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Title: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: rumex on June 28, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
Cryptocurrency Bubble Will Burst: Aberdeen Asset Management

The recent rapid increase in the price of cryptocurrencies has resulted in many experts calling it a bubble and advising caution while investing. Aberdeen Asset Management is the latest to do so, arguing that like all bubbles, the virtual currency bubble will eventually burst too.

Bubble-like Characteristics
The growth in the valuation of cryptocurrencies in 2017 has been unprecedented. Bitcoin price has more than tripled in value, going from $900 in Jan 2017, to over $2,700 as of now.

This pales in comparison to Ethereum’s gains. Ether price has risen from ~$8 in January 2017, to $350 currently, a gain of over 4000 percent. Other cryptocurrencies too have risen multifold in value, leading to natural apprehensions of a cryptocurrency bubble.

Gold Rush Mindset
Aberdeen believes that we are currently in the midst of a cryptocurrency bubble and its bursting is inevitable. Speaking to Bloomberg, Peter Denious, head of global venture capital at Aberdeen Asset Management Plc, said:

“Prices right now aren’t being driven by network usage, they’re being driven by speculation that tokens are going to appreciate. It’s a gold-rush mentality.”

The proliferation of ICOs and the rapid increase in the price of tokens upon listing is one of the indicators of a bubble. Companies in the Blockchain space seem to have no difficulties in raising money quickly through ICOs, even if they do not have a proven or unique idea behind their token.

Other Assets at Record Levels
While the returns on cryptocurrencies in 2017 is unparalleled, other asset classes have risen too. Equity indices like Nasdaq and S&P 500 are at record levels, in spite of the uncertainty in global markets. Housing prices have largely recovered from the previous burst.

One reason for the increase in prices is the ample liquidity in global markets, caused by quantitative easing by various central banks.

While the cryptocurrency bubble may burst, it might not be the only one to do so. Past global crises have shown that the effect of a real estate or widespread equity bust can have long-lasting effects on the economy.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Leonbtc on June 28, 2017, 01:38:52 PM
Rejected. There ia no buble at all. I am hearing this since 2011!! And will not anymore!!


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: befrank on June 28, 2017, 01:56:09 PM
2010. It's a Bubble!
2011. It's a Bubble!
2012. It's a Bubble!
2013. It's a Bubble!
2014. It's a Bubble!
2015. It's a Bubble!
2016. It's a Bubble!
2017. It's a Bubble!

Unless Crypto is deemed illegal (which will not happen ever) it will continue to rise, with ups and downs!


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: One Man Band on June 28, 2017, 01:59:00 PM
the bubble will burst on coins that offer little or no actual beneficial services to its end-users.
IMO.




Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: karasuri on June 28, 2017, 02:01:42 PM
They say that this is a bubble only for people to doubt and do not trust it.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Ayers on June 28, 2017, 02:05:15 PM
2010. It's a Bubble!
2011. It's a Bubble!
2012. It's a Bubble!
2013. It's a Bubble!
2014. It's a Bubble!
2015. It's a Bubble!
2016. It's a Bubble!
2017. It's a Bubble!

Unless Crypto is deemed illegal (which will not happen ever) it will continue to rise, with ups and downs!

lol right there is no bubble the pump always win and the value always increase in tho place some coin for but many other hold strong, they said that we were in a bubble but after this little on ETH and lbry and some other small coin they are all recovering again now, I can't see this ending anymore I think new investors will help the value to grow in all alt and remain profit or for a while if not forever, the altcoin are here to stay imho there


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: thompshma on June 28, 2017, 02:45:10 PM
The next few days will tell. Its hard to say.

Right now the market is mimicking this chart. Would  be a bummer if we are in the "return to normal phase"
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H8RFgy9eReM/UufwYFGiuRI/AAAAAAAACJ0/Vssi4ltLGy4/s1600/TheMostFamousBubbleChartAcademics.png


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: befrank on June 28, 2017, 03:00:03 PM
I have seen my lbry coins lose half of there value in three days. Now they are the biggest growers. I think we are in the back to normal phase. Nobody can tell those things. In the past if there was a dip like this with other crypto it was a sign of a market that was about to cool down (long term) but who knows. These are cryptic times.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: costina on June 28, 2017, 03:08:32 PM
The next few days will tell. Its hard to say.

Right now the market is mimicking this chart. Would  be a bummer if we are in the "return to normal phase"
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H8RFgy9eReM/UufwYFGiuRI/AAAAAAAACJ0/Vssi4ltLGy4/s1600/TheMostFamousBubbleChartAcademics.png
I agree with you, I just waiting weekend and begin July the market will continue down more or comeback rasing up again! At now, we can't guess exactly 100% because everything is possible, become to food for whale very easy anytime =))


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: patroncito on June 28, 2017, 03:23:00 PM
Cryptocurrency Bubble Will Burst: Aberdeen Asset Management

The recent rapid increase in the price of cryptocurrencies has resulted in many experts calling it a bubble and advising caution while investing. Aberdeen Asset Management is the latest to do so, arguing that like all bubbles, the virtual currency bubble will eventually burst too.

Bubble-like Characteristics
The growth in the valuation of cryptocurrencies in 2017 has been unprecedented. Bitcoin price has more than tripled in value, going from $900 in Jan 2017, to over $2,700 as of now.

This pales in comparison to Ethereum’s gains. Ether price has risen from ~$8 in January 2017, to $350 currently, a gain of over 4000 percent. Other cryptocurrencies too have risen multifold in value, leading to natural apprehensions of a cryptocurrency bubble.

Gold Rush Mindset
Aberdeen believes that we are currently in the midst of a cryptocurrency bubble and its bursting is inevitable. Speaking to Bloomberg, Peter Denious, head of global venture capital at Aberdeen Asset Management Plc, said:

“Prices right now aren’t being driven by network usage, they’re being driven by speculation that tokens are going to appreciate. It’s a gold-rush mentality.”

The proliferation of ICOs and the rapid increase in the price of tokens upon listing is one of the indicators of a bubble. Companies in the Blockchain space seem to have no difficulties in raising money quickly through ICOs, even if they do not have a proven or unique idea behind their token.

Other Assets at Record Levels
While the returns on cryptocurrencies in 2017 is unparalleled, other asset classes have risen too. Equity indices like Nasdaq and S&P 500 are at record levels, in spite of the uncertainty in global markets. Housing prices have largely recovered from the previous burst.

One reason for the increase in prices is the ample liquidity in global markets, caused by quantitative easing by various central banks.

While the cryptocurrency bubble may burst, it might not be the only one to do so. Past global crises have shown that the effect of a real estate or widespread equity bust can have long-lasting effects on the economy.

It is not a bubble my friend. Any of these fund managers will tell you that it is a bubble because cryptos are a threat to many aspects of their business


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Mallyx on June 28, 2017, 03:30:39 PM
2010. It's a Bubble!
2011. It's a Bubble!
2012. It's a Bubble!
2013. It's Willy bot!
2014. It's a Bubble!
2015. It's a Bubble!
2016. It's a Bubble!
2017. It's a Bubble!

Unless Crypto is deemed illegal (which will not happen ever) it will continue to rise, with ups and downs!

Fixed ;)


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: serhishulak on June 28, 2017, 03:41:20 PM
2010. It's a Bubble!
2011. It's a Bubble!
2012. It's a Bubble!
2013. It's Willy bot!
2014. It's a Bubble!
2015. It's a Bubble!
2016. It's a Bubble!
2017. It's a Bubble!

Unless Crypto is deemed illegal (which will not happen ever) it will continue to rise, with ups and downs!

Fixed ;)


yeap, this is better  ;D


If we talk on the topic, it's not like a bubble. More similar to the fact that banks with the help of the press are trying to get their part of the market back.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: mostkey on June 28, 2017, 03:59:59 PM
The next few days will tell. Its hard to say.

Right now the market is mimicking this chart. Would  be a bummer if we are in the "return to normal phase"
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H8RFgy9eReM/UufwYFGiuRI/AAAAAAAACJ0/Vssi4ltLGy4/s1600/TheMostFamousBubbleChartAcademics.png
I agree with you, I just waiting weekend and begin July the market will continue down more or comeback rasing up again! At now, we can't guess exactly 100% because everything is possible, become to food for whale very easy anytime =))


Most of us predict until the end of this week, there is always a surprise from bitcoin, either going up or down it could actually be an opportunity in the search for profit, of course for these traders is a big challenge to be able to predict


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: slackcryptoz on June 28, 2017, 04:03:25 PM
There is nothing to burst at the present moment. Price drop is the sustainability and the growth will happen in a short. If something is just moving forward all the time, then surely there is a flaw. So a growth with ups and downs is good for users.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: oddwh on June 28, 2017, 04:52:49 PM
The next few days will tell. Its hard to say.

Right now the market is mimicking this chart. Would  be a bummer if we are in the "return to normal phase"
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H8RFgy9eReM/UufwYFGiuRI/AAAAAAAACJ0/Vssi4ltLGy4/s1600/TheMostFamousBubbleChartAcademics.png

I've seen a lot of "public" media talking about ethereum and mining during the last month, so I guess the public phase has already been passed. Btw when I see media talking about cryptocurrencies, this always worry me a little bit, because this is when the decline begin.

Let's see, as you said, the market still follow this kind of chart. Those who say we are not in a bubble are a bit blind in my opinion, we already had bubbles in the past, and this kind of price progression isn't a "not bubble" progression. This doesn't mean cryptoccurencies themselves are a bubble but the current price is. A decline under 1000$ for the BTC is possible.


I'm interested to see where we will be after august. I keep my BTC as I always did anyway  :D
 



Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Spoetnik on June 29, 2017, 05:41:11 AM
It's not a bubble..

It is in fact a burst of popularity in ICO scams which are effectively nothing but a series of digital pyramid schemes.

I await the police and will enjoy the Investards tears.
The blood bath can not commence soon enough.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: shifty30 on June 29, 2017, 06:22:10 AM
It's not a bubble..

It is in fact a burst of popularity in ICO scams which are effectively nothing but a series of digital pyramid schemes.

I await the police and will enjoy the Investards tears.
The blood bath can not commence soon enough.

its not just ICO's either its 1 big money dumping fest at projects that have nothing(or not much) to show, so YES this tiny bubble will burst at some point, look @ 2013 this will be exactly the same just 10x bigger


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: xbiv2 on June 29, 2017, 06:48:25 AM
1.
https://pastebin.com/ZUxTmR99
2.
how it worck:
im Vitalik, i make 100,000,000,000 coins
sold 1 coin for 1$ to my brather (IPO)
now we have 100,000,000,000$ market cap
3.
http://i.4cdn.org/biz/1498717854189.png
-----------------

The next few days will tell. Its hard to say.

Right now the market is mimicking this chart. Would  be a bummer if we are in the "return to normal phase"
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H8RFgy9eReM/UufwYFGiuRI/AAAAAAAACJ0/Vssi4ltLGy4/s1600/TheMostFamousBubbleChartAcademics.png
This you chart for BITCOIN, BITCOIN have hard bottom price because BITCOIN used in payments (international, gambling, internet service).


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Spoetnik on June 29, 2017, 06:52:09 AM
Not much to show ?
Like what ?
..a working currency ?  :D

In a sense it is a bubble but i don't like the term.
It's just a pyramid scheme scene.
None of this idiotic shit is legit in the slightest.

No one came here to support anything but their wallets.
So the outcome is 100% predictable.

It's like watching pigs eat apples off a tree then bragging how they will last forever..
Then winter comes.

It's all a stampede of greedy selfish shortsighted inept morons stomping around.
Once the new users start to dry up the prices will slump and the momentum will swing the other way.
This will shift all of crypto into dump mode.

All of crypto is hovering over the dump button but they are stalling and holding off as there is still new idiots rushing in here to HODL the pre sale coins on the profits coin exchanger fer teh ROI's.

This bullshit is predictable.
What goes up must come down.

..hell i warned ya all in 2013 and we had red candles + complainers for years after.

I can pinpoint which idiots will be burnt too.
They stick out in a crowd as being extra stupid.

The ones who think this will go up & up forever are the morons who will be devoured by the smarter ones.
And these NOOB accounts that show up here mouthing me off and defending scammy garbage don't realize i seen the victims long before they got here.
They ..did not.

But hey, buy moar god damn shitcoins for all i care... nom nom nom cheap coinz hodl forevahz !!111

PS:

http://thetango.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/S8O2Hqq.jpg

PPS:

http://i68.tinypic.com/2whfes1.jpg


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Alttrader203 on June 29, 2017, 07:02:56 AM
0,5% of investors actually hold some crypto

Before this is 10%, it will not bubble.

What we see these days are just corrections


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: BTCwriter on June 29, 2017, 07:05:15 AM
Probably not. Crypto not even start for the mainstream yet and soon it will.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Minecache on June 29, 2017, 07:43:12 AM
Crypto is a nascent technology so what we are seeing is new money flooding into the market. ETH is a gud buy as it's backed by big corporations and financial institutions. Follow the money as they say.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: taxmanmt5 on June 29, 2017, 08:57:16 AM
Thank you for the graph showing that the Bitcoin price IS NOT A BUBBLE by the defined terms in economics.  You keep using that term and it is being used wrongly.  Try some college, maybe even a little high school, and then stop it  You have no idea what you are talking about.  Please, try the back seat and do it now so that the others can have a conversation.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: IndigoJ on June 29, 2017, 12:58:11 PM
I observe this market for three years now (however started trading only few months ago). What I got from my observations - I think fiat economy schemes aren't applied here. Yes, we see huge pumps once in a while, but usually prices during pump predict the future prices (it may happen much later, but eventually the floor will reach this level). I'm not talking about scumcoins here, which are getting pumped only to be dumped afterwards and abandoned by developers after they made some profit of it. But decent coins usually don't drop that significantly (maybe in 2013, but at the end of the day market reached, and overgrown even that level).


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: ophyrim on June 29, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
I don't think this is a bubble. There is a huge money entry to this crypto money markets and the price is rising. That is all. By the way, not only crypto markets are the rising ones but also nearly all markets in the worlds are rising at the same time. There is a liquidity abundance. Besides these reasons, the awareness about crypto markets is also increasing.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Wheelie on June 29, 2017, 01:20:41 PM
Probably not. Crypto not even start for the mainstream yet and soon it will.

I don't see it going mainstream for a pretty long time, not untill everything is made much simpler to buy and sell coins and pay with them.
Try to explain to Joe Smo crypto in short, making a wallet but is has to be safe, don't leave it on exchanges to dangerous, so many things to write down, but I guess you know it already.

Mainstream is not around the corner, I wish it was... but it has to be much easier to access before people drop there hard earned money in.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: 3x2 on June 29, 2017, 02:10:56 PM
100BN Marketcap for blockchain tech is a bubble? 100BN is nothing.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: hanlieuiypm9832 on June 29, 2017, 02:27:24 PM
2010. It's a Bubble!
2011. It's a Bubble!
2012. It's a Bubble!
2013. It's a Bubble!
2014. It's a Bubble!
2015. It's a Bubble!
2016. It's a Bubble!
2017. It's a Bubble!

Unless Crypto is deemed illegal (which will not happen ever) it will continue to rise, with ups and downs!

Haha, that is an interesting comment. We have to admit the market cap of the cryptocurrency are much bigger then ever before. I think it will go down for a while but will grow further.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: jackychanxxx on June 30, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
We see this kind of thread almost every week. I don't think the bubble will burst in a near future.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: thompshma on June 30, 2017, 03:15:52 PM
It seems like we just went through the Bull Trap.
I don't think the market is going to drastically drop but the correction is not over.



Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Cart on June 30, 2017, 03:25:18 PM
What we see are corrections, not bubble bursts. We will see many corrections to the top..


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: noeeel on June 30, 2017, 03:37:10 PM
What we see are corrections, not bubble bursts. We will see many corrections to the top..

I think there will be a Dollar bubble, meaning crypto market cap will hit one time again 50 Bil, that is the time to buy back.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: jay8291 on June 30, 2017, 05:40:12 PM
People keep saying this from 2010, yet we reached 3k without much downside. I think the correction phase is over for now & BTC can start going up.

Lets wait and see what happens before Aug 1st.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: mnemonicsoup on June 30, 2017, 07:15:31 PM
What bubble?


https://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/c400f0c7ec9ee9001bbcbf615f249184.png


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: sfa00076 on July 01, 2017, 05:28:47 PM
bill gate is in a bubble :)


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: RedNovember on July 01, 2017, 05:32:43 PM
There is a lot of volatility so people think it's now bubble burst. They don't understand every single technology has growing pains

People really need to wake up and drink the coffee. The future is bright imo


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: thompshma on July 01, 2017, 05:33:28 PM
Everyone is about to remind themselves that they are a "long term investor"
Resistance is futile we are on our way down.
In years though we are still positive.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: sfa00076 on July 01, 2017, 05:35:51 PM
well its not a bubble imo but its also the fact that some coins are indeed too high now after the hype..
some healthy corrections are needed before the market can grow
one can hold their bag for sure if they are in long term views but those who bother and have time can unload and get back the coins at lower price of course imo 8) 8)


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: wawaTwice on July 05, 2017, 09:01:18 PM

I like this image. Actually, this image explains why some shitty pseudo great mind (Snapchat's First Investor) said that
1 bitcoin could be worth 500,000 USD by 2030. How did he come to that conclusion?

Take gold market-cap: 8.2T$
take bitcoin market cap: 42b$

8200/42 = 195

and 2600$ (price of 1 bitcoin for a market-cap of 42b$) x 195 = 507,000$


I don't say that bitcoin won't worth 500,000 USD in 2030. Nobody knows the future, I just explain how such douche bag
can make such prediction. It isn't rocket science and it is not because one Investor says this based on simple maths that even a 5 years old boy can handle
that it will likely to happen in the future!


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: Abricotier on July 05, 2017, 09:05:04 PM

From this chart I understand that Bitcoin x20 = ~Apple. Bitcoin, can, as the most popular fund transfer tool in ten years, reach the marketcap of Apple. So, by 2030, 50 000$/BTC seems highly feasible.


Title: Re: WILL THE BUBBLE BUST OR NOT
Post by: DesignCrypto on July 06, 2017, 01:01:56 AM
If I had a dollar for everytime someone said theres a bubble lol.