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Are you serious that you want to interprate brain signals? It would be wonderful but I think this is far fetched. You can then just as well create a device for telepathy.

Do you already have an idea of how to do this or are you starting from scratch?

This is one most exciting concept i've ever know. To protect the account/coin using mind as the password, if it success, the it will be the most secure protection in the world.
Good luck with the project dev.

This is a very interesting project, I want to translate it to japanese language if it is permitted. But I am interested to also invest in this project.

Dear jc12345,

Thank you for bringing this up so early in the thread so we can avoid further misunderstandings. This is NOT a mind reading device. There is an explicit paragraph in the white paper that describes this potential confusion. There is no attempt of brain signals' interpretation as "intention decoding" or similar. The device, at least as we envision it in its first iterations, is taking advantage of a very specific and known neurophysiological phenomenon in response to visual and acoustic stimuli. More complex versions will combine further biosignals for more unique responses.

The main challenge of this project is actually not the science behind it, which is mostly established, but the possibility to achieve the above promises with inexpensive 3D printable designs, out of the lab, and tied to the blockchain.

Just posted a new blog post. We will be posting quite frequently stuff for laymen because the subject is quite innovative and complex.

You can find the post here

https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/privacy-in-biosignals-on-the-blockchain-634df61e88b0

Also be sure to follow us on Twitter for updates. We intend to keep the thread updated and answering quite frequently.

Interesting concept. But need more info. When is this presale taking place?

very interesting, any bounty program?

What's total token will be? Is this project based ETH platform? If yes, that's good. The roadmap is full of waiting, bored  :(
Looks like just have 2 update per years,

Thank you all for your interest.

We are working on the details of our presale platform, it should be ready in a few weeks time. There will be a bounty as soon as next week. You will be informed by our community manager. In the next few days we will link here as many blog posts as possible to elucidate technical and procedural aspects of the project. In the meantime, have a look at how big this market actually is (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/the-market-of-biometric-passwords-1078f7db973f). :)

@necromastery,
Indeed and we are taking this into account. Our roadmap is not necessarily static. We will enrich it with more milestones as our project matures. Nonetheless, please consider the nature of this project that combines both hardware and software aspects. Hardware needs a lot of field-testing, and although 3D printing and off-the-shelf components decrease design/production times and costs considerably, we still need to be relatively conservative with our prototype and full-product release estimations.

The project sounds really ambitious, it could have countless applications if it works the way you present it.
My question is, from what I understood, since the "device" will be open source, everyone will have access to the raw data going into it. How does it make it different from fingerprints or iris, since it's still something you can't change?
Do you intend to use a different set of signals for every single use, with a combination of stimuli? Is it possible?

This is a very good point. a interesting project.
password is very private thing, If we put it in to blockchain , how to encrypt it.
By the way : Reserved translate to Chinese.

hello sir ,when will you release wallet?  how to use you product ,and what relation with coin wallet

Fresh concepts and ideas, I've never found a project with a concept like this, it's really new, very good, but I wake up more information from this project, I'll see the next few days, good project, good luck

This concept is sound and quite different from most of the tokens I see flying up and down in the space, but my main concern is that do the team has the technical know how and expertise to deliver what they promised. I will definitely find time to read more on the project and the idea

The biosignals of one or more stimuli challenge/response sessions are used to generate a unique password. The biosignals are indeed the raw data, but they never leave the device and the premises of the user. You never broadcast anything to anyone. The device itself is not recording your session for later use. What is sent and stored on the blockchain is a highly secured hashed function of the password. When it is time to authenticate/identify, the device simply checks the latest hashed version of your sessions on the blockchain and matches it with your ability to re-elicit that same biosignals locally. If it is matched, you are in. If not, you are not. Again, all challenge/response sessions take place locally, this is a critical point to remember.

Indeed, we envision various permutations of stimuli and neurophysiological reactions for different uses and sessions. Combinations are possible and even desired for added levels of security. For more information please see our White Paper.

Very interesting project. Looking forward !

Thank you, Smolko and everyone, for your kind words so far. :)

We have a new post on our blog (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/biosignals-as-dynamic-biometrics-d93c3455e895) regarding Biosignals in general. It is important for us to explain why we believe dynamic biometrics (as biosignals should be considered) are potentially more secure and flexible than classical static biometric (fingerprint, face, iris, vein, etc.) approaches.

How does your bounty work? Info please.

I would like to reserve upfront the german translation.

Thank you

hi. how are you?
Very interesting project.
I would be very interested in contribute to your project with, a professional quality, Portuguese translation for the BtcTalk official thread and also other elements, as the White Paper, Website, articles and interviews.
Let me know if you are interested.

previous jobs:
-- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1786648.0
-- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1767517.0
-- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1792597.0
-- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1794030.0
-- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1751650.0
-- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728455.0
-- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1766556.0
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Good luck.
And best regards.

interesting concept but what kind of device will you use for this  ???

The brain can be trained to improve its performance in different tasks. It is very likely that the reaction to stimuli will change as several interactions are applied. How are you solving this matter?

Whether the way it works is only reading stimuli / responses that come out of our body, may be said as body language
Correct me if wrong  :D

This is very very unique. Are you sure about this concept? ;D This is very interesting, but I'm not sure, not everyone likes a concept like this, I hope you guys have a good strategy for marketing, it's nice, good luck ;)

I think it's a great project and very unique, I never found a project like this, you have a fresh idea, but I think the project with new ideas will be more difficult to develop, but I'm sure you will have a good progress, spirit!

 EEG signals are not unique, their range is fixed, their frequency is fixed, how do you select the signal for every person?

Don't you think that electric stimulation is "too much" just for retrieve a password?

Good question and glad people have such interest.

Indeed the stimuli will not be constant.

Improvement in performance, in these applications, usually means better signal-to-noise ratio. A clearer signal so to speak. This is actually good news and the reason so many persons enjoy Neurofeedback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurofeedback). ;)


We are envisioning a lightweight adaptable headset. The design will be 3D printable and it would be easily assembled with off-the-shelf components. We will have more on this on a special blog post, including how and why we reached this course of action. We will also mention some potential alternatives.

WOW :o sounds pretty cool!!!

Mark my words this is the best and most fundamental way of unlocking password in the 20's and 30's of this century.

The illuminati is big on this.

Plus Lisa Simpson in one of those simpson episodes, logged in with her neural networks on the global grid hive mind consciousness network from the future.

Also I am a genius u should listen to me. Sci-fi specialist.

I am out.

Neural oscillations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_oscillation) have very specific characteristics indeed. But we don't just stay there. We select the signal that is pertinent to a specific visual or acoustic reaction we want to receive and is meaningful to the person in question. We have written a blog post that explains the stimulus-reaction challenge (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/the-stimulus-reaction-challenge-d86cd57e22fe) in a nutshell.

There is no "electric stimulation" from the device. These are simple stimuli (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stimulus#English), acoustic or visual. Essentially what you can hear over a pair of headphones or see on your own computer screen. There is no zapping or jerking with electric current.

This is one most exciting concept i've ever know. To protect the account/coin using mind as the password, if it success, the it will be the most secure protection in the world.
Good luck with the project dev.

Is there a technical person who can analyze the technical value of this project?

I would like to translate this in Spanish and Italian. Let us know when the bounty starts.

We will start a bounty campaign soon in another thread, we are currently in talks/looking for an experienced and trustworthy campaign manager.

We have a new blog post with some of our ideas regarding the possibility of non-coerced identification (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/non-coerced-identification-is-it-possible-cd17acf14978). The example mentioned might be considered extreme, but we live in interesting times. Better explore this option as well. ;)

great job ,thank your hard work ,i will read post carefully about MindPass

We launched a slack channel at https://mindpass.slack.com you can find invites here https://serene-sands-31554.herokuapp.com/

Drop by for some futuristic chat!

We have a new blog post with some ideas on how we envision our 1st Generation headset (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/how-we-envision-the-headset-bba63808fc50). Nothing is set in stone, so feel free to join our Slack for some constructive discussions or to simply give your suggestions. We are all ears. 8)

Fingerprint scanners have reached a decent accuracy level for everyday use.
Based on current technology, can you achieve a similar accuracy level on the readings as a response to stimuli, with a non-medical device like yours? And even more so, for serious identification like secure facilities or border control?

Will not it be more vulnerable in case you are being held by someone and is forcing you to unlock your account on different platforms. Because you will not have any excuse to avoid the command. How this aspect will be protected or prevented in case of unpleasant situation which I described above ? This is curiosity what I want answer for.

It looks like a something from future...
Interesting project,have a luck

Our device is just as and more secure in these cases than traditional biometrics devices. Everyone with a gun can force you to put your hardware wallet pin, scan your iris and your fingerprints. In case of our device, the brainwaves and responses are not the same in case of extreme stress so the chances you will authorize yourself are less. We will need extensive lab testing to see if it is possible to deny/block your thoughts and refuse access in this way. These scenarios are tricky and physical violence is not a very solvable problem. What we want to solve is for someone else to never be able to identify as you without you. If I get your fingerprint then I can fake it. This is not possible with our system with combinations of different stimuli on each login. In essence you have unlimited fingerprints/biometric passwords available.

When is this presale thing starting? Also let us know about bounty and translations. I asked already but no ansewr. ;D

We are in talks with individuals for a closed pre-sale round (if anyone is interested email us) , we will have news soon and also about the bounty campaign.

hope quickly ,i always forget my password ,website ,email , and etc . i am looking for  some software can help me to slove this ,and my password is safe .
right now MindPass will be my best  .

We read a very nice article (http://info.plethora.com/blog/why-crowdfunded-hardware-projects-fail) about why crowdfunded hardware projects sometimes fail. Since we are one of the few crypto projects that combine the blockchain with a physical device, we wanted to let you know that we take very seriously any potential pitfalls that might arise in the design process, especially as far as ergonomics and future costs go. These are issues we try to address right from the start. Check our new blog post (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/learning-from-failed-crowdfunded-hardware-projects-1-design-issues-d2b3fd1ee553).

mark. a little difficult to realize i think

The idea is in fact amazing and I always in with new idea better than every day ICO that keep repeat itself . However what I always want to see in an ICO is this  ...

Q3 '17 Proof-of-Concept Prototype
Q4 '17 Pre-sale                             
Q1 '18 Initial Coin Offering .

This should be the real thing . I love the idea but ( not only this ico pretty much most of them too ) why collect money before proof-of-concept . I really do not understand . why every ICO collect money first then try to proof there idea !! It should be the other way around .

This is something came to mind mind when I saw this arrange . I will probably end up invest on this ICO even tho I do not agree with the way it or every other ICO work .

The concept of this project is amazing: the application of biosignal as a password on blockchain devices.
But this is still in the research stage, good luck and can be realized.

your concerns are valid.  every project needs some bootstrapping to unleash its full potential. Even the prototype needs full-commitment and money to be built. That's where crowdfunding comes into play, it's like seed funding for startups. Since this project is unique in the hardware-software aspect we need more than coffee and pizza to built it :) Having said that, we have already started working on the prototype.

We have good news! The pre-sale will open in the coming days. Stay tunned!

Our bounty campaign is open  :)

With all due respect to the developers, the project is rather strange. Maybe it's a scum, although we'll see. In any case, good luck to you.

Our project is certainly not a scam just because it is innovative with high-tech and we are not anonymous. You can read our bios and Kostantinos is an expert researcher on the field. Quite far from scam projects. We will be happy to answer any question you might have.

Thank you for the good luck. :)
The "strangeness" of the product probably arises from the fact it combines hardware (the device to assess your biophysiological signals) and software (the interface and its connection to the Ethereum Mainnet). Indeed it is not a straightforward blockchain-hacking software-only solution and we certainly don't bring the usual "banking for the unbanked" mantra. However, please take a moment to read the science and roadmap in our whitepaper. It's not that hard to follow because we've written everything in a Q&A manner.

If you have specific questions, let us know. We want to have a constructive dialog, the project is indeed ambitious and we've studied and blogged extensively (1) (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/learning-from-failed-crowdfunded-hardware-projects-1-design-issues-d2b3fd1ee553) (2) (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/learning-from-failed-crowdfunded-hardware-projects-2-hardware-issues-3-electronic-issues-49f8924e65a5) (3) (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/learning-from-failed-crowdfunded-hardware-projects-4-manufacturing-issues-f7f028f9e18d) about the pitfalls of an engineering endeavor, but we are confident we can make it work.

It is always important to investigate complementary approaches to deal with a technical problem. Although the stimulus-response (with ERPs) approach is our main paradigm, we are looking for alternative electrophysiological signals that might be of interest, including the movement-related cortical potentials (MRCPs) at the preparation of an actual movement. Combining the different approaches shall increase the robustness of the signal, thus improving the uniqueness of the personal signature.

More on our latest blog post (https://medium.com/@mindpass2050/alternative-electrophysiological-signals-1ac745949b45). Please remember, our presale starts in a few days and we have a big discount for the first one.

intersting. will the token have any kind of inflation or something? where is the token now?

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My spreadsheet number is 141

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Bookmarking this thread to keep track of possible updates.The concept looks to be good but the goal to be achieved seems to be hard.Where can I find the information on escrow for the project?

Hi Anigru, the goal is hard but it's in these projects that you get max value and we have a top team of experts. Nevertheless, read below :)

This is the first time I dropped in your thread and I find it interesting, I understand your project has been in planning stage but because of the recent regulation you opted to delay it, I have bookmarked your thread in case you  start or continue your project again because I find it unique and with a good potential in the market.

If you really think that this idea works out well, better to be patented and come back here for a crowdsale and I am sure it would be sold out within a day regardless of any kind of heavy promotion of your project.Anyways good luck.

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