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Greetings,

I was sitting here this afternoon looking at buying another setup of components for my new build. But then I came over news about the AMD Vega that is around the corner.
Now I know that there isn't really much information about the Vega so far. But does anyone of you have any clue about how good the Vega will be ?

It will probably be quite expensive compared to the 5xx series and 4xx series. I don't really see it giving anything above 40Mh/s mining ethereum and nowhere below 200watt if that would be the case. That means it has to be about 300$ to be worth the wait?

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't it be best to stick with the 570 for now ? or do you think I should wait untill they release the Vega ?

TL;DR  Is the vega worth the wait over the 5xx series ?

as always be diverse if possible.

2 builds  one of 570's and one of vega  could be a better choice.

look into this motherboard

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145007

it allows  1,2,3,4 card builds 

2 card with no risers.

The price point for Vega is rumored at 499/599$.

Now unless one card hashes ETH at 50Mh/s, so let's say, what 2 RX4xx/5xx can do, the price of one vega card doesn't make it super interesting, unless you have loads of cash or have a nicely sized farm that has ROI'd already and you can play around, when you're a small time miner it doesn't look like a very good investment for a new rig, for now that is.

Some think it'll drop the price on the RX series. My view is rather that everyone will keep purchasing RX cards because their cheaper, effectively drying up stocks just like we are seeing now.

No matter what it costs, it can still be interesting if you care about card density/performance and are limited to X number of cards you can run :)

I'm limited to X cards so I definitely understand.

Thank you for your input, I'll just stick with the 5xx series.

Mine away!

Hi! Does this motherboard require any flashing of BIOS or is it plug and play?

You can use the best option for gpu mining, like amd brand but of course it will use more power everytime we use it for mining  :-[

The results are in! According to the first benchmarks Vega FE seem to be very inefficient for ETH mining. Some reports say it is capable of 33 MH/s while using 300W or power. RX Vega (the gaming edition of the card) may follow the pattern. Whether this is a good or bad thing for mining is yet to be seen.

It wont, Vega will not do squat, even the ones with gddr5, you trolls should stop dreaming, gddr6 only on 2018 and that is what you stupid miners should wait for hehe, while I'm earning many times my investment buying and selling coins, you troll miners hope for 1x return hehe

AMD VEGA = poor hashrate and big power consumption.

We should wait until AMD release new drivers and the developers optimize their mining software. After that we can conclude if Vega is good or bad for mining.

I don't understand why anyone thinks the VEGA would have ever had better ETH hashrate. It uses HMB memory. The Fury/Nano has already shown that HMB is worse for ETH but FAR better for other algorithms such as ZEC. I'm more interested in the ZEC numbers.

It looks like it will be, with the already released Frontier version consuming almost 400W from the wall and staying bellow a 1080 nonTi, AMD just do not stop releasing crappy cards to the masses.

It's not crappy if it's priced right, if it's gonna be priced over 500-600€ with results like 1080 then yes I'll call it crappy too
I would offer 400€ for rx vega...

Nice to hear that it wont be a killer. Maybe the gamers can stop whining about amd being out of stock and buy the vega instead.

There's no results yet that will ease the choice, that being said, rx580 8GB will be affected by the dag file in a shirt period of time ( don't tell anyone,it's a SECRET)so watch your ROI.

I expect 700-750H/s for zcash, which is really good if it comes at the lower pricepoint than the 1080 TI.

 (1) poor ETH mining does not make the card "crappy" - that's like saying that a Formula 1 race car is "crappy" because it can't haul half a ton of stuff like a pickup.
 (2) The Frontier edition isn't intended for "the masses", it's a WORKSTATION card.
 (3) It's new enough that software hasn't been optimised for it yet.

bullshit

700-750 for ZCash seems entirely reasonable - 50% higher clock rate than the FuryX/Nano, same number of cores, faster RAM, and the FuryX/Nano both manage ballpark 500 sol/s IIRC.

 The Consumer VEGA cards should come in at or below the 1080 ti on price - but some of them will probably have lower core count than the Frontier edition, so they'll be slower.

If you look at the test Vega is sligtly faster then Fury X... it use too mutch power and even mining only ETH is drop clock by +10%!
VEGA is pure failure

oh son, it looks another fury based card, hoping for vega nano, with 800sol/150w should be amazing thing, haha
i believe amd always deliver good gpu for mining

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
lol to many noobs miner in here, vega confirmed the best gpu mining in the future, take my word and put on trash,  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
nano 1000/500 is doing 450 sol
vega 1600/960 should be 60% faster @minimum, and they have smaller latency on memory should be good on dual mining, vega is the next true king,
power consumption well can be manage, like nano from 170 to 100 watt undervolted

I'm sticking to my undervolted 1070s

vega should be a dual mining beast the 1080ti and the 1070 are decent dual miners but vega should shine

with profits on individual coins dropping dusl mining might be the way to maximize hardware although half my nanos have been killed by dual mining for over a year lol

can you run claymore epoch benchmark on it? ))

looking  forward  your  review.

The only thing tested for mining with Vega is the Frontier version, it did bad, something like 30MH/s @ 300watts OEM VBIOS. But, the FirePro Polaris series also does poorly. Both of these cards are workstation-grade and were released before the gaming consumer versions.

Saying Vega is crap when only seeing test results for the workstation/server version targeted at AI, deep-learning, neural-network data mining, is like saying the RX 470/480/580/570s are going to be crap based on the results of the AMD FirePro release.

Even before the RX 500-series was released, miners started selling the RX 400-series based on rumored architecture and estimated hashrates before anyone had test results. Those miners then paid for new 570/580s and their hashrate and power consumption didn't change.

Vega still has a chance to prove itself in mining once some RX Vegas come out. But, I wouldn't go selling all your current cards betting on Vega being "better."

Purchased some 1080 ti's middle of last month based on a sketchy report on the vega's mining ability. One reason was to not time, but ride the wave and the other reason was that since the vega appears to not to mine at it's potential out of the box, this probably adds at least a month to whatever the useful deployment time is.

For me the great unknown so far is vega tweakability. Tweakability milestones that stand out in this is the 290X 4GB with the Stilt bios and the 4XX with the right bios mods.

At this point I'm guessing that vaguega has the edge because of AMD's history of GPU upside tweakability.

Look like vega is new amd epic fail card :(

I hope you are right, but the chances are very thiny  ;)

Seems like we can agree that the AMD VEGA is overpriced and consumes too much power in comparison to how much hashpower it produces.

Sticking to the 5xx series or waiting for the mining cards seems to be the best choice as of now.

No,  Just what is currently out on the market.  The Vega Frontier Edition.  For its current price it doesn't seem like a good choice.  We'll have to wait for RX Vega in a couple of weeks to see how it pans out.

Yupp for sure. One of the problems though will be getting enough juice for it to run 6 VEGAs on 1 mobo. If 1 VEGA= 400w, 6 VEGAs= 2,4kW = you need two 1300w PSUs to be safe.

HMB1 and HMB2 isnt the same thing, vega should do at the end (after optimization, drivers, and overclocking) about 800-850 sols on ZEC, and about 60-70MH on eth but will cost about 600$ so...

Unvelibable... Why do you people bother so much. We will see when card will be released. No point in speculating.

Maybe vega will be good for eth, but price is also very important, and power consumption.
If vega realy take more than 350w in dual mining mode I dont belive there will be good
way to keep card cold enought. And if 2x 1060 are faster than vega, then I think all talks
about HBM2 are pointless...

Reading tests from net about vega and cant find with low consumption and big hash.
Even if you are optimise miner very good will be imposible to have good hashrate without decent
core clocks. For example 2x 1060 have about 50m in eth and take very low power to make that speed.
Vega will hardly make that speed, and even more hard make that low power consumption.
And 2x 1060 can buy right now, and vega will be easy to buy when?
Do you understand my point?
Undervolted or not ;)

Watchig what AMD gives lately is don good.
I think AMD lost battle with Nvidia..
with most algo NVIDIA taking the lead..
for example, with Lira2REV2 algo nobody can not optimized god miner for AMD...

I look forward to your work and I hope that you will be able to achieve what you want. But it will be hard to realize the speed of the two 1070 (about 64m in eth) which are cheaper than one vega fe.

Your points make sense only for the Vega FE which, again, is a workstation card. You're comparing things that aren't really comparable. We need to wait for the consumer grade cards to arrive from Sapphire, MSI etc. and need for miner devs like Wolf0 to optimize their miners for the cards. Once undervolting and bios mods are possible on the Vegas, I'm confident they will be very competitive GPUS.

Given that Ethereum refugees are fleeing and driving difficulty up to unprofitability on most alts. I'll say Vega won't see a large mining sale. Currently, AMD is a burden on mining, not enough coins where they excel.

I all comes down to price , availability and power usage , yeah the hash rate and mods by miner devs are important

but no one knows what the true combination of thosw three factors are, for now the smart money is sticking with nvidia

real power consumption on your vega card, arround?default and undervolt?

It does ethereum in comparable power to an RX 580 (140 watts). This is down clocked to like 900 MHz, undervolted, and doing ~33mh.

Im at siggraph right now and will be at the RX Vega launch event and meeting Raja later...hopefully Ill have an RX Vega to play with soon :D

Here's a previous thread about Vega, seems to be an underperformer.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2000861.msg19923919#msg19923919

Looks like I got the price right.

$499 for full 64CU chip
$399 for 56CU chip

Vega 56 has about 20% lower memory bandwidth due to lower HBM2 clock speeds. I'm curious whether it can be OC-ed to match the Vega 64 HBM speeds, or it's like the Rx480 4gb vs 8gb cards, where 4gb ram cannot clock as high.

But damn 295W TDP, can't even fit 6 of them using an Evga 1600T2, sure we can undervolt but it is pushing the limit. Because of this reason I may go with the 56CU chip with 210W TDP.

https://videocardz.com/71430/amd-announces-radeon-rx-vega-64-series

One thing I'm certain, Vega will never have a worse hash to watt ratio after optimizations. AMD have to pull off a bulldozer for this to happen.

Looks like the Vega family of GPUs will be available starting Aug. 14th so should I hold off buying more 1080 Tis?

Wolf,

I have to disagree on this point. The technical risk (hardware/software) of a 1070, 1080 ti hardware and software mining solution is completely known. Everyone knows what suppliers to go to. The 1070, 1080 ti IMHO has been a solution for several months for the average miner with no inside info.

1) Overall schedule slippage for the vega PC GPU is a major risk factor. The more the schedule slips, the less POW mining is left on the ETH coin.

a)  One type of schedule slippage is that the average miner will be at the back of the queue for quantity deliveries.

b) At this point what little is known is that the vega software in some fashion will have to be modded. The average miner will certainly not be at the head of the queue for the best software mods.

c) Another sort of schedule slippage is the usual sorting out:

i) Of GPU suppliers, this is still months into the future.

ii) GPU configurations.

Let's say that the 1070 and the 1080 ti are only an 80% solution. Well these 80% solutions has been on the ROI highway for at least 1 to 2 months.

Finally, as someone who is a believer in the 1080 ti card and as others have pointed out, if VEGA turns out to be "The Next GPU Platform", we can migrate to Vega and the resale value of the 1080 ti out this point will hold up well.

Your technical pronouncements are useful to the high end, high dollar mining factories that are your customers, they are not very useful to the average miner IMHO.

Just read about it to in the news, the 399,- version is a good price but i don't think it's a good mining card.
But if that is the case you will see the prices go up, and also nobody knows yet what the hashing speed will be.

@NameTaken So not sure to wait for this or go for the 1080ti's.

But the energy the cards produce worries me..  ???

Also i saw there was a NANO version  :P
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/815088-amd-rx-vega-nano-gpu-teased/

Well reasoned.  I can see Wolf's viewpoint as it will hurt his business model.  At Wolf I hot rodded about 1000 Mac mini's from 2006 to 2013  Apple built the 2014 mac mini and the business died.  You may be lucky enough to mod the amd vega to out preform the 1080 ti  but it looks like the card builders  have your business model in their scope sites.

been there  I hope you can keep up your extensive mods  with the amd cards.

I made the switch to nvidia in April  scoped out a few good coins and my 1080 ti's are paid for.

My hope is the amd vega bombs as a miner for all but guys like you  as it would help my resale value of the 1080 ti's.

The Frontier Edition has been out for a while now and from people who have them, seems like even getting the miner to recognize it is a challenge. Assuming it does, I have not seen any miner updates for optimization. In addition, AMD is selling the new cards only in bundles to avoid miners.

Don't warry, if vega is good then will be imposible to buy one. And if they are not good for mining then you also don't need to warry about them :P
I am very sceptic about vega pricing, look like they will be cheaper then rx 580, and that is imposible :)
In any case I will buy few of them for one rig just to try, but for now thay are not looking good for mining.

It would be a good thing just wait to see how the Vega RX are going to perform in the mining field, we know they're a little different from the Frontier Edition, so let's wait and see it.

Curious, will you be releasing your miner closed source with dev fee? What do you think the theoretical limit of Vega 64 is in terms of eth/monero/zcash mining? Thanks  :)

I loled

As of latest news, looks like AMD does not care about miners anymore. They started selling their cards in bundles with cpu and motherboard at discounted prices

Vega 56 could be very nice for mining considering how much it costs, current TFLOPS, and the fact that AMD highlighted optimizing the card for mining in a release slide. Mining seems to be winding down for some but Vega could help revitalize mining again. I'll wait until some miners bench the card first before buying, though.

 That way they get the money from 3 sources. Soon you will see, cpu, mb, monitor and video card in all one package, gamer package hehe

Yeah it seems good but with 180w tdp i doubt we gonna see them in the mines but who knows maybe it will undervolt nicely.At least we might see drop on polaris card prices

I don't think so. I think that they are trying to prevent gpu shortage from happening like it did few months ago and it's still here. Gamers are angry because they cannot buy cards, and they are turning towards Nvidia

vega 500$ 290w, even undervolted maybe around 200w minimum speed must be 2x rx480, or its pointless to buy it, or wait for vega nano for next couple month should be interesting

What...Dont be scared of that TDP.  Remember a Fury/Nano tdp is high as hell...yet it can be run smooth as butter for extremely low power usage.  I expect the same out of vega.

 Little if any worse than the R9 290/290x, not that far off the Fury line for what should be quite a bit higher performance, though the comparison to the GTX 1080/1080ti doesn't look good in some ways.

 I'm still not seeing any testing on coins OTHER THAN ETH to date though - and it's still early days on the drivers.

Remember that this time around AMD have probably designed a heatsink likely better than that of the 290/290X, so unless they didn't and kept the crappy design we probably won't have overheating issues with the GPUs.

Benchmarks other than ETH are now increasingly important as time goes on due to the ice age incoming, which will probably change mining possibly forever. A little concerning to me right now, hopefully somebody does that soon.

https://twitter.com/jafacrypto/status/893388496387354624 (https://twitter.com/jafacrypto/status/893388496387354624)

Don't know where he got the information from. But if this turns out to be true as to what concerns the hashrate, that would be insane. 

6xVEGAS = 70*6= 420Mh/s per rig.

I have the nano. I only run them at -100mV, so it is quite efficient.

You are dreaming with the AMD Vega.
AMD is a liar and was allways a liar.
 - AMD lies about they CPUs power
 - AMD lies about they CPUs memory compatibility
 - AMD lies about they GPUs power
 - AMD lies about they GPU TdP (power to refresh the GPU)
 - AMD lies about they GPU electricity consumption

And you are dreaming again about VEGA ?
Who are you ?

Can you confirm any hashrates and power consumption? What's the temperature like, is it a pain in the ass to setup ?

The Vega 64 will only be available via bundle while the Vega 56 and AIB Vega 64s will be releasing in September. Is it worth paying the extra $100 and running the single blower fan on full for having it a month earlier?

i had some nano they running at 0.88v dual mining suck 160watt, earning almost reach 1080ti
the card pretty silence at 70c room ambient at 28c

Strange thing, my Ryzen is faster than they announced. I like that lie :-)

hmmmm

If they make Vegas difficult to acquire as said, their affect should take longer to be felt regardless of optimizations.

ebay will have the 64 versions for sale but on what price?

Reviewers have the cards already so when does NDA lift?

I suspect the NDA will lift around August 12 - AMD seems to lift NDA on new stuff a couple days or so before they officially become retail available.

Anyone got a hashrate from that new AMD vega card?  Im interested to see if its worth it!

Thanks!

My results:

41 MH/s for Ethereum
1280 H/s for Monero

with Vega 64 or Vega56 ????

They hash nearly the same, that's why 64 is pointless for miners. Both around 32 MH/s at stock and up to 40 OC.

how much it drain ?

I posted before the Vega 56 has launched, therfore it's Vega 64.


It's thirsty, between 220 and 260W I'd say.

So it's a miner problem or gpu is just not that good ?

Well the power consumption is going to be a GPU problem and likely always that way.... higher hashrate may be squeezed out of it with miner optimizations, but the Hash per watt rate is never going to be all that great. As long as the prices stay as high as they are it's not looking like a worthwhile mining purchase imo.

finally managed to do 0.88v downvolt keeping 1100mhs hbm2.
41mhs eth + 200mhs lbry, card is pulling 250w from the wall.
vega 64 liquid

I have old cpu+mb rig and win7, on modern rigs speed is even better

If you find that the income/return of that investment is more than your current setup, go for it.
I think you need to consider also the electrical bills and the operating cost of the new unit if it would be really profitable to upgrade.

- a lot. I got VEGA64 to play with and out the wall, on stock settings, pc eats 300(min)-390W(peak) when mining various coins, wattage will change slightly depending on miner/algo it does.

Erm, what??

Vega is not good for mining. 2x RX 570 or 580 will beat it in hashrate even with price. HBM2 memory is as bad for mining as HBM.

why?
i see Vega 64 - 43.5 MH/s @ 130w

but wait confirmed

I think the results published are not true, it is not possible actually to obtain 130w with vega............ unless you reduce power limit to 30%

I think it's not true. 43MH/s is possible probably with tuned miner even more, but 130W maybe in GPU-Z... not at wall.

True ;)
Vega is for everyting, just not for mining.

Vega 64 - 43.5 MH/s is good
if not 130w but up to 200 is good too
opinion?

mine is doing 41.3 eth + 200 lbc @ 230w from the wall. Is it good?

Can you calculate your ROI? Everything between 7 and 9 months should be good.

Whoever posted that article on Reddit is a liar or a complete idiot. I use a kill-a-watt meter to measure actual power usage. This is from running it standalone as a secondary psu with just the vega 64 (primary psu powers mobo etc so my killawatt meter is just measuing nothing but the vega 64 and it's own internal usage which is less than 10 watts). Anywho, Vega 64 pulls over 350 watts from the wall. Dual mining over 400.  The idiot that posted the Reddit article must have been only looking at the gpuz measure and all the INTELLIGENT folks here understand that gpuz power reading is NOT THE TOTAL POWER DRAWN BY THE GPU CARD.  it's only a small fraction of it.  So, like I said, vega 64 pulls over 300 under normal mining and 400 dual mining. If idiot Reddit poster is running many GPU's then Idiot Reddit poster will probably burn his house down if he hasn't already by overloading the circuits since it's clear he doesn't understand real electrical power draws.

don't run your card on stock setting, you need heavy downvolt to achieve low power consumption. Don't call others idiots if it is you who cannot make right gpu tuning.

Vega 64 = 300 watt = 40 MHS

2x rx580 = 340 watt = 54 MHS

Corrrect

but for other altcoins - vega not good?

etc XMR

Vega is only good if you will dual mine with it. Overly superior up to 4x than rx 570. So in the end if Vega hits by miracle 50 then it may be better than 2 rx 570.

Not correct, Vega consumes only 150-180w for 40-43mh eth. You need to run it at 1000/1100@0.78v

vega 64 its good enogh, dual mine eth+lbry its the best for vega now
i'm waiting  vega 56 arrive for testing

Is there any hard facts about this series yet? I'm sure AMD knows that mining is starting to become a much larger share than pc gaming. Otherwise the old Tahiti gpu would not still be selling for up to 80% of its price in 2013 on Ebay.

I think the Vega is not as good value as the 1070 or 1080 in terms of efficiency.

Why??
maybe is better in long term from 1080 and 1070 and 1080 TI

Anyone have information when they will start selling Non-refernce /AIB or whatever they call them,  Vega cards? e.g ROG Strix RX VEGA 64

Most in Europe is 8GB Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16

:(

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pushed-43-5mhs-130w-mining-ethereum-eclipsing-polaris-efficiency-factor-2x/


Here a test was done and it seems to prove Redditor's post.

130 watt and 43.5 mh

Best results
maybe with next drivers Hashrate up to 50-60 Mhs

max 60 mhs is real for Vega 64

They all get 43.5 only for small DAG currencies.
They are gettin 38-40 with ethereum.
They are not using blockchain drivers.
My results aren't so good in terms of power (160-200watt) but give 44.2 with ETH.

Is that single or dual mining?

It is single mode.
Dual mode needs more voltage to be stable and consumes 280-300watt. it is 43eth+220lbc
It is with blockchain drivers.
With 17.8.2 I was getting 41+200 at 240-260 watt
It was with win 7. With win10 and 17.8.2 I was getting only 38+200 (((

Need some time for further tuning ... but only when my air Vega will arrive.

Do  you think it is more efficient than the RX 580 in terms of power consumption?

In single mode - no, until we have new miner or driver with promised 50+ mhs.
In dual mode - maybe ... but again ... current buggy blockchain drivers won't let you downvolt to 800mV keeping good speed ... so I think currently polaris cards are better even in dual mode.
see: vega is 43eth+220lbc@300watt. Good polaris can do 30eth+90lbc with 130-150watt
 

Have you tried the new driver?   

Just wanted to share some thoughts about the XFX Vega 64 cards .
I was able to get stable results mining Ethash 44 Mh/s, Cryptonight 2010 h/s drawing 160w give or take.
But, man, what do you guys do with all that heat coming from it. I can heat all my house with with just 4 of these cards. They produce heat more then the other 3 rigs I have (580x8). And noise, they are ridiculous loud at 2500rpm. Is it a general issue for all reference cards? Do you things there will be  more efficient new designs? 

160W is 160W.

If you compare it with two 580s, I'm sure they turn more than 160W together into heat.

No it is not true, even from physics point. Take the watercooling for instance, water has bigger heat capacity. The transistors consumes less power if cooled down. Etc