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Title: [2017-06-05] Forget far-right populism – crypto-anarchists are the new masters
Post by: DooMAD on June 05, 2017, 08:27:08 AM
Interesting article (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/04/forget-far-right-populism-crypto-anarchists-are-the-new-masters-internet-politics) on how both commerce and politics may be affected by us and what we're doing here.  It's quite long, so if you don't want to read the whole thing, the main points were;

For commerce:

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Digital technology, like bitcoin, is a disruptive force of decentralisation. It tears down settled hierarchical organisations and builds new networked ones (although, like Facebook, they can sometimes end up becoming very centralised too). Social media is “many to many” communication, rather than “one to many” broadcast. “Sharing economy” companies such as Uber and Airbnb are all about linking people and assets via smartphones. Even the internet itself is designed to be distributed, borderless and difficult to control.

That decentralising force is sweeping through society and economies and the affects are difficult to predict. The most fun to be had at Parallel Polis was guessing which industries would be “Ubered” next – that is, transformed into a peer-to-peer industry conducted on an app. Several companies are already monetising unused assets: borrowing cars (RelayRides), daily tasks (TaskRabbit), lending bikes (Liquid), lending money (Lending Club), home wifi (Fon) and even clothes (Neighborgoods). The conclusion at Parallel Polis – and indeed in Silicon Valley – is that any industry that takes a cut of a deal between two people or holds fixed assets that can be provided informally will be soon “Ubered”, because smartphones link buyers and sellers directly. Personally, I think estate agents might be next.


And for wider politics as a whole:

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At some point, and probably sooner than we think, the current left and right offerings of the major parties, including (perhaps especially) the populist, will start to appear ludicrous and unworkable. New political movements and ideas will arrive before long for this industrial revolution, especially once the majority of the population will soon have grown up online. It will be a politics that offers solutions to the challenges society will face, and be bold enough to steer technology rather than be led by it, to harness it rather than dismiss it, to see it as a motor of social change, not just a job maker. Perhaps there will be some back-to-the-earth, off-grid thinking reminiscent of the 1970s. (There are already small hints of it if you look in the right places: bricks through Google bus windows and digital detox days). I’m not sure. More likely is that groups like the Prague crypto-anarchists, who will embrace the changes and experiment with entirely new forms of governance and society, will emerge. After all, they were right about digital technology, about surveillance and bitcoin and most of us ignored them. And for better of worse, I think they’re probably right about this too.


Full article:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/04/forget-far-right-populism-crypto-anarchists-are-the-new-masters-internet-politics


Title: Re: [2017-06-05] Forget far-right populism – crypto-anarchists are the new masters
Post by: Scorpion on June 05, 2017, 08:37:49 AM

Very interesting observation with the peer-to-peer apps revolutionizing the job market. One day these apps will be paying in BTC, ETH, LTC, ETC, XMR, XRP etc...


Title: Re: [2017-06-05] Forget far-right populism – crypto-anarchists are the new masters
Post by: Carlton Banks on June 05, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
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At some point, and probably sooner than we think, the current left and right offerings of the major parties, including (perhaps especially) the populist, will start to appear ludicrous and unworkable. New political movements and ideas will arrive before long for this industrial revolution, especially once the majority of the population will soon have grown up online.


Not sure how The Guardian can take themselves seriously publishing this.

The Guardian has been a leading voice in promoting the politics of control, but the nice control, where the controllers are just looking out for your best interests, because they're so smart (and implicitly, you're not smart and don't know what's good for you)


As soon as all this less-than-subtle anti-liberal rhetoric, such as:

  • The "neo-liberalism" euphemism (it's called corporate-governmental collusion, aka fascism you fucking sycophants)
  • The "top-down socialism only works when it's done 101% by the nicest & most ideologically uncompromising socialists" BS
  • Subtly supporting at least 2 hostile takeovers of Bitcoin, by way of editorial policy (they published one side only of the blocksize debate, no information about the people running the Bitcoin project ever appeared in The Guardian)

......but until then, these people have no place trying to make an ostentatious show of bathing themselves in the glow of Cryptoanarchy virtue. When it comes to the real meat and potatoes of the issue, they've got Facebook, Google and Amazon to bow down to, who are having none of it.


Title: Re: [2017-06-05] Forget far-right populism – crypto-anarchists are the new masters
Post by: cr1776 on June 05, 2017, 05:31:36 PM
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At some point, and probably sooner than we think, the current left and right offerings of the major parties, including (perhaps especially) the populist, will start to appear ludicrous and unworkable. New political movements and ideas will arrive before long for this industrial revolution, especially once the majority of the population will soon have grown up online.


Not sure how The Guardian can take themselves seriously publishing this.

The Guardian has been a leading voice in promoting the politics of control, but the nice control, where the controllers are just looking out for your best interests, because they're so smart (and implicitly, you're not smart and don't know what's good for you)


As soon as all this less-than-subtle anti-liberal rhetoric, such as:

  • The "neo-liberalism" euphemism (it's called corporate-governmental collusion, aka fascism you fucking sycophants)
  • The "top-down socialism only works when it's done 101% by the nicest & most ideologically uncompromising socialists" BS
  • Subtly supporting at least 2 hostile takeovers of Bitcoin, by way of editorial policy (they published one side only of the blocksize debate, no information about the people running the Bitcoin project ever appeared in The Guardian)

......but until then, these people have no place trying to make an ostentatious show of bathing themselves in the glow of Cryptoanarchy virtue. When it comes to the real meat and potatoes of the issue, they've got Facebook, Google and Amazon to bow down to, who are having none of it.

My thoughts were quite similar.  The "unworkable" position is the authoritarians who are primarily on the left - the fascist, socialist, communists and anyone else who want to control "the masses" - because they can spend your money better than you can and know what you need to do/buy better than you do.  The top-down approach is incompatible with a free world.  Or at least that is what they want people to believe when they really just want control and power.


Title: Re: [2017-06-05] Forget far-right populism – crypto-anarchists are the new masters
Post by: Carlton Banks on June 05, 2017, 06:32:44 PM
Concurred, cr1776

I don't even mind socialism, as an ideology. If people choose it, cool. I probably wouldn't, but there are ideas from socialism that can be applied to business models that are actually pragmatic and produce desirable outcomes, at least for those that want that.

But The Guardian subtly supports authoritarianism masked in socialism, using "expert authority" as their psychological attack vector. They do it with socialism, and the planned climate change tax totalitarianism, and yet simultaneously support the neo-fascist technology corporations (with mysterious lack of revenue or profit and strangely high stock valuations), and write unashamed reviews of the latest Range Rover in their weekend editions.  

The Guardian's definition of liberalism is no different to that of the Donald Trumps, Robert Mugabes and the Victor Orbans of this world: you can have freedom, if we deem you worthy of it. The only difference is that The Guardian choose a different elite, for different reasons.