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If satoshi was supposedly Japanese, and he is listed as the founder of the forum, why isn't the UI in Japanese, and why didn't he post in Japanese?

Why? Because he probably wasn't really Japanese.

He was most definitely English :D

Well, an English-speaker, at any rate.

If the Sony Playstation is designed in Japan, why isn't it only in Japanese? Powerful logic here, guys.

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Post a link to the most popular Japanese forum, then.  Given that the creator is Japanese, there should be a massive Japanese following, right?

Nationalism is not a justification. You can't say that the Japanese should like it just because the creator is Japanese. Furthermore, English is the language of money and trade. Someone smart enough to design something like Bitcoin wouldn't be dumb enough to limit it to the Japanese.

On the contrary, if the creator was Japanese, living in Japan, the first people who would take notice are the Japanese, as he would likely be speaking with other Japanese associates who were interested in his idea; I don't know how many non-Japanese speakers live outside of Japan, but I wager it isn't much.  Considering that Satoshi was extremely well-versed in the English language, spent most of his time awake during Western hours, and never spoke Japanese while he was here, or anywhere where his name followed, I argue that the name is false and he isn't from Japan, or wasn't there while developing Bitcoin, which in either case, I don't consider him Japanese, which is why your parody, "If the Sony Playstation is designed in Japan, why isn't it only in Japanese?", doesn't really work out to begin with.  Satoshi wasn't in Japan, and probably wasn't Japanese, which, as the OP asked, is why there isn't a major Japanese forum, and why Satoshi doesn't speak Japanese.

No, a person wishing to remain anonymous would not go out and meet many people to explain his idea, especially not in the location in which he lives. The internet is an English dominated means of conveyance. A Japanese person would quickly realize that Japan is very small and would like to reach a wider audience. It makes absolutely no sense to offer Bitcoin to the Japanese first, just like it makes no sense to offer a Playstation only to the Japanese. It is understable to claim Satoshi is most likely not Japanese, however your evidence for such a hypothesis is nonexistent.

And yet, Sony does release the consoles and games in Japan first, and there are many that never make it over. (or only make it over untranslated)

If he wanted to remain anonymous, why would you assume he was Japanese?  Here's the problem; you seem to still assume, or are playing off the OP's assumption, that Satoshi is actually Japanese, in some form or another.  If I wanted to remain completely anonymous, I'd invent a false identity, right?  And I'd probably pick something nobody would suspect, but could easily adopt; the Japanese are stereotyped to be highly logical and literal people, with super-powered brains who could invent something like Bitcoin.  That's the kind of image I'd want people to believe; not some white guy living somewhere much further west, despite Satoshi's personality and other habits pointing in this direction.  If this evidence doesn't count, then your evidence, that Satoshi was being honest about his name and character, requires a lot of naivety to count as "existent".  It's not that Satoshi would only offer the Playstation to the Japanese (which doesn't make sense to begin with, as the Playstation is already offered in multiple languages, and nowhere have we come to the conclusion that Satoshi would've only released his product in Japanese,) it's that he isn't Japanese and wouldn't have offered it to begin with, due to a language barrier, and more importantly, because he doesn't care about the Japanese.

There is no reason to assume he is anything other than what he said he was, since neither you nor I can prove otherwise. Speculation is fine, but claiming it as fact is simply incorrect.

Fine.

And by the way, I'm actually president Obama.

There are plenty of reasons:

While highly unlikely, it is entirely possible and I am not able to prove such a thing incorrect.


Like I said, speculation is fine. Arguing this as evidence against Satoshi is futile, because it implies that:

1. A Japanese person is not allowed to be awake during certain hours of the day.
2. A Japanese person can't speak good English.
3. A Japanese person can't voluntarily refuse to communicate in Japanese.

Since those three points are absolute nonsense, your evidence is in fact not evidence at all.

1. A Japanese person is much less likely to be awake during certain hours of the night.
2. A Japanese person is apt to make specific grammatical errors, none of which Satoshi made. (It's speak English well, btw... "speak good English" is not good English. ;) )
3. A Japanese person would naturally be more comfortable speaking in his native language.

These are not proof that Satoshi was in fact a US-based native speaker of English, but they are evidence.

Let's hit this problem with Occam's Razor: Which is more probable, that a native English speaker would choose a Japanese pseudonym, or that a native Japanese speaker would choose a Japanese pseudonym, and then proceed to go to great lengths to pretend to be a native English speaker using a Japanese pseudonym?

You seem to be unaware of two vital concepts in human beings: lying, and detection of lies, otherwise known as "doubt".  I "doubt" Satoshi is Japanese.  I "doubt" he is Japanese so much, that it is beyond reason.  Though I can never prove he is not Japanese, I have enough "doubt" to know that he isn't being honest with his identity.  Anyone should be able to clearly see that I am not President Obama; it's okay to have doubt.  You can doubt my identity.  Simply because you cannot prove it to the absolute, 100% tee, doesn't mean it cannot be true.

If it's absolutes you're needing, then I don't know what to tell you; unless you're willing to find Satoshi, get him to take a picture, along with his Japanese birth certificate, his SSN, and total proof that he is the creator of Bitcoin, so we can see, clearly, he is, in fact, a Japanese man from Japan, I cannot say he is Japanese, or that his name is really his.  Hear-say is not good enough, due to the problem I described before: the concept of lying, being, people deliberately or inadvertently hiding the truth.  Until this evidence is provided, I will proceed to doubt Satoshi's name is actually Satoshi, and I will doubt his nationality as being Japanese.  You're right in saying, there's no good proof that he isn't Japanese, but you're also under the assumption that he is.  Right now, nobody knows to the absolute truth, including you.

A Japanese person would be more likely to use a Japanese pseudonym and then modify his lifestyle to correctly tailor to his intended English audience. It is pretty easy to say this, because "more likely" is subject to an individuals interpretation. Like I said, your evidence is not evidence at all, as it can be twisted to support either side. It is situational evidence at best.

You're also trying to twist Occam's Razor into a false dichotomy.


Then this entire thread is pretty pointless.

Occam's razor works equally well on more than two options. It's possible that he was a Chinese person, using a Japanese pseudonym, and tailoring his posting habits and language to appear western. Or he could have been a space alien posting from the moon, using a hyper-tech translation program and a Japanese pseudonym. Occam slices all of those away as well.

It's also possible that you are Satoshi, and throwing FUD to get people off your trail. ;)

Actually, I'm Satoshi, and I should know pretty well whether or not I'm lying.  Also, I'm not Japanese.

:D

It is most likely Satoshi is precisely as he says he is.



Lol, okay.

*Posted from my luxury Bitcoin submarine.

Except that there's no such person as Satoshi Nakamoto.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Out of pure curiosity; what's your take on God, Azure?

I personally don't believe in any such entity, but I wouldn't be able to prove either a positive or negative hypothesis on the subject.

And a Japanese pseudonym is far from conclusive evidence that a person is Japanese.

Never said it was.

Because every 8th person in the world speaks English.

But you're using it as such.

He posted at times inconsistent with living in Japan, he spoke perfect English, and used a Times of London quote in the genesis Block. Yet, you say that the simplest explanation, based entirely on his use of a Japanese pseudonym, is that he was Japanese.

At some point in time, Azure, you will need to dispute my claim:  I am Satoshi Nakamoto.

At some point, you'll have to tell me I'm wrong, or you must assume everything I say is factual about myself.  You have to assume I'm lying, even if you can't prove it.  And if you call me a liar, you have to acknowledge that the man behind the name Satoshi Nakamoto could've been lying, and that there is no absolute truth that he is required to be honest about his own identity.

So which is it?  Do you believe I am Satoshi Nakamoto, as I, Satoshi Nakamoto, say I am, and what is your reasoning to explain why I am or am not?

Yes.


I see no reason to assume you're not Satoshi Nakamoto. Satoshi and President Obama being the same person would certainly be interesting.

Does it follow, then, that I am a deity from the Forgotten Realms? Obviously, Myrkul is dead, so I can't be him. Perhaps I'm Cyric, or Kelemvor, just pretending to be Myrkul?

You can be whatever you want to be.  :)

Good.  Now that we've cleared that up:

I am not Japanese.  Rather, I come from the planet Kru-Ton 8.  The first man I met was named Satoshi, and so I stole his identity; it was the easiest way to get along with you Earthlings, as my real form is that of a busty space princess.  Thus, I traveled to Canada, and developed Bitcoin there.  Why Canada?  Because you don't question the great Satoshi Nakamoto, that's why.

Anyway, I didn't create a Japanese forum because I don't understand Japanese.  I also don't understand English, but you can call BS anytime and catch my point :P

Fascinating, tell me more about your travels, President Satoshi Obama.

Aw, I could write a space-book about it, but I'm afraid I'd have to charge for further information about my Bitcoin secrets.  Canadian dollars only, please; I don't know much about this Bitcoin stuff, but I hear it's a ponzi bubble.

That's all the proof I need. You are Satoshi. ;)

Pyramid ponzi techno bubble.


When I first came to this forum, someone PM'd me wondering if I was an engineer working on Windows Azure. That PM made a lot more sense than your claim.   :P

And yet, both make more sense than your claim that Satoshi is Japanese, solely because he chose a Japanese pseudonym.

Me being a Windows Azure engineer based on my pseudonym makes more sense than Satoshi being Japanese based on his?  ???

Yes, because you chose your pseudonym to create your identity, and he chose his to hide it.

How do you know this?

Because I am Satoshi, and that's why I used that Pseudonym. ::)

No, I am Satoshi.

We're all Satoshi. Yay!  :D

I would much rather know why he chose to go by such a name, if it is not his real name, and I guess he is at least somehow related to Japan... ::)

Because he likes Popopopokemooooon gotta catch them all. Ash Ketchum in Japanese = Satoshi

And now you also know why a Magic The Gathering Online Exchange became the worlds laggiest bitcoin exchange.

And why a Sailor Moon character runs Bitcoins largest silver... vault...thingy... whatever.

Masterfully said sir.

Ruby, the programming language, was invented by a Japanese.

Was it popular quite exclusively only in Japanese communities at first?

Actually, yes.

But the internet wasn't so popular yet in the early 90ies.

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