Title: Security Idea Post by: TheBitMan on June 18, 2011, 02:19:24 PM We should make a legion (because the police aren't going to help they don't accept Bitcoin as a reality) of hackers like members from Anonymous or LulzSec who fight for the rights of the people! LulzSec also accepts Bitcoin donations so they might fight for us. Just an idea for like a BitcoinPolice force people would need proof of the payment being taken out and then they can talk to the BTCPD (BitcoinPoliceDepartment)
Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: bitbot on June 18, 2011, 02:21:24 PM dont ever post again
Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: Drifter on June 18, 2011, 02:22:08 PM First, fuck Lulzsec. Thinking they fight for the rights of the people is laughable.
Besides that, I agree. There are some good people already looking for exploits, and probably just as many blackhats. We just don't hear much about it. Edit: I don't agree. I thought this was about gathering a group of hackers looking for bitcoin exploits. Carry on Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: TheBitMan on June 18, 2011, 02:24:51 PM dont ever post again This is why they shouldn't let people like you with 17 posts come in here, I stated a good idea and with help from members we can start things, it's people like you who are going to halt the spread of BitcoinTitle: Re: Security Idea Post by: TheBitMan on June 18, 2011, 02:26:04 PM First, fuck Lulzsec. Thinking they fight for the rights of the people is laughable. not a bad idea eitherBesides that, I agree. There are some good people already looking for exploits, and probably just as many blackhats. We just don't hear much about it. Edit: I don't agree. I thought this was about gathering a group of hackers looking for bitcoin exploits. Carry on Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: bitbot on June 18, 2011, 02:31:24 PM you're a moron
Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: bcearl on June 18, 2011, 02:37:38 PM Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: TheBitMan on June 18, 2011, 02:38:10 PM you're a moron ok mr 18 posts ;DTitle: Re: Security Idea Post by: cronopio on June 18, 2011, 02:53:46 PM Some members of Anonymous and Lulzsec are robbing wallets and attacking sites of bitcoin markets.
Do not see how these people can help Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: klaus on June 18, 2011, 03:02:45 PM Some members of Anonymous and Lulzsec are robbing wallets and attacking sites of bitcoin markets. Do not see how these people can help ++ exactly Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: tysat on June 18, 2011, 03:07:49 PM dont ever post again This is why they shouldn't let people like you with 17 posts come in here, I stated a good idea and with help from members we can start things, it's people like you who are going to halt the spread of BitcoinHigh post count does not imply good ideas, the same way low post count does not imply bad ideas. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: joepie91 on June 18, 2011, 09:41:48 PM Some members of Anonymous and Lulzsec are robbing wallets and attacking sites of bitcoin markets. And you are getting this idea where exactly?Do not see how these people can help Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2011, 09:45:52 PM Some members of Anonymous and Lulzsec are robbing wallets and attacking sites of bitcoin markets. And you are getting this idea where exactly?Do not see how these people can help Seriously guys not blaming Anonymous and Lulzsec for that "theft", you're just ridiculous Or bring evidences Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: bcearl on June 18, 2011, 10:15:53 PM Some members of Anonymous and Lulzsec are robbing wallets and attacking sites of bitcoin markets. And you are getting this idea where exactly?Do not see how these people can help Seriously guys not blaming Anonymous and Lulzsec for that "theft", you're just ridiculous Or bring evidences In my opinion, lulzsec is not a real hacker group but some intelligence agency project. Maybe that that's also the case with the OP? The request is so stupid, it could come from CIA. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: MysteryMiner on June 18, 2011, 10:26:52 PM Paranoid idiots. Seriously, what's the goal for CIA is to conduct such acts that LulzSec does? There might be CIA or FBI informant (rat) among them, but they act like teenagers having lulz.
The fact that hackers are after bitcoins means they really have value! People want them, people will spend time to get them (even by hacking), so they are gaining even more momentum. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: bcearl on June 18, 2011, 10:33:07 PM Paranoid idiots. Seriously, what's the goal for CIA is to conduct such acts that LulzSec does? There might be CIA or FBI informant (rat) among them, but they act like teenagers having lulz. The fact that hackers are after bitcoins means they really have value! People want them, people will spend time to get them (even by hacking), so they are gaining even more momentum. You can steal bitcoins only by hacking users. You cannot take over the network in a way that allows you stealing. But you can take over the network in a way that will crush it and make it totally unusable. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: MysteryMiner on June 18, 2011, 10:38:51 PM Paranoid idiots. Seriously, what's the goal for CIA is to conduct such acts that LulzSec does? There might be CIA or FBI informant (rat) among them, but they act like teenagers having lulz. The fact that hackers are after bitcoins means they really have value! People want them, people will spend time to get them (even by hacking), so they are gaining even more momentum. You can steal bitcoins only by hacking users. You cannot take over the network in a way that allows you stealing. But you can take over the network in a way that will crush it and make it totally unusable. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: Jack of Diamonds on June 18, 2011, 10:42:17 PM But you can take over the network in a way that will crush it and make it totally unusable. Not with any known supercomputer in the world, or even multiple of them. Even the Tianhe-1 supercomputer would be pretty crappy for forging, at 7168 S1070 tesla gpu's, it comes to around 1.1 terahash per second, less than 1/8th or 12.5% of the total network power of Bitcoin. And anything faster doesn't even exist at the moment. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: MysteryMiner on June 18, 2011, 10:48:03 PM But you can take over the network in a way that will crush it and make it totally unusable. Not with any known supercomputer in the world, or even multiple of them. Even the Tianhe-1 supercomputer would be pretty crappy for forging, at 7168 S1070 tesla gpu's, it comes to around 1.1 terahash per second, less than 1/8th or 12.5% of the total network power of Bitcoin. And anything faster doesn't even exist at the moment. And NVidia cards are crap. They are handicaped both in games and bitcoin mining.Nvidia are selling rebadged cards for multiple generations in the same time ATI are making new generations of powerfull and cheap cards. In past decade the opposite was true. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: Desu on June 18, 2011, 10:52:00 PM dont ever post again This is why they shouldn't let people like you with 17 posts come in here, I stated a good idea and with help from members we can start things, it's people like you who are going to halt the spread of BitcoinHigh post count does not imply good ideas, the same way low post count does not imply bad ideas. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: bcearl on June 18, 2011, 10:56:57 PM But you can take over the network in a way that will crush it and make it totally unusable. Not with any known supercomputer in the world, or even multiple of them. Even the Tianhe-1 supercomputer would be pretty crappy for forging, at 7168 S1070 tesla gpu's, it comes to around 1.1 terahash per second, less than 1/8th or 12.5% of the total network power of Bitcoin. And anything faster doesn't even exist at the moment. Who says that the attacker must have a single computer? He could have the same setup that the legitimate users have: A bunch of crappy Chinese-build PCs. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: Jack of Diamonds on June 18, 2011, 11:12:24 PM And NVidia cards are crap. Um, no. Almost every supercomputer in the world has an Nvidia GPU or SOC/ASIC and nearly none have Ati GPU's. Check the top 500. http://www.top500.org/ They are also superior in distributed computing programs like protein folding (F@H) or space research such as SETI, having up to 4-10x more performance than the equivalent ATI/AMD card. Businesses, governments, hospitals and research labs don't even use ATI cards for heavy calculations or projections; Nvidia has a practical monopoly with CUDA http://www.gridcomputingplanet.com/news/article.php/3792971/Nvidia-Chips-Power-Grid-Computing-Projects.htm. For Bitcoin mining, ATI are superior though. I have 40+ ATI cards bought for the sole reason of maintaining mining clusters. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: tymothy on June 18, 2011, 11:25:57 PM Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: finack on June 19, 2011, 02:03:55 AM Sociology tip #1: When creating a police force, do not suggest staffing it entirely with ADHD ridden anarchist children whose claim to fame is breaking the law for fun.
Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: Garrett Burgwardt on June 19, 2011, 02:14:45 AM dont ever post again This is why they shouldn't let people like you with 17 posts come in here, I stated a good idea and with help from members we can start things, it's people like you who are going to halt the spread of BitcoinYou want a high post count? Fine. You should stop posting because you don't seem to think things through. You'll save the forum bandwidth and stop making yourself look like a fool. For example, thinking this through more, you're suggesting a mercenary group of hackers to try and reclaim stolen bitcoins. This is in my opinion a ridiculous idea, due to the nature of bitcoin, but at least then it would have sounded better. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: Chick on June 19, 2011, 06:15:30 AM Yeah, go and weep back into your several other accounts.
Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: allinvain on June 19, 2011, 08:21:46 AM Some members of Anonymous and Lulzsec are robbing wallets and attacking sites of bitcoin markets. Do not see how these people can help All I gotta say is this: http://pastebin.com/88nGp508 permit me to quote: "BitCoin donations: 1KPTdMb6p7H3YCwsyFqrEmKGmsHqe1Q3jg" Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: wegotpickles on June 19, 2011, 11:07:23 AM BTClottery.info's idea is a tad silly for reasons already stated, but there is an opportunity in that same general direction.
A "police force" is out of the question as they would have no legal authority and would thus any enforcement would be operating outside the law, but what about private detectives? Cyber sleuths that would specialize in tracing bitcoin transactions to a physical identity so that the justice could be handled by the local authorities. Granted this has some road blocks. It isn't very hard to cover your trail well enough to escape being traced, and because bitcoin knows no barriers, political or geographic, there is a good chance that the criminal may exist outside of your local authorities jurisdiction. Its also not likely many police agencies would take your claim seriously. I think this problem will solve itself with time, but currently i think the best you could hope for would be a civil suit. I'm not proposing any sort of centralized service, force, or agency, I'm just suggesting that there may be an opportunity for those of you who fancy yourselves computer forensics. Given you will likely only be able to trace a small number of under-informed individuals, perhaps you should charge a small fee upfront, then another larger fee should the person actually be found. Just a thought. Still a bit silly, but getting better. Title: Re: Security Idea Post by: joepie91 on June 19, 2011, 12:22:40 PM Some members of Anonymous and Lulzsec are robbing wallets and attacking sites of bitcoin markets. Do not see how these people can help All I gotta say is this: http://pastebin.com/88nGp508 permit me to quote: "BitCoin donations: 1KPTdMb6p7H3YCwsyFqrEmKGmsHqe1Q3jg" |