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Why Tesla's Solar Roof Is Just Another Giant Taxpayer Gift To Elon Musk (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/217976-2017-05-12-why-teslas-solar-roof-is-just-another-giant-taxpayer-gift.htm)


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20 years is quite a long time for ROI. Are the panels even working up to that point? How long to these last anyway?

Assuming it will remain functional long enough to to get ROI and then some, in most of the countries that could get the most benefit out of this, people may be too poor to afford it. Not to mention it's still glass. The occasional hurricane could rip this right of your head. Even in desert, all the sandstorm could eventually etch the clarity away from the glass. Just look at cars in Saudi left unprotected during sandstorms.

Musk was the golden boy of the Obama administration. Their role model for the world on how we should all go green or feel ashamed if we don't own an ultra expensive Tesla car. All of this while behind the curtains nothing was being done to combat the growing global warming or the inevitable energy crisis, that awaits us after the petrol runs out.

So all in all this is quite typical. They give people a "discount" on their taxes, Musk does plenty of business, and the only loser is the budget. Meaning all of us.

Always the most difficult stage in any project is to design and build the first prototype. When the product gets into production, its price is constantly decreasing. If you move a solar roof in a third country it is possible to achieve a significant reduction in production costs. I believe that in the future everyone will have such roofs.

Don't worry. Global warming will melt the polar ice caps, and put so much moisture in the atmosphere that we won't have sand storms any longer. Then all we'll have to worry about is rust.

 ;D

Well in that case, I expect future me to be heavily moisturized on a daily basis - Haiyan-level typhoons might become very common, LOL. But seriously,  the climate would just be more extreme. I think only Russia, Canada and the Nordic countries could possibly get any benefit from a warmer Earth (unless of course it severely affect ocean current and we get cooling a la Day After Tomorrow). Everyone else would just be fucked up.

If they'll really proceed with this, I hope they'll improve it more. Also, the design of the house should take into consideration that the roof is solar. The house using the textured model shouldn't have that fancy roof design. What's the point of using solar panels on that corner spot if it will be shaded anyway?

Moisture in the air would reflect the sun's excess heat, while helping to distribute the heat in the atmosphere evenly around the globe. Up with global warming.

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Charging cars near Home is a bad idea (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1846031.0).

I believe I heard someone say that the reason government gives these perk is because people need jobs to live. Obviously the government can't employ everyone so they give incentives to business owners to entice people to set up businesses. So though the government lose some potential income, people who do get employed earn money for spending.

Whether that's actually good for everyone would be debatable but I believe America have a lower unemployment rate than my country.

I'm not sure about that sir. High altitude clouds tend to trap heat rather than reflect light back compared to low altitude clouds. With the air near the surface becoming warmer, clouds would be forming at much higher latitudes. Would suck for desert dwellers. Some deserts tend to be so hot, rain don't even make it to the ground. Now imagine if the rain would have to fall from much higher.

Yes, but. As Mometaskers said two posts up, that would make more jobs so that government would have an easier job of bringing down unemployment.

 ;D

My neighbors have 5 years in the yard should charge for their electric car. During all this time no problems. I read your posts about the fire of electric vehicles. I think that you too exaggerate. This is not a problem, as all these cases proishodjat for breach of conditions.

Well i dont think renewable energy have a problem with shortcuts or fired, i dont think the material of the roofs are flamable i dont know for sure.

LOL, burning a $ 100. 000. car is a problem, and pictures of such cases are pictures, not Your non confirmed words.


You need not thinking, this is a base property of such batteries, specially if there are low temperatures of vibrations/shock hurts.

My first thought would be the wiring. THink about it you have all the wiring for the panels go below it, so between the panels and the insulation. If a wire gets loose or damaged by critters you'll get a spark and can have a nice bonfire above your head. I'm sure the quality will be decent, but we're talking about 20+ years to ROI, so the panels are made to survive much longer, like 30+ years. A lot can happen in such a long period of time.

Lightning can destroy it at 100% easily, and it need not to hit directly.

I wouldn't worry about that. Many houses have big trees nearby and if you're planing a solar roof you can make sure your neighbor's roof is higher. Lightning usually hits the highest spot, that's why people build these things:
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The wear of the panels after 20 years is what I'd be more worried about.

The problem is in burned out circuits even if panels are not hitted directly.

Hahaha. Gonna keep consumerism going!  ;D If they don't need to replace it, they won't and they won't buy replacement.  ;D

LOL, are you suggesting we start burning houses too?  ;D Oh well, if windows don't get broken....   ;D

Yup, me too. I mean, it better last for up to 40 years if I were to consider it. I don't believe it'll last that long though. I don't even think it'll last 25.

IMHO, I'd rather have solar plants supply me electricity than install my own solar panels. I've seen plants that use mirrors instead of expensive panels, the only thing they're trying to improve is energy storage.

In climates such as Canada we have hot summers and cold winters. I don't see these things lasting long under those conditions. Certainly not infinity and 20 years is a stretch. I think there would be a high amount of failures after 5-10 years.

Perhaps the solar panels should be used in conjunction with wind generators. Now have design wind turbines that operate not from the wind, and from air currents that go from the ground up. So they turn in any weather.

Yup. Only one method might not be enough to generate all the electricity needed. I saw some vids of people generating electricity from urine. It's still in the testing stage, I believe. You can have some panels and turbines outside your house, and then one of these things attached to your toilet. Of course this would require you to pee and poop separately. Guys probably will contribute less since we pee in the shower.  ;D

Nothing to worry about. The water from the shower can also be collected. I actually saw that somewhere in India of outdoor toilet clean all the liquid and then drink and the residue of the produce gas and bioethanol. Imagine what future awaits us.

Of course Ellon Musk will greatly benefit the project since the company will make sure to make Ellon Musk happy when their sales are increasing. But those innovations were of course will greatly benefit America in the long run and it is a good move towards sustainable energy using solar power. This will lessen the use of coal and nuclear plants in producing electricity and it is very environmentally friendly.

The problem with wind generators is that they don't work in many places. If you live in lowlands or surrounded by high trees you won't get enough wind to justify the cost of a generator. You'd have to build a very high mast or a tower to put it on. I've seen generators attached to balloons that can work in such conditions, but those might work like lightning beacons :D You'd have to remember to reel it in before a storm.

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Tesla and Space X has always received funding from the United States treasury through unfair means such as lobbying. They have also tried to sabotage their rival companies by bullying through senators such as John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who are on their pay list.

Are they only referring to the people wbo lives in US? Hmm i was always thinking if tesla company would outsource their product to hot surface countries i think that we could easy get vack our ROI IMO tho

There are turbines which are powered by air currents which are due to the difference in temperature of air and earth. They revolve constantly in any weather. I just don't know how much power they produce. If you ask for it to provide the house with free electricity is possible, but very high cost of equipment and therefore no one wants to do that.

The roofing looks very good and I think buyers should consider if they plan on staying at one place for a long time so that they can enjoy the benefits of the roofs paying for itself through out the years.

Yet in Musk I trust!

If only he could take over for Trump.

He knows that he would never make it. That's why he didn't run. Trump is the best. However, in this case, the best isn't very good.

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