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Title: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: tikalbong on June 18, 2017, 01:37:30 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Sithara007 on June 18, 2017, 04:07:17 AM
He is dead. Why is there so much confusion about it? The Americans have given enough proof for the same, and the Al Qaeda hasn't released any video clip to prove that Osama is alive. He is gone, for good.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: freedomno1 on June 18, 2017, 05:46:00 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?

Dead, they did a reveal on it and their wasn't any debate on that or disagreement from Al Qaeda or ISIS, the only question is whether throwing the body into the sea was a cover-up of any sort regarding the burial etc. Then again releasing the photos would have made sense propaganda retaliation aside at this point it's long enough past the date to confirm it.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: joebrook on June 18, 2017, 08:52:42 AM
He is dead. Why is there so much confusion about it? The Americans have given enough proof for the same, and the Al Qaeda hasn't released any video clip to prove that Osama is alive. He is gone, for good.

He is not dead am sure that he has been captured and being detained at a CIA blacksite being interrogated by the USA for information, isn't it strange how the higher echelon of Al Qaeda were anilihated soon after he was captured.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Daniel91 on June 18, 2017, 09:56:08 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?

It's just another ''conspiracy theory'' like that Elvis is still alive or that aliens live together with us :)
It's just not serious.
Look, if Osama is live, he will surely make some report about it and send to media, in order to make his enemies ridiculous.
Also, American government will damage their reputation with such lie.
So, all facts are obvious and clear, Osama is dead.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Lieldoryn on June 18, 2017, 10:05:04 AM
He is dead. Why is there so much confusion about it? The Americans have given enough proof for the same, and the Al Qaeda hasn't released any video clip to prove that Osama is alive. He is gone, for good.
He's gone forever, but that doesn't mean he's dead. It appeared created the conditions for the Americans had the opportunity to invade any country under the pretext of fighting terrorism and disappeared. After 10 years of it nobody will remember.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Xester on June 18, 2017, 10:09:12 AM
He is dead that is for sure.  But the ideals that he have the beliefs that he have, all what he is fighting for still alive.  It just passes, like the birth of the ISIS which continuously become a headache.  He may be dead but his legacy continues.  Terrorist still embrace his ideals. 


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: gLuisGonz on June 18, 2017, 10:17:43 AM
Yes, Osama bin Laden is dead, for sure.
But the 9/11 attacks were a big hoax.

Bin Laden has been dead since December 16, 2001


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: rahmat92 on June 18, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
Yes he has died some facts have been released that it is true that Osama bin Laden has died


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Nagadota on June 18, 2017, 10:48:00 AM
As with most conspiracy theories ("the Earth is flat", "man never went to the moon", "climate change was created by the Chinese government to weaken Western economies"), it would be stupid to believe an article supporting these theories.

Governments and other groups are extremely corrupt and evil but this doesn't mean that you should assume everything that they say is a lie even when their incentives wouldn't result in those conspiracies being true.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: iram3130 on June 18, 2017, 10:48:57 AM
Yes he has died some facts have been released that it is true that Osama bin Laden has died

When people can fake moon landing, I think faking a person's death is not that complicated, who knows what America did with him in real.!! Your can't be sure of anything these days.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Bodywowoya on June 18, 2017, 01:56:57 PM
If we raise the issue of the life or death of Osama bin Laden, then it seems to me that in the community there can again be anger that will be directed at dissatisfaction with the service that should be engaged in the fight against terrorism. We believe those guys who do their work, but it turns out that if through the number one lived, we were all lied to?


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: icecube45 on June 18, 2017, 03:34:41 PM
Yes Osama bin Laden is really dead, I believe with this. If he is alive then he still leads al-Qaeda but the organization is now led by others, maybe this is a simple logic. Since the death of Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda organization has changed and not like before, they have also changed several leaders.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: squatz1 on June 18, 2017, 06:53:57 PM
There's a ton of people, usually known as the conspiracy people that are trying to hide the fact that this man is really dead. There'd be no reason for the US government to keep him alive, we all know they probably extracted everything he ever knew from extensive torturing and then killed him once it was over. I'll be able to go along with the fact that he probably didn't die the way some of the SEALS explained it, but I think in the end he was killed in some way shape or form.

So, the man is dead and this debate is going to have to come to an end.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: daronch on June 18, 2017, 10:34:23 PM
Osama is as alive as Elvis, Tupac and Andy Kaufman. I heard they're still living well somewhere in secret.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: bentoremy on June 19, 2017, 01:07:38 AM
Dude, if he's dead or not, we would never know. Governors manipulate information for their benefit, so they are the only ones who know the real situation of Osama.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Nikola95 on June 19, 2017, 01:11:06 AM
I think it is not important at all. Such organisations don't have one mastermind. I think there is lot of unknown people or agencies who run such terorist organisations.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Sithara007 on June 19, 2017, 01:29:13 AM
Osama is as alive as Elvis, Tupac and Andy Kaufman. I heard they're still living well somewhere in secret.

Lol... Die hard fans of Elvis had a really tough time in coping up with the news of his death. Some of them are still living in a state of alternate reality. They don't want to accept the truth that he is no more. But I never knew that Osama bin Laden had these type of die-hard fans.  ;D


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on June 19, 2017, 01:33:04 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?

A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy without warrant, generally one involving an illegal or harmful act carried out by government or other powerful actors. Conspiracy theories often produce hypotheses that contradict the prevailing understanding of history or simple facts. The term is a derogatory one.

According to the political scientist Michael Barkun, conspiracy theories rely on the view that the universe is governed by design, and embody three principles: nothing happens by accident, nothing is as it seems, and everything is connected. Another common feature is that conspiracy theories evolve to incorporate whatever evidence exists against them, so that they become, as Barkun writes, a closed system that is unfalsifiable, and therefore "a matter of faith rather than proof".


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Makka on June 19, 2017, 11:24:15 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?

Tikalbong, do not just put too much importance to anything you've stumbled upon over the internet. Perhaps it would be prudent if you check the source first before bringing it up for a discussion. You know, conspiracy theorists are all over the internet. If you notice, most of these theories only need a little common sense for you to immediately identify them as garbage.

Well, for your information, aside from Osama bin Laden; Adolf Hitler, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley, Jose Rizal, Ferdinand Magellan, and so many others actually died of old age.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: bkbirge on June 19, 2017, 05:25:29 PM
I know he's alive for sure. He plays bass in my 80's cover band. He does a spot on impression of VH's Michael Anthony when we do Hot For Teacher.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: NaimaKlip on June 19, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
No, i don't think he's dead. Just hiding.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Lancusters on June 19, 2017, 11:08:42 PM
I honestly still alive Osama bin Laden or not. I think it's his fault in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. I think he was recruited by us intelligence agencies and did fulfill the role of an evil genius, and acted by other people. Maybe it was removed as unnecessary witness.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Sithara007 on June 20, 2017, 01:27:35 AM
I honestly still alive Osama bin Laden or not. I think it's his fault in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. I think he was recruited by us intelligence agencies and did fulfill the role of an evil genius, and acted by other people. Maybe it was removed as unnecessary witness.

I am not sure about his links with the American agencies after 1992, but there is no doubt that Osama bin Laden maintained good relations with the CIA from 1979 to 1992 (when the Islamic Jihad against the soviet occupation in Afghanistan was going on). Osama was trained by the CIA in the 1980s, and he was even provided with Stinger missiles to shoot down the soviet jets.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: crwth on June 20, 2017, 02:10:27 AM
Why would you even want to know? It's not like you could do something about it, it's just something that you could just speculate about. In my opinion, he is really dead even if some guys are saying he is still alive. Probably he has been captured first then interrogated and just probably killed after that. I think he is very old by now and died by old age if he is still alive.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: slapper on June 23, 2017, 05:46:50 PM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?

A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy without warrant, generally one involving an illegal or harmful act carried out by government or other powerful actors. Conspiracy theories often produce hypotheses that contradict the prevailing understanding of history or simple facts. The term is a derogatory one.

According to the political scientist Michael Barkun, conspiracy theories rely on the view that the universe is governed by design, and embody three principles: nothing happens by accident, nothing is as it seems, and everything is connected. Another common feature is that conspiracy theories evolve to incorporate whatever evidence exists against them, so that they become, as Barkun writes, a closed system that is unfalsifiable, and therefore "a matter of faith rather than proof".

So the theory that some navy seals killed Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan must be a conspiracy theory.There is no evidence that happened but the theory does involve the US government doing an illegal act, but there is no evidence it actually happened like that
I think you are right. He is already killed by a small team in the USA called seal 6. And President Barack Obama announced to his citizens that Bin Laden has dead but there is no evidence to prove it.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Sithara007 on June 24, 2017, 04:54:36 AM
Why would you even want to know? It's not like you could do something about it, it's just something that you could just speculate about. In my opinion, he is really dead even if some guys are saying he is still alive. Probably he has been captured first then interrogated and just probably killed after that. I think he is very old by now and died by old age if he is still alive.

Back then, there were news reports that he was suffering from kidney failure. And he was in hiding, so there wasn't much chance for medical treatment or a kidney replacement surgery. So you are right. He might have died even if the Americans didn't killed him.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: audaciousbeing on June 24, 2017, 07:56:06 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?

Whether he is alive or dead the fact remained that after that night, he was not seen or heard of again and that's what matter. However, if he is now found out to be  alive then the fundamental fabric of what holds the Obama administration together is done with which I am sure its not something that wants to be heard of.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: babsalt1975 on June 24, 2017, 08:11:07 AM
No one ever knows whether Osama bin laden is dead or alive. The only people who know about this are Former president barrack Obama and the navy seals who captured him. The only information we were given was that Osama was attacked in his house and shot dead. The only picture that was shown to the world was that of a casket being tossed into the sea. If at all Osama was captured and killed, we could have been shown his dead body. No picture was shown whether dead or alive. How sure are we that the seals were tossing an empty casket into the sea?


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: LeoEspansq on June 24, 2017, 08:17:38 AM
I think that he is still alive, but he hides and works under the cover since this is very secret information about his life.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Jasad on June 24, 2017, 09:31:24 AM
Osama Bin Laden is dead, even long ago. If this question arises because the terrorist case still exists, because his subordinates are still alive, and also the terrorist organization is still widely spread, so his death will not stop the terrorists.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: zedkiel08 on June 24, 2017, 12:40:43 PM
osama bin laden is already dead  when the us troops bomb afghanistan way back 2001. and there is proof that the alcaeda terrorist leader is dead , but some people think that he's still alive as for now.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Malsetid on June 24, 2017, 05:10:03 PM
There's been a lot of conspiracy theories about the death of bin laden but i think there's already enough proof that he's already dead. THough of course they way they disposed of the body in the ocean and only showing photos of a dead osama can really make some skeptics think that the death ahs been a cover up. But he's pretty dead to me.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: bravehearth0319 on June 24, 2017, 11:36:31 PM
He is dead. Why is there so much confusion about it? The Americans have given enough proof for the same, and the Al Qaeda hasn't released any video clip to prove that Osama is alive. He is gone, for good.
As far as I know Osama bin laden is already dead, if there are people thinking that He is still alive
we don't know what is their intention to say that.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Sithara007 on June 25, 2017, 03:12:02 AM
He is dead. Why is there so much confusion about it? The Americans have given enough proof for the same, and the Al Qaeda hasn't released any video clip to prove that Osama is alive. He is gone, for good.
As far as I know Osama bin laden is already dead, if there are people thinking that He is still alive
we don't know what is their intention to say that.

It doesn't matter anymore. Even if he is alive, what is he going to do? His organization (Al Qaeda) is decaying, and the ISIS has been rapidly replacing it in the Islamic nations for the past 3-4 years. Osama bin Laden is all history. So will be the Al Qaeda in a few years time.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Mandoy on June 25, 2017, 06:02:17 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?

It is unclear if Osama Bin Laden died. We do not know the truth since there are many stories roaming around the internet with some hard proofs that the United States of America had faked the death of Osama Bi Laden. There was a picture of an arab who died and it was being used and photoshop by US to make it look like that Bin Laden had died. With this we cannot tell really if he is dead or alive.

There are also some rumors running around that Osam Bin Laden was actually the former President of America who is Obama and that his name was was really Osama Bin Laden. If you try to take off the beard of Osama you will see Obama. This is just a conspiracy but it somehow tells us that what if it is true.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Sadlife on June 25, 2017, 06:06:19 AM
He might be dead as some international media said it he was killed by US military soldiers because he was branded as a terrorist that is a treat to our world by US government but is the media and US government telling us the truth and why is the middle east country leaders are being branded as terrorists like ghadaffi in libya. Its means like if you dont agree on US government terms like If you refuse dollar and central banks on your country like ghadaffi did you'll be branded as terrorists and a dictator by US media and US government.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Junko on June 25, 2017, 06:21:33 AM
Either he was killed in the US raid or he was captured alive in the raid. If he was captured alive then he may as well be dead since he would have no way to run Al Queda.

If he was neither killed nor captured by the US and was in hiding and still running things, we would have heard from him in some way or form by now.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Matcuda on June 25, 2017, 07:23:25 AM
Either he was killed in the US raid or he was captured alive in the raid. If he was captured alive then he may as well be dead since he would have no way to run Al Queda.

If he was neither killed nor captured by the US and was in hiding and still running things, we would have heard from him in some way or form by now.
These news about the destruction of the world's first terrorist looked all, but in fact no one knows what happened. In fact, such topics are very alarming or cause distrust. I think that it is not necessary to create doubt in people.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: MarconyGL on June 25, 2017, 07:59:21 AM
We can not know the exact information about his life, because it is classified. Any news can be fake.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: iv4n on June 26, 2017, 08:49:02 AM
Who is that man that lives in faraway mountains? This guy was the threat for big US government? And strong US government killed this man and he is not a threat anymore?
Do you people believe in this fairytale? I wonder what an average US citizens think about this, do you really believe in terrorists?
I'm sure that 9.11 was the inside job, I'm sure that US government is taking money from all the heroine that so called terrorist is making each year, basically US made terrorists to have something to flight against.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: jilin on July 01, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?
He is dead, dare to challenge the US government, the United States will not let him live, hope my words will not give you misleading, sorry.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: matuson on July 01, 2017, 09:24:05 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?
He is dead, dare to challenge the US government, the United States will not let him live, hope my words will not give you misleading, sorry.
Why are you so adamantly claim that Osama bin Laden defied the United States? It seems to me that on the contrary, he cooperated with American intelligence agencies. The challenge requires action. Give me an example of what he did against the interests of America. Only the funniest clips from an AK-47 in YouTube. Lol.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: Love! on July 01, 2017, 09:35:01 AM
We can not know the exact information about his life, because it is classified. Any news can be fake.

Especially in America.

Either way, I don't care if he is or not. Nothing he has done has effected my life directly or indirectly. Ever.


Title: Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not?
Post by: HeRetiK on July 01, 2017, 09:52:10 AM
Pretty sure he's dead. If he's not, he's probably rotting in some cell somewhere, else we'd already have heard some news from him.