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Title: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: charleshoskinson on April 30, 2013, 06:19:44 AM
In an attempt to preserve the history of bitcoin, I am trying to archive Satoshi's correspondence with members of this forum. I've created an email address:

satoshiarchive@gmail.com

If satoshi ever emailed you about Bitcoin or anything else you feel comfortable sharing, then please send a copy to the above address. I assume you verified his identity :)

Thanks everyone for being part of history. You guys moved mountains.

Please note that your correspondence will become part of the open domain and will be eventually published in a format similar to a searchable wiki or in lectures for our crowdsourced course.

If there is anything that you would like omitted from the archiving process, then please encase the text in <OMIT>,</OMIT> tags.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: jubalix on April 30, 2013, 11:47:30 AM
In an attempt to preserve the history of bitcoin, I am trying to archive Satoshi's correspondence with members of this forum. I've created an email address:

satoshiarchive@gmail.com

If satoshi ever emailed you about Bitcoin or anything else you feel comfortable sharing, then please send a copy to the above address. I assume you verified his identity :)

Thanks everyone for being part of history. You guys moved mountains.

Please note that your correspondence will become part of the open domain and will be eventually published in a format similar to a searchable wiki or in lectures for our crowdsourced course.

If there is anything that you would like omitted from the archiving process, then please encase the text in <OMIT>,</OMIT> tags.

perhaps collect all his linked threads in one thread


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: proudhon on April 30, 2013, 12:01:19 PM
I think it'd be interesting to get all of Satoshi's known writings and archive them in one location in chronological order.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: Gabi on April 30, 2013, 12:06:23 PM
It would be a good idea to backup and archive this whole forum, since the beginning. History of bitcoin is here. This forum contains the information about how a new currency has born and gained value from 0


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: miningdude on April 30, 2013, 12:54:22 PM
Once his writings have been collected, it would be neat for someone to distill the best parts into a book covering the history of bitcoin (maybe team up with a professional writer?). I would definitely find it an interesting read. I have a feeling we will look back on Satoshi and bitcoin in the same way we look back at the start of the world wide web and Tim Berners-Lee or Linux and Linus Torvalds. Truly a fascinating development in the history of the information age.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: btcmind on April 30, 2013, 01:21:55 PM
Good idea. I assume that's the first one.. how about uploading a torrent somewhere, so it won't get lost?

What I find fascinating is that this was released 6 weeks after the GFC08 hit. Although "I had to write all the code before I could convince myself that I could solve every problem, then I wrote the paper. " "I believe I've worked through all those little details over the
last year and a half while coding it, and there were a lot of them."



Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:16:33 -0700

http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg09959.html

Satoshi Nakamoto Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:16:33 -0700

I've been working on a new electronic cash system that's fully
peer-to-peer, with no trusted third party.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: btcmind on April 30, 2013, 01:36:15 PM
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I would be surprised if 10 years from now we're not using
electronic currency in some way, now that we know a way to do it
that won't inevitably get dumbed down when the trusted third party
gets cold feet.

It might make sense just to get some in case it catches on.  If
enough people think the same way, that becomes a self fulfilling
prophecy.  Once it gets bootstrapped, there are so many
applications if you could effortlessly pay a few cents to a
website as easily as dropping coins in a vending machine. 


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: btcmind on April 30, 2013, 01:37:36 PM
Once his writings have been collected, it would be neat for someone to distill the best parts into a book covering the history of bitcoin (maybe team up with a professional writer?). I would definitely find it an interesting read. I have a feeling we will look back on Satoshi and bitcoin in the same way we look back at the start of the world wide web and Tim Berners-Lee or Linux and Linus Torvalds. Truly a fascinating development in the history of the information age.

Started very recently http://first-website.web.cern.ch/


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on April 30, 2013, 05:17:54 PM
I think it'd be interesting to get all of Satoshi's known writings and archive them in one location in chronological order.

I know, the first words will be:

Quote
Genesis Block 1:1

In the beginning Satoshi created Bitcoin and the blockchain...


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: charleshoskinson on April 30, 2013, 05:23:56 PM
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I think it'd be interesting to get all of Satoshi's known writings and archive them in one location in chronological order.

I know, the first words will be:

Quote
Genesis Block 1:1

In the beginning Satoshi created Bitcoin and the blockchain...

LOL

I've been writing a web scraper for bitcointalk to pull out all of satsohi's 500 or some posts, but I obviously can't get access to emails, which I suspect the real meat exists. I'll repost this thread every week to keep people aware of the effort and when our webpage is up, we'll have a section for Satoshi.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on April 30, 2013, 05:55:32 PM
I've been writing a web scraper for bitcointalk to pull out all of satsohi's 500 or some posts, but I obviously can't get access to emails, which I suspect the real meat exists. I'll repost this thread every week to keep people aware of the effort and when our webpage is up, we'll have a section for Satoshi.

Don't forget that some of his posts are in the area reachable only with extended privileges (like mods and admins).


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: charleshoskinson on April 30, 2013, 06:11:38 PM
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Don't forget that some of his posts are in the area reachable only with extended privileges (like mods and admins)

Which is why I'm making this very public. I really would like a child board for the history of bitcoin. We could collectively could run it and make a serious effort to ensure the history isn't lost.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on April 30, 2013, 06:19:58 PM
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Don't forget that some of his posts are in the area reachable only with extended privileges (like mods and admins)

Which is why I'm making this very public. I really would like a child board for the history of bitcoin. We could collectively could run it and make a serious effort to ensure the history isn't lost.

We should embed it into the blockchain!


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: kokjo on April 30, 2013, 06:21:13 PM
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Don't forget that some of his posts are in the area reachable only with extended privileges (like mods and admins)

Which is why I'm making this very public. I really would like a child board for the history of bitcoin. We could collectively could run it and make a serious effort to ensure the history isn't lost.

We should embed it into the blockchain!
fuck you!


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on April 30, 2013, 06:22:35 PM
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Don't forget that some of his posts are in the area reachable only with extended privileges (like mods and admins)

Which is why I'm making this very public. I really would like a child board for the history of bitcoin. We could collectively could run it and make a serious effort to ensure the history isn't lost.

We should embed it into the blockchain!
fuck you!

U have just made history! Ur words will be embedded too.  ;D


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: SmokeTooMuch on May 01, 2013, 12:23:10 AM
Unfortunately I don't have anything to contribute.
I'm one of the oldest members of this board and actually had the chance to communicate with Satoshi, but all this communication was via forum posts.

If you want to know more about what kind of a person he was (and propably still is) and what his ideals and ideas for bitcoin have been, I recommend to read his forum posts, beginning with the oldest:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts;start=520 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts;start=520)
(don't expect any personal stuff, it's mostly dev talk, but you see what he thought bitcoin should be like)


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: charleshoskinson on May 01, 2013, 12:42:21 AM
Thank you for this. Smoke PM me. I'd like to have a convo about the history of bitcoin. You've been here a long time so I figure you probably have a few things to say.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on May 01, 2013, 06:14:05 AM
There was an elder forum on bitcoin.org. At least there are references to it in Satoshi's posts.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: kokjo on May 01, 2013, 06:46:59 AM
There was an elder forum on bitcoin.org. At least there are references to it in Satoshi's posts.
i think that forum moved, with all its posts and stuff, from bitcoin.org to bitcointalk.org.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: willphase on May 01, 2013, 07:47:04 AM
this is a really good idea.  It would be good to have a website with keyword tags then you could instantly search for what satoshi thought about <topic> and hyperlink all the different topics (like hashtags)

You might want to independently email some of the devs - or post on the bitcoin-dev mailing list, but probably a good idea to try and prototype the hosting system to demonstrate you're serious about this.

Will


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: Este Nuno on May 01, 2013, 03:55:09 PM
Unfortunately I don't have anything to contribute.
I'm one of the oldest members of this board and actually had the chance to communicate with Satoshi, but all this communication was via forum posts.

If you want to know more about what kind of a person he was (and propably still is) and what his ideals and ideas for bitcoin have been, I recommend to read his forum posts, beginning with the oldest:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts;start=520 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts;start=520)
(don't expect any personal stuff, it's mostly dev talk, but you see what he thought bitcoin should be like)


Wow, 2009. You are not kidding!

How did you find out about bitcoin so early?


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: charleshoskinson on May 01, 2013, 04:03:25 PM
This is why I've started the conversation. There is a lot of history floating around these boards. I'm sorry they won't give me a child board to archive it, but I guess you have to work with what you have been given.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: SmokeTooMuch on May 02, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
There was an elder forum on bitcoin.org. At least there are references to it in Satoshi's posts.
i think that forum moved, with all its posts and stuff, from bitcoin.org to bitcointalk.org.
This is correct.

Wow, 2009. You are not kidding!

How did you find out about bitcoin so early?
To be honest, I don't know anymore. I think I was really into decentralized encrypted p2p file sharing networks at this point and was looking for less restrictive (more underground :P) payment processors, because, let's be honest, paypal is very convenient, but it's politics suck hard.

EDIT: oh, and I was totally anti-authoritarian at this point, informed myself about alternative political directions and so on, so the whole idea of peoples money and not state money fit pretty well into that.

Thank you for this. Smoke PM me. I'd like to have a convo about the history of bitcoin. You've been here a long time so I figure you probably have a few things to say.
pm sent.

BTW: I guess I was in fact the first German bitcoin user. At least I haven't met any German bitcoiner who was in the game before me. Can anyone confirm/disprove that?



Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: gwern on June 21, 2014, 10:16:13 PM
Please note that your correspondence will become part of the open domain and will be eventually published in a format similar to a searchable wiki or in lectures for our crowdsourced course.

Any update on this? It's been over a year since you requested the emails, promising to post them publicly.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: KonstantinosM on June 21, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
I want to see any such work. Send me a PM if you have something.

I only learned about Bitcoin a while after its conception.

Be careful not to publish anything that may reveal his identity, that would be a dick move.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: bg002h on June 22, 2014, 02:17:11 AM
Charles got busy with other things. Pierre Rochard et al set this up: http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org

It has all Satoshi's writings.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: mkc on June 22, 2014, 06:10:26 AM
Are you trying to do a bitcoin bible. collecting all the words from the founder. I think it is a good idea. Eventually bitcoin will become a religion.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: gwern on June 22, 2014, 03:32:49 PM
Charles got busy with other things. Pierre Rochard et al set this up: http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org

That doesn't have the emails Hoskinson collected, and how much time does it take to hand them over to someone who isn't 'busy with other things'?


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: knightcoin on June 22, 2014, 03:47:56 PM
Charles got busy with other things. Pierre Rochard et al set this up: http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org

It has all Satoshi's writings.

the most interesting thing is "The Code" The vision distilled. (Coming soon.) ... but now came to my mind that it also could be a starting point script for a movie or documentary ...

My idea for a script ( sorry I was addicted player on ZXspectrum text based games )
if was a movie ...

""could start with a personage who was fired from wall street banker after 2008 crash and he accidentally find bitcoin project""

 ;D  


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: bg002h on June 22, 2014, 04:35:49 PM
Charles got busy with other things. Pierre Rochard et al set this up: http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org

That doesn't have the emails Hoskinson collected, and how much time does it take to hand them over to someone who isn't 'busy with other things'?

Are you volunteering? Go do some work and prove yourself worth listening to. There was little interest in the project when Charles started it (ICYMI).


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: gwern on June 22, 2014, 04:39:26 PM
Are you volunteering?

Absolutely. Hand me what was collected and I will happily format them and host them on my own site - as I have already done for Wei Dai.

Go do some work and prove yourself worth listening to.

Wow, how condescending.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: bg002h on June 22, 2014, 06:10:07 PM
Are you volunteering?

Absolutely. Hand me what was collected and I will happily format them and host them on my own site - as I have already done for Wei Dai.

Go do some work and prove yourself worth listening to.

Wow, how condescending.

Yes. It is condescending.

If you really want to contribute, you go and do something. Hint: start with a PM to OP instead of whining about "and how much time does it take to hand them over to someone who isn't 'busy with other things'?"


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: gwern on June 22, 2014, 08:36:14 PM
Yes. It is condescending.

If you really want to contribute, you go and do something.

What makes you think I don't do things? I do a great many things involving the black-markets. Maybe you should try doing the whole 'not being a condescending git' thing. BTW, nice goal-post moving: you challenged me to volunteer, I did, I pointed out also previous work I've done in this vein, and now you're telling me that if I *really* want to contribute...? Whatever, man.

Hint: start with a PM to OP instead of whining about "and how much time does it take to hand them over to someone who isn't 'busy with other things'?"

A PM is no better than a public request for an update, and is a more efficient use of Hoskinson's time: instead of answering PM by PM, he can just comment here and everyone can see it. You're the one saying he's busy, shouldn't you care more about efficient use of his time? I'm fascinated by how you insist on making this about me, rather than about Hoskinson; very odd...


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: InwardContour on June 22, 2014, 10:46:34 PM
I would assume that many people would troll and forge email correspondence with Satoshi making emails between most people and Satochi questionable with very few exceptions.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: MX450 on June 23, 2014, 12:59:53 AM
Let the man be anonymous.


Title: Re: Help me Archive Satoshi's Emails
Post by: Riniaiokl on June 23, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
Oh you doing a great job. Best wishes, man!