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Title: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Emoclaw on July 19, 2017, 08:07:24 AM
Not sure if there's a similar thread like this, the lock-in period for BIP 91 has begun as of block 476,448.
Since there is unwavering support for it, well over 80%, it will most definitely be activated.
You can watch the current lock-in status here:
https://coin.dance/blocks
https://www.xbt.eu/


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Xester on July 19, 2017, 08:10:51 AM
Not sure if there's a similar thread like this, the lock-in period for BIP 91 has begun as of block 476,448.
Since there is unwavering support for it, well over 80%, it will most definitely be activated.
You can watch the current lock-in status here:
https://coin.dance/blocks
https://www.xbt.eu/

Looking at the charts it seems that the majority of miners including bitmain is signaling for the activation of BIP 91. I am very positive that this kind of protocol will be activated and will be used by all miners so that the possible bitcoin split will be avoided. BIP 91 will be the best solution to both the core developers and the hardfork group. If this will be implemented bitcoin will be more livelier than ever.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: coinvc on July 19, 2017, 08:15:20 AM
BIP91 pass 80% now, good news.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Zammo on July 19, 2017, 10:05:22 AM
At this moment, BitFury and BTC.com have stopped signalling BIP91


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: mike4001 on July 19, 2017, 10:31:25 AM
At this moment, BitFury and BTC.com have stopped signalling BIP91

BitFury always signaled for BIP91 and not Segwit2x

And BTC.com is still signaling for SegWit2x but hasn't produced a block in several hours. But the last one was Segwit2x


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Meuh6879 on July 19, 2017, 03:29:03 PM
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img923/5047/d0i0If.png

Source : https://www.xbt.eu/ (144 blocks)


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Hueristic on July 19, 2017, 03:38:38 PM
https://coin.dance/blocks


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: mike4001 on July 19, 2017, 04:04:39 PM
https://coin.dance/blocks

Not updating for 6 hours ...


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Cryptocoinsmania.com on July 19, 2017, 04:17:29 PM
https://medium.com/@SimpleCrypto/bitcoin-segwit2x-scheduled-to-lock-in-within-2-days-avoiding-chain-split-44e79b77c4a6

We need only 2 days and it is going to be locked. Keep the fingers crossed, guys.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: coinenthu on July 19, 2017, 09:49:32 PM
Waiting for it


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Meuh6879 on July 19, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
Update ... https://www.xbt.eu/

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/5562/3p3God.png


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Hueristic on July 19, 2017, 10:23:40 PM
https://coin.dance/blocks

Not updating for 6 hours ...

Do you have JS enabled for it? Updates when I allow JS to run.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: steamon on July 19, 2017, 10:35:01 PM
Nice piece of history taking place here. I think BIP91 will activate. Let's hope it will.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: thoth-Atlantian on July 20, 2017, 01:35:50 AM
Phew. Now we can get back to making money.
long as Segwit2x doesn't win we will be sweet.  ;D
 


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: CryptoBry on July 20, 2017, 01:41:27 AM
Not sure if there's a similar thread like this, the lock-in period for BIP 91 has begun as of block 476,448.
Since there is unwavering support for it, well over 80%, it will most definitely be activated.
You can watch the current lock-in status here:
https://coin.dance/blocks
https://www.xbt.eu/

Looking at the charts it seems that the majority of miners including bitmain is signaling for the activation of BIP 91. I am very positive that this kind of protocol will be activated and will be used by all miners so that the possible bitcoin split will be avoided. BIP 91 will be the best solution to both the core developers and the hardfork group. If this will be implemented bitcoin will be more livelier than ever.

Finally, they have arrived at a solution which seems to be acceptable by the majority. Actually, this could have been done in the past. There are so many big lessons we can learn from this whole mess. Maybe next time they should make it a point to sit down and listen to each other so that problems and challenges can easily be overcome. They should not let greed and self-vested interests always be the priority.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: pooya87 on July 20, 2017, 03:20:30 AM

i don't know where you get this image which you keep posting it here over an over. but calling these 2 types of block version "EXOTIC" is idiotic. and it is either lack of knowledge or aiming to spread FUD.

the block version 0x20000010 is showing support for BIP91 activation of SegWit.
block version 0x20000012 shows support for 2 things at the same time BIP141 and BIP91 activation for SegWit.

so in fact support for BIP91 is 77.1% according to this chart and support for BIP141 (which the chart mistakenly calls SegWit) is 47.2%
support for SegWit is 95.8%


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: vanluan on July 20, 2017, 05:59:40 AM
I put a bet on SegWit2X  ;D


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: exynos645 on July 20, 2017, 06:03:34 AM
If only f2pool would stop trolling.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Mad7Scientist on July 20, 2017, 02:06:29 PM
Does it trigger on 80% of the NYA string or just BIP91 (bit 4) or both or what? Accordign to the graphs it looks like a lot of clients recently upgraded from the older NYA SegWit2x miner clients to the newer one that signals BIP91 as well. I assume they would also trigger on NYA since they would want compatibility with the older clients who didn't upgrade to get the most possible miners on their side.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Hueristic on July 20, 2017, 02:14:33 PM
Does it trigger on 80% of the NYA string or just BIP91 (bit 4) or both or what? Accordign to the graphs it looks like a lot of clients recently upgraded from the older NYA SegWit2x miner clients to the newer one that signals BIP91 as well. I assume they would also trigger on NYA since they would want compatibility with the older clients who didn't upgrade to get the most possible miners on their side.

BIP 91
269 blocks (80%) in the current 336-block signaling period are required for BIP 91 lock in.
Current Count: 209 / 336 blocks (80.7% so far)
77 blocks remaining in this signalling period.
BIP 91 is currently projected to lock in during this period.   


https://coin.dance/blocks


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: NeuroticFish on July 20, 2017, 02:18:42 PM
Any news from Bitcoin.com and Slush pool? I see that they are still not signaling BIP91 and I doubt that they'll afford to mine blocks on dead fork.
And there are a few more other pools... (interesting...)
I think that sooner or later they'll have to follow the money...


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Hueristic on July 20, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
Any news from Bitcoin.com and Slush pool? I see that they are still not signaling BIP91 and I doubt that they'll afford to mine blocks on dead fork.
And there are a few more other pools... (interesting...)
I think that sooner or later they'll have to follow the money...

After Bip91 passes all miners will have until about november to upgrade before a fork will happen if you look at the blocks being mined you will notice there are some that do not support any upgrades whatsoever.

Scroll to the bottom and look at the transactions and you will see the actual votes.

https://coin.dance/blocks


This is the roadmap in flowchart form that shows what I just explained.

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.epvpimg.com%2FjtWbgab.jpg&t=578&c=Pw7vOeZYvkyh2A

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.epvpimg.com%2FjtWbgab.jpg&t=578&c=Pw7vOeZYvkyh2A


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: PhucS on July 20, 2017, 02:39:23 PM
A few days ago, the BIP 91 accounted for more than 63% but today it has surpassed 80%. The proportion of people support this solution has grown rapidly, and they are looking for a scaling solution. The mining community has agreed to activate BIP 91, I think most likely it will happen. However, everything can happen


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Hueristic on July 20, 2017, 02:42:35 PM
A few days ago, the BIP 91 accounted for more than 63% but today it has surpassed 80%. The proportion of people support this solution has grown rapidly, and they are looking for a scaling solution. The mining community has agreed to activate BIP 91, I think most likely it will happen. However, everything can happen

One large pool can be faking it and revert still and change the outcome. That coupled with DDOS attacks can game the system in place.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Meuh6879 on July 20, 2017, 02:43:11 PM
support for SegWit is 95.8%

No.

Because : http://bitcoin.sipa.be/versions.html


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Hueristic on July 20, 2017, 02:55:41 PM
support for SegWit is 95.8%

No.

Because : http://bitcoin.sipa.be/versions.html

What the hell is BIP9???

Quote
Click on the graphs to see larger versions.
Block Versions

BIP9 Version Signaling:

This is the best link I have found for info on the subject. Enable JS for it to update.

https://coin.dance/blocks


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: MakaveliTheDon on July 20, 2017, 02:57:31 PM
55 blocks to go, 81.1% support so far


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Kprawn on July 20, 2017, 03:16:03 PM
55 blocks to go, 81.1% support so far

The probability of activation is about 90% that it might happen, so I guess we will get there soon. I just hope we will have less issues once this

activates. We have been waiting for this for years and now we are seeing this happening. I hope our reward for this, will be a price increase to

between $3000 and $4000 for this year.  ;)


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: mike4001 on July 20, 2017, 03:42:55 PM
currently 51 out of 67 blocks needed for a lock in which is only 76% (out of the remaining ones)


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Sithara007 on July 20, 2017, 04:20:48 PM
currently 51 out of 67 blocks needed for a lock in which is only 76% (out of the remaining ones)

50 out of 66 needed now (75.75%) and no new block has been mined during the last 35 minutes. It is getting really tense. 66 blocks may take 4 days, right? So we may need to wait until July 24.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Yakamoto on July 20, 2017, 04:31:56 PM
Not sure if there's a similar thread like this, the lock-in period for BIP 91 has begun as of block 476,448.
Since there is unwavering support for it, well over 80%, it will most definitely be activated.
You can watch the current lock-in status here:
https://coin.dance/blocks
https://www.xbt.eu/
Damn, that's impressive. They're really going to go through with this aren't they? I'm impressed that they actually managed to get >80% of the hashrate to agree on something, but if they're going to put it through and make sure that there will be a fork that will hopefully fix the issues we have been experiencing then I guess I'm for it as it stands right now. I want to do a little more research on BIP91 since I looked at Segwit only/mostly during the time I was looking at solutions, but at a glance it seems good.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Sithara007 on July 20, 2017, 04:35:07 PM
Now it is certain, isn't it? 46 needed out of 62, which corresponds to 74.2% of the remaining blocks. If you use any of the well known statistical distributions, then you will find that the probability of the BIP 91 getting locked in during this period is more than 99%. Those who sold their BTC to purchase LTC and Ethereum will be regretting their decision now.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: mike4001 on July 20, 2017, 05:25:44 PM
now 37 out of 52 needed (71%)


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: unso on July 20, 2017, 05:36:29 PM
So like it seems, Bip91 will get through, but what will happen after?

I know its about bigger Blocksizes ect. but how long will it take after Bip91 gets confirmed until the new Blocksize will work for the Chain?


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: ashaw596 on July 20, 2017, 09:01:08 PM
So like it seems, Bip91 will get through, but what will happen after?

I know its about bigger Blocksizes ect. but how long will it take after Bip91 gets confirmed until the new Blocksize will work for the Chain?

Bip 91 itself will not increase the block size or activate segwit. After it locks in, it will activate 336 blocks later. Then the miners will start orphaning blocks which don't signal for segwit activation which will cause segwit to activate 2 weeks after that. Thats it for BIP 91, though as part of the segwit2x plan, the miners will probably try to activate a hard fork in November to increase the block size. That part is very up in the air at this point at how thats going to play out.

Bip 91 itself looks very likely to lockin soon well before UASF.

I think thats mostly accurate, but I might have gotten some details(maybe alot) wrong. Correct me if I did plz!


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: favila on July 20, 2017, 09:02:54 PM
So like it seems, Bip91 will get through, but what will happen after?

I know its about bigger Blocksizes ect. but how long will it take after Bip91 gets confirmed until the new Blocksize will work for the Chain?

Bip 91 itself will not increase the block size or activate segwit. After it locks in, it will activate 336 blocks later. Then the miners will start orphaning blocks which don't signal for segwit activation which will cause segwit to activate 2 weeks after that. Thats it for BIP 91, though as part of the segwit2x plan, the miners will probably try to activate a hard fork in November to increase the block size. That part is very up in the air at this point at how thats going to play out.

Bip 91 itself looks very likely to lockin soon well before UASF.

The people signalling segwit2x already accepted that there will be a block size increase and at this point I don't think anyone is interested in destroying bitcoin so I think that will go off as planned without problems.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: crazyivan on July 20, 2017, 09:23:48 PM
It ll get locked in within a next few hours. Then the next 3 days stage starts. BTC price has already recognized this. What about alts?


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: ashaw596 on July 20, 2017, 09:33:19 PM
So like it seems, Bip91 will get through, but what will happen after?

I know its about bigger Blocksizes ect. but how long will it take after Bip91 gets confirmed until the new Blocksize will work for the Chain?

Bip 91 itself will not increase the block size or activate segwit. After it locks in, it will activate 336 blocks later. Then the miners will start orphaning blocks which don't signal for segwit activation which will cause segwit to activate 2 weeks after that. Thats it for BIP 91, though as part of the segwit2x plan, the miners will probably try to activate a hard fork in November to increase the block size. That part is very up in the air at this point at how thats going to play out.

Bip 91 itself looks very likely to lockin soon well before UASF.

The people signalling segwit2x already accepted that there will be a block size increase and at this point I don't think anyone is interested in destroying bitcoin so I think that will go off as planned without problems.

I think it's clear what they want to do. But I don't believe there is consensus on it with bitcoin users (unlike with segwit). So if Nodes, btc users, and exchanges refuse to follow the 2 MB hard fork, it won't really mean much since everyone will have to update to a new client to support it. They might or might not reach concensus by then since UASF for example already shows theres been alot of pushback against miner control.

If they agree, we'll probs just increase the block size.
If there is concensus not to fork, miners would either have to aquiesce or begin attacking the network (if they have a majority, they can make it so no transactions can be confirmed or they keep getting erased).
If users and miners are split, the blockchain would probably split for at least a while.


Title: Re: BIP 91 lock-in period
Post by: Wendigo on July 20, 2017, 09:40:51 PM
It ll get locked in within a next few hours. Then the next 3 days stage starts. BTC price has already recognized this. What about alts?

Looks like people are selling their alt stashes and buying Bitcoins. Probably to cash out to fiat is my guess. Next week will be insane I think. Bitcoin will enter crazy town lol.