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More info coming soon... www.presearch.io

I think you need more details.  ::)

Waiting for more news :D

nice website. how about transferring those details in the ANN?

I registered on this site for the sole purpose of following this. Too many times has Google been accused of rigging their search engine. We need something like this in our world. This could be the next best search engine. At the least it will make Google sweat. That being said, we need more information.

if you want succes in ico selling
you must detail this thread, spefication coin, plan project, roadmap, dev team and more

wow that sure is cutting things short! no PreANN , no ANN. no launch no nothing ! just buy these coins! fill your pockets with other peoples BTC and i doubt if even a thank you!

If this was a leaflet pushed through my door guess where it would go?

That's right, in the bin.

How many more supposedly professional people are gonna show up here with a business plan drawn on a fag packet? I mean seriously, what's going on? Where are you all coming from???

You people have no clue what it's like round here. Hundreds, if not thousands of coins have been announced, probably 95% of them were a scam.

What is this platform running on?
Do you have any source code to show?
Where is your business based?
Are the IPO funds being held in escrow?
Is there a timelock on them?
How do I earn money from this, mining, running a node?
Will you collect metadata from the searches?
If so, who will you sell it to, or share it with?
Etc, etc...

Would appreciate many answers just as this user would, thank you, ICO.

the details must be posted here, so that members need not to go to that site to view the details, i can sense that it's a good project but good project must bear those pertinent informations for those who are reading to get an understanding about the project.

Hi guys,

Sorry about the shortage of information!

Just uncrossing a couple of wires and will get the post updated shortly.

FYI, I'm the project lead and I'm looking forward to sharing and being part of the community...

Truthfully, I'm late to the party as far as decentralization / altcoins, etc., but have been in the local space for 17 years, wondering where the F all of my libertarian-minded, local-focused peers were...

Turns out you were here talking cryptocurrency and decentralization!

I always figured you needed to make the local marketplace first and then layer on the currency, but it seems like it's the other way around...

Anyway, looking forward to your questions and will do my best to answer...

Thanks!

Colin

waiting for more info, the switch from google to this

good to hear from you! do you have a twitter handle we can follow?
wish the project a great success!

Thanks, raven1322!

We'll be posting on www.twitter.com/decentralsearch - not much there yet, but it's coming.

Thanks, daddynexxus!

We too feel that it's a worthwhile endeavour. We've experienced firsthand through our other business how much power Google has, and how opaque they are. It's time to switch things up, and we believe we have a way to make it happen.

Prior to discovering cryptocurrency and exchange-traded altcoins a few months ago, I couldn't really see how it would be feasible, but now it's pretty clear to me and my team.

FYI, we're not new to the world of Bitcoin - we just didn't dive as deeply into it as we should have...

Here's an archived version of an announcement we did in 2013 about how we enabled merchants on our ShopCity.com platform to get paid in Bitcoin for instance:

http://web.archive.org/web/20140625225558/http://www.shopcity.com/blog/?postid=10000319

Looking forward to sharing more of our vision and plans with everyone!

Please add details info, such as platform, supply quantity, ICO time and most importantly team developer. Because I'm sure, investors will see a team of developers who can be trusted to invest the money.
Although detail all the information is on the official website, but it would be better if the show in this thread.

Sorry, NewWorldCoiner. Definitely had a mix-up here and certainly didn't intend for this to be our first impression.

You're right, we're definitely new and didn't realize there'd been so many scams...

I've read through a ton of posts for the past few weeks to get the lay of the land, but realize that is nothing compared to those of you who've built this place...

I come from a small town called Midland, in Ontario, Canada...

We locals call people from Toronto who just show up and think they own the place 'citiots'... Sucks that we've come across that way here! :|

I'll get you the exact details on the stack and source code tomorrow morning. I believe I know, but don't want to misspeak and lose more credibility.

Presearch is registered in Canada most of the team is in Canada and the US.

To be clear, this is not an IPO - it's simply a sale of tokens to customers.

We were not planning to hold funds in escrow, but would consider it.

Team tokens cannot be used for 3-6 months.

We recognize that this is a pretty massive undertaking.

We see the first stage being a fairly simple interface that leverages Google and other search engines to minimize resistance to switching to our search field.

I should mention that to start we are targeting desktop searchers, and particularly 'web workers' to start.

Users will be able to earn tokens (DSTs) for using the site (similar to the BAT model) and sharing it / referring people to it.

This stage will also incorporate a basic advertising platform that will enable advertisers to use DSTs to purchase unobtrusive keyword ads.

The next step is building out the full consensus model, enabling the community to guide the direction and features of the platform.

Members will be able to propose, vote on or fund projects, and devs will be compensated for their work, all with DSTs.

Ultimately, we believe the site will become a full search engine with its own index, but at this point there are a number of technologies we're waiting to be developed / proven that we'd need to make it fully decentralized.

To start, we believe that having an open, transparent search engine as an alternative would be a great step toward decentralizing the web.

This will be an open source project, and we can see it spawning a bunch of different search engines as people fork it for different purposes / niches.

At this point, we're looking for feedback and for people to poke holes in the logic so we can iterate.

And yes, we will collect metadata and have discussed a number of ways to make it available to participants.

I really miss the 'olden days' when you could get keyword data that was meaningful, before Google started blocking referrer info and when Google Analytics was Urchin.

Now it's just totally a black box and just about useless.

We'd like to change that and open things up...

Thanks for the great questions! I'll keep you posted on the technical answers.

Colin

Thank you, Coin_trader. We will get the information up in this thread ASAP.

is this an ETH token ico also ? is the ico to pay for the presearch investigation ?

Hi baby222,

Yes, it is an ethereum-based token.

Forgive me, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the presearch investigation. Could you let me know what you're thinking?

Thanks!

Colin

is this an ETH token ico also ? is the ico to pay for the presearch investigation ?

I have the same question!

Well played sir, you handled that well!

Didn't mean to sound harsh, but we see these sorts of announcements all the time. Generally, the poorer they are, the more they look like a scam. Plus, it's getting ridiculous with all these ICO's now, it's not good for the market.

Sounds interesting so far, I'll keep an eye on it.

Thank you, NewWorldCoiner! Appreciate you and others looking out for the community.

Question for everyone:

Should we take this post down and start fresh, or just edit the original post?

This wasn't the way it was planned to be announced, but there's been some valuable discussion here.

Appreciate your thoughts... Thanks!

Im not quite sure what it is with these Start-ups and launches all being on .io, but your putting big rocks in your way by going with anything other then .com, and im not even going to get started on the "presearch".

Seriously No offense intended but, what do you think will happen if (lets be creative and nice and say IF) you get the attention of Google? I wouldnt even want to "try" and imagine where else your going terrible wrong from the get go, Google is not just going to sit there and let you come along Grabbing a share of their Market, And youll be able to do little to nothing because you you underestimated their power and influence by a very.... very.... Very long shot. Your going up against the Probably most influential Company in the world, I personally think you need to think this one over and once done, please start with a .com... ;).

Hi 55Domains,

Appreciate the comment. Totally agree with you and love that you brought up the dot com!

This is the first time we've ever not used a dot com for a project.

In our ShopCity.com company, we actually own 8,000 .coms, including ShopBoston.com, ShopNewYork.com, ShopMiami.com, etc. that we are slowly building out in a franchise-like model.

For marketing purposes, if you're not running a .com or the CCTLD, you're at a huge disadvantage. Using anything less for real world marketing leaves you totally dependent on Google. And the leakage for a non-.com can be huge.

The example that stands out to me was when Overstock.com switched to O.co thinking it was shorter and more brandable.

They had to switch back after millions in costs because they were losing something like 60% of their traffic as people assumed it was O.com (which doesn't actually exist - it's reserved by ICANN), and when they went there, nothing appeared so they thought the Overstock site was broken. Oops. Might want to rethink that strategy before you change the name of a stadium in Oakland... ;-)

Anyway, for this project, the .io domain is really only for the project info site.

For whatever reason, using alt-domains doesn't seem to be hurting projects too much in the ICO process at least. I guess because the audience is super-savvy.

When we actually release the public site, it'll be on a .com... I think you'll like the brand we're going to use.

And yes, challenging Google is pretty daunting. You are totally right.

The fact that you and much of the world has that same 'oh shit' reaction (so did we when we got into a fight with them a few years ago), means they have way too much power, and that's really why this project is so important.

People are scared to challenge them because they are so influential and have so much power. It's probably the most centralized power in the whole world, outside of direct military capability by the USA.

As I just mentioned, we actually battled Google back in 2011, and from that experience, where we fortunately escaped their mass penalization of our platform, they indirectly admitted that they manually penalize sites and then they built out a 'manual action' section of Google Webmaster Tools to cover themselves.

Here's a quote: "Stricker, the Google spokesman, said an earlier automated penalty imposed against ShopCity sites by coincidence had expired at that time, but Google imposed another penalty when it received outside complaints about ShopCity sites. Local partners say they still have high hopes for their network."

From here: http://www.mercurynews.com/2011/07/28/local-business-site-challenges-google-ranking/

And if you go into GWT (now called Search Console), then Search Traffic, then Manual Actions, you'll see the section they created after our incident.

That's why we want to take this challenge on, and why we believe that we can actually be successful here.

We've had an internal site for years that does roughly what our public beta site is going to do, and it's received great usage and been very sticky.

It's just something we hacked together though, and to do it properly and build out the proper beta site will take some work. We're plugging away on it right now.

So yeah, we've definitely thought this over, and we think that, together with the decentralization community, we can make a dent here and provide a way to start turning this massive centralization of the Internet around.

We would appreciate the support of anyone reading, and I am going to be living on this forum for the foreseeable future talking with you guys about how to do it.

Let me know if you want to chat further about domains - it's definitely one of my passions. :)

Hey NewWorldCoiner,

The early private beta of the search tool and user portal is being built on:

Amazon's Web Services Cloud,
LAMP stack,
CodeIgniter PHP framework,
and the web3.js library to communicate with the Ethereum blockchain
Our token is going to be an ERC 20 standard

This stack would definitely not work for the actual search engine, but by the time we get to that stage, hopefully we'll have a significant community of people, much smarter than me and our current team, to make the best choices about how to tackle this massive challenge / opportunity.

At that point, development of the platform and its features will be entirely up to the community of developers who wish to support the project.

Please add more details on your post, it's is better to put one big post here instead of just giving website link like that.
With this kind of post will give a bad impression to the investor.

Hmm. Will the search engine be be accessible by everyone who uses the ethereum blockchain? Like a search bar in their wallet, regardless of what token it is? Is that possible?

I definitely share your views on Google. Way too powerful now, they are essentially steering the course of history by controlling the flow of information. I think a decentralised gatekeeper is long overdue.

I really hope that the information regarding any bounty campaign will be available for this project.

To start, we will make it available on the general web to any user.

The ethereum token model will be used to incentivize usage, contribution to and promotion of the site / platform, as well as for the advertising system.

Eventually, we envision a totally decentralized version that would run entirely on the blockchain, but as of right now, it likely isn't possible / feasible. At that point, the community would be driving the development of the platform, and I'm sure with the collective brainpower, we'll be able to come up with something.

It would be so liberating to have a decentralized and open search engine. As an entrepreneur, and researcher who has gone down the rabbit hole (judging by your NWC handle, I assume you have as well), I struggle with Google's censoring or selective displaying of results.

I fear for the clampdown when push comes to shove, and the whole 'fake news' thing is scary. A lot of what is deemed to be fake could very well be true (but inconvenient and anti-establishment), and a lot of what is true is nothing more than propaganda and/or distractions.

Would appreciate your input as Presearch develops...

You had me there, all good then. :)
Now im curious and will patiently wait to learn what domain will be used. :)

I wish you all the best with this Project, and you are right, imo, "no one" should have that much power, but they do and taking a portion of it will be very challenging, ill dev stick around and watch this go down, it will be a very very interesting thing to watch if you (and team) succeeds.

P.S. im a bit disappointed by the amount of Tokens available, why oh why did it need to be 1Billion. well, atleast its not 50... :) ;).

Ohh so many of us wants easy btc but this ico is funny :))

Hi Colin, I have a few questions for you here:

1. Why do you use an ETH token? If you're not using any specific ETH features you could in general also run your own coin with its own chain, which would be a much more lightweight solution. Personally I don't like ETH too much, that's why I'm asking.  ;) It's way too big and bloated IMO. Have you considered alternative options to ETH? What about running your own ETH chain between the search engine nodes if ETH is what you need?

2. How are users going to spend DST? I read that people can pay developers for making new features using DST. Anything else? Are there any features (performance, search accuracy or other search features) that people can spend their DST for?

3. If the network is being decentralized, how are nodes going to be rewarded? Do people need to spend a small amount of DST to make their search, and pay the nodes which are processing it? Are nodes going to be rewarded for the indexing/crawling work that they probably need to do?

4. Have you evaluated the possibilities of working together, extending or integrating your ideas and especially the monetary/blockchain aspect with an existing distributed search engine such as YaCy? http://www.yacy.net/en/

Thanks for coming here, however I see this is going to be a pretty small ICO if things continue like this ... which leads to my 5th question:

5. How much do you depend on funds raised by ICO? Are you going to be able to continue and finish this project if you just raise a small amount?

6. What is the "token presale" vs. the "initial token sale" that is mentioned on your website?

Looks so serious, I love that web design colour full. What about the unsold coin during ICO, is there plan to burn it? If yes, this token will have a good chance to walk on this world.

How much money are you going to raise during the ICO ?  Just to meet the funding for project development?  Or   just  as much money as possible?  How to deal with unsold tokens?  and  when  is the presale?

It is quite interesting. I am looking for more information.

Phew, no answers? Must say that I'm a bit disappointed.  :-\

Sorry for the delay, Gandalf86.

To be totally transparent, I was hoping this thread may fade away, as it was launched accidentally and not in the manner that was intended (we had a mix-up on the to-do list and Sherry went ahead and posted this announcement prematurely). After the proper one was up, I was going to pull in the questions received on this thread and ensure they were answered.

I appreciate your interest and am happy that you care enough about this project to follow up! That's awesome!

1. Yes, we will likely need to implement our own coin to run the actual blockchain index, to minimize both bloat and costs. It is something we are considering, but feel that launching an ETH token for the consensus / reward / advertising functions is the best way to go. At that stage of development, we anticipate that the community will be actively involved in strategy and development.

2. Users will be able to spend DSTs on advertising / promotion (it will drive the Adwords-like, but open and unobtrusive ad platform). Opening up different types of features and ability to customize the system is a great idea, and one we can definitely refine further and incorporate into the road map in more detail - we'd love any thoughts that you have. We have some early ideas about customizations that could be offered - more on the visual side and ability to activate different personalization options. There's also a great opportunity around data and ability to mine it for insight.

3. At this stage, we see that the revenue / incentives will be primarily on the advertiser side. They will pay for the opportunity to be discovered 'outside' of the natural results. These fees can be directed to reward the nodes. The key to launch the project is to get consumer usage first, which is why we're launching it as more of a search tool that will direct people to existing indexes (ex. Google, DuckDuckGo, Twitter, Facebook, etc.). Once we have usage and can start collecting data, we'll be in a much better position to architect the interface (we're thinking it won't be in the traditional '10 blue links' format) and index / relevance model.

4. We are researching YaCy as well as some other open models to determine if there are synergies and learnings. We are also engaging with the few other people who have started search engines in an attempt to compete with the big 3 to learn from their experiences.

5. As I mentioned above, this announcement and some of the timelines were announced prematurely. The project is in development, and this thread was not meant to go out until we are ready. We're taking this early feedback to heart and will ensure the project gets off on a great footing in the near future.

To answer your questions though, Presearch has already completed a meaningful pre-sale of tokens, and the ShopCity.com team that is working on the project is being compensated through that company, which is established (17 years in total, 76,000 business members, millions in revenue) and profitable.

6. The token pre-sale is happening outside of an ICO experience, and the overall model is evolving.

I guess the bright side to this accidental early release is that we are learning and growing right in public. We had considered just deleting it, but due to the great early questions felt that it would be a disservice to everyone involved already.

I appreciate your continued interest and welcome you to continue to partake in this thread, and on the official one when we properly announce it.

Thanks!

Colin

I hope dev will offer nice bounties regrading this and so many people would like to be part this community.

Thanks for the extensive answer, Colin!


Ok I don't think it will be a great problem, you can then just link this PRE-ANN thread in the actual one.

One thing I wonder about is, what will be the terms of the ICO? Is it a first-come, first serve with fixed price? (in which case people like me would need to start allocating funds much earlier). If so, what is the price? Or will the tokens simply be distributed proportionally to the amount of money someone invested? In that case, do you count the price at the day of investing (e.g. 1 BTC = $2500 on day 1) or on the final day, when the price may be different? (e.g. the same BTC may only be $2000 or even $3000 on 27th July). You should announce these things before the ICO starts, so people can accumulate funds early if necessary.


Ok I don't quite get these points ... the network is running decentralized between nodes, right? Why would I run a node? Do I have any advantage from it? It costs money (or resources in general) to run a reliable node.

As a user, I would rather pay to NOT have advertisements, lol. There are enough search engines that don't have ads, and also there are ad blockers ... I would rather expect to be paid for looking at advertisements, seriously.  ;D I'm not quite sure how this business model will work? Also, who will the advertisers pay money to? To your company? Or the node operators and users of the network.

Thirdly, how do you want to make people switch their search engine? Are there any distinctive features that your product will offer, compared to, say, DuckDuckGo? I'm not quite sure what you mean by "search tool". Every search engine is a search tool for me.

Also I've been quite accustomed to the way I am searching, I'm not sure I would be interested in a way to "customize" the interface or so ... or even pay money for it?! Most people just want something that works. And if you're ultra-fancy you can even have Google "themes" or such stuff. The problem with customizing the interface itself that I see is that it also requires you to change your workflow. So it will be essentially the Emacs of search engines, that only a few nerds are using. :D The most important feature that today's search engines have, IMO, is that they are simple, and they all work the same.

So to make this clear, I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm asking the questions that are critical to me, in order to understand if I like your concept or not. :)

How is the progress of the progress, and I see no progress in this release, How I  can contribute to publicity   ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's too bad how annoucement thread without any information details about project. One link for all? NO.

I think most readers like to see the detail in a page, instead of click once more and go to another website. So, I think it is better to paste some key information from the website to this thread, it means the PRE-ANN is formal.

I think some of these pre-ann get hit too hard and too quick, especially if the person/dev is new to the paranoid and abusive crypto forums.  Lots of time I believe that they put the pre-ann out there to give the public an idea of what is coming and what they are doing.  They are in the muck of coding and developing the project and want to give people a heads up with the thread and then spend two hours a day answering questions about a project that they have not even fully flushed out yet.

My intuition is that they are inexperienced with this cryptocurrency topic (which is not good), but are open enough to reconsider their chosen way based on community feedback (which is partly good and bad because sometimes, often you'll also have to hold your curse and not change too often). Colin seemed to be very friendly and communicative, so I bet the reason there are no further infos is that they are thinking.

Colin says answers to my questions are coming, so let's see what it is.

At least they seem to be aware that what they say online needs to be reliable, instead of chatting nonsense here they are silent, which is how professionals would do it. So that is good in a way.

You should create a complete thread first,
Then bring ANN in this forum.
This is really junk information

Well looking at their site, their crowdsale is almost just 28 days away so they better start picking up the pace at start communicating now.
or would they rather hit the iron when its already cold? :D

This is what actually I was thinking too may be this the reason they are moving more slowly than they should have been. Almost two weeks ago this thread was started and till today they didn't arrange opening page properly. July 25th is approaching fast when the early adopters sale will start but it seems they just threw a micro announcement and that's all.

Most newbie accounts talking about anything are ignored by me, but I just have a decent feeling that the person is a genuine dev/business person with an idea that is going to be destroyed by the community before it gets started. 

The OP gives the website, that is normal on other social sites and most people would use that site to keep up to date, but the members here refuse that and demand answers and now.  This is why so many people with decent ideas drop them halfway through and quit and never say a word.
 

the idea behind the project seems good enough

i ever thought about this kind of project sometimes,
but i am not a programmer to make an idea like this becomes a reality.

good luck then


EDIT:

more informations regarding the names involved here:

http://www.shopcity.com/a/ (http://www.shopcity.com/a/)

Looks like the information is still unclear, we just wait for the next update.

Two linkedin profiles given for the team and I can't see mention of presearch on either one. Whitepaper is two pages long and has basically zero information in it. As far as I can tell the plan seems to be to make a cheap and very simple composite search box that just lets people use Google and DuckDuckGo and then hope 'the community' comes up with a plan to make a decentralized search engine.

Shame, because I was really excited by the idea to start with, before I looked further.

And thank you, for keeping the conversation going, Gandalf.

We will definitely link this pre-announcement thread in the official announcement.

One thing to note before I answer your questions is that the launch date that we have up on our website (June 27th) has been pushed out to July 25th.

Right now we are planning on using a fixed price token model for a few reasons:

• For the sake of clarity for purchasers / customers and their ability to budget (as you mentioned)
• We have priced it in the pre-sale already and have great momentum happening there right now
• As tokens will be used as part of the go-to-market strategy we have designed some plans around specific amounts, and we want to be able to sell the tokens actively to ensure that the start-up budget is available; it's much easier to sell something with a fixed price
• Because we are going to allow for payment in multiple cryptocurrencies, we are denoting the price in USD at the time of the sale

That said, we haven't locked in the price or number of tokens 100% yet, and are weighing the value of doing multiple token sales rather than one larger one.

We will keep you and everyone else posted as we get everything 100% locked in over the next couple of days.

In the meantime, we'd love your feedback, and that of anyone else reading.

We are leaning toward 1 billion tokens, which some have objected to.

The primary reason for doing this is that we believe that for the sake of semantics and how we refer to our tokens within the consensus, reward, sponsor and node ecosystems, we'd rather be referring to 'x DSTs' as far as pricing, incentives, contributions, etc., goes, rather than fractional values or $-denominated values.

Therefore, we'd need at least a billion of them to fulfill at least the first stage of the project. I haven't heard of 'splitting' tokens yet, and it sounds like it isn't particularly feasible: https://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/11612/smart-contract-for-company-stock/11615 (https://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/11612/smart-contract-for-company-stock/11615) (though that may have changed recently and I'm unaware). It's possible that even the 1 billion contemplated may not be enough to allow for whole DSTs throughout the life of the project, but we'll have to cross that bridge at some point. It's possible that we may need multiple types of tokens, along with the ability to exchange them as well.

It is a massive opportunity and the search space is currently the largest and most valuable Internet use case at the moment.


Sorry, please allow me to clarify.

At some point, yes, it is likely node-based. To start the token will primarily be used for the reward, voting / consensus, sponsorship platform. But when it goes totally decentralized from decentral-ish (especially compared to Google!), likely using some combination of a blockchain and IPFS https://ipfs.io/ (https://ipfs.io/) index, and incorporate nodes, there will be an incentive provided.

The primary value conferred on DSTs will be from sponsors. That value should provide sufficient compensation to those running Presearch nodes.


When I wrote 'advertisements', I should have been more clear and termed it 'sponsorships' which is how we refer to them internally. We don't like advertisements either, especially the way Google currently does them, somewhat confusingly within organic search results.

The genesis for Presearch was a 'skunkworks' project we hacked together and have used internally for the past few years. I coded that version myself mainly.

In this version there's no index, and it's a pretty basic interface that enables the searcher to choose to directly search a known database using an icon.

As such, there isn't a ton of room for advertisements or sponsorships.

Something we've been contemplating though is the use of autosuggest sponsorships along these lines:

https://www.presearch.io/forumimages/sponsorship.gif

(Unfortunately, I can't post inline images as a newbie account. Also, this is not what the actual version will look like, it's just a quick hack mockup.)

I've always liked the 'brought to you by' model, and believe that we can create significant value for sponsors at the keyword level, and at the overall site level.

Similar to the BAT model, the user will have the option of viewing / clicking through to a sponsor's website and will be compensated for doing so via DSTs.

I'm a big believer in domains from a branding, security and intuitiveness standpoint, and we've discussed limiting the entity name to a domain to avoid confusion and make it as secure as possible for the user, knowing exactly which URL they are clicking through to.

Click / impression fraud is a huge concern of course, and this is something we are working on right now. We have some pretty crafty ways that we think we'll be able to increase relevance, ensure sponsorships are fair and also minimize fraud / maximize engagement.

At some point, it'll likely make sense to run our own index to minimize our reliance on Google, but perhaps we'll just partner with DuckDuckGo as they get better and better and search. We haven't been in touch with them at all yet.

Gandalf, I'd welcome your thoughts on whether something like this sponsorship model would be palatable / appealing to you. Same with anyone else reading.


I'm not going to BS you. This is not going to be easy.

A lot of searches are doing through the browser bar without accessing Google.com these days. We haven't been able to find any stats, but I would assume it's the majority.

Google is damn good at search, and it would be really, really hard to top their general results. That's why we've left them as the default engine option; it really minimizes the impact on the user while enabling them to switch to Presearch.

In particular, we believe there's a specific demographic of people for whom this will have value and who would switch:

• Web workers who spend a lot of time on a laptop / desktop (devs, designers, admins, marketers, content producers, etc.) and are always online.
• People who deep-search specific databases on a regular basis in particular
• People who want to earn crypto tokens
• People who are concerned about Google's search dominance

The crypto group of let's call it 5-10 million people would be the initial potential user base.

The crypto and Google-wary aspect of the user base is actually secondary, opening up the market to significantly more people - likely well over 100m globally.

This user base will also expand as we partner with browser makers to power their search fields, as well as third-party websites.

The great thing about this user base is that while it may not be as large as the general population, it is a group that is likely savvy enough to actually set the site as their home page, and who will experience enough benefit from being able to deep search specific databases without first having to Google the name of the resource (ex. Twitter) and then run a second query on that service. It's also an influential and affluent group in general.

We also plan to reach out to the domain name owner (domainer) community, as they have a ton of highly-targeted, but under-monetized traffic that we could plug into. I have significant contacts in the space, going back a number of years:

https://www.google.com/search?q=colin%20pape%20dnjournal (https://www.google.com/search?q=colin%20pape%20dnjournal)

And also within the local media space (which is under heavy assault by Google and also has a significant volumes of search traffic / usage):

https://www.google.com/search?q=colin%20pape%20local (https://www.google.com/search?q=colin%20pape%20local)

There are a ton of other potential partners with significant traffic that could benefit from a new monetization model as well.

Setting up these kinds of revenue-sharing partnerships is where I see smart contracts really being valuable.

Being able to audit the actual tracking / remuneration a publisher is receiving, and see the actual wallets / addresses / balances and the flow of funds would be huge for them. Transparency for once.

We talk about the blockchain as being 'trustless', but between partners it's actually as close to 100% trusted as possible, which is a huge breakthrough.

So we will definitely leverage this huge opportunity to be totally transparent with partners and build a massive network of properties that integrate the Presearch field and autosuggestions w/ sponsors.

Not sure if I should be sharing this specific go-to-market strategy - my closed source business background says to keep this private - but the open source nature of the project and the funding mechanism and quality of this community says to share away. Please correct me if what I'm doing here is wrong / dumb.



I totally hear you.

We really aren't thinking so much of ways to make it fancy, but more useful and user-friendly.

For instance, we believe that there are a number of different workflows that are fairly common across different types of web workers, so we plan to make the resources that Presearch searches customizable, with a number of standard options pre-populated based on the type of user.

We will launch a few ways the tool can be easily customized to be highly-functional.

This will include the ability to easily add a custom engine and specific URL parameters to enable deep searching.

The ability to hide sponsors would be possible, and the potential reward for choosing / displaying sponsored ads should be incentive enough.

At the end of the day, we're initially appealing to people who care enough to change search interfaces and set this as their homepage. This is a power-user demographic, and if we can get them to switch, we believe the search volume could be quite significant.

Before we actually build a full index, we'd be building our auto-suggest index, and there are many opportunities around access to this data as well.

Looking forward to your thoughts on our plans and to any suggestions you might have.

Thanks again for commenting!

Colin

virasog - In our case, the announcement accidentally went out when we were first getting organized. We had some great questions come up and didn't want to delete the thread, but needed to stay focused so we could get things rocking.

Really appreciate everyone's patience and understanding!

Hi Gandalf,

We are newer to this world of cryptocurrency in a sense, though we opened up the ability for the merchants on our ShopCity.com platform to accept payment in Bitcoin back in 2013. Unfortunately, we didn't stumble across BitcoinTalk until much later, so we're just cutting our chops here.

We have a good idea of where the project should go, and some very innovative UIs and technology in the works, but feel that the main gap in Google's armour is its lack of transparency. For Presearch to be fully transparent, it needs to be open to community input. There are so many smart, skilled people out there who would contribute to an initiative like this, but they need a framework and that initial momentum, which is what we will provide with Presearch.

Looking forward to your feedback as the project evolves.

All the best!

Colin

Thanks, 2girls for looking on the bright side. :)

We're not going anywhere and are committed to bringing this project to life.

We've had a great response from the broader community, including from one of the original founders of Ethereum and the manager of a large crypto fund.

We've sold out our initial pre-sale already and are now wrapping up the second part of our pre-sale ahead of the July 25th public sale.

Cryptorials - please don't give up on us yet.

Our team is in the process of updating their LinkedIn profiles. Most of us have worked together on another project.

The new white paper is now online at https://www.presearch.io/uploads/WhitePaper.pdf

Building a fully-decentralized search engine is a massive undertaking, and we see it being accomplished in steps, with the first step being this highly-usable search tool that we can build usage, value and community around.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks!

Colin

Thanks Colin for your detailed explanations. Maybe I'm just too much of an "radical decentralizer" ;D but your approach is not how I would do it (or like to see it being done). I'm sure it has some potential though, especially the transparency aspect. Also I don't like fixed-price ICO's unless they are really cheap, lol. You don't sound like you want to do it really cheap though, which is only fair and totally up to you.

So good luck for you and your team, and everybody who is joining your journey!  :)

Just for reference, if someone reading here would like to try a different approach that is more similar to Yacy, with Nodes being rewarded for their work (like supporting the network, indexing, forwarding traffic, caching etc.), and users paying those nodes for their work right from the beginning rather than as a "to be done later"-goal, feel free to contact me!  8) Especially if you have people who would like to do the actual work, because I'm more of an investor hehe.  :D

Best regards

Who are the 'early adopters' and what bonus are they getting compared to the public sale?

Any social media bounty campaign?

Is there any update on Presearch? Thank you

Why there are so many newbies who launch ICOs? I read some of other people expressed the same concerns. Why if you want to raise money from others, and you don't even provide your own identity and credibility? There's only one reason for that, which is that your intention is to get some quick money and disappear. In other words, to scam money.

Hi, I would like to reserve the Italian translate if you are planning to have a bounty for translations.

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Hello,

As I've finished reading the whole whitepaper, website and whole bitcointalk.org thread. My question remain unanswered; what was the price per token of the 50 million pre-sale prior to the ICO (called ''Early adopter sale'' of 200 million token) ?

No one seems to know how many tokens you get, plus they need my email ?

See our ICO review of Presearch - https://coins.best/ico-reviews/presearch/
Any kind of feedback is welcome - feel free to comment on the review itself

Are you crazy guys, you again belive in this scam icos on Ethereum? status and bancor was enough? How you fucking thing this search engine will work if ethereum network die after 300k transaction per day?

how you plan to work on Ethereum presearch, bitclave, indorse? (indorse.io) Dont understand. So i think all of this scam

No social media bounties?

Wow Batch 3 was released and it's being sold pretty fast! https://presearch.pro

This project looks promising.

How much money is raise during current ICO ?? What is your minimum ICO target and what is matter of unsold token ??
Please reply..!
Thank you.

i will join blog artikel dev

May I ask if somebody here  already transferred their coin to their personal wallet? I just want to get help about it.

Promising project...good

Came across Presearch today. It's awsome. Try it out!

Get paid to search: + 25 PRE for Sign up + 25 PRE for every referral

Presearch Sign up (http://bit.ly/Presearch-sign-up)

When you search, you’ll be rewarded with PRE crypto tokens. You will earn 0.25 PRE tokens per search, up to 32 searches per day (8 PRE tokens).

Check out Presearch, a new crypto project that is taking on Google with its next-generation search engine.
Join using my link and earn 25 extra PRE tokens!

PRE is already is trading on following exchanges: #HitBTC #CoinExchange #YoBit

It is nice to see that the project is developing.
egretia

Great article about Presearch: "8 reasons PRE is brilliant for every crypto portfolio (http://bit.ly/PRE-is-brilliant)"


Presearch Sign up (http://bit.ly/Presearch-sign-up)

YOU CAN FIND THIS INFORMATION AFTER LOGIN IN YOUR PANEL:

 Token redemptions began at the end of June and will continue progressively moving forward. As this is a new process and we are still refining the abuse protection systems, we've set a fairly high withdrawal threshold of  1000 :P PRE to start. This number will likely decrease in time, and we will keep all Presearchers notified via email when they are able to withdraw. For now, those who are able to withdraw have received an email message confirming this. More will be sent out in the coming days.

 In another words, if You want withdraw PRE minimum amount is 1000 PRE. I guess it will take me a few months to get it.

GOOD luck guys.

It will take several months and almost half a year. I think it's not very good. Strongly zhostko.

Presearch is a very attractive concept. Promoted as a "decentralized search engine", Presearch users earn PRE tokens to interact with search engines and associated communities.

Amazing and reliable project. So take it and discover  this great platform with best team. I am very confident that this will be very successful good luck.

500% increase in a month wow not bad for presearch Im a new user of the extension and so far I received few Pre tokens just for searching anything on the web which is really nice its truly a decentralized search engine I should have known this before so that I could earn more.

I am really surprised nobody has caught on the attention of this project yet. It already has a usable project and is ahead in this space. Even though their entire stack isn't decentralised yet (looking at you gateway servers), they already have users on this and recently launched nodes so users can stake PRE on their network.

It just makes a lot of sense to me. i.e advertisers directly reward the users.

This is truly a very good project.
Legit team and the search works exceptionally well!
try it.