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Title: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: BenTuras on May 09, 2013, 07:38:37 PM It's just an odd thought that I just had, while reading the 3 companies rating thread.
Could it be that Avalon is late with B2 & B3 because they are developing new much more efficient V2 chips and close to the finish line and want to use these new chips ? Like a 2 slot 100Gh machine, 400W or even better ? B1 buyers will not be pissed (except for the few that got it late or not at all), since they already have been mining a nice amount of BTC. B2/B3 buyers will soon forget their grief, since they will get a better machine and recoup the lost time and BTC. The chip buyers will probably get V1 chips, and that's ok. The chip price is reasonable IMHO. And it would be odd if they would create a huge competition for themselves. I know they are not in it for the money, still who would make their own business hard ? Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: cedivad on May 09, 2013, 07:40:48 PM They said that they will keep the current lineup of chips on sales until at least the end of the year, so i don't think that they will release a lower-nm lineup anytime soon.
I think that everyone was fine with receiving a batch 2 from march to april and a batch 3 during this month, so why going into problems if the roi is finally the same? Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: dogie on May 09, 2013, 08:47:59 PM B2 is identical to B1. B3 might have a different, smaller case, don't think it was finalised. B4 will likely have the half size avalons.
Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: GenTarkin on May 09, 2013, 09:31:07 PM Avalon .. they are becoming the next BFL =(
its sad Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: dogie on May 09, 2013, 09:49:16 PM Avalon .. they are becoming the next BFL =( its sad How on earth do you start comparing 6 months of "ITS COMING NEXT WEEK BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY MORE ITS HERE GOGOGO OR LOSE AND DIE" to 3 weeks of "yeah sorry team has been ill, off schedule by a few weeks." Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: minternj on May 09, 2013, 10:01:22 PM Avalon .. they are becoming the next BFL =( its sad How on earth do you start comparing 6 months of "ITS COMING NEXT WEEK BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY MORE ITS HERE GOGOGO OR LOSE AND DIE" to 3 weeks of "yeah sorry team has been ill, off schedule by a few weeks." for the guy still waiting for batch 1 order it's more than 3 weeks... Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: CoinHoarder on May 09, 2013, 10:02:22 PM Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: ecliptic on May 10, 2013, 12:50:11 AM Seriously doubt they would turn around and NRE a new mask at a lower fab node so quickly.
But I admit I'm not sure how much more the NRE is as your fab node shrinks. double each node? exponential? They'd be spending a few million, bare minimum, for marginally (relatively speaking compared to the leaps of cpu->gpu->fpga->asic(any nanometer-node)) little return. think of it this way - ASIC Miner is all capitalism, all the way down, and i think they even have a slower/more power hungry ASIC than avalon? they haven't re-invested into a better / more efficient / faster node. Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: StringTheory on May 10, 2013, 07:05:45 PM They have already paid the NRE to develop their gen 1 chips. I dont see them going away anytime soon.
Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: dogie on May 10, 2013, 07:29:18 PM Avalon .. they are becoming the next BFL =( its sad How on earth do you start comparing 6 months of "ITS COMING NEXT WEEK BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY MORE ITS HERE GOGOGO OR LOSE AND DIE" to 3 weeks of "yeah sorry team has been ill, off schedule by a few weeks." for the guy still waiting for batch 1 order it's more than 3 weeks... Comparing 1-3 people and 20,000 odd orders OP Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: mrb on May 10, 2013, 08:22:05 PM They'd be spending a few million, bare minimum, for marginally (relatively speaking compared to the leaps of cpu->gpu->fpga->asic(any nanometer-node)) little return. A die shrink from Avalon's 110nm to 90nm or even 65nm would not cost millions. http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=73 (that said I am certain batch 2 and 3 will be on the same 110nm). Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: minternj on May 10, 2013, 08:32:31 PM Avalon .. they are becoming the next BFL =( its sad How on earth do you start comparing 6 months of "ITS COMING NEXT WEEK BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY MORE ITS HERE GOGOGO OR LOSE AND DIE" to 3 weeks of "yeah sorry team has been ill, off schedule by a few weeks." for the guy still waiting for batch 1 order it's more than 3 weeks... Comparing 1-3 people and 20,000 odd orders OP Just saying tell that to the guys still waiting for batch 1 that they are only waiting 3 weeks. b3 shipping is unknown now as is chips. Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: computerparts on May 10, 2013, 11:46:44 PM It's just an odd thought that I just had, while reading the 3 companies rating thread. Could it be that Avalon is late with B2 & B3 because they are developing new much more efficient V2 chips and close to the finish line and want to use these new chips ? Like a 2 slot 100Gh machine, 400W or even better ? Yes and they will sell for $50k worth of btc. Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: Syke on May 11, 2013, 04:08:30 AM A die shrink from Avalon's 110nm to 90nm or even 65nm would not cost millions. http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=73 (that said I am certain batch 2 and 3 will be on the same 110nm). I'll be first in line when they announce taking orders for a die-shrunk Avalon. Title: Re: Avalon B2/B3 late: Are they going to surprise us with a more efficient miner ? Post by: dan99 on May 11, 2013, 04:41:06 AM Yes very likely because they need to be more competitive in the market
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