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WHAT WE CAN DO

As they claim the operator of the btc-e.com website is Always Efficient LLP and this company is incorporated in England and Wales, everyone can file a complaint online at www.actionfraud.police.uk/

Oh crap, that's a really bad sign.  In the UK it's insanely easy to register a company, you can just sign up for about £12 and you get a nice little certificate if you want.  All the Bitcoin related Ponzi schemes boast about being a "UK registered company", but how they're regulated exactly is another matter altogether.

I thought BTC-E was based in Russia.  If so, being a UK registered company is really bad unless they're openly subject to specific regulations.

I just filed my report.

If you signed up before Sep 10, 2015 (or possibly as late as Dec 3, 2015) you DID NOT AGREE to an INACTIVITY PERIOD

If you signed up between Dec 3, 2015 to Apr 21, 2017 you agreed to a 2 CALENDAR YEAR inactivity period NOT 1 CALENDAR YEAR

No one who agreed to an inactivity period can have reached the inactivity period yet (2 calendar years)

Date	Inactivity Period in Terms	Link
Sep 10, 2015	Not present	https://web.archive.org/web/20150910111027/https://btc-e.com/page/1
Dec 3, 2015	2 calendar years	https://web.archive.org/web/20151203223020/https://btc-e.com/page/1
Jul 8, 2016	2 calendar years	https://web.archive.org/web/20160708084642/https://btc-e.com/page/1
Dec 29, 2016	2 calendar years	https://web.archive.org/web/20161229045520/https://btc-e.com/page/1
Apr 21, 2017	2 calendar years	https://web.archive.org/web/20170421225554/https://btc-e.com/page/1
Apr 28, 2017	1 calendar year	https://web.archive.org/web/20170428230651/https://btc-e.com/page/1

Exact text (stress added to words is mine):
If your account has been inactive for 2 calendar years, its status will be changed to “locked”. Please contact Support to unlock your account https://support.btc-e.com/

A "calendar year" does not mean 365 days. It means a calendar year: 2015 or 2016, from Jan 1 to Dec 31 (sources: [1] [2] [3]). This means if you signed up or logged in after Jan 1, 2015 then your account was active in 2015. If you did not log in during 2016 then your account was inactive for that calendar year. 2017 is not finished so it is not applicable yet . This means if you agreed to inactivity period the most your account could have been inactive is 1 calendar year. It is truly impossible for any account that agreed to an inactivity period to have reached the inactivity period yet. Possibles:

Account Active Last	Inactivity Period in terms then	Possible Inactive Years	Result
Before Sep 10, 2015	Not present	N/A	Inactivity Period does not apply to account
Sep 10 - Dec 31, 2015	2 calendar years	2016	Inactivity Period impossible to have been reached
2016	2 calendar years	None	Inactivity Period impossible to have been reached
Jan 1 - Apr 21, 2017	2 calendar years	None	Inactivity Period impossible to have been reached
After Apr 21, 2017	1 calendar year	None	Inactivity Period impossible to have been reached

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Terms changes:

Due to we have not been able to use our accounts we have not had "continued use of BTC-e" and have not agreed to any changes in terms. The terms that apply to our accounts are when the account was active last. If BTC-e says "you reset your password recently so you are subject to new terms" then that means our account was last active in 2017. BTC-e can not say we agreed to new terms while saying also our account was inactive at the time we agreed to new terms.

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Conclusion

The inactivity period does not apply to any account yet and we have very firm legal ground to sue them on. Every day they withhold our funds causes further damages to us and can be added to the damages award at court.

Taking action

Spreading the word that BTC-e is refusing to release funds, for arbitrary reason not supported by their terms of service, will have more effect probably in the near term than a lawsuit. Every one is scared about exchanges becoming bankrupt and keeping every one's funds and refusing to release funds for arbitrary reason is usually the start sign of problems. If we tell people the truth about BTC-e and show them the indisputable evidence we can convince them hopefully to take their business to a trustworthy exchange. BTC-e must unlock our accounts to remain credible in the community (and avoid a lawsuit).

Please save copies of the archive.org pages in case BTC-e removes them.

Sources:
1: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/calendar+year
2: https://www.oregonlaws.org/glossary/definition/calendar_year
3: http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/C/CalendarYear.aspx

Thanks to IRC for the proof read and English correction.

Filling my report now.

Quite sad to hear about it. I thought that BTC-e was one of the most reliable exchanges out there. I opened an account with them a few weeks back (just for ETH/BTC trading), and till now I haven't faced any issues. Also, I was quite happy that they didn't asked for any ID proof.

I'm another 13 days ago transferred 1600 dollars nothing landed, support ignored and tickets deleted,tweets blocked

not happy filing report with bank and internet fraud police here in Australia today

Btc-e has notorious customer service that is comparable to Yobit which is absolutely crazy. I can't believe that there are so many people using them still when so many things could go wrong when they deposit, trade and withdraw on that site.

Reliable? No. Trustworthy? No. But long running? Yes.

Good luck with filing a complaint. I don't think personally that it's going to make any difference to the way they handle things. They don't even have a physical address for you to visit.

That's funny i quit using them ..because they removed shit like Prime coin and added 20 markets for ETH the ICO scam coin scheme.

I will 99.99% never use them ever again.

Same here.

I never ever had any problems with them and to me, they are the only legit exchange whos running an honest business. It pains me to see so many scam accusations for btc-e lately. I never liked buggy polo, finex is dead man walking, coinbase is cancer and only stamp is left to try.

But they should have asked your passport/id/bills scan etc, can't you just upload those and transfer your money? Shouldn't be too hard.

More to add: This recent ToS change might have something to do with their legal problems. If the government of Poland (they were located in Poland right?) interfered too much and were asking questions about their income/users etc, they may be trying to get every user verified in someway without scaring them. If that's the case, i can understand them. They even lowered the trollbox fee to 1$ for verified users while it is 1k$ for non-verified people.

Actually today i read an article on zerohedge that btc-e's owners are still unknown to the public since the day it was created. I was shocked.

Nobody even knows where their servers are located in. Nobody knows the owners' name. Shady.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-11/bitcoin-surges-above-3000-asian-premium-collapses

170 euros is fucking nothing compared to what they have stolen from myself and others. I'm out $25,000. Another person here is out 100,000 usd. I'm filing a lawsuit against my ISP so they ban the site for use in the USA.

A bit more than that worth of BTC. They offered an alternative solution to verify my account (which I already did anyway). So lets see if they finally are up to solve this.

My none 2FA email got hacked and my BTC-e account was blocked.  No coins were taken but after 3 weeks and tons of information provided ID, utility, bank statements, transaction history, IP's, and deposit history they just stopped responding.  They probably assumed that I would not be able to get all that info and when I did they completely ignored me.  I believe the hack originated from BTC-e as well because nobody knew I had bitcoins and I used only 1 other exchange.

satans last ride.    btc-e is goxed as of this moment...      the geometry of the btc-e site was almost identical to this very forum.  veddy veddddddd inderesding

Scammers won't file. All that extra$ for the State. Including widening the web to users of it.

Expect Foxbit think that's the name and Coinmal? To face the same fate.

If you're legit no need to worry. ;)

Fuck the scammers. I bought $25,000 in LTC at an expo in NYC 2and a half years ago right before the crash. I patiently waited for the market to go back up just for these asshole to lock me out. Fuck that scamming piece of shit. You better believe I filed with action fraud and FinCEN. Now that this asshole is coming to the US my attorney has someone to subpoena. I only used this market because it had a good online reputation at the time and their prices and rates were the best. I guess you get what u pay for  :(

I'm pretty much screwed to. If we can do something together I am willing to put some efforts in to.

He's already been charged with number of offences which may land him to prison for 55 years.You think you filling a subpoena will make any difference ? They authorities already know about the company's fraudulent ways,your $25k is a small amount compared to the numbers they're subjected with.Even if you do,there is no chance you'll get anything back if he pleads guilty.

What are you guys talking about. I can file a lawsuit and subpoena him. We all know where his jail cell is gonna be and where to send the  subpoenas. It's a guarantee he has assets world wide that the us government will Take and auction off. And I'm know there is a fraud victims fund. Where do you think that fine BTC-e and the owners personal fine goes? Do you think that money just goes into the pockets of politicians. That's just stupid. If you think think victims of fairs are shit outa luck once the perpetrator is caught your stupid. There are billions in BTC that have been confiscated!!! Do you really think the US government can legally take that money for themselves hahah. Your pretty stupid and a hopeless loser if u think that

And I can't sue those banks cuz I didn't send them any cash I bought my LTC in person. My only action is to sue Alexander as well as  subpoena the records for the admins and moderators so I may file suits against them as well. Filing lawsuits is cheap. About $200 to file to be exact.

I agree. It will be very hard for you to get the claims. So I guess its goodbye to your funds. The guy has been arrested and will probably spend the rest of his life in jail and BTC-e will not be online. Also, there are people who lost more money than you and I think they can't do anything because they know that they can't get back their money. If you want to proceed then go by all means, but we have warned you my friend.

Warned me what... that I can't get blood from a stone? that I won't get back my money. That's not the point. The point is that if money becomes available through a victims fund resulting from the fines, I'll be first in line while you hopeless losers don't get shit. It your ignorance of the law and how civil court works that's your set back. But if you choose to do nothing, then you only have yourself to blame for giving up.

We'll see how it turns out.The money is returned back if the assets are not seized and no criminal activities have been involved.If this was a hack,then yes the would sue the hacker with charges and return the assets to the public but that's not the case here.

He did ! Doesn't matter where the money come from,if it's used for laundering especially involving illegal trades (the charges he was imposed with) the assets are frozen that is no one gets shit.How many of the MtGoxx customers got their money back ?   

But it doesn't seem like Vinnik was the mastermind. He seems like a patsy. No one who was around in 2011 and familiar with BTC-E believes he was involved in launching the site, nor an owner.

The thing about the bitcoin24 experience -- this is not applicable with BTC-E where likely most of the userbase's identity was not verified. Just username, email, password, 2fa maybe. Those accounts would surely just be pocketed by the Feds.

The bigger problem is that it isn't clear that the authorities seized any funds. Usually they announce funds seizure in the press release -- this is the most important part for federal agencies. But nothing here...

It's on Youtube and reddit now.

Clear browser and use a proxy and you can see on website. Website domain has been changed and seized by big brother. Maybe we might have a chance but with over 500,000 users I think it will be a long wait. I have a MTGOX claim that waiting for payment as well. According to my attorney its gonna be a long 6-10 years to resolve everything with btc-e.com OVER 400K users with no ID to link to funds, its gonna be a big mess. But know its in the feds hands is a better chance for me to recover my funds.

http://imgur.com/EqnleRe

Thank you for your understanding of law. These idiots on here seem to have a vested interest in people thinking their  money is gone forever. Seems fishy to me that they are trying to convince victims that they are shit outa luck. The fact is,  people on the exchange that had their accounts locked were legal bitcoin users. They weren't following their illegal trend so they were locked out and scammed. I bought my LTC at an expo in NYC over the course of two days, two years ago before the MT.gox crash. I waited patiently for the market to go back up and when it did they locked me out. People like me def have a leg to stand on when demanding compensation form the government whose imposing fines. Not only can I prove where my $25k came from, I am prove when I bought the coins, and when I transferred them to BTC-e. If your a money launderer and you had stolen BTC, then yeah our really don't have a leg to stand on and should probably just throw in the towel.

So hire a good lawyer to have your money back, I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that in these cases you have the right to get your money back because you have nothing to do with the crimes of the owner of the exchange

I only had cents in btc-e, so I will not bother recovering the cents

Looks like somebody's been reading my recent posts, eh?  ;) ;) ;) BTW, the initial reports were that Autumn Rudtke was found in her home but later changed to being found atop a dumpster shed after jumping from the 26th floor of a complex she had to walk several blocks to get to.


Would you purposely jump to land two stories shy of the ground, or go the distance?

Maybe she didn't want to wake up Steve Beauregard (https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/qa-gocoins-steve-beauregard-1404974334/) sleeping in a room he rented from her when visiting Singapore when she committed suicide. Steve needs his beauty rest and wouldn't have like it if he was awaken early due to screams.

Autumn is the person of the right next to some random old dude:


Here's a pic of Autumn on the left of some random young dude:


Here's a pic of Steve Beauregard getting interviewed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElKEGGOcFbU - in front of a cafe that's directly below the apartment he and Autumn shared:


I spoke with Autumn's sister shortly after the event, she calling me from Hawaii, and she said (and I quote), "THERE'S NO FUCKIN WAY MY SISTER COMMITTED SUICIDE!"

The following three comments consists of three previously published posts of mine separated by a horizontal line (not counting the first one, or the last horizontal line which its content is a continuation of the content above it).

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2056158.msg20505927#msg20505927


https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/russian-national-and-bitcoin-exchange-charged-21-count-indictment-operating-alleged


I can't believe that the fuckin FBI falsely claimed that Vinnik operated BTC-e when BTC-e adamantly declares that such was not the case. That's almost as believable as BTC-e returning all its users' funds in spite of not having any access to its database because ... wait for it ... the fuckin FBI took everything when they arrested a slew of other BTC-e employees except the dude who penned the post quoted above promising that all funds WILL Be returned just like Tom Williams of MyBitcoin promised back in 2011.

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https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/26/16035702/btce-arrest-bitcoin-alexander-vinnik-mt-gox-theft-suspect

<also quoted here: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/07/27/bitcoin-exchange-chief-arrested-in-ongoing-investigation-of-mt-gox-theft/ (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/07/27/bitcoin-exchange-chief-arrested-in-ongoing-investigation-of-mt-gox-theft/)>


https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/russian-national-and-bitcoin-exchange-charged-21-count-indictment-operating-alleged


WHO THE FUCK IS COLIN STRETCH?? ?? ??

https://www.crunchbase.com/person/colin-stretch



America's 50 Outstanding General Counsel (2014) (http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=1202648667420/America's-50-Outstanding-General-Counsel?slreturn=20140318100126)


As for the dude who the arrow is pointing to, pay such no mind unless you wanna go there: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmurck/. BTW, years later we're still waiting for proof that KnC truly did pay the U$100K fee to TBC in becoming a Platinum Member. I'm guessing that it never happened, but who the fuck am I?

Who else was a partner of Kellogg Huber Hansen Todd Evans & Figel, I hear you asking?

Nobody in particular unless, that is, this guy is relevant: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-31/meet-americas-newest-supreme-court-justice-judge-neil-gorsuch

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Yes, Vinnik was a brave man running various money services since the early 2000's, perhaps using those, too, as money laundering entities.

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Nov 10, 2015: https://www.coindesk.com/us-justice-department-holds-digital-currency-summit-in-san-francisco/



Translated: Akin to nobody brings massive amounts of drugs in the US unless it's us doing it, nobody runs a money laundering service unless it's us doing or overseeing it, up to and including some rogue dude in Russia which - MARK MY WORDS - we will eventually nab, hence inviting you fine 175 folks to this unannounced meatup today - there'll be pizza afterwards in the basement for any of yous into such with an option to stay longer to witness others killing pizza - to give us, us as in US, any info you have on this Russki, whereupon outta the kindness of our hearts we'll let you operate another day, because that's how we roll.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2016/11/01/federal-prosecutor-kathryn-haun-on-how-criminals-use-bitcoin-and-how-she-catches-them/#4dfe4c1b1871


Call me a nut, but I'm thinkin' that them two FBI agents were part of some plot along with Paul Vernon of Cryptsy who used to suck the dicks of 3-, 4- and 5-Star Generals down in Ft Hood during the late 90s. Hell, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if Sonny Vleisides of BFL is an operative.

Far from happy. They are just not able to scam anyone anymore. All the scammed people are just waiting to see what happens when they open back up. Maybe they give us some of our coins back. I still intend on filing a law suit. It will be easier, now that the us government has most of their servers, to prove they stole your coins from you arbitrarily. And the fines levied by the US government will be available as restitution to victims. So to answer your question, no one is happy. We're all just waiting. Sure it was satisfying to see their founder surrounded by police, but it doesn't get me back my life savings.

HUGE $10,000 REWARD OUT
SPREAD THE NEWS

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@thejamesfund/usd10-000-reward-bounty-or-split-among-individual-s-in-helping-me-blasting-btc-e-aka-wex-nz-info-below

Fellow Bitcoiners, please accept my apologies for calling BTC-e a scam and stating endlessly that all its users are fucked to the nth degree come September onward.

Thank you.

Bruno

Dear all,

My account is verified via xbtce.

My wire transfer at 21 & 24-jul-2017 transfered to BTCE via Moneypolo 110k USD successful but BTCE is died and not credit, after Wex.nz recreated and now it still not resolved and I don't hear any info about my money.

My money not credit to my account in Wex.com. I created a ticket with supporter and answer from them: Contact to Moneypolo to refund.

After I created 2 tickets with Moneypolo & Moneypolo don't answer my ticket & I don't have any info about it.

I know they are scammers. How can they refund me? Who like me?

THIS EXCHANGE IS A SCAM

100% STOLE MY MONEY!

NO SUPPORT - NO ANSWER

BTC -e is owned by Russians, and Russians are known to be good at scamming people. The problem they had with state government ceasing their site is as a result of fraud they committed.

Hi there, I'm a BBC Radio 4 documentary maker keen to get in touch with people who've lost out.
We're against the clock so trying to speak to people ASAP for a research chat.


Nicola Dowling
Broadcast Journalist
BBC Radio Current Affairs
MediaCityUK
Landline: 0161 335 6456
Mobile: 07810 855 315
nicola.dowling@bbc.co.uk

I take it you're not familiar with my thread on the subject, eh?


Let me guess. You started making this documentary yesterday to be released tomorrow, hence being against the clock. Apologies for the quasi-diss, but when you have more time for your next doc, get in touch with me if you wanna hear my theory as to who's behind/created Satoshi Nakamoto. Hint: It may or may not be Robert Mercer.  ;) ;) ;)

Rrrright, censorship. That's what we're fighting for, here. Bravo!
That's the worst thing you can do, really. Beyer help educate people instead of trying to protect them from themselves, using the same methods Bitcoin tries to be an alternative to.