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Title: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on June 05, 2017, 07:33:52 AM
Date: Saturday, June 10th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 22:59 BCT / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 00:00 BCT / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (Fox Sports 1): 2:00 BCT / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://firstrowus1.eu/


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Other/ufcfn110.jpg

Main Card (Fox Sports 1)

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/usa.gif Derrick Lewis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_Lewis_(fighter)) (18-4) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/newzealand.gif Mark Hunt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hunt) (12-11-1) (Heavyweight)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/usa.gif Derek Brunson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Brunson) (16-5) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/australia.gif Dan Kelly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Kelly_(fighter)) (13-1) (Middleweight)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/newzealand.gif Dan Hooker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Hooker) (13-7) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/england.gif Ross Pearson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Pearson) (19-13) (Lightweight)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/moldova.gif Ion Cutelaba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Cutelaba) (12-3) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/brazil.gif Henrique da Silva (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrique_da_Silva_(fighter)) (12-2) (Light Heavyweight)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/usa.gif Tim Elliott (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Elliott) (14-7-1) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/usa.gif Ben Nguyen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Nguyen) (15-6) (Flyweight)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/australia.gif Alexander Volkanovski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Volkanovski) (14-1) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/japan.gif Mizuto Hirota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizuto_Hirota) (18-7-2) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/australia.gif Damien Brown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien_Brown_(fighter)) (17-9) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/usa.gif Vinc Pichel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinc_Pichel) (9-1) (Lightweight)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/usa.gif John Moraga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moraga) (16-6) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/australia.gif Ashkan Mokhtarian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkan_Mokhtarian) (13-1) (Flyweight)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/newzealand.gif Luke Jumeau (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Luke-Jumeau-52853) (11-3) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/usa.gif Dominique Steele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkan_Mokhtarian) (14-8) (Welterweight)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/japan.gif Kiichi Kunimoto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiichi_Kunimoto) (18-6-2) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/usa.gif Zak Ottow (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Zak-Ottow-100359) (14-4) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/usa.gif JJ Aldrich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JJ_Aldrich) (4-2) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/southkorea.gif Chan-Mi Jeon (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/ChanMi-Jeon-128633) (5-0) (Women's Strawweight)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/france.gif Thibault Gouti (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Thibault-Gouti-124975) (11-3) vs. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/Flags/southkorea.gif Dong Hyun Kim (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dong-Hyun-Kim-21673) (14-8-3) (Lightweight)

Other

- Joseph Benavidez was expected to face Ben Nguyen at the event. However, Benavidez pulled out of the fight citing injury on May 10. Benavidez was replaced by Tim Elliott on May 11.

- Warlley Alves was expected to face Kiichi Kunimoto, but pulled out on May 18 due to an undisclosed injury and was replaced by Zak Ottow on May 18.

- Nadia Kassem was scheduled to face JJ Aldrich, but pulled out on May 31 and was replaced by fellow newcomer Chan-Mi Jeon on May 31.

Thanks to the Puertorican for letting me use this content (https://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/1150868/UFC_FN_110:_Lewis_vs._Hunt.html)


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on June 06, 2017, 02:51:15 AM
Derrick Lewis is the slight favorite here at 1.86 at Nitrogen, although the lines opened close at almost 50/50.  I wish I made the bet during the opening as this could go to Lewis' favor more as we come close to the day of the event.

And I'd like to see Lewis fight a top 5 HW, specifically Overeem, then go for the title.

Anyway, here are a couple of videos from their past fights.  Enjoy.  :)

Fight Night Auckland Free Fight: Mark Hunt vs Roy Nelson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOQeE1eU4k

Fight Night Auckland Free Fight: Derrick Lewis vs Ruan Potts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD3khaPxGa0


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Esphere.in on June 06, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
I saw a podcast with Mark Hunt as he is pissed with the UFC and his last loss against Overeem he says that the UFC allowed him to use IV before the fight and he says it is cheating as he thinks it is not a level playing field with IV and lets not forget his law suite against Brock lesnar ,if things going with his out side life i doubt whether he will be focused enough to fight Lewis,it will be a good fight and i like to pick Hunt to knock Lewis out.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on June 06, 2017, 08:04:45 PM
It will be a fun fight between two of the toughest heavy weights in the division and both have serious knock out power,there is a bit of a cardio problem for Lewis as i usually see i him fade at a later rounds but i was impressed by the way he defeated Travis Browne even after getting hurt with his kicks he came back and knocked Travis out and against the king of walk out knock outs ,it is going to be fire works.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: gabmen on June 07, 2017, 12:25:32 PM
Mark hunt's always been fun to watch though i didn't think he'd be a title contender considering the talent at the top of the heavy weight division. This would be entertaining to watch though with two very tough strikers going at it and i think the super samoan would ko lewis early :D


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: bbc.reporter on June 08, 2017, 12:50:33 AM
@gabmen. Derrick Lewis is on a roll while Mark Hunt's record has some losses in it for the last 2 years. There is no reason for that to change. Derrick will beat Hunt and on he will go to his quest for a chance to fight for the championship.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: pereira4 on June 09, 2017, 03:09:54 PM
I saw a podcast with Mark Hunt as he is pissed with the UFC and his last loss against Overeem he says that the UFC allowed him to use IV before the fight and he says it is cheating as he thinks it is not a level playing field with IV and lets not forget his law suite against Brock lesnar ,if things going with his out side life i doubt whether he will be focused enough to fight Lewis,it will be a good fight and i like to pick Hunt to knock Lewis out.

It's clear that Overeem is not natural, or at least he wasn't for lots of years, he looked like a damn bodybuilder, it's clear he was cheating. Not sure about now. What is IV?

Anyway Mark Hunt is an hero. He's the thorougher guy on the UFC ever.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on June 09, 2017, 07:46:59 PM
It's clear that Overeem is not natural, or at least he wasn't for lots of years, he looked like a damn bodybuilder, it's clear he was cheating. Not sure about now. What is IV?

IV is IntraVenous.

Its what they call the bag full of fluid MMA fighters used to IntraVenously inject through their veins to re-hydrate themselves after cutting weight.

IV's were banned after USADA random testing/out-of-competition testing went into effect as the plastic can be used to mask the deliver of PED's to a limited degree. The plastic bag the IV is made of can be detected via testing. In the past athletes put PED's in IV bags that's the reason USADA objects to it.

Its normal for hospitals/healthcare to use an IV on someone who is severely dehydrated/sick. Overeem using one probably isn't as major an issue as some are making it out to be.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on June 10, 2017, 06:19:00 AM
Here's the weigh ins  for the event.  The main event of this one is decent among the non-PPV events.  I'm not too excited about the rest of the matches tho.   

UFC Fight Night Auckland: Official Weigh-in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhVTvY81ebo

Weigh in results

Derrick Lewis (265) vs. Mark Hunt (265)
Derek Brunson (186) vs. Daniel Kelly (186)
Dan Hooker (156) vs. Ross Pearson (155)
Ion Cutelaba (204) vs. Henrique da Silva (206)
Tim Elliott (126) vs. Ben Nguyen (126)
Mizuto Hirota (146) vs. Alex Volkanovski (145)
Damien Brown (155) vs. Vinc Pichel (156)
Luke Jumeau (170) vs. Dominique Steele (170.5)
Ashkan Mokhtarian (125) vs. John Moraga (126)
Kiichi Kunimoto (170) vs. Zak Ottow (171)
J.J. Aldrich (116) vs. Chan-Mi Jeon (118)
Thibault Gouti (154) vs. Dong Hyun Kim (155)


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: notserp on June 10, 2017, 09:03:01 AM
at current odds im liking

hunt
kelly
nguyen



Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 10, 2017, 01:27:00 PM
The Black Beast (Lewis) is going to win this by KO in round 3. That's my prediction any way, looking forward to the fight :)


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: krach on June 10, 2017, 03:20:01 PM
https://degenbet.com/ufc-fight-night-auckland-lewis-vs-hunt/ (https://degenbet.com/ufc-fight-night-auckland-lewis-vs-hunt/)
Hunt
Kim
Kim vs. Goutti under 1.5

Also like: Kelly vs. Brunson under 2.5  and Mortega




Have a quick run down of who Hunt lost to: Overeem (via knee), Werdum (via flying knee)(ex-champ), Mitoic (champ), JDS (ex-champ)
Lewis has been doing great, but have a look- he is often tired and totaly gassed, look at the level of people he has been fighting in fighter IQ and in overall MMA skills vs. who Hunt has fought. Think Hunt is done and not moditvated? Not this time, in his back yard.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Clement Kaliyar on June 10, 2017, 03:50:38 PM
Have a quick run down of who Hunt lost to: Overeem (via knee), Werdum (via flying knee)(ex-champ), Mitoic (champ), JDS (ex-champ)
Lewis has been doing great, but have a look- he is often tired and totaly gassed, look at the level of people he has been fighting in fighter IQ and in overall MMA skills vs. who Hunt has fought. Think Hunt is done and not moditvated? Not this time, in his back yard.
This is going to be a brawl and who ever lands the first punch will win the fight,it is true that Lewis is having cardio issues and that will be the deciding factor in this battle,i do not see this fight going to a decision either and Hunt fighting in his home town will be motivated to get the win.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: pereira4 on June 10, 2017, 06:41:18 PM
It's clear that Overeem is not natural, or at least he wasn't for lots of years, he looked like a damn bodybuilder, it's clear he was cheating. Not sure about now. What is IV?

IV is IntraVenous.

Its what they call the bag full of fluid MMA fighters used to IntraVenously inject through their veins to re-hydrate themselves after cutting weight.

IV's were banned after USADA random testing/out-of-competition testing went into effect as the plastic can be used to mask the deliver of PED's to a limited degree. The plastic bag the IV is made of can be detected via testing. In the past athletes put PED's in IV bags that's the reason USADA objects to it.

Its normal for hospitals/healthcare to use an IV on someone who is severely dehydrated/sick. Overeem using one probably isn't as major an issue as some are making it out to be.

To my knowledge, wasn't Overeem caught with testosterone or something? He just didn't look natural. The way he bulked in a few years was too impressive, and too cut. It's not like he was wearing extra fat to make the cut, he was all muscle, like a bodybuilder. That look specially in a tall guy is very hard to achieve naturally.

After his comeback he looks more natural but you never know because steroids are very addictive.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on June 10, 2017, 10:26:01 PM
To my knowledge, wasn't Overeem caught with testosterone or something? He just didn't look natural. The way he bulked in a few years was too impressive, and too cut. It's not like he was wearing extra fat to make the cut, he was all muscle, like a bodybuilder. That look specially in a tall guy is very hard to achieve naturally.

After his comeback he looks more natural but you never know because steroids are very addictive.

Its tough to know if someone is using steroids by their physical appearance.

James Toney(from boxing) and Josh Barnett aren't cut and both tested positive for steroids in their careers.

Its much easier for professional fighters and athletes to develop good physiques they get paid to lift weights & eat healthy food as their profession.

Overeem did test positive for elevated testosterone. Then I think he quit lifting weights when he moved to train out of greg jackson's gym and has gotten smaller since.

I couldn't say whether Reem or anyone else uses steroids with 100% certainty.

To be honest I don't even know how accurate the testosterone test is, there are natural foods that boost or lower testosterone levels. One example of a food that could lower testosterone is soy sauce.

Examples of foods that might boost testosterone:

  • Pomegranate.
  • Olive Oil.
  • Oysters.
  • Coconut.
  • Cruciferous Vegetables.
  • Whey Protein.
  • Garlic.

Etcetera.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: eaLiTy on June 11, 2017, 05:47:06 AM
I couldn't say whether Reem or anyone else uses steroids with 100% certainty.
To be honest I don't even know how accurate the testosterone test is, there are natural foods that boost or lower testosterone levels. One example of a food that could lower testosterone is soy sauce.
Examples of foods that might boost testosterone:
The problem remains that it is hard to catch the cheaters,no one would have believed Lance Armstrong was a serial cheater until it was revealed and that was the case with all the athletes involved in the BALCO scandal,one thing is sure that the Reem lost a lot of muscle after the introduction of USADA and the food you mentioned have a level of increase and on testing only drastic change will be noted,which is not normal.
As expected Hunt knocked out Lewis as his weakness of not having a gas tank to last four rounds was evident in the fight.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Mbokani on June 11, 2017, 05:56:09 AM
I have seen two matches Derrick Lewis calling out and losing the match,i remember he calling out Matt Mitrione and getting knocked out cold in the first minute or so and now he called out Mark Hunt and getting knocked out in the fourth round,i think he is yet to get to the top five level and his cardio is the issue he has to sort to be successful.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: krach on June 11, 2017, 03:56:33 PM
What a let down that the kim fight was canceled.

Did Black Beast look a little like DADA 5000 in the 3rd and 4th?  :D ;D



Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: DeathAngel on June 11, 2017, 04:16:01 PM
Hunt wins by TKO, the black beast tired in the 3rd & 4th, he just couldn't continue. Congratulations to Hunt who proved to be a worthy winner, I enjoyed the fight.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: pereira4 on June 11, 2017, 05:32:30 PM
To my knowledge, wasn't Overeem caught with testosterone or something? He just didn't look natural. The way he bulked in a few years was too impressive, and too cut. It's not like he was wearing extra fat to make the cut, he was all muscle, like a bodybuilder. That look specially in a tall guy is very hard to achieve naturally.

After his comeback he looks more natural but you never know because steroids are very addictive.

Its tough to know if someone is using steroids by their physical appearance.

James Toney(from boxing) and Josh Barnett aren't cut and both tested positive for steroids in their careers.

Its much easier for professional fighters and athletes to develop good physiques they get paid to lift weights & eat healthy food as their profession.

Overeem did test positive for elevated testosterone. Then I think he quit lifting weights when he moved to train out of greg jackson's gym and has gotten smaller since.

I couldn't say whether Reem or anyone else uses steroids with 100% certainty.

To be honest I don't even know how accurate the testosterone test is, there are natural foods that boost or lower testosterone levels. One example of a food that could lower testosterone is soy sauce.

Examples of foods that might boost testosterone:

  • Pomegranate.
  • Olive Oil.
  • Oysters.
  • Coconut.
  • Cruciferous Vegetables.
  • Whey Protein.
  • Garlic.

Etcetera.

Look at Overeem's progression over time:

https://i.imgur.com/hiyXTcD.jpg

He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.

His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: krach on June 11, 2017, 06:17:31 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCD0c-LWsAAlMMN.jpg:large
boom


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: notserp on June 11, 2017, 06:57:23 PM
nice hit i missed my parlays because i had kelly lol


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: megynacuna on June 11, 2017, 08:25:30 PM
Congratulations Mark Hunt, happy to see you win again especially by TKO, age is indeed a number and I bet fighting is written all over your DNA. You guys sold a great and memorable fight.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on June 11, 2017, 08:29:45 PM
The problem remains that it is hard to catch the cheaters,no one would have believed Lance Armstrong was a serial cheater until it was revealed and that was the case with all the athletes involved in the BALCO scandal,one thing is sure that the Reem lost a lot of muscle after the introduction of USADA and the food you mentioned have a level of increase and on testing only drastic change will be noted,which is not normal.
As expected Hunt knocked out Lewis as his weakness of not having a gas tank to last four rounds was evident in the fight.

Reem lost muscle due to him moving to train out of greg jackson's gym & that gym not being a big believer in lifting weights.?

Look at Overeem's progression over time:

https://i.imgur.com/hiyXTcD.jpg

He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.

His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.

His gains aren't that impressive. He's a professional athlete. His job is to lift weights, use supplements and eat the healthiest things he can find.

Overeem's bulking up is impressive for people who lift weights once or twice a month & are too busy working to train much.

Jon Jones gains were about as impressive and he did it after USADA went into effect.

https://i.imgur.com/qg9fMlT.jpg


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on June 12, 2017, 08:21:40 AM

:0

I think that's the first time I've ever seen someone hit an 8 game parlay.  Nice win!  Are you a wizard?  ;D

Btw, is your Degenbet Telegram account still on or are you fully focused on your paid service now?

https://i.imgur.com/CkTiDKR.jpg


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Mang86 on June 12, 2017, 09:19:41 AM
Very impressive! Congratulations on your win. Can you please tell us your secret? :D


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: pereira4 on June 12, 2017, 12:44:29 PM
The problem remains that it is hard to catch the cheaters,no one would have believed Lance Armstrong was a serial cheater until it was revealed and that was the case with all the athletes involved in the BALCO scandal,one thing is sure that the Reem lost a lot of muscle after the introduction of USADA and the food you mentioned have a level of increase and on testing only drastic change will be noted,which is not normal.
As expected Hunt knocked out Lewis as his weakness of not having a gas tank to last four rounds was evident in the fight.

Reem lost muscle due to him moving to train out of greg jackson's gym & that gym not being a big believer in lifting weights.?

Look at Overeem's progression over time:

https://i.imgur.com/hiyXTcD.jpg

He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.

His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.

His gains aren't that impressive. He's a professional athlete. His job is to lift weights, use supplements and eat the healthiest things he can find.

Overeem's bulking up is impressive for people who lift weights once or twice a month & are too busy working to train much.

Jon Jones gains were about as impressive and he did it after USADA went into effect.

https://i.imgur.com/qg9fMlT.jpg

Dude Overeem got caught with steroids, then after he came back his gains just weren't there. It was obvious he was cheating. His physique was too big and conditioned to be natural.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2019689-bas-rutten-alistair-overeem-started-losing-once-he-stopped-using-steroids

Read this Bas Rutten interview and you will see.


http://cdn.lowkickmma.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/FotorCreated-31.jpg

Notice the difference.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: krach on June 12, 2017, 03:34:26 PM
I do post in the degensignals public chat picks but maybe not everyday.
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Just send me a pm for degensignals VIP with parlays, props, and more picks than I put on my site degenbet.com (http://degenbet.com)
Sometimes I have last min picks based on the weigh ins or other factors.



re: Kelly
I almost bet kelly but decided the under 2.5 was better value, if kelly made it past round 1 then he could have subbed brunson imo.
From a fan perspective I like Kelly, he is a great story and always suprises, but he has no head movement really. That is what happens when you learn one martial art a lot and then try to get into MMA. There is one really strong area and one really weak area. People that have some kind of striking background learn quickly that they have to move their head and that the head is not a punching bag.

re: PED ect
It doesnt matter if you are in favor or against people using PED. They are using whatever they can use and not get caught and not risk their health. This is in all pro sports in any pro level. It is a game of inches and if you can get a small edge most people try to. How much it helps in fighting? It is hard to say, it helps in recovery time so they can train harder and heal faster, sure they are stronger but that alone doesnt do anything for your tech, fighting IQ, or heart. Just asume everyone is on some form of PED, it could be legal, grey or totaly against the rule, but all fighters are on something. Maybe not Hunt or Nelson but who knows.



Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on June 13, 2017, 10:08:01 PM
@krach that was an impressive parlay win,since you are talking about PED usage,my take on this is that those fighters must be banned for life,they are making huge risks by allowing people to take all the juice and then compete ,it is not fair against the spirit of the match.,we need a level playing field for everyone.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on June 14, 2017, 06:10:35 AM
Look at Overeem's progression over time:

https://i.imgur.com/hiyXTcD.jpg

He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.

His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.

I think anyone could look like Overeem if they quit their day job and were paid to lift weights, have healthy lifestyle habits and eat healthy food full time everyday on a consistent basis. There's nothing really out of the ordinary there. Everyone would look like that if everyone lifted weights full time with the goal of bulking up.

Those bulky muscles Overeem had were good for kickboxing but bad for wrestling/grappling cardio in MMA. That's why Overeem slimmed down. Overeem couldn't last 3 rounds with those heavy muscles as his fight with Bigfoot Silva showed. After Overeem slimmed down he had no trouble lasting 3 rounds. A lot of other MMA fighters have undergone similar transformations where they needed to slim down and lose muscle mass to maintain cardio.



Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: pereira4 on June 14, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
Look at Overeem's progression over time:

https://i.imgur.com/hiyXTcD.jpg

He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.

His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.

I think anyone could look like Overeem if they quit their day job and were paid to lift weights, have healthy lifestyle habits and eat healthy food full time everyday on a consistent basis. There's nothing really out of the ordinary there. Everyone would look like that if everyone lifted weights full time with the goal of bulking up.

Those bulky muscles Overeem had were good for kickboxing but bad for wrestling/grappling cardio in MMA. That's why Overeem slimmed down. Overeem couldn't last 3 rounds with those heavy muscles as his fight with Bigfoot Silva showed. After Overeem slimmed down he had no trouble lasting 3 rounds. A lot of other MMA fighters have undergone similar transformations where they needed to slim down and lose muscle mass to maintain cardio.



I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.

You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: joshy23 on June 14, 2017, 06:24:19 PM
Look at Overeem's progression over time:

https://i.imgur.com/hiyXTcD.jpg

He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.

His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.

I think anyone could look like Overeem if they quit their day job and were paid to lift weights, have healthy lifestyle habits and eat healthy food full time everyday on a consistent basis. There's nothing really out of the ordinary there. Everyone would look like that if everyone lifted weights full time with the goal of bulking up.

Those bulky muscles Overeem had were good for kickboxing but bad for wrestling/grappling cardio in MMA. That's why Overeem slimmed down. Overeem couldn't last 3 rounds with those heavy muscles as his fight with Bigfoot Silva showed. After Overeem slimmed down he had no trouble lasting 3 rounds. A lot of other MMA fighters have undergone similar transformations where they needed to slim down and lose muscle mass to maintain cardio.



I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.

You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.

LOL. It doesn't take a genius to see what Reem has put in the last several years. And I totally agree with you 100%. He's body is screaming for steroids. The delts says its all, I haven't seen natural with delts popping out like Reem does. So for me he is a steroids abuser and has likely tapered off because of the current testing.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: pereira4 on June 14, 2017, 10:50:11 PM
Look at Overeem's progression over time:

https://i.imgur.com/hiyXTcD.jpg

He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.

His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.

I think anyone could look like Overeem if they quit their day job and were paid to lift weights, have healthy lifestyle habits and eat healthy food full time everyday on a consistent basis. There's nothing really out of the ordinary there. Everyone would look like that if everyone lifted weights full time with the goal of bulking up.

Those bulky muscles Overeem had were good for kickboxing but bad for wrestling/grappling cardio in MMA. That's why Overeem slimmed down. Overeem couldn't last 3 rounds with those heavy muscles as his fight with Bigfoot Silva showed. After Overeem slimmed down he had no trouble lasting 3 rounds. A lot of other MMA fighters have undergone similar transformations where they needed to slim down and lose muscle mass to maintain cardio.



I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.

You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.

LOL. It doesn't take a genius to see what Reem has put in the last several years. And I totally agree with you 100%. He's body is screaming for steroids. The delts says its all, I haven't seen natural with delts popping out like Reem does. So for me he is a steroids abuser and has likely tapered off because of the current testing.

The massive traps are also a giveaway. Some people have amazing deltoid genetics tho, and can reach popping delts naturally, but the overal package on Overeem, with that 6'4'' frame, points to roid usage.

Notice on the other pic I posted, left steroids, right natural, looks clear to me.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on June 15, 2017, 03:08:47 AM
I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.

You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.

Have you ever seen a picture of Bruce Lee flexing his muscles with his shirt off? Do you think Bruce Lee used steroids & that someone could only have a body like Bruce Lee if they abused performance enhancing drugs? I tend to think that anyone could look like Bruce Lee did, without using PED's if they were willing to work as hard and be as disciplined as Bruce Lee was.

The tendency people have to assume people don't have to work hard to have a good physique and that anyone who is shredded does PED's doesn't make much sense to me. I've known a lot of people that were shredded that never did steroids. Its bizarre to me how people think they can tell whether someone is using steroids or not simply by looking at someone.

James Toney and Josh Barnett both tested positive for steroids. Neither of those guys is abnormally shredded or bulky.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: pereira4 on June 15, 2017, 01:03:06 PM
I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.

You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.

Have you ever seen a picture of Bruce Lee flexing his muscles with his shirt off? Do you think Bruce Lee used steroids & that someone could only have a body like Bruce Lee if they abused performance enhancing drugs? I tend to think that anyone could look like Bruce Lee did, without using PED's if they were willing to work as hard and be as disciplined as Bruce Lee was.

The tendency people have to assume people don't have to work hard to have a good physique and that anyone who is shredded does PED's doesn't make much sense to me. I've known a lot of people that were shredded that never did steroids. Its bizarre to me how people think they can tell whether someone is using steroids or not simply by looking at someone.

James Toney and Josh Barnett both tested positive for steroids. Neither of those guys is abnormally shredded or bulky.

Dude are you serious? Bruce Lee was what, 130 lbs?

Bruce Lee was short and had a small frame. Sure he had fantastic muscle insertions and a great metabolism, his body looked great in picture and film, but Overeem is massive and would dwarf Bruce Lee in real life.

The point here is: Overeem in those pictures was both conditioned AND massive in a 6'4'' frame. It is then reasonable to suspect steroid usage.
Sure, you still need to work hard to look like that even on steroids, but the point is... you aren't going to reach that look without the steroids as a big guy.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: krach on June 16, 2017, 01:55:19 PM
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@krach that was an impressive parlay win,since you are talking about PED usage,my take on this is that those fighters must be banned for life,they are making huge risks by allowing people to take all the juice and then compete ,it is not fair against the spirit of the match.,we need a level playing field for everyone.

Maybe, but what qualifies as a PED? What is the limit? Everyone will always push the limits everytime in all sports.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: pereira4 on June 20, 2017, 02:21:39 PM
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@krach that was an impressive parlay win,since you are talking about PED usage,my take on this is that those fighters must be banned for life,they are making huge risks by allowing people to take all the juice and then compete ,it is not fair against the spirit of the match.,we need a level playing field for everyone.

Maybe, but what qualifies as a PED? What is the limit? Everyone will always push the limits everytime in all sports.


The rules change all the time. What is now considered legal or unlisted will be listed in the future as illegal. I think a lot of dominating athletes are helped by "enhancements" that have a legal loophole and they continue dominating for their entire careers, then those substances get banned later on, and some never get caught until they retire like Armstrong.


Title: Re: UFC FN 110: Lewis vs Hunt Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: OliynyK on June 20, 2017, 03:21:51 PM
The rules change all the time. What is now considered legal or unlisted will be listed in the future as illegal. I think a lot of dominating athletes are helped by "enhancements" that have a legal loophole and they continue dominating for their entire careers, then those substances get banned later on, and some never get caught until they retire like Armstrong.
The case with Armstrong is entirely different,he was doing these sort of things on a different level,he used to replace his entire blood and replace it with fresh blood and those of sophisticated methods were used by him to avoid getting caught and it is another level of malpractice,the loopholes are closing down and Olympic level testing could catch everything.