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Apparently, these people are so helpful, they decided to relieve the church of things to clean....

https://www.facebook.com/dutertekamiph/posts/1428121793892535

I have seen this video yesterday. These thieves burned the church after destroying everything inside it.

It's a big audacity to impose the "religion of peace" radicalism in a country where more than 90% of the population are christians.

Philipines must not accept this kind of practice that already became common in Europe.

We will not. They can't outbred us like they're doing against the Europeans. This will be a long drawn fight...

Christians and Roman Catholics are the same.

Its part of the rituals of the extremist. You gotta see what they believed in because they justify all these by the writings of their scriptures. Its even written in the Christian bibles too that Idolatry is abomination. Creating images to liken it to God is abomination to Christians and to Muslims.

ISIS branches are salafi totalitarian sect, they are not muslims.

That's true. That is why we call them extremist. They exaggerate all those written in the scriptures to justify their wrong doings. While real Muslims don't pray over to any idols, extremist destroys idols including the houses of Idols.

The news says their leaders already have bounties for their heads. Not in BTC though.

i guess these group really just seeking for attention they just wanted people around to really get mad and create more hatred, we as people around this country not needed to be affected as we knew our government will solve this problem there's no need to create tension between religions because those people doing this are no longer believe in it.

There is a long list what not fit in Quran and things in direct contradiction with Quran.
This is a totalitarian sect.

It's not the same these days. Catholics and Protestants don't enter other's temples, churchs to burn and destroy it. Who is doing it are the muslims. You can think idolatry to images is abomination, but it doesn't give you the right to kill people who thinks the opposite or to destroy their places.


Is there any moderate muslim? Maybe so... But seems they are the minority. And it's not me who am saying this, it's this Imam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRPzkB5mr1U

"Heated argument erupts as Australia's Muslim leaders address Manchester attack"

He says it's really hard to be a moderate muslim in Islam religion and that their scriptures really teach how to decapitate infidels and make they suffer!

If you look at different religions of the world, then everyone can believe or not believe, or believe in their own way. But what concerns Muslims and their religion of Islam, there is no more or less. There one can have only a strong Faith or obey the measure in which their people welcome.

This dude is not Imam, he is a jerk.
Check in e Australian National Imams Council or its South Australian equivalent.
http://www.anic.org.au/find-your-local-imam/

Thanks,  but we'll just continue to consider them as the muslims they say they are.

You're welcome to go erase them then there won't be an issue as to what they are, but until then, Islam owns them.

Why is he a jerk? Because he exposes some disgusting facts about his own religion?

He is surely hated by the majority parcel of muslims, and that is a good proof about how hard is to be moderate in Islam religion, you don't win positive points by delating terrorists to authorities in this religion, but by hiding and keeping them.

If he isn't officially considerated an Imam doesn't mean he isn't one. There are many internal conflits among themselves. I just thought interesting to see this Imam saying something different and daring, different from the same bla bla bla the other muslims and Imans always say after an attack.

As he isn't on that site, here is his: http://www.tawhidi.com/?page_id=2503

All that we westerners need to know about this dude is in this statement from your link:

Imam Tawhidi considers all those listed in the list of terrorist organizations as terrorists. He also encourages Muslim men and women to join the police force and to stand and speak up against acts of violence committed in the name of Islam.

If they are not muslims, then what are they, Most muslim clerics support what they are doing as long as they are doing it to the western world. They are clearly muslims and are as violent as the Quran tell them to be. They should prove otherwise by their actions.

If they are able to do that, then it tells us that something is wrong with the non-Muslim religions, right? Islamists are conducting attacks against non-Muslims even in countries where they are only around 5% of the population. Can you even imagine a similar attack against a mosque in a country, where 95% of the population is Muslim?

It's going to be a hard thing to stop, it's just that they have no respect for other religions anymore and that's what they firmly believe. Knowing that they have the money, guns, and other things that are illegal, they could've gotten it from the ISIS. They probably assisted them with their firearms and probably helped them do it and probably trained them (if they are like that). It's a matter of time that the military would regain back it's peace in Marawi.

I guess the biggest audacity here is actually worshipping figurine's that the people view as gods when they're not really gods they're simple statues made in stone or wood, because of this so called religions people became so blind in what is right and wrong they are willing to worship anything as long as their corrupted priest or pedophile priest tell them that it is all right to worship these figurine while these so called priest's sits on the pile of cash donated by their solid followers of their corrupted organized religion.
This people idiotic people who prioritize their religion more than humanity are simply what we called puppets unable to think if the religion their worshipping is really right and legit. Religions are just big fat scams.

All I can say is that if you are a Roman Catholic devotee, then you will get offended by what these people are doing. On the other hand, for non-catholic Christian denomination, these statues mean nothing, because of the fact that they don't worship these statues.

I have no doubt that the army will seize control of Marawi. But what after that? There are a lot of Muslim majority areas in the Philippines, especially in the island of Mindanao. If one rebellion is suppressed, then another one is going to breakout. The government should be looking at a permanent solution, rather than temporary patch-ups.

Did you just tried to justify their actions? Don't you know that both Orthodox and Catholic Christians still use religious images? This issue about images has long been resolved during Byzantine times with the aftermath of the Iconoclastic civil war.

What these people did is out of hate for Christians. If it just really is about the images, they wouldn't have burned down the church after this.


I'm quite ambivalent about images but I still find this disturbing, given that I live in the country. As the corny cliche goes, "it's the thought that counts". They did this out of spite, out of hate for every everything that is not their religion. This reminds me of the church attacks in Indonesia years ago.


LOL, I've even seen several videos of Muslim mobs attacking Christmas trees in different places in Europe. These people are crazy af.

I do not know why these people are like that, they do mot have any sense of being a human.  They wanted the ISIS terrorist to acknowledge them as overseas members.  Thay are incontrol and they are bunch of lunatics.  They do not have any respect at all.  Let say in their religion, images are prohibited, but should they be respectful?  We have different believes after all.  And we have one God that is watching us.  Sad that these people are not nice, the government should kill all these terrorist before they recruit more people.

Or perhaps you should educate yourself. Do know who is fighting ISIS on the ground? Hint: Its not secular westerners.

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2014/10/000_Nic6375832-1-e1412587223584.jpg

It is true, that ISIS is based around literal interpretation of some verses of Quran (while it ignores others), it is not true, that it represents muslims as whole. Otherwise, they wouldnt fight it, would they?


Did you ever read the bible or are you reffering to what communists believe is written in bible? Indeed, God himself is not shown in either scripture or churches as it would clash with basic idea, that he is omnipresent and omnipotent. However, images of his Son and other saints are common.

Destroying places of worship is abominable act in christianity, judaism and among moderate muslims.


That is true. Perhaps, though, the problem here is not with muslims, who defend their places of worship, but with us, "secularized" people, who are unwilling to defend even the basic pillars that shape our culture. Just a couple of generations ago, direct attack on church building would be unthinkable. People, who hate christians see tolerance as a weakness.

When the "moderate muslims" rebuild that church, please let us know.

Who is "us"? You? If you are believer, why dont you help yourself?

Muslim Kurds are beating back ISIS taking Raqqa as we speak next to christian Assyrians, while you are beating off behind your computer.


Government needs to take control of the money flow - same problem with drug cartels. As long as petrodollars of wahabbi from Arab gulf states will flow to the country, there will be enough radicals to pick up where somebody else left off.

There is really no other solution. Christian missionaires could risk it and convert some locals away from Islam - but it could backlash, hard to tell. Secular state terror doesnt really work, chinese and soviet communists left millions dead and thousands places of worship destroyed, yet they merely kept believers silent for several generations.

You don't need to convert them to any other religion. Just bring modern education to these people. Once they are educated, and they are able to understand the hypocrisy of the verses which are written in their own holy book, they will start rethinking about their blind allegiance to the faith.

The guys that are doing this are really crazy bastards who don't see themselves answerable to anyone. They can do this to christian churches or islamic mosques for all they care as long as it sows terror and fear among people. It's been done quite a number of times already by these extremists to mock people from other religion

Definitely not Islam (of headshots). I believe Islam (of headshots) is religion full of war and violence.

Been keeping a close watch on this and it seems it's nothing going to end soon. Duterte has said he'll get communists and Islamist groups to help, much to the chagrin of everyone here. The communists has been infamous for violating ceasefires and the particular Islamist group Duterte was talking with has razed a city before... just like what is happening now.


I don't think education is enough. Just look at those homegrown terrorists the have in Europe. The ideal is to ban religious schools. I have seen undercover videos of madrasas in Europe. They were sickening. I suppose they might be worse here in the Philippines where there are no inspections whatsoever. If they really want religious schools, then it should be for people 2-5 years above the legal age. That way, no one, of whatever religion, poisons the minds of children with intolerance.

On the one hand, perhaps this is correct, but on the other hand one must respect the choice and opinion of other people.

Correct?  On what point it was correct?  Have you seen the video?  Like what you said, one must respect the choice and opinion of other people, but in this case, they do not care at all.  All they want is to make war.  All they want is to do evil things.  They are out of their minds and would not think twice to kill anyone if they want to

They should all be hunted and hanged. Or have their bodies smashed like they did those statues. That the statues were destroyed was not what pissed me off. Many of those seem to be modern (none made of ivory) and replaceable.

What is infuriating is that they were shamelessly showing their disrespect for other's beliefs. It would be delicious if these guys end up being lynched by fellow Muslims because of what they did to the city. After all, it's a Muslim-majority city that they destroyed.

It's pretty simple.

You weren't at war with them.

But they are at war with you.

So you are saying that if someone want to join the Islamic State, then we should respect his decision and allow him to travel to Syria? He can do whatever he want, as long as he stays away from terrorism. But anyone sympathizing with the ISIS needs to be incinerated.

But the Christians you are not talking about are thought to respect other people's beliefs. They don't destroy mosque nor set it on fire. This is truly a great audacity for them to do this disgraceful things and very insulting. These terrorists are no longer in line with what they believe their vision or mission is but rather they are doing this aside from terrorizing people which is obvious but they do it so that they can control people with fear though it is not fear they felt but anger.

Too much tolerance being shown by the inhabitants of the western nations (especially those in the European Union) has created this issue in the first place. Some people don't understand the importance of democracy. Only dictatorship is suitable for such people. That is why most of the nations in the Middle East are being ruled by dictatorships.

I think it's not just about the government type but the mindset, the worldview of these people. Europeans keep denying it but it's irreconcilable with secularism. Go look up the documentary by Karen Armstrong, "The History of God" (same title as her book). The full video is on Youtube. The Islamic scholar interviewed went on to say something like "In Islam, religion and politics are intertwined. Religion pervades every aspect of society."

Now compare this with Europe where religion is not given much special favor and people are pretty much irreligious and you have a recipe for Clash of Civilizations (another interesting read, from Samuel Huntington).

Sigh, that would be it. I mean, there's really no satisfying these people. I doubt giving them every bit of land they want or believe to be theirs would make a difference. I'm sure the propaganda machine is heavily churning there. Some people there refer to these terrorists as their mujaheddin. Ugh.

I already watched that video on the television, now if they clean that mesh in the church I think it depend to their belief whether they are Muslim or what. BUt honestly, the things they did was impolite..

That's what happens when the unruly are powerful. Think about it, if someone who is unruly rules group of people, the people with different characteristics would experience on how the unruly person deal with things, and it will turn into violence. It's best to know what your standards are and believe in yourself so you would know what's right and wrong.

Europe guilty is in that it admits for itself such amount of refugees. And with their arrival there will be similar problems. To burn out a church it is an enormous sin and he will be punished.

religion does not define faith. Faith are those who believe in Him even without a particular religion

I think there is more things we should get to know

their just covering their evil doing by using words from Bible, to make them feel better, lying to themselves so that they wont feel bad doing what they are doing.

Of course there is a relationship between fate and god because people who do not believe in gods certainly do not believe in the existence of destiny

They are so called ISIS these days. They are fighting for their religion for nothing, they want everyone turn to muslim or else you will die by their hands that is what ISIS does.

damn what a world we are living in now, this terrorism must be banish from our world, too many innocent has becomes victims.

That's terrorism not because of religion.I am Christian but I don't believe that they did it because it is what was written in Quran. It's their greed that makes them monsters that kills.

It is easy to make all these politically correct statements. But the reality is something different. They are not greedy about anything. They don't want money or any luxuries. They are committing this violence just because they believe in the verses in Quran, which encourages the Muslims to exterminate the infidels.