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So I have been gambling on prime dice for a while and I was wondering what this whole resetting seeds business is. Why do people reset seeds? Is it to increase odds of winning? If so, then how often should I do it?

I tried to find out information regarding seeds and came up with Nada. :/

Gambling is a matter of luck. No one knows whether changed seed will give us a better chance to win the game or not until we tried it. Tbh, some people can get a better confidence after doing such thing.

i saw some reasoning for doing so on one of these top gambling sites which actually forced you to reset your seed before being able to play and explained why, i did not understand the reason though. because as @emberbekas said gambling dice is only based on luck and if the system is designed correctly it should generate a random seed for you without needing you to manually do anything.

well just a personal thoughts mate i reset seeds when i feel that i'm not so lucky with my games or when i already have some good winning stats i don't know if this is relevant or its just a mind belief but either way same thing gambling is just pure of luck base game so whatever you do its doesn't affect if you will win or lose.

I'm not sure what's the reason behind resetting server seeds on primedice and it definitely doesn't increase your odds on winning because that's only one part of determining the outcome of a bet. I found this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1431468.0) about provably fair it might help you in some way.

well i don't know about other reasons but one of them is surely because of superstitions in gambling. this is a more modern way of carrying a rabbit foot around with you for good luck.
if you look at some of these seeds you can see people put some weird things in them, like their lucky numbers, some praise to Satoshi Nakamoto, 666, ... :)
i know it sounds weird but i have seen people that actually believe in these stuff.

People will make up all kinds of excuses to cover their losses.

Superstition goes a long way for a lot of people, including restting the seeds.

In the end it doesn't matter though. But if it makes you feel better, why not?

i completely agree with your argument , and that is a common thing that people always did whenever they feel desperate and looking for something to blame , and they see that there is something called this seeds as an excuse your bets gone wrong and lost.

then the story begin about how seeds could change your luck , but actually it is not, just the matter of probability and math!

Well client seed + server seed will give you one result. If you change client seed than you will get different result. In some sites every time you want to change client seed you will get new server seed. Every time either you change client seed or server seed changes, result change as well.
If you know client seed and server seed than you will know result before you roll, but it will still remain random.

It just really based on luck mate. Resetting seeds will not chance the outcome. I for one, have done resetting my seeds as well if I fell that I'm loosing. And to chance it, I manually change it but the result is still the same. Probably just an excuse if you are in really bad streak. I guess in you are lucky that day, even changing it will not affect your winnings same as when it is your unlucky day.

I think I'll fall into this superstition as well then :P
I just blew off like $100 worth of coins and I'm stressed out x_x
It was my fault though for bidding like an idiot and getting greedy. I was constantly winning on micro bets but I decided to test my luck on bigger bets and lost it all lol


Thankyou for that thread link! I'll definitely give it a read! :D

Hey you never know... Maybe Satoshi Nakamoto has his All-seeing eye on all the betters and he helps those who praise him :P

Know the result beforehand? :O
But the randomization is an issue :'(

If only you could know the result and play accordingly.... These sites wouldn't even exist then I guess so it's a good thing it's not possible :/

You should really read how provably fair system works. I suggest google.
Random results are predetermined before you roll dice. If they are not, how do you think you could verify fairness of your bets?
Randomization is not an issue here.
Players like to re-randomize seed to add more randomization in already random game to get new random number. ;D

I never did that, but to be honest I don't think it works that way. Gambling is suppose to be random, so if it doesn't make sense that you can reset seeds in order to get better chances, because that would not inspire trust. I know the house edge and I expect everything else to be random. It's just me trying my luck and having fun. There should not be any type of manipulation, so I don't think you can do that, and I hope no one can.

Resetting seeds on a particular dice site indicates that they are showing up the fairness of each roll we do  make on playing dice but no one actually knows if that works on that way or not and no one knows if it actually do the job or not but having this kind of feature is better than those sites doesnt show any seeds.

There's no way that your winning rate will increase once you refresh your seeds. Still every bet are under the provably fair system and house edge. The bottom line, it's still depends on your luck. There are gamblers who although they knows that it has nothing to do with to increase their chances of winning, it's part of theur usual "self technique" to think it's really have to do to win a roll. Same with the idea of; only do gambling at specific time, after winning a bet rest for 15 minutes or less etc. or any self created thing to increase winning rates.

Try to do that everytime and sees if it will increase your winning rate even it's not on the reality.

Yes resetting seeds will not change our luck. Dice game is a unique game, and no one can predict this game how it works. And no one can say that exact number what we get in next roll. What you said it's right here everything is random our strategies and plans will not work every time. So just play the game and have the fun. I too never tried this method so let's try once and will share my experience.

Don't think it actually makes any difference, i have seen online people say that normally when you are losing continuously in gambling you should change your seeds as the sites purposely makes you lose. But i don't get the sense here as probably fair means the site doesn't control the winnings , so i don't understand how will changing of seeds will even help

Some people care about playing with the same seed is simply because there are players who wage for 9900x and i might take a very long time to hit those valuation and if the seed is reset during the play time then the chances of the player hitting those valuation also increases and the fair play is lost and so is the reason some players value their seed more than others.

So can anyone explain to me how I can reset or change the seeds at will? I'm new to this and have no idea. Thx.

You just bumped a very old topic haha, could have just created a new thread. Anyways, so on sites which are provably fair, you have three things mostly, a client seed, a server seed and nonce (the number of bets made using the client and server seed pair). You won't be able to see the server seed because else you will know the outcome of the bet but you can see the server hash to later verify that the server seed was intact and you haven't been cheated. You can always change your client seed by going to settings and click on "fairness" and there you can change the client seed. It depends on casinos where the option to change the seed is, so if you register on casino, click on support and they will guide you to where the option is and how you can change the seed and verify the bets.

The only reason is to change seeds is if you want to validate rolls in the previous seed.

Changing seeds doesn't effect your luck. It's the same as changing the roulette wheel. In the end nothing changes.

I am pretty sure that resetting seeds is not related to any odds of winning for sure because if it can increase the users chances to win then the platform owner will not include this kind of feature for sure.

I am not really particular about the main reason of this feature but I am sure that it is not related to increasing your chances of winning. If you like, you can do some test like reset your seeds very often like you will start every hour and see for yourself if it gives any difference to your previous winning chances.

i waste few mins logging in my primedice account to answer this but before i post i read the earier replies above and i found out that its already been answered by iamsheikadil ( see bolded qoute below ) . and i also click on the change client seed to know if that is the reset button for seeds and it is . now i wasted my over 600,000 nonce or the bets that i already been made . i have no plans on resseting my nonce but i want to make them bigger because im catching up with another primedice player which has a nonce of over a million

Some people are superstitious. They believe their seed was bad and the reason why they have been losing so they get a new seed. If you watch some movies where people play card games sometimes you'll see the player asks for a new deck because he thinks the earlier deck was either cursed or rigged. Exactly the same thing.

Because some people think odds can vary according to the precedent results, so they think they can reset the current odds by resetting the seeds.

Well, I don't think this can be applied to the gambling online business, resetting the seed is a hard process and all client's seeds must be changed, not just only one seed for the sake that he requested a resetting of seed. In every bet or roll dice, it will generate always a new hash seed per user so I don't think there's a reason for resetting the seed.

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Perhaps this thread has been answered already, locking this thread will perhaps a good idea.

??? ??? ???
I really don't understand this kind of suggestion, why did you reply if you think the thread should be locked?
Asherlock is free to do what he wants with his threads, he doesn't need your advice on how he has to manage them.

Well, obviously he/she will not because OP was inactive a long time ago and I don't think he will not come back and lock this thread. But perhaps MOD's can do, to avoid posting other members redundant answers that surely become a flood of spam. Have you come up with this idea?
But dont take it personally bro, it does not mean I am against you, everyone here is free to give a suggestion if they dont then, I have nothing to do.

There are no testimonials or tips that will tell us that by resetting seeds you will have a good chance of winning, you'll still going to get the same results, it's all in the mindset, I from time to time refresh when I'm playing sometimes I won sometimes I lose, it's just my mindset that tells me that refreshing will give me another set or round of opportunity or luck.

If the website is done properly do not matter how often you will reset seeds you will end winning 100% less the EDGE house an infinite number of times.

The only reasons that come into my mind are:

-some sort of bug
-superstition, as you know gamblers tend to have this trait in their behavior.

Many things in this thread will get clear and only if someone is superstitious or think that their luck is not favouring them might change the seeds as it’s not going to affect really. At the end its your luck which helps you either win the game or lose it. It will not matter whatever seeds you are using to play and people should hopefully not fall into it.

You know what they say...more playing equals more chances to run into some crazy losing streak! Have in mind that I talk about +1 million rolls sessions! So I know some people who use VPS, and they run auto all the time (they say that VPS provide higher speeds, so you can roll a lot faster than with your home internet)... and people who use scripts they can set it up to change the seed automatically after "x number" of rolls or wins.


I think it's  superstition… I tried that, but when you do it manually it's a bit boring and I stopped! For me, it was the same... but maybe it's my wrong choice of risky strategies. Anyway I don't do that anymore, but as I said I know people who have that option marked on their scripts!

Correct, it only does the players a feeling that the can chance their luck.

You are right, sometimes gamblers doesn't understand this but think otherwise, changing or resetting seeds doesn't change anything outside luck indeed. My belief in the past was resetting seeds bring fortune, until i did more researched into that effect that changing seeds or not still solely depends on luck.

I don't really think that the odds and the probability should actually change when you reset seeds as the guy said how his gambling site told him to do that I really don't know the science behind it.

Plus if changing seeds are changing your chances of winning the bet then I do believe that 90% people won't usually do it and therefore it won't be fair to actually have a better chance for some .

I don't think mathematically anything will change and what is a program? If not mathematics ? I think changing too often would not only be a bother but unnecessary.

Maybe it will just make you more happy or make you trust your bet more.

How can you change a stable mathematical calculation if you can do that then it's for sure not fair.

Which site are you playing at based on that you can see the option to change seeds. Since the OP talked about Primedice I can give you link about that here https://primedice.com/?modal=fairness

You just need to rotate the seed and you will have a new pair of seeds. I honestly don't feel the need to change seeds and verify bets on established and trusted casinos like PD, stake and others but if you are playing at a new casino or one which hasn't had a clean past then it is worth checking and validating your bets.

When I was new to crypto gambling even I was confused, in fact I used to believe it is "probably" fair instead of "provably" fair which was funny because provably was sort of a new word and I haven't heard it anywhere else apart from the crypto community.

Why do you need to change seeds? Because you cannot reveal the previous server seed unless you change it and is no longer in use.

I will try and explain in brief how seeds and all these things works.

There is a server seed, client seed and nonce which together determine the result of a roll. So basically client seed is entered by you and nonce is the number of bets you made with the seed. The secret here is the server seed which is not shown to you but its hash is given so that later when the actual server seed is reveled you can verify by hashing it that the seed was correct.

For example the server seed was - primedice - now the casino will give you hash string and SHA being one way-encryption means that you cannot reveal the seed from the hash.

Sorry for posting in this old thread but this reply caught my attention:
If the casino automatically changes the server seed after you cange the client seed then you should not trust them. If they know the client seed beforehand than they can choose a server seed which will produce results in their favor.
To answer op's question, most provably fair system use another variable beside the client seed and server seed to produce the random number, which is the nounce. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether you change your seed or not as it won't increase your chances of winning.
It's just another gambler's fallacy.

Well said, it is just a representation to show gamblers that their system is fair functioning and doesn't do any form of manipulation or changes to win. Every trusted gambling sites were provably fair, and the seed used to change automatically. If there happens any error this might not change, and by that time we need to change manually. Thi issue is common and today there is a thread for the same issue caused in Bitsler.

"Nonce" you mean?
Well not all provably fair games are using nonces, but I don't understand why you say that using them could prevent from increasing chances of winning?

Seeds are basically proof of randomness in a crypto dice game. It's there to give the players a sense of security that the site you are in is not making a fool out of you by showing that it is provably fair. Now in the case of resetting it. I guess it's just a formality to give the player a false sense of power because whether you change the seed or not wouldn't affect your odds at winning the game.

That's true the house edge will always be there, there is no need to reset the seed it's just a way to confirm that you can check the randomness, it works positively for gambling site, it's a reminder for gamblers that they are fair and the seeds are their proof, so far I have not received such request, if there is I just will ignore it.

Changing seed option is there so you can verify your bets. That's actually the only reason. A lot of users think they can change their luck with it but that doens't.

But if they feel it that way, just let them change it when they want.  ;D