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Better which one between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash (Futures) ???

Can't say but i think btc is still better in terms of price but bcc has a lot more improved qualities. Btc now has a slow transaction and high fees but what i observed it bcc is that it has faster per transaction still without Segwit  but we never know until bcc will start circulating. One day till the biggest so better read all info on bcc.

There no doubt Bitcoin would remain still. For now I cant say such thing about BCC since its not been here yet on the market 2 more days and we would able to witness its features.I don't know on how people would treat BCC since there should really be only one Bitcoin and it would really remain still and for BCC it would be still an altcoin no matter what.

This coin has been traded on ViaBTC and HitBTC https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/#markets what do you think?

We still have to see if people are going to support Bitcoin Cash, so far some big whales, company, and organizations are not going to support Bitcoin cash but we will have to see if this change after the August 1 fork Bitcoin  Cash for many is just another altcoin because of lack of support.

Is this even a question to be asked it's only Bitcoins that are going to stand tall tomorrow and day after, bcc is a Alt it's a sham for me and I don't see it surviving it long enough, one week max cause people would dump it and some fools would buy it, only to regret their life, stick with Bitcoins only do not use any other currencies especially alts like this. They got a very small miners backing them up, how long can they even last. Plus exchanges are refusing to accept bcc.

I think, at the end of the day, that Bitcoin will prevail. It is backed by the vast majority of competent developers in the space (i.e. Core), all of the exchanges, and miners are marching towards Segwit activation as we speak.

One thing to keep in mind, though, is the regard people have for hashpower. Bitmain indeed controls a large amount of hashing power (rumor has it, a majority of all). And with Bitpay's position (and several exchanges who will be supporting BCC trading), I could see a situation where people start to take BCC very seriously. This could threaten Bitcoin's network effect in the mid term (by splitting its network). It all depends on how much hashpower Bitmain points at Bitcoin Cash.

Bitcoin:
- has all the support from the community, all the miners, all the nodes, all the businesses and merchants
- has the highest price, it is rising, and a solid support behind it, has the highest volume, and is listed on all exchanges and the most trusted exchanges.
- has the best developers that have been working on it for 6+ years and the code is reviewed by thousands of people who check each change and look at the code.
- countries have adopted Bitcoin, like Japan and regulated it and removed taxes on it.


bitcoin cash:
- is an altcoin
- community does not want nor supports it
- miners do not support it
- developers do not support it
- businesses do not support it
- top exchanged do not support it
- countries adopted bitcoin and not altcoins
- the code is rushed, not tested, not reviewed, not trusted
- the change they are making is a fundamental change and will change a lot of things. it is a hard fork and can cause a lot of problems down the line for example in a year if it gets any traction.
- the price is low and dropping hard even before it is released (started at $900 and now it is worth nearly $300) and the release will crash it down to somewhere between $100 and $10

this is just a small number of differences.

BCC -> sell it when high and get more BTC, easy and simple scenario

It will just be another altcoin. If it aint bitcoin then what will you treat it.
They just used the freaking name for what? For people to get confused with two names?
Bitcoin Unlimited then now Bitcoin Cash. What's next? Bitcoin Impossible?  ;D
They keep on trying to imitate the best one just for selfish reasons. This ain't cool anymore.

In my opinion it is definitely bitcoin.

As I said before i think that bitcoin cash is simply taking advantage of bitcoin's brand name. If they really want to create a hard fork just for this then why not create their own altcoin? Plus, even if bitcoin cash retains its value after the fork(extremely unlikely), will anyone actually use it for goods and services? A lot of exchanges are saying that they will only accept bitcoin.

IMO it's completely pointless to try to create a brand new chain just to do this... This will just divide the community further. Though once you get the bitcoin cash in your wallet, pretty much everyone is going to dump it and drive the price to close to 0.

That's just it. BCC is just a fork of bitcoin it's essentially a altcoin. All that will happen after the fork is it will be treated like any other altcoin but just that everyone having some BTC will get some free BCC. I'm pretty sure majority of people are just going to sell BCC to buy BTC as soon as it forks

So that means a lot of people/investors will grab that chance to buy a lot on it's first weeks/months.Next,it will create a panic buy and encourage also some people to buy it. After all the drama, BCC will just disappear and those bagholders will look at theirselves as losers.

If you are a margin trader, then I would recommend BCC. Because a lot of powerful people are supporting the currency, and at least in the initial few (5-10) days there will be a big pump. Some of the people behind Bitcoin Cash has taken the survival of that coin as a matter of their prestige. So they will go to any extent, to pump the currency.

Not need wait after August 1st for see the future of Bitcoin Cash, I can sure 100% Bitcoin is shitcoin, even bad more than token from ICO as STRAT. I don't know the reason make most speculator going to Bitcoin just for receive Bitcoin Cash unknown value while they can buying altcoin with cheapest price as yesterday

BCC is nothing but an useless altocoin which will bring nothing to the market. It will be terribily volatile and this is why it ll become preferable for pumpers&dumpers and speculators. If you re one of them, well, yes, it s gonna be your target. If you re an ordinary user, sell BCC and do not touch it. Cause pumpers and speculators make money on ordinary users by staging fake and coordinated price movements.

After all, the whole BCC idea is based on pure greed and speculation of people who want to be able to point their mining gear towards their own BCC the first few days of BCC mining. During these few days, when dif ll be low, they ll make hundreds of thousands of BCC. Guess what will they do with these coins? Dump it on heads of unsuspecting noobs who want to reinvent BTC. So now, you go and buy and hold BCC if you re stupid enough.

But if BCC is valued highly, where does that value come from? Thin air? If BCC supporters are dumping BTC, and BTC supporters are dumping BCC, that would (in theory) drop the price of both. Like ETH/ETC, the overall market cap of Bitcoin could definitely take a hit -- if there is a real network split where a significant portion of the economy moves to BCC.

Price discovery ( http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pricediscovery.asp ) in general comes from exchanges where supply and demand are measured.
as afar as I can see few exchanges are supporting BCC at the moment therefore it is hard to get the real value of a new asset ...

I don't know what the BCC's market capitalization really is ... in general I take a look on coinmarketcap ...

on their FAQ ..


   

Bitcoin Cash has no market cap; it doesn't even exist yet. It will take some time, once the fork happens, for the market to accurately reflect true demand for BCC. Maybe it will be a non-event and BCC will just be dumped into the ground. Or maybe BCC will sustain (like ETC did) and BCC markets (alongside BTC markets) will be represented on the major exchanges eventually.

Definitely bitcoin, trusted and accepted worldwide. Never heard of BCC before but lets see how it pans out in the comparison, I don't think it will stand a chance against bitcoin. It could be just another alt, used by people to pump and dump.

I will hold both btc and bcc, hopefully bcc will have some value, but i only plan to buy btc in the future, i don't think bcc will overpower btc ever. As for selling, i never sell ;D

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/

Actually, it does have a market cap. People are trading bitcoin cash futures, and currently the total market capitalization stands at around 2 million bitcoins which is a lot. However whether or not it is liquid is completely another topic.

I think a major deciding factor of whether a currency is good or not is whether people actually accept it. Now as i have said before, merchants aren't going to switch to bitcoin cash because most service providers are in support of core. So bitcoin cash has no utility value, and thus there is no point for anyone to hold onto their worthless tokens, and people will dump the coin to the ground for the actual bitcoin.

I will be more flexible. If the BCC will rise in the future, I will buy it, otherwise, I will just sell it.

It doesn't have a market cap. The fork can, in theory, not even happen and in that case on ViaBTC, BTC and BCC will then be merged back into BTC. It's just a futures market -- and a highly illiquid (perhaps highly manipulated) one.

And even if BCC did exist (it won't until August 1), calculating the market cap based on ViaBTC's market alone gives a very inaccurate picture of market demand.

I think when BCC is released, it will take more advantage over current BTc. Because BCC provides us with instant, fast and free transactions. We can also carry it when there is no internet, no means of connection, etc. Finally, it will become as common as cash.

I can't pick one, yet. And I don't even know BCC value, it is still unknown .
But seems like btc will always be the king.
At the end of the day, who will win?
Who knows, right?

Ok, there are different scenarios preferred by the community:

1. BCC find few supporters and the majority will sell its free BCC in the following weeks. So price dumps into the ground. Afterwards, it will only be a minor pump&dump altcoin and forgotten in a few years from now.
2. Like 1. but afterwards, BCC finds more and more support over time due to its better technology and instant money transfers. In this case (of course) it would be good to buy some BCC after the fall and hold them until the price rises like with good old BTC in the past years. This would be a chance for all who missed buying BTC in the early days.
3. BCC will rise right from the start but this seems very unlikely.

I would say there is a 60% chance for 1. and a 30% chance for 2. Rest 10% for scenario 3.

You are very optimistic about BCC. Let's see  ;)

yeah, I can smell the stink of segwit coating btc in the air. east vs west! 

That's it in a nutshell - we'll see a lot of selling later this week.

I will still stick to bitcoin maybe a lot of people will buy BCC now but will dump it in the future probably. We can do a lot on bitcoin and its primary standard cryptocurrency in the market, but we cant escape that this BCC can still affect bitcoins price.

Actually both of them are better at thier place , At one side bitcoin which is our life and we spent our time and hard work to get it and other side is the bitcoin cash which will be new coin that will be generated by the same technology .
So I think bitcoin will be more better to have instead of bitcoin cash .
But as here we are getting the both without effecting the other one , so why not to have the both coin .
And also here we can think that we have the option to get a coin to buy in the very starting which is like the bitcoin ( infcatly from the same network ).

Always,bitcoin is the best.It is the pioneer in crypto coins.There is still doubt that whether hard fork would happen or not.Even if hard fork happens,still BCC would remain just as an altcoin.Even most of exchanges like coinbase,itbit,Bitmex,Exodus have already said that they would not support BCC.We have already seen lots of such situations,for example BU,most of them are just FUD aiming to make the bitcoin price fall.After august 1,we would once again notice BTC only prevailing in the market.

So far I'm still waiting for official news about BCC later, because i do not know about BCC well. I will still support bitcoin because bitcoin is the best and I'm sure many users and miners will still support BTC.

Let the market find out what is the best in the long term. BCC has chance to become more popular only if the BTC fees become very high again. So there is such chance, and because every current Bitcoiner owns equeal amount of BTC and BCC, then BCC has better position than any other altcoin in regard to network effect.

So would I buy BCC right after Aug 1? No, until it proves to be more usefull than BTC. For the same reason I wont be selling BCC right after Aug 1, the price will be probably so small to not even worth selling it.

If I ask, choose which one between your wife or your child :)
That stupid question is without bitcoin then bitcoin cash will never exist so does your child if no wife what he was born by itself :) so the best, i think is the major fixed bitcoin of all

My belief is that bitcoin BTC has come to stay, the arrival of bitcoin cash BCC is also a welcome development but I don't think that BCC will stand the test of time, some people's opinion is that BCC is dead on arrival, it could be recalled that most of the exchanges are not supporting BCC, in fact I just received a mail from coinbase informing me of retaining BTC.

I've seen some figures according to which Bitcoin has lost smth about 50%  of active users recently. It's a very great adoption do we have here, when very small fraction of world population adopts some kind of money and after that half of this small fraction leaves it. I wonder why? Why're people leaving Bitcoin? Can't manage to find plausible excuse for them, can you?

For sure btc is the thing, still. Nobody can beat the original, that was made by Satoshi Nakamoto, himself. And bitcoin has gone through different procedures in the past. But it lived through history after history. So bitcoin is still the best among the cryptocurrency there is.

It's a welcome "development" in the first place for the large holders behind this rubbish coin, and after that, for the people that will use this one time opportunity to trade their free candy for BTC or fiat.

If you look at the terror squad behind this coins, it should not come as a surprise that this coin will remain operational for quite a long time. The only question is, how long will it take for this coin to lose its hype status, where after that it will be a low volume shitcoin that might get pumped from time to time. This coin won't keep holding its position in the spotlights for long, that's guaranteed.

Exchanges and services will support ANYTHING that helps them potentially gain more users and profit. This market is not the same as how it used to be years ago, where Bitcoin in most cases was the first priority, and not the financial gains. Times changed, and thus we shouldn't be surprised to see them follow the most profitable road, even if it isn't morally the best thing to do.

i agree. there is a too-big-to-fail effect on btc. but like many others i want my bcc coins to go up in value also.

At this point i dont think the Bitcoin cash will take over the bitcoin like what happened in ethereum classic in the pass years but i guess still the bcc will cost also a lot in the market the bitcoincash is split from the bitcoin which is the best cryptocurrency in the pass years so no doubt.

YES, will have the same value for some time, one day later, one week later, one year later or one hundred year later. OK come to buy BCC you wil earn the same value of bitcoin one day later.

This trade only some coin per day! Not big exchange BTC! On trade without deposit!

That's never going to happen, nearly everyone is planning to dump bitcoin cash and futures put its value only around $300 or so. I'm pretty sure it will start around that price and crash down below $100 and miners will stop supporting it.

I really do not think bitcoin cash this BCC they have named it will overtake bitcoin BTC.

They just are giving it away so to appease the masses who hold bitcoin already.

It is just a marketing ploy from the mining pool in China named Viabtc.
That is company who made the alt coin after all and needed a way to handle what is going on with coming out with this alt coin to plug the leak. So to say. :-\

Seeing from the circumstances and all the people opinions, Bitcoin still got a better future, there are not a lot of people supporting BCC, however that is speculation from this forum, there are still a lot of investors outside of this forum, we still need to wait and see how will BCC perform after August, so we can't be sure which one will be more valuable in the future

I think it will only be like ETC, there might be some users but still many will use ETH, it was still supported. Same in BTC . It will always have a position in each users who used it before.

BitcoinCash is better, it is the real bitcoin.

Delicious, beautiful strategy. Ha  ;D
Agree with you, BCC like stepchild. I'm not sure BCC can survive. All hoped for a free BCC, and immediately exchanged it with BTC.

We'll see what happens after Fork.

Still for me i would still go in Bitcoin as far as my knowledge i dont really think that bitcoin cash will take over the bitcoin because of the bitcoin price value in the markrt was so high and skyrocket so high i dont think the bitcoin cash will success to achieve this anymore bitcoin isis really a history i guess.

not sure this is even comparable: bitcoin is the king of the cryptocurrency, BCC will be an altcoin like any others, there's nothing to be compared.

It is hard to tell when the two are not yet there to prove each other. So far, the king of the crypto world is still bitcoin. As far as my observations are concerned, it seems the general mood is that people are into bitcoin rather than bitcoin cash. But the future is still uncertain. We do not know for sure whether bitcoin cash will gain much acceleration once it hits the market.

The bitcoin we know of will not be the same bitcoin for both BTC and BCC/BCH. Once SegWit is activated, and 8MB is running with some hashpower. Both are spawned from the same chain but not the original incarnation. Unless centralized decision making is ok. The market will decide which is better. I'm hodling both and if bcc gets cheap enough or btc i'm buying.

I don't get what the big fuss is about. I really don't get why anti-bcc's are so angry. This should reinforce your position and also clear out the people that have complained for a long time. I don't get what the negative to BTC users is. It really isn't that confusing is it? They differ quite a bit in functionality. BCC will work the same as BTC now but faster and BTC will add a bunch of new sidechains thanks to SegWit.

This is the first time, i've seen so much anger for an 'altcoin' or anger for any release for that matter. If you don't like Jihan/Ver, this is great no? They're leaving...

i think bcc will die

It's really hard to predict on coin which doesn't even exist and is just coded replica of bitcoin itself. The chains will speak out soon and we are hoping that BTC gets more attention and BCC gets ignorance. This is for BTC to become strong coin again. We have big investments and hope from it and if something like BCC craps in then there is a problem.

Bitcoin transaction fees will go down when all of the hype dies down. Eventually the devs will figure out a long-term solution to the slow transactions so that we won't have this problem going forward.

Of course BCC has faster transactions, because no one uses it. ;D

Also have in mind the current price of BCC futures is not even close to the price BCC will sell for cause 99% of the holders will dumps is as soon as they get it. I d say BCC price will be $2-5 MAX, two days after it is introduced. That s why all this alts selling to get BTC to get BCC is pointless but noobs will always make these kind of moves.

Nothing valuable simply falls down from the sky!

The developers have shown that they know and care absolutely nothing about what the real world needs with Bitcoin.   How it is going to be used by real people, and what the industry has been begging for, for 5 years.  

This is exactly why we are in this position in the first place.  People got fed up and split off from the development team that was vocally apathetic about everything except the code.  There was a massive disconnect between "lay people" and the dev team - and since there was no leadership in the dev team to force them to write code that would include end-user needs, it never got done.

TLDR:  The fact that one group has "competent developers" means nothing to me.  At the end of the day your code can be amazing, and no real human beings will ever use it if you aren't creating a product they care about.  And if your "competent developers" care nothing about what end users want, then you've got a product that will never get used.

BitcoinCash is the true bitcoin envisioned by Satoshi carried on.

I like the fact that BCC will happen, because we will see the comparison between the performance of BCC and BTC, and all the FUD will be unmasked.

We get to go to both universes.........

We'll see. August 1 is coming.

Bitcoin is best in case of price but perhaps BCC may replace it due to its faster transactions then BTC. BCC is the future and BTC is the present. BTC will always be the best according to me. With increasing traffic BCC may also grow up and match with BTC perhaps.

Bitcoin:
- has all the support from the community, all the miners, all the nodes, all the businesses and merchants
- has the highest price, it is rising, and a solid support behind it, has the highest volume, and is listed on all exchanges and the most trusted exchanges.
- has the best developers that have been working on it for 6+ years and the code is reviewed by thousands of people who check each change and look at the code.
- countries have adopted Bitcoin, like Japan and regulated it and removed taxes on it.


bitcoin cash:
- is an altcoin
- community does not want nor supports it
- miners do not support it
- developers do not support it
- businesses do not support it
- top exchanged do not support it
- countries adopted bitcoin and not altcoins
- the code is rushed, not tested, not reviewed, not trusted


~~~~~~~better explain.

Bitcoin Cash Soars but whats the right symbol?
https://cryptocoincharts.info/topic/bitcoin-cash

Absolutely wrong.
How does it feel to be so wrong and think you are correct?

Bitcoin needed Segregated Witness from a software engineering standpoint as a common sense patch to fix transaction malleation. Bitcoin does not need 8 MB blocks and will work well with these upcoming updates. Just put your money where your mouth is and go into BCH, then. Enjoy that extremely large, bloated blockchain that is thousands of blocks behind Bitcoin in the next several months.

Seriously, the code will speak for itself. SegWit will be working well and we'll just see how well BCH is working. So far, it's a very sluggish and sloppy quick job with no real support.

BTC is the best so far, there is no other one to replace the pioneer of cryptocurrency. The bitcoin users have a trust on it which make it more stronger than any other cryptocurrency. BCC seems good but not better than BTC.

And betting sites create bets on which will be more popular on X: Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin Core. The war just began.

BTC has sound fundamental, i expect a volatile price movement for BCC (BCH actually)
The price move is totally out of my expectation https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/bitcoin-cash/usd
To see BCC caught up with BTC last all time high is beyond me. But let the market decide, i just dont know what would exchanges that no support BCC do

The present situation the BCC is new comer, and more people are showing interest on this coin. But I am sure within few days after investing all people in this BCC the value of this coin will drop, and people will suffer a lot. I vote for the only Bitcoin I will not support to BCC.

End of bcc just looks like zcash. It will pump couple more weeks, bcc whales fill their pockets and than they will leave the garbage to us

Bitcoin cash is better only in some scenario. If bitcoincash would ever release in a market then people will go for bitcoincash instead local cash. Because bitcoincash improving your life making your future while local cash is just in your hand it doesn't depend on you on poverty and your believes it is just concern to product that they are fulfill to get a product or not. So there will be many action against bitcoincash by government as well but we need to support bitcoin.

Bitcoincash is better because people is using and going to bitcoincash rather than local cash,for these cash can improve someones life and can help us to get up from poverty that we still face in our time.And other reason why these cash is reliable,because it is the best in the market.

I think Bitcoin will still be better than Bitcoin Cash. Bitcoin was born just to decrease the weight for Bitcoin so that Bitcoin will still be used by everyone. You can see that BTC price has been really high now and BCC price has been dumped so much. :)

yeah .. i think for future bitcoin will be strong than bcc becausei read in more website .. bcc get not good news from people... because every block is too long for confirmartiom.  . so this issue effect to price bcc.. but i hope that issue can be solved for repair price in market ..

Bitcoin always the best, no doubt about it. Bitcoin is mother coin and every price action moving always giving impact into altcoin. Besides that, bitcoin accepted as alternative payment after currency it self. Many coin only follow bitcoin and never take the first coin as bitcoin. Never lost faith with bitcoin but always keep learn about how to increase bitcoin as pasif income. Good luck.

Nothing is decided with prediction only market will decide whether BCH will be treated like BTC. Still, many people are in confusing whether to buy BCH or not everything will be decided according to condition of the market.

BCH is a bitcoin-clone altcoin, it's nothing.

Definitely still now i prefer Bitcoin because Bitcoin Cash is new came so I think it's not right time to compare between BTC vs BCC at the moment.Everyone should be more concerned with the BCC it's my personal counsel.

Well now that a week has passed clearly you can see that that low price did not happen because currently right now price is  hanging around $200,however it is not known if the price will continue to fall further or if it will start to recover,so far the only one who has been favored by all this contest is BTC whose price has been noticeable after 1th August,if the approach of BCH is to overthrow to BTC,I just do not think that's coming to happen because I can not find any elements to indicate that this will be the case.

Its still btc. you can see how btc stabilizes and soaring higher on its market price while bcc, on the other hand, is now going down from its climbing price few days ago. Just like the others said, its just a temporary cryptocurrency and will be dump eventually. It has no strong foundation to become a stable cryptocurrency. And also, it has insufficient support to be able to operate consistently for a long period of time like the btc

BTC for sure, what is BCC? It's just a simple altcoin .
I never trade BCC except the core team tell us they support BCC.

I don't like BCC.
If one day I change  the BTC codes a little, I call it BTC2 , then someone others make BTC3 , BTC4...
Why we should support this kind of shit?

I agree. At this moment, btc is better because of high price and popularity among the internet traders. Bcc is still new to market and cannot trust right now.

The real question is:

Do you support Core Developers forever? In any case? Isn't that the opposite of decentralisation .. the whole concept of Bitcoin / Blockchain?
What is your opinion on SegWit2X? Because Core has announced it won't raise the block-size to 2MB, so Bitcoin will be 1MB forever (or at least for now). You all cool with that?

We still dont know yet for now but maybe BTC is still number 1 i got some BCH also i wish it would go up soon just a little bit until get reach to 1000$ hope soon.

Bitcoin will be number 1 always because this is the first cryptocurrency. Bitcoin is the reason why the crypto world is created and it is an established coin out of plenty people trust bitcoin and invest in bitcoin while BCC is just another altcoin came out from the fork of bitcoin.

Investors still trust Bitcoin rather than BCH, there are also some people like to BCH because yesterday the BCH price up this proves that BCH still has the devotees.