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Don't know why these casinos won't pull betsoft games. Here is a youtube video of a betsoft game being proven rigged!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhalYzlNCh8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhalYzlNCh8)

Because they profit from these rigged games, get a higher commission and or can rent the software anonymous?

Anonymous operators = can easily defraud their customers!

Ask the betcoin.ag scam why they continue to use Betsoft software, even though Betsoft allegedly did not pay the crystal clear won 500 Bitcoins jackpot?

Betsoft scam gaming software (https://game-protect.com/betsoft-scam/)

The video is 6 years old, I am sure they would have fixed those kind of things by now .But if anyone is playing on a non-provably fair casino, then it can be assumed it is rigged. Never been a fan of betsoft myself, but proving or not proving that they are rigged does not change anyone's decision of not playing there. They should be avoided. period.

Yes, need play with provably fair system and trusted casino.
If casino dont use provably fair they can change result of bet..

You can never be sure if the casino is actually provably fair.A lot happens under the hood,software programmers are smart enough to hide the real deal within the sea of code.Records prove,even verified provable fair bets those were seen as of the screen were still manipulated.And the golden rule,house always wins.

Well, it is fair to be skeptical about all that. I agree casinos can pull different tricks to scam the users. So each individual should be responsible about researching properly and making sure he isn't fooled. If you are worried about this, then physical casinos are where you should be heading.

Research ? I've come across bitcoin casino related blogs which mainly promote only scam sites hidden inside a mystery box of free bets.Not every gambler is aware of the consequences they'll be dealing with unless they're a target themselves.Most of the time such warnings are ignored.I don't really wanet to get there but who said physical casinos are 100% fair ? Not true.

Brick and mortar casinos are not necessarily 100% fair too.

Maybe in the biggest licensed casinos you will find fair games, but I heard that in the smaller local casinos, house can cheat you pretty hard.

For example, they can install magnets in a roulette wheel and manipulate the outcome of the game.

More info: https://www.roulettephysics.com/casino-roulette-wheel-magnets/ (https://www.roulettephysics.com/casino-roulette-wheel-magnets/)

Lol who the fuck would ever bet at a small unlicensed casino? Obviously it would be rigged. That's why it's unlicensed. Hurpadurpadurp!?

@OP this is very old news. Just don't bet on betsoft games.

In my opinion it is pretty boring in playing something like this, keno or something, it is a kind of a lottery that let's you pick up numbers that might hit the correct corresponding numbers that you had pick, but in actual reality even if it is rigged, you can surely lose a lot because of this RNG nature of a game and not a sophisticated free BTC for sure, but it is up to you if you want to try it.

Sure, they can tilt the game. But its mostly in numbers and not on things like red-black betting. It is because, they can only modify tilted tables before starting, say if a high roller is repeatedly betting on black.

It is usually very rare to see such tilted tables in real life.

Sorry but as far as I'm concerned playing at their casino for a day won't give you enough data to see if it's really "rigged" or not. I know it's possible for a casino to rig games but it wouldn't make any economic sense. They make enough money having a certain vig set on the games. I supposed it is rigged that in the long run the casino always wins.

WTF are you talking about? Who cares if you like keno or not. The point is BETSOFT is known for rigging their games. WTH do RNG nature of the game got to do with it? Pay attention to the topic!

Apparently you didn't watch the video. Why comment on something if you have not watched it. Clearly the video shows the game as being rigged!

Well I though he is trying to advertise it? well I think he doesn't properly put what he is trying to say and just put that video here, that is why I think he is doing an advertisement for the casino, And I don't really think it is Rigged, for the person on the video he just pick a random numbers but it is 1 to 5 and he just played a couple of times on the video, I think that is how gambling site works, by saying RNG you can surely not win in an instant because the risk is too high for this kind of a game.

I feel the more the uprooting of a video of 6 years ago as someone has rightly noted, the more popularity the site is getting because of my stay here, I have not even heard about the site before. Aside that, we have several sites on the forum in which anyone willing to try his luck or chance as the case maybe can give a trial without being sceptical about whether they are fair or not because they have stand the test of time rather than bothering on one site that I never knew existed.

You would be surprised how many people does enjoy this kind of establishments.

1. Unlicensed casinos are no asking about your money. They don't ask you to pay taxes or inform IRS either.
2. It might be the only casino-like service in your vicinity.
3. In some countries gambling is totally forbidden, (Bangladesh, Pakistan, UEA, Korea, and many many more) so there are no official casinos.
   For example, AFAIK in Malaysia - There is only one casino where gambling is allowed.

Guys, if you are looking for proof of "not rigged" there are few known casinos that will help you gladly. For example: Betvoyager(nobtc)  You can check sum results which are encyrpted after every game round. The sum will show you  generated  chosen numbers before game  round starts. You can use whatever strategy, tactic,trick without feel rigged. That's very big + for your confidence 8)

OMG!
they can use magnets..

I have good idea, create electrical magnets for winnings  ;D after bet.. need "ON" and choose result for wins.
this is cool device for gamblers

wow, I did not expect that. I really hope that everything is fixed by now, but it definitely affects my trust on casino games.
I never see the point in rigging games since they should already have a guaranteed profit in the long term, but i will definitely start searching for provably fair games only.

Yup , that is a risk unfortunately. Some games are possible to rig for a casino, and some are not. At the end its upto you as a player to figure that out for yourself. But in general, a physical casino has a lesser probability to be scamming than online casinos.

Because they profit from this kind of games! If they continue to profit they won't even complain or even lift a finger. They might even know it themselves and they are just playing dumb about it since they know it's a profit generating machine regardless of it being a scam.

And how would you be able to figure out if a casino is scamming? Not eveyone is able to gather data and calculate whether with RNG is fair or not...
Online casino's have regulations as well, so I wouldn't automatically say that you're more prone to being scammed in a physical casino than in a regulated online one.

Yeah, the normal gambler for sure will not even care about the fairness of the game. Heck, if they see a sign that it is provably fair or something in those lines they will immediately pass that as true. 99% of the gamblers are not knowledgeable in checking whether the games are really fair.

This is why I don't like slots. You can't prove anything. I don't know why people still play with betsoft. How can betsoft still be operating that's what I want to know. I thought it was regulated.


This always amazes me. Yet they still play. I thought people would care more about their bitcoins then that.

This usually depends on you and the knowledge you have in the ways things can be rigged. But again like I said it is mostly just a risk in small scale casinos. Bigger casinos would almost never involve themselves in such practices, because say if you are betting at a casino in Vegas and they get caught, then its probably over for them.

The video is too old to decide whether they have fixed this issue or not. Casino's will get more commission from them as they'll get more by scamming gamblers. It's an old trick by many gaming companies to earn more.

I see a few gaming sites that will go online this year that uses blockchain transparency to validate results.  When they become more popular, the old school online sites will need to change the way they do business or lose a big percentage of marketshare.

Marketing their product is an important part of a successful business, and when these new sites go online then all these black box casinos will fall to the wayside.

Yes they sre rigged and I'm not sure why they still around. Nothing can be done ? Certain places still use them to this day.
But if they scam why do people use those slots ? Slots cannot be proven anyway and are a bad way to gamble. How I feel anyway.