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Title: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: bitrebel on May 15, 2013, 06:18:25 PM
Is it possible?
They have done this for merely file sharing sites.
If they wanted to, couldn't they just seize Mtgox.com if they really got desperate in their moves against the largest bitcoin exchange?

Mod edit: Adjusted Title


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: dexX7 on May 15, 2013, 06:26:12 PM
Oh wow.. this title is quite irritating.

Quote
DOMAIN: MTGOX.COM

RSP: KalyHost
URL: http://www.kalyhost.com/

created-date: 2007-01-02 21:05:49
updated-date: 2013-03-29 09:44:40
registration-expiration-date: 2021-01-02 21:05:49

owner-organization: K.K. Tibanne
owner-name: Mark Karpelès
owner-street: Round Cross Shibuya 5F
owner-city: Shibuya
owner-state: Tokyo
owner-zip: 150-0002
owner-country: JP
owner-phone: +81.345206200

Quote
KalyHost is a service by Tibanne Co. Ltd., a company incorporated in Tokyo, Japan.

Okay. Last one was unexpected


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: Frozenlock on May 15, 2013, 06:27:21 PM
God, please change the title.  >:(


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: relm9 on May 15, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
Actually, they can since it's a .com domain, doesn't matter where it was registered.

Only ccTLDs are safe from the US government.


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: smoothie on May 15, 2013, 06:29:00 PM
You would think by now mtgox would have made an official statement regarding coinlab lawsuit and not to mention the more recent DHS account seizure.


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: esse83 on May 15, 2013, 06:29:17 PM
Actually, they can since it's a .com domain, doesn't matter where it was registered.


Very true.


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: EuroTrash on May 15, 2013, 06:31:14 PM
God, please change the title.  >:(

+1


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: samson on May 15, 2013, 06:31:50 PM
They should get a .co.jp domain name

Before somebody else registers it !

Registering Japanese domain names is easy if you know how.


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: Rygon on May 15, 2013, 06:32:18 PM
God, please change the title.  >:(

+1


+2


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: wonkytonky on May 15, 2013, 06:34:15 PM
+3


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: Mushoz on May 15, 2013, 06:35:09 PM

+4


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: ElectricMucus on May 15, 2013, 06:35:34 PM
Leave the title it's worth the laugh.  :D


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: samson on May 15, 2013, 06:36:49 PM
I see that mtgox.co.jp appears to be available at the moment.


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: SkRRJyTC on May 15, 2013, 06:46:24 PM
Actually, they can since it's a .com domain, doesn't matter where it was registered.


Very true.

I am expecting this sometime this year.


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: bitrebel on May 15, 2013, 06:47:16 PM
I can see some people here are torn over the title of the thread. Maybe we should put it to a vote.

If you want the title changed, please vote by sending mbtc to : 1MsoWhFaYgncFKHV1jSh5NDk392Sr65MGu

If you want it to stay this way, please send mbtc to : 1E3PRbWeHe2wTK357eU8pSCVx5SH7ghANF

within 2 hours from now, I will change it if I have more btc in favor of the change.



Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: Hawker on May 15, 2013, 06:48:08 PM
I can see some people here are torn over the title of the thread. Maybe we should put it to a vote.

If you want the title changed, please vote by sending mbtc to : 1MsoWhFaYgncFKHV1jSh5NDk392Sr65MGu

If you want it ot stay this way, please send mbtc to : 1E3PRbWeHe2wTK357eU8pSCVx5SH7ghANF

within 2 hours from now, I will change it if I have more btc in favor of the change.



How sad is your life if you are begging here?


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: Chainsaw on May 15, 2013, 06:48:50 PM

+5

Market reactions based on inaccurate data only prolongs the amount of time it takes to return to stability. This helps no-one, except those intentionally misleading others to profit.  To each his own, but unregulated market or not, that's not how I prefer to make my bitcoins.


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: Chainsaw on May 15, 2013, 06:51:14 PM
I can see some people here are torn over the title of the thread. Maybe we should put it to a vote.

If you want the title changed, please vote by sending mbtc to : 1MsoWhFaYgncFKHV1jSh5NDk392Sr65MGu

If you want it to stay this way, please send mbtc to : 1E3PRbWeHe2wTK357eU8pSCVx5SH7ghANF

within 2 hours from now, I will change it if I have more btc in favor of the change.



And if you're intentionally playing the FUD game, take a tip from FOX, and add a question mark to the end of whatever you write.

Bitrebel Spreading FUD to Support his Bearish Position?


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: smoothie on May 15, 2013, 06:56:35 PM
I can see some people here are torn over the title of the thread. Maybe we should put it to a vote.

If you want the title changed, please vote by sending mbtc to : 1MsoWhFaYgncFKHV1jSh5NDk392Sr65MGu

If you want it to stay this way, please send mbtc to : 1E3PRbWeHe2wTK357eU8pSCVx5SH7ghANF

within 2 hours from now, I will change it if I have more btc in favor of the change.



Wow just wow lol....what an asshole  :P


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: bitrebel on May 15, 2013, 07:01:26 PM
It was really more of a joke than a real request. Why would any rational person expect anyone to donate to them based on a post?
Actually, I was trying to warn people about something very real and possible.


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: anu on May 15, 2013, 07:03:13 PM

Everybody puts bitrebel on ignore.



+1

bitrebel ignored


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: Mushoz on May 15, 2013, 07:12:40 PM

Everybody puts bitrebel on ignore.



+1

bitrebel ignored

Ignored Bitrebel as well. Good job, you're my first, Bitrebel :)


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: bitrebel on May 17, 2013, 06:12:06 PM
What if we woke up tomorrow morning and Mtgox.com was GONE?
Notice posted from Department of Homeland Security claiming Mtgox.com was sized by US authorities???
Nobody would be able to get their money or bitcoins out at that moment onward.
That would be a real bummer for many people.

Don't say I didn't warn you all. It could happen at ANYTIME!
Especially now that they have gone after the Dwolla account of Mtgox.
It's not fear mongering, it's common sense.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: Ares on May 17, 2013, 06:22:22 PM
What if we woke up tomorrow morning and Mtgox.com was GONE?
Notice posted from Department of Homeland Security claiming Mtgox.com was sized by US authorities???
Nobody would be able to get their money or bitcoins out at that moment onward.
That would be a real bummer for many people.

Don't say I didn't warn you all. It could happen at ANYTIME!
Especially now that they have gone after the Dwolla account of Mtgox.
It's not fear mongering, it's common sense.

The point is people will read this thread title and think it has happened.


Even with the word "possible" I read the thread title and thought something just happened and that the US was trying to shut down mt.gox.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: bitrebel on May 17, 2013, 06:24:36 PM
wake up calls can be a necessary reality. Sorry to spook people, but it's something to consider. I believe it could happen real soon.
Nothing is in the way to stop the US from doing this to them. It could happen in 5 minutes, or 5 hours or 5 days from now.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: NamelessOne on May 17, 2013, 06:26:40 PM
wake up calls can be a necessary reality. Sorry to spook people, but it's something to consider. I believe it could happen real soon.
Nothing is in the way to stop the US from doing this to them. It could happen in 5 minutes, or 5 hours or 5 days from now.

You revived this thread when the price started climbing. You seem to want cheaper coins.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: bitrebel on May 17, 2013, 06:30:40 PM
wake up calls can be a necessary reality. Sorry to spook people, but it's something to consider. I believe it could happen real soon.
Nothing is in the way to stop the US from doing this to them. It could happen in 5 minutes, or 5 hours or 5 days from now.

You revived this thread when the price started climbing. You seem to want cheaper coins.

Who doesn't?
But what I posted would cause the price to rise, while people buy, in order to get out of Gox with their bitcoins.
Now that dwolla is unavailable, many people want to buy, because they cannot get their money out very easily.
Your suspicion is unfounded.
I have buys in a low prices and buys in at high ones, too. If it dips, I buy, if it gains, I sell. I'm not partial to the bear or the bull.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: adamstgBit on May 17, 2013, 06:33:17 PM
 ::) big fail


answer is NOPE!


BUY BUY BUY  :D


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: OpenYourEyes on May 17, 2013, 06:38:47 PM
What if we woke up tomorrow morning and Mtgox.com was GONE?

Open web browser of choice.
Click in the address bar of said browser.
Type in 72.52.5.67
Click enter or the go button.
Profit? Lots.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: MAbtc on May 17, 2013, 06:46:28 PM
Gox would just instantly establish itself on another domain that could not be seized by the US. If ownership is not stupid, they are already ready for that.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: NamelessOne on May 17, 2013, 06:49:29 PM
Gox would just instantly establish itself on another domain that could not be seized by the US. If ownership is not stupid, they are already ready for that.
Unfortunately they have proven themselves pretty incompetent time after time. Not exactly a rare occurrence.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: bitrebel on May 17, 2013, 06:50:13 PM
Gox would just instantly establish itself on another domain that could not be seized by the US. If ownership is not stupid, they are already ready for that.

If they were that competent they would have done this already.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: MAbtc on May 17, 2013, 06:52:13 PM
Gox would just instantly establish itself on another domain that could not be seized by the US. If ownership is not stupid, they are already ready for that.

If they were that competent they would have done this already.

Eh, not necessarily. Country-code TLD appears shitty and untrustworthy to many unfamiliar with the situation IMO.

I have to think that Gox has planned for some contingencies.... it's just a mystery which ones!


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: ManBearPig on May 17, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
This can only get worse.

https://i.imgur.com/cIxVeea.png


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: superkawaii on May 17, 2013, 08:13:23 PM
i don't understand how usa could seize a site that's not even in the usa???

answer me this


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: ElectricMucus on May 17, 2013, 08:17:06 PM
i don't understand how usa could seize a site that's not even in the usa???

answer me this
Actually, they can since it's a .com domain, doesn't matter where it was registered.

Only ccTLDs are safe from the US government.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: OpenYourEyes on May 17, 2013, 08:20:38 PM
i don't understand how usa could seize a site that's not even in the usa???

answer me this
.com is essentially "owned" by the USA, it falls under their jurisdiction. The same way .co.uk does in the UK , .ie - Ireland, .jp -  Japan.
Although they can't shut down a website if it is hosted in a different country, they can say that because the don't like site "X" they are taking back "their" .com domain name.

When they do this, they are basically grasping at straws in order to try and prevent people visiting the website. In never works as people can simply use the IP address the domain points to, the host can simply switch to another TLD (such as .co.uk, .me).


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: adamstgBit on May 17, 2013, 08:21:42 PM
i don't understand how usa could seize a site that's not even in the usa???

answer me this
.com is essentially "owned" by the USA, it falls under their jurisdiction. The same way .co.uk does in the UK , .ie - Ireland, .jp -  Japan.
Although they can't shut down a website if it is hosted in a different country, they can say that because the don't like site "X" they are taking back "their" .com domain name.

When they do this, they are basically grasping at straws in order to try and prevent people visiting the website. In never works as people can simply use the IP address the domain points to, the host can simply switch to another TLD (such as .co.uk, .me).

or .bit

 ;)


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: notme on May 17, 2013, 08:39:25 PM
1.  Not gonna happen.
2.  Even if it did, it is super easy to route around the damage.
3.   Saying that a domain seizure would make everybody lose funds is indeed spreading FUD since clearly loss of a DNS record is not as big of a deal as you seem to think.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: superkawaii on May 17, 2013, 08:51:01 PM
i don't understand how usa could seize a site that's not even in the usa???

answer me this
.com is essentially "owned" by the USA, it falls under their jurisdiction. The same way .co.uk does in the UK , .ie - Ireland, .jp -  Japan.
Although they can't shut down a website if it is hosted in a different country, they can say that because the don't like site "X" they are taking back "their" .com domain name.

When they do this, they are basically grasping at straws in order to try and prevent people visiting the website. In never works as people can simply use the IP address the domain points to, the host can simply switch to another TLD (such as .co.uk, .me).

or .bit

 ;)

oh lol thats pretty interesting i never knew usa owns "com"  what the the "m" stand for murica?

:D


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: ElectricMucus on May 17, 2013, 08:58:31 PM
"The domain was originally administered by the United States Department of Defense, but is today operated by Verisign, and remains under ultimate jurisdiction of US law.[2][3][4] Verisign Registrations in com are processed via registrars accredited by ICANN. The registry accepts internationalized domain names."  --wikipedia

com stands for commercial btw.


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: SEC agent on May 18, 2013, 12:29:54 AM
Is it possible?

Yes.


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: Seal on May 20, 2013, 04:14:51 AM

Now I'm curious... what was the original title?


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: keewee on May 20, 2013, 04:20:06 AM

"Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities". It's in the title of post #2 in the thread


Title: Re: Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities
Post by: bozak on May 20, 2013, 04:22:03 PM
You would think by now mtgox would have made an official statement regarding coinlab lawsuit and not to mention the more recent DHS account seizure.

Agreed, it is very concerning that they have said nothing.  It is also very odd that they haven't even disabled the Dwolla withdraw option.   


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: gizmoh on May 20, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
Yes Folks it can happen anytime, so why, oh why do you still keep your USD in Gox, convert to coins NOW before its too late..
PANIC BUY i say. ;D


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: Frozenlock on May 20, 2013, 05:19:37 PM
Yes Folks it can happen anytime, so why, oh why do you still keep your USD in Gox, convert to coins NOW before its too late..
PANIC BUY i say. ;D

This panic buy already happened.  ;)


Title: Re: Possible Mtgox.com Domain Seizure by US Authorities?
Post by: virtualmaster on May 21, 2013, 07:30:10 AM
My be it's time to use MtGox.bit with Namecoin which cannot be seized.