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Title: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: markodude on May 02, 2013, 10:14:41 PM Is it possible to use the Intel DRNG to make a coin mineable only on Intel Ivy Bridge or later CPU?
http://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/m/d/4/1/d/8/441_Intel_R__DRNG_Software_Implementation_Guide_final_Aug7.pdf 50LTC to one that makes it for me :) Title: Re: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: Mushoz on May 02, 2013, 10:24:21 PM Is it possible to use the Intel DRNG to make a coin mineable only on Intel Ivy Bridge or later CPU? http://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/m/d/4/1/d/8/441_Intel_R__DRNG_Software_Implementation_Guide_final_Aug7.pdf 50LTC to one that makes it for me :) Haven't read the document, but this could probably work. If you can seed the random number generator, you can use the data that is now being hashed (block header) to seed the generator and create a random number, and compare this with a target (difficulty). The problem with this design, is that anyone that wants to verify the block _needs_ the exact same implementation as well. So not that many people will be able to run full nodes. Again, this assumes you can seed this generator and that after seeding the generator will produce the same numbers. Haven't actually looked at how this RNG works. Title: Re: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: markodude on May 02, 2013, 10:39:58 PM Sounds promising! Come on programmers, we could create an ASIC and GPU resistant coin - a key differentiator from other coins.
This could be what LTC was intended to be. Scrypt + DRNG. All 3rd generation Intel core CPUs support this feature and ship in most new PCs. We can create a little exclusivity for miners too :) Title: Re: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: TheSwede75 on May 02, 2013, 10:56:49 PM OR.. you could create a coin that can only be mined with a factory setting Commodore 64! Cold storage on Casette tape would be a killer feature! Yeah... *sigh*
Title: Re: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: 2112 on May 02, 2013, 10:59:41 PM I'm just quoting this for posterity. The kookiness of proposing a deterministic test for the presence of random numbers is very high. Not as kooky as BenRayfield (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25861), but getting there.
Is it possible to use the Intel DRNG to make a coin mineable only on Intel Ivy Bridge or later CPU? http://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/m/d/4/1/d/8/441_Intel_R__DRNG_Software_Implementation_Guide_final_Aug7.pdf 50LTC to one that makes it for me :) Haven't read the document, but this could probably work. If you can seed the random number generator, you can use the data that is now being hashed (Block Header + Previous Block Hash + Nonce + extra's) to seed the generator and create a random number, and compare this with a target (difficulty). The problem with this design, is that anyone that wants to verify the block _needs_ the exact same implementation as well. So not that many people will be able to run full nodes. Again, this assumes you can seed this generator and that after seeding the generator will produce the same numbers. Haven't actually looked at how this RNG works. Sounds promising! Come on programmers, we could create an ASIC and GPU resistant coin - a key differentiator from other coins. This could be what LTC was intended to be. Scrypt + DRNG. All 3rd generation Intel core CPUs support this feature and ship in most new PCs. We can create a little exclusivity for miners too :) Title: Re: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: Tittiez on May 02, 2013, 11:01:59 PM but but but i have an amd cpu :-[
Title: Re: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: Doono on May 02, 2013, 11:09:05 PM I like the concept but just want some things cleared up from people who know more about this than myself
Is this random number generator truly random? If not does it being an inherent vulnerability to the coin? And is it scalable long term, if Intel release new chips in the future with a new version of this DRNG would a different version of this generator work with this coin or would it require a new fork? The second point is the one that concerns me the most as this coin could be worthless in less than a couple of years as people get newer CPU's Title: Re: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: TheSwede75 on May 02, 2013, 11:10:42 PM The pace at which greedy n00bs are 'inventing' new alt coins to be able to make money is closing in on lightspeed. Don't forget your foil hats people!
Title: Re: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: TheSwede75 on May 02, 2013, 11:11:15 PM but but but i have an amd cpu :-[ You are just going to have to make your own coin then! COINS FOR EVERYTHING! "Coming soon - Toaster coin!' Title: Re: Intel DRNG based CPUcoin? Post by: Ignore@YourPeril on May 02, 2013, 11:48:40 PM TarCoin, is what we need now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=193588.0
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