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Economy => Economics => Topic started by: imperi on June 19, 2011, 01:40:38 AM



Title: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: imperi on June 19, 2011, 01:40:38 AM
I thought Bitcoins were supposed to go down on the weekend? It just hit 18 at this moment.

Resident Bitcoin economists, philosophers, and speculators, please explain! Doesn't this run contrary to Bitcoin theory? Also, didn't Edward50 predict Bitcoins would drop to 8 - 10?


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: evoorhees on June 19, 2011, 01:55:22 AM
I think society has been so far removed from open markets that it doesn't understand how they work.

If all traders expect the price to fall on the weekend, they will sell earlier, and buy into the weekend. This will push the dip earlier in time, and in the long run will level it off and make it disappear completely.

This is a great example of how "evil speculators" actually make markets more efficient and smooth out the variance. The physical constriction of MtGox wire limits, and weekend bank issues, is being smoothed over by speculators who are each trying to profit on that known constriction.

Markets FTW


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: soades on June 19, 2011, 02:07:32 AM
Lots of trading & buying occurring. good for the coins


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: BookofNick on June 19, 2011, 02:28:56 AM
I think society has been so far removed from open markets that it doesn't understand how they work.

If all traders expect the price to fall on the weekend, they will sell earlier, and buy into the weekend. This will push the dip earlier in time, and in the long run will level it off and make it disappear completely.

This is a great example of how "evil speculators" actually make markets more efficient and smooth out the variance. The physical constriction of MtGox wire limits, and weekend bank issues, is being smoothed over by speculators who are each trying to profit on that known constriction.

Markets FTW

Good point, we all need to be reminded that the free market is a wild but somehow logical beast. It's hard for people (including me) to understand how free markets work, as there have been very few examples in the past hundred years or so.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Jaime Frontero on June 19, 2011, 02:31:37 AM
I thought Bitcoins were supposed to go down on the weekend? It just hit 18 at this moment.

Resident Bitcoin economists, philosophers, and speculators, please explain! Doesn't this run contrary to Bitcoin theory? Also, didn't Edward50 predict Bitcoins would drop to 8 - 10?

those "economists, philosophers, and speculators" would all appear to believe that past statistics are a valid predictor of future performance.

...just like every wall street tout with a $400/year signal sheet.

and the only people who make money - if that's their goal - are the ones who don't listen, and go their own way.

me... i want a viable alternate economy.  i'm sick of having my money screwed with.  and if i make some dough along the way, that's fine.  but mostly i want to be able to pay for the things i want without a bunch of different hands in my pockets.

i mean, thanks - but i can juggle my own balls...

YMMV


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: datguywhowanders on June 19, 2011, 03:28:33 AM
i mean, thanks - but i can juggle my own balls...

Thank you for that. I needed a laugh ;)


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: bcpokey on June 19, 2011, 03:41:59 AM
Glad someone made this topic, for the responses it has gotten. I mean, really, "lets all wait for the weekend price dip!" makes no sense. This is more or less a zero sum game, not everyone can be a winner, so no known trends can be sustained.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: d.james on June 19, 2011, 04:22:31 AM
It's the WeekEnd rally now!


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: nemo on June 19, 2011, 08:33:21 AM
Everyone expected rock, so we threw paper.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Grinder on June 19, 2011, 09:21:50 AM
I thought Bitcoins were supposed to go down on the weekend? It just hit 18 at this moment.
It often doesn't, but when people have decided they have found a pattern, they put a higher weight on the data that supports their view than the data that doesn't. This time I suspect so many amature speculators sold their bitcoins on Thursday/Friday to be ready for the "weekend dip" that it pushed the price down. When the weekend came there were few sellers left and lots of people with dollars, which pushes the price up.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Vladimir on June 19, 2011, 12:15:04 PM
i mean, thanks - but i can juggle my own balls...

lol, nice one


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Grant on June 19, 2011, 12:18:25 PM
I thought Bitcoins were supposed to go down on the weekend? It just hit 18 at this moment.


Its not how it works... You'll fail to time the weekends if you use the gregorian calendar.

You need to use BitCalendar, the new p2p decentralized calendar that turns out to be 1000% more precise than the mayan one :)

2 weeks ago the weekend was on Friday,
last week the weekend started on Thursday,
and obviously this week it started on Wednesday (when we had a little low activity and even some correction).

If this trend continues next weekend starts on tuesday.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: bitbot on June 19, 2011, 12:47:14 PM
there should be an increase in price on Monday to around 19-20$ so I recommend everyone buy now while it's still in the low 17's


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: dinzy on June 19, 2011, 05:30:00 PM
It just tanked.  All my lower priced orders got filled.  Oops.  Or Hooray.  Whatever this is fun


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: padrino on June 19, 2011, 05:31:56 PM
I guess Mt Gox just executed (well currently executing) the largest sell order they've ever had.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Babylon on June 19, 2011, 05:33:22 PM
I guess Mt Gox just executed (well currently executing) the largest sell order they've ever had.

MTGox really needs to change the way they display depth of market.  It looks like there are no bids whatsoever.  I know this is not the case since I have some lower than the market that are not being displayed.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: dev^ on June 19, 2011, 05:33:58 PM
I guess Mt Gox just executed (well currently executing) the largest sell order they've ever had.

If my tool is right, there are 33K BTC left on Mt. Gox... for 0.0 ;D


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: padrino on June 19, 2011, 05:36:01 PM
I guess Mt Gox just executed (well currently executing) the largest sell order they've ever had.

If my tool is right, there are 33K BTC left on Mt. Gox... for 0.0 ;D

Your tool? How would you catch that using their API if the trade is still executing?


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: dev^ on June 19, 2011, 05:38:21 PM
Your tool? How would you catch that using their API if the trade is still executing?

It's listening to the Websocket stream, which still sends market depth informations.
But... I don't know what I should think about it. -> http://img24.dreamies.de/img/827/b/k5wp9ekfeqb.gif


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: TurboK on June 19, 2011, 05:38:42 PM
Holy shit, yeah, someone is selling at least 7000 right now. Crazy.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: dev^ on June 19, 2011, 05:40:02 PM
Holy shit, yeah, someone is selling at least 7000 right now. Crazy.

"Stop loss" trades aren't friend when some market crashes  :-\


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: tsvekric on June 19, 2011, 05:40:22 PM
more than that.  5000 just in one transaction of many


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: padrino on June 19, 2011, 05:40:27 PM
Your tool? How would you catch that using their API if the trade is still executing?

It's listening to the Websocket stream, which still sends market depth informations.
But... I don't know what I should think about it. -> http://img24.dreamies.de/img/827/b/k5wp9ekfeqb.gif

Ohh cool, I'm using it too however I am not seeing anything at all in the Buy column..


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Babylon on June 19, 2011, 05:43:13 PM
I keep trying to buy, but it wont let me because that huge trade is still happening


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Bit_Happy on June 19, 2011, 05:43:32 PM
MtGox is FUBAR again:"Another trade is still in progress, please retry in a few seconds"  


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: tsvekric on June 19, 2011, 05:44:06 PM
yeah, if anyone would like to help me get some MtGox $ right now I would be forever grateful  ;D


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Babylon on June 19, 2011, 05:47:15 PM
yeah, if anyone would like to help me get some MtGox $ right now I would be forever grateful  ;D

Wouldn't do you any good, you can't spend them


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Prze_koles on June 19, 2011, 05:47:30 PM
someone just sold almost 100k BTC, nice.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Schleicher on June 19, 2011, 05:50:07 PM
Lol
Last Price: 17.51
High:18.8766
Low: 1
Volume: 214621


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: tsvekric on June 19, 2011, 05:51:35 PM
I'm starting to think MtGox got hacked or something.  The person sold as much as possible including 11,000 BTC for 10 CENTS each


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: [Coins!] on June 19, 2011, 05:54:55 PM
I'm starting to think MtGox got hacked or something.  The person sold as much as possible including 11,000 BTC for 10 CENTS each

Oh wow >.<


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: TurboK on June 19, 2011, 05:58:59 PM
No hacking, some guy just sold that stolen 250k btc.

Man, if mtgox wouldn't crap out nonstop, I could've gotten a piece of that pie. Had enough credit to buy 2500 btc, if the transfer would've gotten though.


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: Schleicher on June 19, 2011, 05:59:49 PM
Volume is up to 545367


Title: Re: What happened to the weekend slump?
Post by: dserrano5 on June 19, 2011, 06:26:00 PM
No hacking, some guy just sold that stolen 250k btc.

That was 25k, not enough for this.