Title: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: gammagreen on July 23, 2017, 11:43:06 PM I wonder why other country miners could or did not make ASIC? I seems they...or rather you have enough skills to do.
heard Bitmain engineer learned from Japanese who "retired".so suspect not required leading edge technology that researched in MIT, Stanford, Geforce and Intel etc. There is no reason wizard can not do it. why no one challenged ? Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: Metroid on July 24, 2017, 12:34:07 AM Are you so clueless as to not understand something so simple? The tech is in china, the materials/support are in china, the cheap labour is in china, so is cheaper to build in china.
Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: PanneKopp on July 24, 2017, 08:14:00 AM not to forget there are many chinese working for a cup of rice the day
;) Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: dadesu on July 24, 2017, 08:18:17 AM Almost all are made in china, why not asic also? :)
Problem is why they sell asic when he is outdated, and mine with them till that time... Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: Saidmod on July 24, 2017, 09:29:27 AM Are you so clueless as to not understand something so simple? The tech is in china, the materials/support are in china, the cheap labour is in china, so is cheaper to build in china. Right and not only asic is made in china almost all of the gadgets even its original it was made in china .Then if all the parts created in china doubt it .I've been using many gadgets and even its original its made in china . ::)Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: Subw on July 24, 2017, 10:44:55 AM The tech is in china tech is not in china. most complicated electronic devices are developed outside of china. manufacturing yes but not the cutting edge technologies. anyone with enough money could hire developers to make a ASIC chip and start manufacturing miners. at the beginning there was european, american, china and ukranian miner developers, few survided Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: gammagreen on July 24, 2017, 02:34:28 PM mining was range of hobby in the past.but now,lots of people make an investment in that.
so it is strange that no competition in ASIC.for example Geforce,AMD has more efficient manufacturing system in China (or low labor costs country) than Bitmain. not really necessary build ASIC completely,wizards desiged more efficient CPU than existing and seek investor on Crowdfunding,they will become millionaire. Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: QuintLeo on July 24, 2017, 10:31:17 PM Are you so clueless as to not understand something so simple? The tech is in china, the materials/support are in china, the cheap labour is in china, so is cheaper to build in china. Wrong about the tech and at least in part about the materials/support, though mostly correct about the labor. TSMC is in Taiwan, not China. GF 14/16 nm foundry is in New York State of the USA (ex-IBM foundry), though they also own at least one foundry in Germany (ex-AMD) that one isn't updated to the "most current" node GF makes. Also, BitFury and Baikal are based in Europe. Pinidea I think is US based at least in part? Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: dbc23 on July 25, 2017, 12:44:46 AM There's plenty of engineering shops over there capable of doing the chip design, and at a cut rate, AND as a contract gig. Also most of the chip foundries are in that part of the world these days.
Stateside and in Europe where most of the other major tech infrastructure is (foundries and the engineers to make them) the systems are locked into industry/company demand. Intel/AMD/Nvidia/Motorola/Etc... have large engineering teams capable of designing them but they're too busy making the general use devices those companies are in the business of then producing at THEIR foundries. So basically China and eastern Asia are the only areas in the world with an existing knowledge base and the capacity to produce the chips. Then you can add on the fact they're lower cost to produce there, AND that a large segment of the mining community is IN China you have a pretty clear picture. The nation's low cost of electricity only adds to the incentive to develop and deploy them. Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: QuintLeo on July 25, 2017, 08:39:04 AM There's plenty of engineering shops over there capable of doing the chip design, and at a cut rate, AND as a contract gig. Also most of the chip foundries are in that part of the world these days. Stateside and in Europe where most of the other major tech infrastructure is (foundries and the engineers to make them) the systems are locked into industry/company demand. Intel/AMD/Nvidia/Motorola/Etc... have large engineering teams capable of designing them but they're too busy making the general use devices those companies are in the business of then producing at THEIR foundries. So basically China and eastern Asia are the only areas in the world with an existing knowledge base and the capacity to produce the chips. Then you can add on the fact they're lower cost to produce there, AND that a large segment of the mining community is IN China you have a pretty clear picture. The nation's low cost of electricity only adds to the incentive to develop and deploy them. AMD and IBM no longer have their own founderies - they shed them as a "cost saving measure" some years back, forming GlobalFoundries in the process. Nvidia has never had their own foundry - they do seem to have some long-term contract with TSMC and recently started using Samsung for their 1050 and 1050ti cards. I'm not sure if Motorola ever had a foundry - if they did, it was a LONG time ago and long since split off or sold off. Some or all of the major MEMORY makers have their own foundries though, Micron (and Samsung of course) come immediately to mind, and I'm pretty sure Hynix as well. China cost of electric - varies. There are some parts where big hydro projects went in that have huge oversupplies and VERY cheap power, there are other parts that don't have a good power grid at all and the cost is a lot higher. They seem to be working on getting more industry developed in the cheap power areas, and at least somewhat on power transmission, but they're quite a bit behind the US in HV transmission line construction experience (we've been doing that for fairly close to a CENTURY now, in part due to the Hoover and Grand Coulee dams both of which don't happen to be close to ANY major cities). Title: Re: Why? ASIC made in China ONLY? Post by: Vaccinus on July 25, 2017, 09:33:25 AM The tech is in china tech is not in china. most complicated electronic devices are developed outside of china. manufacturing yes but not the cutting edge technologies. anyone with enough money could hire developers to make a ASIC chip and start manufacturing miners. at the beginning there was european, american, china and ukranian miner developers, few survided it's right they buy their cheap from the same manufacters that amd and intel and nvidia buy their chip, which are all from a silicon factory, that are not in china, so they import that first, then they make the board, which is the easy part |