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Title: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: DarkKnight68 on July 09, 2017, 02:45:14 PM
Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law? Which is better for the public safety?


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: joebrook on July 10, 2017, 09:31:08 PM
Martial Law are initaied by dictators and tyrants who seek to control their citizens, it does bring about law and order but it takes away basic human rights from the people.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: squatz1 on July 10, 2017, 10:50:04 PM
Martial Law are initaied by dictators and tyrants who seek to control their citizens, it does bring about law and order but it takes away basic human rights from the people.

This isn't true as Martial law is sometimes used in order to stop violence from spreading in an area, it can be used tactically at moments where a country is facing interernal dangers (be it a coup) or something along those lines, and they must go into Martial law to coordinate the defense of their country.

If you go forward and even look online with something like this, you're able to see that developed countries use this all the time and it's not only used by dictators - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

Take a look and fix your argument.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Moloch on July 10, 2017, 11:32:53 PM
Nobody wants to live under marshal law, what a silly question

I really can't see a time where marshal law would be a good thing

It is usually used to suppress political opposition and gain tighter control of the government... but if there is opposition to the government, there is probably good reason for the opposition, and it shouldn't be suppressed with military force... might does not make right


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: gabmen on July 11, 2017, 05:51:21 PM
There are reasons why there's such a thing as martial law. There are instances when martial law would be deemed necessary like when the country is threatened by an outside force. I don't think people should actually fear martial law if it's implemented for the correct reasons.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Wal.Bob12 on July 11, 2017, 06:44:50 PM
Sometimes martial law is absolutely necessary but it can be quickly abused. After a mass attack, it's important to keep civilians out of harm's way. Yet, if you don't have safegaurds in place and martial law is abused - > it's horrible.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: tikalbong on July 11, 2017, 11:32:09 PM
Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law? Which is better for the public safety?

It always depends on the situation, if there is a national threat, then martial law would be great. If your concern is only the public safety, what is the use of the police right?


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Love! on July 11, 2017, 11:38:50 PM
Martial law can also be implemented on a local level. The South side of Chicago Illinois in the U.S. for example needs martial law at all times. Their murder rate is so high that it would be justified.

People call it "Chi-raq" for a reason.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: BADecker on July 12, 2017, 12:52:41 AM
If you take a look at all Governments, they are promoting at least a mild form of marshal law if they make laws for their citizens to obey.

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Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Sithara007 on July 12, 2017, 01:14:28 AM
Martial law impedes normal civilian life, but it becomes necessary when the situation is desperate. For example, the imposition of martial law can reduce crime and restore law and order in cities such as Detroit.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: matchi2011 on July 12, 2017, 02:29:23 AM
The problem with martial law is that most governments who've implemented it usually does it for the wrong reason. To stay longer in power, to oppress those that oppose them, and all. That puts marshall law in a very bad light where human rights most of the time gets thrown out the window. But i think a lot of us already agrees that it is necessary sometimes in a country that's having a security situation.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Makka on July 12, 2017, 03:26:53 AM
Don't try to bring up such topic without providing certain details. We cannot simply assess Martial Law as black or white. You have to qualify and contextualize Martial Law. Otherwise, Martial Law per se cannot be considered bad or good.

The hows, when, why, and so many other considerations have to be taken into account. Otherwise, we are discussing something with unsound basis.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on July 12, 2017, 11:11:16 AM
Martial Law are initaied by dictators and tyrants who seek to control their citizens, it does bring about law and order but it takes away basic human rights from the people.

No, your 101 vocabulary doesnt seem to grasp the concept of martial law.

The martial law concept in the United States is closely tied with the right of habeas corpus, which is in essence the right to a hearing on lawful imprisonment, or more broadly, the supervision of law enforcement by the judiciary. The ability to suspend habeas corpus is related to the imposition of martial law. Article 1, Section 9 of the US Constitution states, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

In United States law, martial law is limited by several court decisions that were handed down between the American Civil War and World War II. In 1878, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids military involvement in domestic law enforcement without congressional approval.

As you can see martial law itself has nothing to do with your government system and all to do with security situation.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: deejhay on July 12, 2017, 12:40:54 PM
martial law is needed to supress any act of terorism if it is going out of controll. any country would need it if they dont want their country to be destroyed in times of crisis,


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: malikusama on July 12, 2017, 09:11:23 PM
Usually as seen from the history martial law is not used for what it was made for. In the present world dictators use it to take control over the state, in these scenarios I am against the martial law which affects the roots of democracy.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: darkangel11 on July 12, 2017, 09:43:01 PM
martial law is needed to supress any act of terorism if it is going out of controll. any country would need it if they dont want their country to be destroyed in times of crisis,

Don't joke around. Governments love to abuse this rights to suppress protesters. On one hand an average citizen that doesn't want to stand against any of the established laws finds martial law to be good, because it forces people off the streets, stops all the hassle and allows to watch TV in peace, but this average citizen is usually a selfish moron, who doesn't get he may one day find himself on the other side of the barricade, facing armed men that want to beat him to a pulp for having an opinion.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: darkenedsoul on July 12, 2017, 09:52:43 PM
Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law? Which is better for the public safety?

I believe the police force already has become over militarized over the recent years.. You see things nowdays already in local law enforcements hands that used to be used during wartime only. IE- Stingrays/Cell site Stimulators. Used to be used to find terrorists hiding in caves, now its used to find anyone, anywhere. Feds have been teaching local law enforcement how to use these devices to take all kinds of data from unsuspecting peoples phones.

Now lets talk civil forfeitures and how much of the FBI's budget comes from money seized from people. Regular people getting stopped with over $10,000 are getting everything taken from them all because of bs laws designed to hurt drug kingpins.

Martial Law would be an all out massacre. People's rights are infringed upon as is enough.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Kotone on July 12, 2017, 11:15:56 PM
Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law? Which is better for the public safety?
Im a pro martial law but those army who are not in marawi city who fight againts so called isi is just killing each other friendly fire i don't get it how the coordinates can be mistaken and they bomb there own soldiers martial law is easy to understand just follow the rules and everything will be okay.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: keeee on July 13, 2017, 05:10:39 AM
Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law? Which is better for the public safety?

 I'm pro in Martial law as long as abusement should not arise. When we look at the good side, it was very helpful. Warrant of arrest is not needed anymore, corrupting Writh of Habeas Corpus. But since warrant is not needed anymore, it was so easy to be abuse by soldiers. I hope that they are responsible enough on implenting it. Btw I'm  speaking from Philippines.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: viean on July 14, 2017, 10:31:51 AM
There is positivity in every negative. Without this event, we Filipinos are continued to be under their powers unable to speak out but with courage and unity we regained our freedom and forever to be influenced by this event making us where we are now even with the traumatizing events that scars the history but also nurtures it which encourages us.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Supreemo on July 14, 2017, 11:49:44 AM
,i just thought like this, if the society is uncontrollable by the government, it is already the time martial law will be decided or being promoted. I dont think it would harm the citizens living in that area as long as they follow the rules and orders of the law for whats best for them.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: SugoiSenpai on July 15, 2017, 01:46:30 AM
Im an anti martial law, if the country doesn't have any major problems. But if it does have a major problem such as rebels, terrorists, war, etc. Martial Law is needed for our country to be safe.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: hyunee on July 17, 2017, 07:46:46 AM
Pro Martial Law. But it really depends on the grounds. Declaring a Martial Law should have a base in doing so. But here in the Philippines particularly in Marawi City i agree in declaring Martial Law. It is to protect people in Mindanao.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: gabmen on July 17, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
Marshall law has been used and abused by a lot of leaders already in the past and that puts a dark bloosy stain in it. But we have to understand that given the right circumstances,marshall law is necessary. This argument again has been brought up with the declaration in southern philippines due to a terrorist group holding a town there affecting a lot of people. People still are incorporating marshall law to how it was used to suppress freedom a couplenof decades back by a past president. The current situation i think is a lot different from what happened then and now i think the cause is just.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: joebrook on July 17, 2017, 10:34:08 AM
Martial Law are initaied by dictators and tyrants who seek to control their citizens, it does bring about law and order but it takes away basic human rights from the people.

This isn't true as Martial law is sometimes used in order to stop violence from spreading in an area, it can be used tactically at moments where a country is facing interernal dangers (be it a coup) or something along those lines, and they must go into Martial law to coordinate the defense of their country.

If you go forward and even look online with something like this, you're able to see that developed countries use this all the time and it's not only used by dictators - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

Take a look and fix your argument.
I have seen situations where leaders invoke Martial Law to stop people from staging a protest against a corrupt regime, They kill protesters and later claim that they were staging a riot, with regards to what Duterte is doing i will call it a legit martial law.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Xester on July 17, 2017, 10:47:02 AM
I am in favor of martial law.  Well, there is nothing really bad about it and there is nothing to be afraid of.  If my country will be placed under martial law I think I will feel much better and safe.   There is nothing to worry about the crimes because there were policemen and military everywhere.  Even if you came home late, for sure you will feel safer.  It is not about the dictatorship, I see it more as safeness and the feeling of being secured.  And as a law abiding citizen, there is nothing to be afraid of.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: galestorm on July 17, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
Pro martial law, but it depends on the situation. If it is done for the sake of the country's welfare and the safety of its citizens then why not? Though Filipinoes often think of Martial law as something that is violent and cruel, a way that gets rid of the citizen's human rights and its all because of what happened in Marcos' reign. Martial law in his time will forever linger in the hearts and minds of every filipino citizen today.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: The_prodigy on July 17, 2017, 03:56:18 PM
Pro martial law, but it depends on the situation. If it is done for the sake of the country's welfare and the safety of its citizens then why not? Though Filipinoes often think of Martial law as something that is violent and cruel, a way that gets rid of the citizen's human rights and its all because of what happened in Marcos' reign. Martial law in his time will forever linger in the hearts and minds of every filipino citizen today.

I think it depends on the context if Martial Law is implemented and there are rules and standards and limitations then i think it would benefit the cou try long term. However a martial law that is used to incite tyranny and to lengthen one's rule is not welcome in this age of freedom and democracy. If used to provide improvements and public safety then I am all i. 


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: bcnaranjo on August 14, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
When I will based my opionion from the book that I've read from my social science classes,I will definitely say Martial Law has done no good for the country and has recorded many violations of human rights. However,if I will based my opinion on what is happening today,I would say my impressions of Martial Law before is not what is happening now. Today,it was declared in order to protect the law abiding citizens from those criminals and unjust people.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: Xester on August 14, 2017, 11:58:38 AM
When I will based my opionion from the book that I've read from my social science classes,I will definitely say Martial Law has done no good for the country and has recorded many violations of human rights. However,if I will based my opinion on what is happening today,I would say my impressions of Martial Law before is not what is happening now. Today,it was declared in order to protect the law abiding citizens from those criminals and unjust people.

I agree to you, martial law only bring many problems. One is many human right have been violated like many killings are happening. But martial law is the only solution to stop all the fight that is happening now in Mindanao. It will help those innocent people to be place in safe and arm forces of the Philippines helps already those soldier who fight first to finish already the ongoing war. So I am a pro but I am also anti because it will depends on what will happen.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: SamPo on November 21, 2017, 04:51:34 AM
Martial Law are initaied by dictators and tyrants who seek to control their citizens, it does bring about law and order but it takes away basic human rights from the people.


I'm not a pro nor an anti martial law. I dont know what is the feeling  being in a martial law or experiencing martial law so really don't have an idea about it. For what I heaed from the people who exoerience it. Martial law is not bad. If you did wrong then you'll be killed but if your follow the law there will be nothing will happen to you.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: ttbd on November 21, 2017, 05:01:15 AM
I'm a pro martial law. Less crimes to a society if they proclaim martial law.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: salinizm on November 21, 2017, 08:14:55 AM
Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law? Which is better for the public safety?

I am completely against martial law. Because, all of the tyrants are supporting martial law to manipulate their victims properly. Martial law are limiting human's freedom . As a result of this, Human rights are violated  by this horrible laws. Authorities immediately wipe martial law off from the earth.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: charmaine08 on November 21, 2017, 11:05:40 AM
Martial Law are initaied by dictators and tyrants who seek to control their citizens, it does bring about law and order but it takes away basic human rights from the people.


Based on history that I have read martial law causes some danger in many people .also many people suffered from the governments hand because of martial law may people die and lost there freedom and opinions. So I am in anti martial law


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: ecfel on November 21, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
Martial law is good if its used for its purpose and that is to protect the people efficiently in times of crisis.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: TheGodFather on November 21, 2017, 11:36:49 AM
Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law? Which is better for the public safety?

aNytging that hinders the good and the freedom of the people just so for a few people to abuse their office and the power and privileges tjag comes with it iwould always say no to and yhat is something tjat would never chage as I have heard the pleas of its victims. And never again


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: rowel21 on November 21, 2017, 11:45:59 AM
Martial law is a way to defend the republic to the one who wants to control it and steal it those revolunary every president will use this offense when somebody want to bring them down just for there own interest
You can never  say that martial law is a bad to declare just because there's a hear say of abuse not evry brain of soldier is controlled by president some times a lot of inhuman take anvantage of the situation just to make the administration look bad and evil


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: RoronoaJorah on November 21, 2017, 11:47:31 AM
I am pro martial law depending on situation if there's national threat mostly people in  those places under martial law are likely in favor of it for safety and orderliness.


Title: Re: Pro Martial Law or Anti Martial Law?
Post by: JesusCryptos on November 29, 2017, 09:59:32 AM
I am much more in favour of martial arts versus martial law. Martial law sucks big time, while martial arts on the contrary is cool.