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Title: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: bornloser on May 11, 2013, 08:57:54 PM
I have been glancing of the minute by minute trades on Mt Cox over the last couple days. I know we have been trading sideways, but it almost has that "feel" that something is being set up. Looking at some of the larger (500+) coin trades, sells and buys, the price really isnt getting affected as much as it has in the past and on top of that there is hardly any volume, which you would think would exacerbate the price even more? The price is staying in a super tight range. It reminds me when I used to trade stocks and there would be a huge sell off and the price of the stock would open lower and stay at the same low give or take a dollar all day. Huge blocks would sell and the price stayed relatively flat. You know It was the market maker sitting there buying buying and goosing the market and letting it go a little bit at a time so he slowly unloaded probably the majority of what he bought as the buyer of last resort. I have no idea if this is consolidating for a move up or down. What do you guys think?


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: wonkytonky on May 11, 2013, 09:04:30 PM
I have been glancing of the minute by minute trades on Mt Cox over the last couple days. I know we have been trading sideways, but it almost has that "feel" that something is being set up. Looking at some of the larger (500+) coin trades, sells and buys, the price really isnt getting affected as much as it has in the past and on top of that there is hardly any volume, which you would think would exacerbate the price even more? The price is staying in a super tight range. It reminds me when I used to trade stocks and there would be a huge sell off and the price of the stock would open lower and stay at the same low give or take a dollar all day. Huge blocks would sell and the price stayed relatively flat. You know It was the market maker sitting there buying buying and goosing the market and letting it go a little bit at a time so he slowly unloaded probably the majority of what he bought as the buyer of last resort. I have no idea if this is consolidating for a move up or down. What do you guys think?

this is bitcoin.. there's always something being set up :)   


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: bornloser on May 11, 2013, 09:19:41 PM
 
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this is bitcoin.. there's always something being set up :)   
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could you elaborate?


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: CoinBomb on May 11, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
did someone mention bombs? 8)


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: BubbleBoy on May 11, 2013, 09:34:38 PM
"Sideways" is a movement that can be recognized only in retrospect. What we see here is that the reflexive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexivity_%28social_theory%29) market believes about itself that it has settled for a price around 115 and it cancels the sideways motion, acting as a faux market maker.

IMHO this price is not sustainable without a bubble, china hype, ATMs... as the market will soon realize.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: BitcoinAshley on May 11, 2013, 10:51:47 PM
Well, there are more and more people interested in combating volatility... more market-making bots being run... Perhaps they are succeeding at the moment.

I suggest to take off every zig.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: smoothie on May 11, 2013, 11:12:04 PM
Just remember it isn't a bad thing to take some profits.

Taking a loss is different though.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Hfleer on May 11, 2013, 11:28:12 PM
think people are just waiting on some more news good or bad before making moves.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Frozenlock on May 11, 2013, 11:32:40 PM
Just remember it isn't a bad thing to take some profits.

Taking a loss is different though.

Isn't a bad thing to cut your losses either (if any of you bought +$120).  ;)


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Crypt_Current on May 11, 2013, 11:32:56 PM
Whatever it is, we can only hope it's for Great Justice

Edit:  lulz @ "Mt Cox"


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: bornloser on May 12, 2013, 01:08:15 AM
I can't help myself. I look at bitcoins like i look at stocks and I shouldn't. Two completely different animals. My gut says we go higher. And the only reason I think this is because, whether it be the big money or exchanges, its in their best interest to keep everything as positive as possible to keep new money coming in and existing money invested in coins to stay that way. Just my 2c.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: superduh on May 12, 2013, 01:23:44 AM
there's a big conference in a week - if things look positive this should push the prices up, way up.
i thought bubbleboy was done with bitcoins and unto better things to do with his time


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Frozenlock on May 12, 2013, 01:28:33 AM
there's a big conference in a week - if things look positive this should push the prices up, way up.

How would that influence the price in any way?
Those going to the conference are already Bitcoin zealots.

Are they going to buy by the buckets just because there was some good news?


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: amencon on May 12, 2013, 01:33:17 AM
there's a big conference in a week - if things look positive this should push the prices up, way up.

How would that influence the price in any way?
Those going to the conference are already Bitcoin zealots.

Are they going to buy by the buckets just because there was some good news?


Yeah I wouldn't expect any sharp rises due only to the conference.  From what I remember previous successful conferences had little effect on the price in the short term.  In my opinion the most value the conferences have are the networking opportunity they present to the people that build the infrastructure around bitcoins.  People meet and come up with ideas, then it takes time for those ideas to be collaborated on and hopefully eventually made a reality, but all that can take awhile.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Elwar on May 12, 2013, 01:39:33 AM
Somebody set up us the bomb.

make your time


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: NamelessOne on May 12, 2013, 03:22:51 AM
Take off every zig!


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: xavier on May 12, 2013, 03:35:48 AM
I have been glancing of the minute by minute trades on Mt Cox over the last couple days. I know we have been trading sideways, but it almost has that "feel" that something is being set up. Looking at some of the larger (500+) coin trades, sells and buys, the price really isnt getting affected as much as it has in the past and on top of that there is hardly any volume, which you would think would exacerbate the price even more? The price is staying in a super tight range. It reminds me when I used to trade stocks and there would be a huge sell off and the price of the stock would open lower and stay at the same low give or take a dollar all day. Huge blocks would sell and the price stayed relatively flat. You know It was the market maker sitting there buying buying and goosing the market and letting it go a little bit at a time so he slowly unloaded probably the majority of what he bought as the buyer of last resort. I have no idea if this is consolidating for a move up or down. What do you guys think?

Well u got used to a bubble, an influx of new people moving money to gox

Now the hype is over there is nobody to buy. Only sellers who bought in high anxiously watching the price hoping it will go up.

What has happened is we moved from a bull to a bear market. As people realize volumes are not going anywhere for the timebeing, the price will continue trending downwards.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: dopamine on May 12, 2013, 03:37:35 AM
nothing wrong with a consolidation period before the next leg up...


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: ronaldlee0917 on May 12, 2013, 05:20:44 AM
there's a big conference in a week - if things look positive this should push the prices up, way up.

How would that influence the price in any way?
Those going to the conference are already Bitcoin zealots.

Are they going to buy by the buckets just because there was some good news?

There will be increased media coverage.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Frozenlock on May 12, 2013, 05:35:48 AM
there's a big conference in a week - if things look positive this should push the prices up, way up.

How would that influence the price in any way?
Those going to the conference are already Bitcoin zealots.

Are they going to buy by the buckets just because there was some good news?

There will be increased media coverage.

So? This will be but a drop in the ocean of last month's coverage.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: ronaldlee0917 on May 12, 2013, 05:43:18 AM
there's a big conference in a week - if things look positive this should push the prices up, way up.

How would that influence the price in any way?
Those going to the conference are already Bitcoin zealots.

Are they going to buy by the buckets just because there was some good news?

There will be increased media coverage.

So? This will be but a drop in the ocean of last month's coverage.
So more people will know about Bitcoin which means more potential investors and adopters.
I don't think it is a drop in the ocean, it is an annual event afterall.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: dwdoc on May 12, 2013, 05:46:14 AM
When the US stock market bubble bursts in a few months there will be a significant uptick in BTC.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: 600watt on May 12, 2013, 09:27:40 AM
there's a big conference in a week - if things look positive this should push the prices up, way up.

How would that influence the price in any way?
Those going to the conference are already Bitcoin zealots.

Are they going to buy by the buckets just because there was some good news?

There will be increased media coverage.

So? This will be but a drop in the ocean of last month's coverage.

this poll carried out by a major poll institute reveals that one out of six germans "know" bitcoins. one out of five would use it in the future for payments. the article is headlined with "only one out of six germans..."   i would consider this not deserving an "only" but instead an "already". no marketing effort, no big company paid for this campaign. every payment provider wishes their system would be so wellknown without any marketing budget.

http://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Nur-jeder-sechste-Deutsche-kennt-Bitcoins-1854908.html




Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: smoothie on May 12, 2013, 09:34:16 AM
When the US stock market bubble bursts in a few months there will be a significant uptick in BTC.

There might just be the opposite of your predictions holding true if this were to happen with the US Stock market.

Time will tell.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Zaih on May 12, 2013, 09:46:25 AM
I have exactly the same feeling :P

This stability just isn't like Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: xavier on May 12, 2013, 03:45:22 PM
The market is still in a bit of a bubble mode. Many people still holding coins waiting for price to increase. When they realize it will not increase, they will sell and price will go down.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Bro on May 12, 2013, 03:52:40 PM
This is what economists call a butthurt market.
Bulls and bears are confused about their own nature.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Pzi4nk on May 12, 2013, 04:55:29 PM

this poll carried out by a major poll institute reveals that one out of six germans "know" bitcoins. one out of five would use it in the future for payments. the article is headlined with "only one out of six germans..."   i would consider this not deserving an "only" but instead an "already". no marketing effort, no big company paid for this campaign. every payment provider wishes their system would be so wellknown without any marketing budget.

http://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Nur-jeder-sechste-Deutsche-kennt-Bitcoins-1854908.html


How can 20% of Germans say they're willing to use bitcoin for future payments if only 17% know about them?


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: superduh on May 12, 2013, 05:04:01 PM
what i meant is that i am very sure there will be MANY announcements occurring and i'm hoping that at least some of them don't suck.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: blackreplica on May 12, 2013, 05:08:27 PM

this poll carried out by a major poll institute reveals that one out of six germans "know" bitcoins. one out of five would use it in the future for payments. the article is headlined with "only one out of six germans..."   i would consider this not deserving an "only" but instead an "already". no marketing effort, no big company paid for this campaign. every payment provider wishes their system would be so wellknown without any marketing budget.

http://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Nur-jeder-sechste-Deutsche-kennt-Bitcoins-1854908.html


How can 20% of Germans say they're willing to use bitcoin for future payments if only 17% know about them?

One in five OUT OF THE ONE IN SIX WHO HAVE HEARD OF BITCOIN would use them.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: ineededausername on May 12, 2013, 05:10:33 PM

this poll carried out by a major poll institute reveals that one out of six germans "know" bitcoins. one out of five would use it in the future for payments. the article is headlined with "only one out of six germans..."   i would consider this not deserving an "only" but instead an "already". no marketing effort, no big company paid for this campaign. every payment provider wishes their system would be so wellknown without any marketing budget.

http://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Nur-jeder-sechste-Deutsche-kennt-Bitcoins-1854908.html


How can 20% of Germans say they're willing to use bitcoin for future payments if only 17% know about them?

One in five OUT OF THE ONE IN SIX WHO HAVE HEARD OF BITCOIN would use them.

3% of the population of Germany, or 81m people.  2.4 million willing users already.  That's decent progress!


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: 600watt on May 13, 2013, 08:40:49 AM

this poll carried out by a major poll institute reveals that one out of six germans "know" bitcoins. one out of five would use it in the future for payments. the article is headlined with "only one out of six germans..."   i would consider this not deserving an "only" but instead an "already". no marketing effort, no big company paid for this campaign. every payment provider wishes their system would be so wellknown without any marketing budget.

http://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Nur-jeder-sechste-Deutsche-kennt-Bitcoins-1854908.html


How can 20% of Germans say they're willing to use bitcoin for future payments if only 17% know about them?



there are two possibilities:

it is either every 5th out of the "every 6th" group who knew bitcoin, or

the poll might have asked
1)"have you ever heard about the crypto-currency named bitcoin?"
2) "could you imagine using this internet currency in the future?

it is possible that people could imagine to use such a technology but didnīt know it exists already.

 


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: nwbitcoin on May 13, 2013, 09:21:55 AM
It is funny that for months people have said, what Bitcoin needs is stability, and now it has it, people wonder what's wrong! ;)

The only way to make money in the long term with bitcoin is buying and selling the coin vs fiat.  Trying to speculate on its value rising and falling is not a good long term aim!

We need people to buy and sell stuff, using bitcoins, and now is the ideal opportunity to do so! :)

Who wants to start the Bitcoin Amazon or the Altcoin eBay?  If you don't, someone else will! :)


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: barbs on May 13, 2013, 11:53:05 AM
It is funny that for months people have said, what Bitcoin needs is stability, and now it has it, people wonder what's wrong! ;)

The only way to make money in the long term with bitcoin is buying and selling the coin vs fiat.  Trying to speculate on its value rising and falling is not a good long term aim!

We need people to buy and sell stuff, using bitcoins, and now is the ideal opportunity to do so! :)

Who wants to start the Bitcoin Amazon or the Altcoin eBay?  If you don't, someone else will! :)

This is pretty much why those saying BitCoin Transactions are NOT mainly related to silkroad right now are in denial.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: fourkey2001 on May 13, 2013, 11:57:42 AM
This is what economists call a butthurt market.
Bulls and bears are confused about their own nature.

The fall will happen today. India (second largest economy) market fell like 500 points.. biggest in 5 years. Nasdaq and Dow will go down today....

people will want to recover cash by selling something to buy other stocks...(at their lowest price)

highest at peak is BTC...

so be ready in 2 hours for big sells


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Pzi4nk on May 13, 2013, 12:45:54 PM
The fall will happen today...

so be ready in 2 hours for big sells

Gutsy call, fourkey2001, we'll see how it works out.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: fitty on May 13, 2013, 01:58:49 PM
The fall will happen today...

so be ready in 2 hours for big sells

Gutsy call, fourkey2001, we'll see how it works out.

Check his post history. He says that 5-6 times a day for the last 2 weeks. He sold and now wants back in at a lower price point. Just click ignore he's nothing more then a spammer.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: Rygon on May 13, 2013, 02:12:16 PM
This stability is really boring. Can someone spare $1 Mil to buy/sell on MtGox so we can have something to talk about?


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: antimattercrusader on May 13, 2013, 02:56:25 PM
This stability is really boring. Can someone spare $1 Mil to buy/sell on MtGox so we can have something to talk about?

lol.


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: bornloser on May 15, 2013, 12:09:08 AM
This stability is really boring. Can someone spare $1 Mil to buy/sell on MtGox so we can have something to talk about?

lol.

+1 :D


Title: Re: Something is setting up with the market
Post by: bornloser on May 15, 2013, 12:13:55 AM
Coins are Holding up pretty well. Or is it a bear trap? I am thinking all the real bad news is baked in to the price already, give or take $10 swings. Where do we go from here?