Bitcoin Forum

Hi, Not sure if this has been asked before.
But finding actual paying jobs or services in that Services section of the forum is so hard. Because it is full with signature campaigns that are themselves not accepting more people or are full of people 'asking' to be hired.
I understand that is a good thing and almost serves it's intended purpose. But I am curious to find out if enough people here feel the same way as I do.

"People looking to hire" other people for jobs should have a dedicated sub-board under the Marketplace / Services section. And the signature campaigns should also get their own board so they don't clutter up the entire section and make life so hard.


But offcourse, if it were easy, everyone would do it.

Yes, it's been asked before.

And the most recent topic was bumped only a day ago.

I would be for it just as long as there was some sort of fee charged to be able to make a thread in there. If we don't do it with the bitcoin paying campaigns then it should at least be done with alts because they literally get away with free advertising when they pay out in the premined crapcoin and the spam from their campaigns alone likely makes up 95% of the issues here which staff are left to clean up and essentially run their campaigns for them.

I think the issue is getting worse nowadays though. Take for example the Waves campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1943988.0), it has 1467 posts alone. You are well aware, as much as I am, that most of these campaign are utter garbage. Their spam/noise is having a negative effect on the exposure of actual services (i.e. people looking for jobs or those providing them). This is why I am strongly in favor of a sub-board for signature campaigns (and possibly even bounty campaigns such as Twitter campaigns).

Do you agree with the suggestion from OP plus my addition (bounty campaigns)? It might be worth suggesting to theymos.

I took the liberty of screenshotting and marking each campaign-related thread. This is disregarding signature design threads but includes social media campaigns and signature campaigns. I think the number is significant enough to be moved to a separate child board. Even by eye and not counting it's about 50/50.

https://i.imgur.com/IoKMyqs.png

Thanks. I've sent theymos a message and linked to this thread. I hope he does something about this.

That's right. Services section is filled with signature and all other campaigns. I agree that these campaigns need for dedicated section. And already, forum administration made changes in altcoin board. They created Bounties section to cleanup Announcements and Marketplace sections. So, I think there shouldn't be any problems to make samething similar for bitcoin campaigns.

I upvote OP's idea. I think it will be great to have another section for it.

The same sort of thing applies to the virtual products board. I've got a number of Bitcoin and Bitcoin related domain names for sale, but I've given up trying to post them on Bitcoin Talk, as there is too much other stuff listed, and a thread can drop off the first page in an hour or so sometimes.

I don't want to be a lemon by digging up this old thread. But I really think this should be done. Someone should pay attention please.




Yes, a mandatory copper membership might do it I think.

This is very much the reason for which I have been doing that Jobs & services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2165225.0) thread for a while. I do think this is something that is very much needed right now and I have been vocal about it since 2017. I wonder why theymos hasn't done anything about it yet.

PS: I'd merit you OP but I'm all out.

It is one of approach to protect newbies and new investors who joined crypto not too long enough to distinguish scam coins, and might be trapped with campaigns from those shit coins.

---

Additionally, it might help to build better trust point for the forum.
Because it is always a better place where there is less shitshows, and less scammers , scam projects advertised inside.
So, I support the ideas to disable signature campaigns that pay through tokens/ altcoins.

I was hunting for active signature campaigns to participate in.. and yes I have to agree with OP.. campaigns should be moved to their own sub-boards. It will keep the service section organized and help keep the active campaigns stay relevant and not be buried by service offerings and what not..

-edit-

I might have overspent my merits here  ;D ;D

lol thanks to your overspending of sMerits I have some for the OP.

I guess my initial intention is now fulfilled.

I don't support idea to add a new sub-board for Signature campaigns, because it will makes life easier for bounty hunters. Personally, I would like to see them spending time to scan around and find signature campaigns rather than point them out directly to Signature campaigns child board (sub-board) to get what they looking for. They have to pay something (it is time, at least) to find what they want. It is the same as opinion of theymos (or someone else, I don't remember) on signature campaign that campaigns pay in altcoins or tokens might be disabled in the future, and only campaigns pay via BTC will be allowed in the forum.

This would be good. I also agree that bounty campaigns that are not paying out BTC should be subject to a small fee, however I'm not certain how it'd be moderated or what the fee would be. Good suggestions nevertheless!

This an achieve post but hold some usefulness in it.  But don't forget bounty is also like a hired service. Signature campaign organisers through campaign managers place and advert to prospective workers and employ them when the had fully all the required criteria. I don't think it's a wrong thing being on service board.
People also adverts there works(signature designers, escrow services, signature campaign management e.t.c) another board just for signature campaign alone would be unnecessary

I'd disagree. Signature Campaigns are usually an initiative by companies or projects whereas the other services you mention are users offering their work, there is a difference and it should be treated as such with it's own board, imo at least.

The false dichotomy can be pinpointed to this simplicity:

Signature campaign threads are bound by definition to contain a mass of posts in regards to registration. These replies are not guaranteed to result in a transactional event. You might argue that with other threads, the same is true, however the rate at which this occurs is quite gapped.

Mind, signature campaign threads also receive a higher number of bumps than other threads which are dependent on demand of the individual rather than of the group (of prospective campaigners, a larger set of the services space).

This pushes many of the non-campaign threads down. It would be as if you tried to offer a service in the Altcoin Bounty section: it would be buried. (Services is less insane than bounties but an analogue can be drawn)

14 Signature campaign thread(includes closed/Locked/CFNP)  in first 2 pages i.e overall of 80 threads.

Few of the threads in second page did not get a single post for more than 24 hours.
Still you guys think that we need a separate board for it?
IMHO, No.

Hi all.
I signed in after a while and I still face the same issue. Is there a particular reason why admin is not very proactive here?

I wouldn't say the admins are not proactive, rather it is based in priority, lots of cases are in the pipe line needing to be fixed and yours could get added but it would have to wait for the queue to be cleared. Coupled with the day to day running of the forum I would say they got their hands full.

This is a 2 year old thread dude, you can't even say that !

This is very good idea. Everytime i also found difficulties to find new signature campaign beacause there are many other service providers like signature design and etc. So i think if the forum will make different child board for only signature campaign then it would be very great for us and we can easily find new campaigns.
I hope the forum will give attention on this topic and take forward actions.

Yeah, I agree with this. It's not a pipeline issue.

Maybe it's getting delayed because the new forum software is finally in testing phase and doing any major reorganization in this old forum would be more or less a waste of time.

Do you know that for sure? I mean once this new forum software is here, everything will change? What about the merits and trust ratings? Will they carry over?

Don't worry about that. I am sure theymos will not forget to implement such important information as forum ranks and trust ratings into the new forum.
Scammers and abusers will not get a fresh start.   

The idea of yours having signature campaign on it's sub-boards is not supported. What's the purpose of wearing signature? Is it not to advertise a bounty project for investor to invest in. Signature campaign is like marketing, they spread out in our dimensions without restriction of movement

While we are at it, I think that Services and Goods should each be split into 2 child boards - WTS and WTB, or there should be a requirement (this can be automated with the forum rejecting new threads that don't match that pattern in the title) that each thread starts with either [WTS] or [WTB]. It's just super annoying when you go to those boards with intention of only buying or selling and have to read a ton of titles that you are not interested in.

In fact, there are very few signature campaign on the forum who pay with bitcoins. There are old threads on the forum, which publish all the changes in these campaigns: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0
Everything could be changed if bitcoins paid for the altcoins signature campaign. In this case, an additional section will be needed.

I agree with this!
Especially because there are misleading titles written by some users. Reading the title it's sometimes hard to understand if the user is looking for a certain service or offering it.

It should be mandatory to select WTS, WTB or WTH (Want-To-Hire) which would be added to the Subject. I think that is easier to do than to divide the entire Services section in two boards.

Imagine the extra workload for the admins then. As if they don't have enough on their plate to scan for shitposts and bs and if this was implemented then sorting wtb/wts threads by reading their content would just make things so hectic.

oh no, mods having to work and earn their money, we can't have that.

+1, exactly!
If the prefix is not there just trash or lock the thread and/or inform the OP to edit it with the correct code.
It is up to the OP to select the correct code. If he picks the wrong one he will simply not get the right response and applicants. Moderators don't have to do anything about that except scanning the threads for rule violations which they do anyways.

PMing people, or editing every topic's title is way too much work, but if the forum didn't let the user post a topic in the first place if it doesn't start with "WTS", "WTB", "WTH", or "Other" (and a small message explaining why would be displayed), I think that would make much more sense.

I was searching for new jobs on the service section when not signed in last day and searching was so bad. I think this should be done a separate board needs to be there that is only for signature campaigns, and no signatures should be displayed in that board like serious discussion or ivory tower. So no spam in that board for signatures either.

IMO.its not too hard to find a campaign which is accepting members.You can identify them from the topic title itself

OPEN - means accepting new participants

close or CFNP - means not currently accepting new members for that campaign.

BTW,if you are looking for a job then bitcointalk is not the right place.