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Title: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: dragon fire on August 05, 2017, 02:37:45 AM
China has built a new military facility on the islands of the South China Sea. The Chinese military project was revealed from a satellite image reported by a US think tank.

The Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI), a section of the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), reported in its report that a new satellite image shows missile shelters as well as radar and communications facilities built on Fiery Cross, Mischief and Subi Reef In the Spratly Islands, South China Sea.

The United States criticized the construction of China's military facilities on the artificial islands for fear that Washington's regional navigation freedom is missing.

Last month, a US Navy warship sailed within 12 nautical miles on the Mischief Reef with a patrol claim of freedom of navigation. The warship patrol near the Chinese-made island was the first since Donald Trump served as US president.

Washington accuses Beijing of militarization in the disputed region. But China denied it.

Islands in the South China Sea are disputed between China and other Asian countries such as Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

China, according to AMTI, has previously built four new missile shelters at Fiery Cross Reef. Mischief and Subi each have eight shelters.

In a recent AMTI report, it was mentioned that a large dome was recently installed in Fiery Cross and another one is under construction. The facility is a great communication or radar system. Two other domes, according to AMTI, were also built on Mischief Reef.

"Beijing can now use military assets, including fighter jets and missile launchers to move to the Spratly Islands at any time," the AMTI report said.

Beijing's government and military have not responded to the report of the US think tank. However, China has insisted that the islands in the South China Sea are its sovereign territory, where Beijing claims almost the entire South China Sea region.

How do you think about this ?


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: keyrun on August 05, 2017, 03:10:16 AM
They are just starting from the outskirts of their place.
They have a long way to go before placing one in the Atlantic.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Sadlife on August 05, 2017, 03:12:13 AM
Is this recent ? i believe this news was already been released that they've been building a military base in the island of sprantly. It seems to me that they're looking to expand their territory even countries like japan and india are being terrorized by china and claiming some territory and provoking them into war it feels like china is preparing for war. The president of the Philippines tried to resolve the dispute between the two countries and the prime minister of china just said "if you wont drop this then we will go to war" although not exactly the same words but it's close enough.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: tonlong on August 05, 2017, 04:03:04 AM
Is this recent ? i believe this news was already been released that they've been building a military base in the island of sprantly. It seems to me that they're looking to expand their territory even countries like japan and india are being terrorized by china and claiming some territory and provoking them into war it feels like china is preparing for war. The president of the Philippines tried to resolve the dispute between the two countries and the prime minister of china just said "if you wont drop this then we will go to war" although not exactly the same words but it's close enough.
I hope the countries involved can get a negotiated result one day. I totally understand the reason why they have not yet reached a consensus because these are all about the national interests. I only hope this can be peacefully settled at last.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Masha Sha on August 05, 2017, 05:03:18 AM
Us think thank are slush fund used by foreign countries to attempt to influence us policy. Some use bribes, dinner money, yacht trip, or underage girls to get us congress and administration under control. This is why d.c. counties are the wealthiest counties in the us.

This is a all a fucking scam that can only be not gree falling (like wtc7 on 9.11) as long as the usd is reserve currency, saddly as it become a slush fund, lasyness, corruption and stupidity took over. If only the chinese realized the chance they have to have a suicidal, divided, occupied usa now. Of course it's still a dangerous beast but in absolute and relative term the question is if it's terminal or not? And more importantly this american decay is dangerous for china, as it become self referential.

So no, you who pay to steal from china, you have no chance. learn feom the past, fight your domestic corruption and even if small you will be listen in beijing, but as american clone and lapdog... pfff.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: sweetbet on August 05, 2017, 05:25:47 AM
We are living in very scary times, and every day the world edges closer to a full blown military confrontation that might see the start of WW3. There is way too much tension between the major powers, and it's only a matter of time before something spirals out of control. I really hope I'm wrong.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: gabmen on August 05, 2017, 07:16:46 AM
No one really in that region has the strength to challenge china militarily so they're bullying small countries likenthe philippines. I mean what can these countries do right? And western countries also will risk war if they initiated a military response since it's beyond their scope already


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Sithara007 on August 05, 2017, 07:26:55 AM
No one really in that region has the strength to challenge china militarily so they're bullying small countries likenthe philippines. I mean what can these countries do right? And western countries also will risk war if they initiated a military response since it's beyond their scope already

There are two solutions to this issue. The first one is to leave the entire South China Sea to the Chinese. Considering the weak military might of nations such as the Philippines and Vietnam, I don't think that a military confrontation by these nations against China is a viable option. The other option is for the United States to take a lead role, and set up naval and army facilities in the Spratly Islands group.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Masha Sha on August 05, 2017, 07:28:50 AM
No one really in that region has the strength to challenge china militarily so they're bullying small countries likenthe philippines. I mean what can these countries do right? And western countries also will risk war if they initiated a military response since it's beyond their scope already

There are two solutions to this issue. The first one is to leave the entire South China Sea to the Chinese. Considering the weak military might of nations such as the Philippines and Vietnam, I don't think that a military confrontation by these nations against China is a viable option. The other option is for the United States to take a lead role, and set up naval and army facilities in the Spratly Islands group.

China has better chances to win a war against usa in the golf of mexico than america winning in the scs. Which nation can fight the biggest manufacturing power on earth in it's sewage water? Unless the goal is to kill as many as possible american patriots...


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Sithara007 on August 05, 2017, 07:37:59 AM
No one really in that region has the strength to challenge china militarily so they're bullying small countries likenthe philippines. I mean what can these countries do right? And western countries also will risk war if they initiated a military response since it's beyond their scope already

There are two solutions to this issue. The first one is to leave the entire South China Sea to the Chinese. Considering the weak military might of nations such as the Philippines and Vietnam, I don't think that a military confrontation by these nations against China is a viable option. The other option is for the United States to take a lead role, and set up naval and army facilities in the Spratly Islands group.

China has better chances to win a war against usa in the golf of mexico than america winning in the scs. Which nation can fight the biggest manufacturing power on earth in it's sewage water? Unless the goal is to kill as many as possible american patriots...

The PLA Navy is the weakest component of the Chinese armed forces. Unlike the Army and the Air Force, the PLAN does not posses ultra-modern equipment and weapons. They are miles behind the United States Navy in terms of battle capabilities.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Xester on August 05, 2017, 07:56:59 AM
I do not know why this country continues to build territory even it is not in their area.  They are unconciously conciously expanding their territory or maybe it is the modern way to invade one's place.  Maybe they do not know where to place another factory of fake products that is why they are building it there.  Hope that the government of the country that owns that area would do some action to stop that unconcious invasion of China.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Masha Sha on August 05, 2017, 08:05:27 AM
No one really in that region has the strength to challenge china militarily so they're bullying small countries likenthe philippines. I mean what can these countries do right? And western countries also will risk war if they initiated a military response since it's beyond their scope already

There are two solutions to this issue. The first one is to leave the entire South China Sea to the Chinese. Considering the weak military might of nations such as the Philippines and Vietnam, I don't think that a military confrontation by these nations against China is a viable option. The other option is for the United States to take a lead role, and set up naval and army facilities in the Spratly Islands group.

China has better chances to win a war against usa in the golf of mexico than america winning in the scs. Which nation can fight the biggest manufacturing power on earth in it's sewage water? Unless the goal is to kill as many as possible american patriots...

The PLA Navy is the weakest component of the Chinese armed forces. Unlike the Army and the Air Force, the PLAN does not posses ultra-modern equipment and weapons. They are miles behind the United States Navy in terms of battle capabilities.

Hehehe... the goal is to have nothing that floats left. Only fishes and shrimps eating the corpses of those having dared to engage in those water... supply line is everything and contrary to japan how to corner china? Invsde russia? LoL.

So secret:)


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Masha Sha on August 05, 2017, 10:23:49 AM
Is this recent ? i believe this news was already been released that they've been building a military base in the island of sprantly. It seems to me that they're looking to expand their territory even countries like japan and india are being terrorized by china and claiming some territory and provoking them into war it feels like china is preparing for war. The president of the Philippines tried to resolve the dispute between the two countries and the prime minister of china just said "if you wont drop this then we will go to war" although not exactly the same words but it's close enough.

This news was a year ago but still they are managing to build facilities in that area and the philippine government cant do anything about it. We all know that area was philippine teritory.

Lies, for thousands of years. Anyway what can do super duderte the killer? LoL beg the yankes?

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Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: criptix on August 05, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
No one really in that region has the strength to challenge china militarily so they're bullying small countries likenthe philippines. I mean what can these countries do right? And western countries also will risk war if they initiated a military response since it's beyond their scope already

There are two solutions to this issue. The first one is to leave the entire South China Sea to the Chinese. Considering the weak military might of nations such as the Philippines and Vietnam, I don't think that a military confrontation by these nations against China is a viable option. The other option is for the United States to take a lead role, and set up naval and army facilities in the Spratly Islands group.

China has better chances to win a war against usa in the golf of mexico than america winning in the scs. Which nation can fight the biggest manufacturing power on earth in it's sewage water? Unless the goal is to kill as many as possible american patriots...

Chinese military is on par with arab nations.
They just have quantity which doesnt matter much in a modern war.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Masha Sha on August 05, 2017, 09:19:39 PM
I wouldn't for one second believe that for two simple reasons from recent events, the fall of beijing at the hand of foreigners and japan attack. Most say that cccp survive as long as there is growth but safety doesn't even need to be mentionned.

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;)

What is fun is that this scale is only possible with certain values, like peace, harmony, honesty (where is MY container), respect for life and the flow of it... sadly when the barbarians start to abuse majesty they will learn what those values produce, oh and it's way older than cccp...

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What ever... way before:

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Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Sithara007 on August 06, 2017, 07:11:28 AM
This news was a year ago but still they are managing to build facilities in that area and the philippine government cant do anything about it. We all know that area was philippine teritory.

This is what the Chinese do and their neighbors can't do anything about it. Look at the past territorial conflicts. The Chinese have stolen territory from India, Taiwan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Vietnam, Philippines, and Mongolia. Right now they are trying to invade the Doklam plateau, which is a part of the small kingdom of Bhutan.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: johnextman852 on August 06, 2017, 08:47:02 AM
It's really threatening not only in my country, the Philippines but also the other claimants of disputed islands in SCS. China is aggresive and a bully to other countries, they can't respect the countries who are also claming the islands.
Their 9 dash line is a fvcking bs though.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: IvanPont on August 06, 2017, 11:28:36 AM
China has built a new military facility on the islands of the South China Sea. The Chinese military project was revealed from a satellite image reported by a US think tank.

The Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI), a section of the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), reported in its report that a new satellite image shows missile shelters as well as radar and communications facilities built on Fiery Cross, Mischief and Subi Reef In the Spratly Islands, South China Sea.

The United States criticized the construction of China's military facilities on the artificial islands for fear that Washington's regional navigation freedom is missing.

Last month, a US Navy warship sailed within 12 nautical miles on the Mischief Reef with a patrol claim of freedom of navigation. The warship patrol near the Chinese-made island was the first since Donald Trump served as US president.

Washington accuses Beijing of militarization in the disputed region. But China denied it.

Islands in the South China Sea are disputed between China and other Asian countries such as Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

China, according to AMTI, has previously built four new missile shelters at Fiery Cross Reef. Mischief and Subi each have eight shelters.

In a recent AMTI report, it was mentioned that a large dome was recently installed in Fiery Cross and another one is under construction. The facility is a great communication or radar system. Two other domes, according to AMTI, were also built on Mischief Reef.

"Beijing can now use military assets, including fighter jets and missile launchers to move to the Spratly Islands at any time," the AMTI report said.

Beijing's government and military have not responded to the report of the US think tank. However, China has insisted that the islands in the South China Sea are its sovereign territory, where Beijing claims almost the entire South China Sea region.

How do you think about this ?
I think, China, as well as any other state, has a right to create that they want. Now, when in became the world restless, many want to strengthen the army. And China that not exception.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Netnox on August 06, 2017, 11:56:04 AM
It's really threatening not only in my country, the Philippines but also the other claimants of disputed islands in SCS. China is aggresive and a bully to other countries, they can't respect the countries who are also claming the islands.
Their 9 dash line is a fvcking bs though.

I think that the only solution is for all the other countries to unite (including Japan, India and Taiwan), and to defend their territories from the Chinese aggression. Now it seems like China may attack the Indian forces in the Doklam plateau in Bhutan. In that case, all the other nations must send their troops to Doklam, to support the Indians.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 06, 2017, 02:04:55 PM
As usual, the Chinese are creating unnecessary provocations. I suggest the Americans to take a more active role in the conflict here, rather than wasting their time and effort in provoking Kim Jong Un in North Korea.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: merchantofzeny on August 06, 2017, 02:20:59 PM
It's really threatening not only in my country, the Philippines but also the other claimants of disputed islands in SCS. China is aggresive and a bully to other countries, they can't respect the countries who are also claming the islands.
Their 9 dash line is a fvcking bs though.

I think that the only solution is for all the other countries to unite (including Japan, India and Taiwan), and to defend their territories from the Chinese aggression. Now it seems like China may attack the Indian forces in the Doklam plateau in Bhutan. In that case, all the other nations must send their troops to Doklam, to support the Indians.

I've recently seen a vid on Youtube about Doklam. No wonder India is really pissed off. China getting a foot hold there means it would be possible for them to cut-off India's north-eastern states, like Megalhaya and Sikkim.

http://www.iasparliament.com/uploads/files/dokla.png



Basically the same cabbage approach they are using against other SE Asian claimants, take over one part, and then slowly push out from that.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: RamBahadur.Gurung on August 06, 2017, 02:26:01 PM
I've recently seen a vid on Youtube about Doklam. No wonder India is really pissed off. China getting a foot hold there means it would be possible for them to cut-off India's north-eastern states, like Megalhaya and Sikkim.

The Chinese have their claims over Arunachal Pradesh, and this may be a reason why they want to cut-off mainland India from the northeast. But I guess the Indian army is stronger now, when compared to the situation they had in 1962.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Xester on August 06, 2017, 03:19:02 PM
As usual, the Chinese are creating unnecessary provocations. I suggest the Americans to take a more active role in the conflict here, rather than wasting their time and effort in provoking Kim Jong Un in North Korea.

Yes I too agree with you that the America should not provoke the Norkor and instead help countries near China to stop them building facilities on the place they did not own.  China was making its modern way of invasion to expand their territory.  They are using their manpower and wealth to do invasion as maybe they are lacking resources right now to feed its people.  But will Trump amicable in talking with this case as the US owe China big time.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Sithara007 on August 07, 2017, 05:59:42 AM
As usual, the Chinese are creating unnecessary provocations. I suggest the Americans to take a more active role in the conflict here, rather than wasting their time and effort in provoking Kim Jong Un in North Korea.

Yes I too agree with you that the America should not provoke the Norkor and instead help countries near China to stop them building facilities on the place they did not own.  China was making its modern way of invasion to expand their territory.  They are using their manpower and wealth to do invasion as maybe they are lacking resources right now to feed its people.  But will Trump amicable in talking with this case as the US owe China big time.

The Americans must quickly build military bases in the islands which are currently under the control of allied nations such as the Philippines. Also, they need to provide quality weapons to these nations. The US can also consider helping India, which is currently having strained relations with China.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: The_prodigy on August 07, 2017, 07:35:02 AM
As usual, the Chinese are creating unnecessary provocations. I suggest the Americans to take a more active role in the conflict here, rather than wasting their time and effort in provoking Kim Jong Un in North Korea.

Yes I too agree with you that the America should not provoke the Norkor and instead help countries near China to stop them building facilities on the place they did not own.  China was making its modern way of invasion to expand their territory.  They are using their manpower and wealth to do invasion as maybe they are lacking resources right now to feed its people.  But will Trump amicable in talking with this case as the US owe China big time.

The Americans must quickly build military bases in the islands which are currently under the control of allied nations such as the Philippines. Also, they need to provide quality weapons to these nations. The US can also consider helping India, which is currently having strained relations with China.

Once the americans build their own bases then I think that would be the fuse to light wverything up. What i think we should do is to make the chinese nation be held accountable by using the united nations to put them in court and make them explain and submit to the rules of the sea and territories that govern the asian region.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: merchantofzeny on August 07, 2017, 01:59:46 PM
As usual, the Chinese are creating unnecessary provocations. I suggest the Americans to take a more active role in the conflict here, rather than wasting their time and effort in provoking Kim Jong Un in North Korea.

Yes I too agree with you that the America should not provoke the Norkor and instead help countries near China to stop them building facilities on the place they did not own.  China was making its modern way of invasion to expand their territory.  They are using their manpower and wealth to do invasion as maybe they are lacking resources right now to feed its people.  But will Trump amicable in talking with this case as the US owe China big time.

The Americans must quickly build military bases in the islands which are currently under the control of allied nations such as the Philippines. Also, they need to provide quality weapons to these nations. The US can also consider helping India, which is currently having strained relations with China.

It's too late now. China has already completely reclaimed several shallow islets and many of them now have runways as well as space for missile launchers. America trying to get in there could make the situation more unpredictable.

It also doesn't help that the Philippines is pretty much the only ally US have in there among the claimants. American presence there could be used by China to drive a wedge between ASEAN claimants, further preventing them from coming up with a concerted action to stop Beijing's cabbage patch from overgrowing the entire area. For example, Vietnam could be suspicious of increased American presence, considering their history.

ASEAN did came up with a harsher than expected statement against the Chinese causing tension in the region, which was surprising considering China have its chum Cambodia in the bloc. (ASEAN operates by consensus, meaning only once member disagreeing can throw off everything.)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-asean-philippines-southchinasea-state-idUSKBN1AM0IR

http://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/08/07/17/read-50th-asean-foreign-ministers-meeting-joint-communique




Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 07, 2017, 02:07:12 PM
Once the americans build their own bases then I think that would be the fuse to light wverything up. What i think we should do is to make the chinese nation be held accountable by using the united nations to put them in court and make them explain and submit to the rules of the sea and territories that govern the asian region.

The United Nations is a toothless body incapable of not doing anything. Rather than expecting the UN to take action, the US must act first and secure what is left of the South China Sea. Else, China is going to swallow the entire region.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Sithara007 on August 08, 2017, 04:59:15 AM
It also doesn't help that the Philippines is pretty much the only ally US have in there among the claimants.

That is not entirely true. Taiwan has been an ally of the United States for many decades. Also, Vietnam has recently moved to the NATO sphere, especially after the disintegration of the USSR. Other nations such as Malaysia and Indonesia are also more favorable to the US than towards China.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: merchantofzeny on August 08, 2017, 03:11:11 PM
It also doesn't help that the Philippines is pretty much the only ally US have in there among the claimants.

That is not entirely true. Taiwan has been an ally of the United States for many decades. Also, Vietnam has recently moved to the NATO sphere, especially after the disintegration of the USSR. Other nations such as Malaysia and Indonesia are also more favorable to the US than towards China.

Taiwan is not considered a sovereign nation though, that's why you don't see them invited in meetings like China, US, Japan and North Korea had representatives in the ASEAN meeting. If the US try to use their influence in Taiwan, China will just accuse America of warmongering, after all China considers Taiwan as a renegade province. Also, whatever claim China have on the S China Sea is the same claim Taiwan is making.

As for Malaysia and Indonesia, I don't hear them calling themselves US allies though they are not as hostile to the US as the current Philippine administration. Jeez, what a sellout that old geezer is. The only reason the issue was ever mentioned on the communique was because Vietnam insisted.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: keyrun on August 10, 2017, 10:01:50 AM
Regarding the Doklam status, India has no right to interfere. It's positioning it's troop to a nation stating right of another nation.

The motive of India seem disastrous as there were no Chinese army in the region, they just wanted to obstruct a road construction.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Sithara007 on August 10, 2017, 11:10:34 AM
Regarding the Doklam status, India has no right to interfere. It's positioning it's troop to a nation stating right of another nation.

The motive of India seem disastrous as there were no Chinese army in the region, they just wanted to obstruct a road construction.

Doklam is a part of Bhutan, as per the international laws. Since Bhutan is incapable of defending its territory against a bully such as China, it has requested the Indians to interfere and help.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: gabmen on August 11, 2017, 10:16:47 AM
No one really in that region has the strength to challenge china militarily so they're bullying small countries likenthe philippines. I mean what can these countries do right? And western countries also will risk war if they initiated a military response since it's beyond their scope already

There are two solutions to this issue. The first one is to leave the entire South China Sea to the Chinese. Considering the weak military might of nations such as the Philippines and Vietnam, I don't think that a military confrontation by these nations against China is a viable option. The other option is for the United States to take a lead role, and set up naval and army facilities in the Spratly Islands group.

China has better chances to win a war against usa in the golf of mexico than america winning in the scs. Which nation can fight the biggest manufacturing power on earth in it's sewage water? Unless the goal is to kill as many as possible american patriots...

Chinese military is on par with arab nations.
They just have quantity which doesnt matter much in a modern war.

I agree with you there but the thing is, it would have to come from the west. Souht china sea is just a stone's throw away from china and the us would have to drag its military might all the way to the east. The countries around the diaputed seas don't really match up whether its quality or quantity of military might


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: wearepoor on August 11, 2017, 12:08:16 PM
China has built a new military facility on the islands of the South China Sea. The Chinese military project was revealed from a satellite image reported by a US think tank.

The Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI), a section of the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), reported in its report that a new satellite image shows missile shelters as well as radar and communications facilities built on Fiery Cross, Mischief and Subi Reef In the Spratly Islands, South China Sea.

The United States criticized the construction of China's military facilities on the artificial islands for fear that Washington's regional navigation freedom is missing.

Last month, a US Navy warship sailed within 12 nautical miles on the Mischief Reef with a patrol claim of freedom of navigation. The warship patrol near the Chinese-made island was the first since Donald Trump served as US president.

Washington accuses Beijing of militarization in the disputed region. But China denied it.

Islands in the South China Sea are disputed between China and other Asian countries such as Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

China, according to AMTI, has previously built four new missile shelters at Fiery Cross Reef. Mischief and Subi each have eight shelters.

In a recent AMTI report, it was mentioned that a large dome was recently installed in Fiery Cross and another one is under construction. The facility is a great communication or radar system. Two other domes, according to AMTI, were also built on Mischief Reef.

"Beijing can now use military assets, including fighter jets and missile launchers to move to the Spratly Islands at any time," the AMTI report said.

Beijing's government and military have not responded to the report of the US think tank. However, China has insisted that the islands in the South China Sea are its sovereign territory, where Beijing claims almost the entire South China Sea region.

How do you think about this ?


China is a major growing economy in the world, they are looking to become a world superpower and they have the required potential. As it is ruled by the communists, they have the expansionist policy since the beginning. This is just a one chapter of their expansionist policy, they have border dispute with almost every neighboring country and its their tradition to claim the other territories to achieve their goal.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: wearepoor on August 11, 2017, 12:20:46 PM
Regarding the Doklam status, India has no right to interfere. It's positioning it's troop to a nation stating right of another nation.

The motive of India seem disastrous as there were no Chinese army in the region, they just wanted to obstruct a road construction.

Doklam is a part of Bhutan, as per the international laws. Since Bhutan is incapable of defending its territory against a bully such as China, it has requested the Indians to interfere and help.

China can bully smaller countries only and this time they were trying to bully Bhutan. But its India who came forward upon the bhutan's request to defend their territory and that road is also threat for India's security. India has every right to stop China's hegemony and defend bhutan's territory. As of now India has shown some tough stand and forced China to stop the construction of road in disputed area. Its almost two months but China is still just threatening India but no action has been taken by their army. On other hand India is also ready for limited war but both the  countries will try to resolve the issues by diplomatic channels.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Masha Sha on August 11, 2017, 02:43:01 PM
The problem which country among your listed above are doing anything about corruptions? I include usa. None. All are fucking muppets unable to understand the basic tenent of war: integrity in the chain of command and accross the people of the nation. Look at yourself for once... and fucking stop dreaming about dead americans and westerners for your unability to one not steal from china when in transition and two for your unlimited greed that makes all your contries little nothing in the ressources domains. In the next 5 years china project is to lift 70 millions people out of poverety. And remember who can build can destroy so much faster, it's so easier.

Before

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Now

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And then, maybe

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What could you do? You would need to think... isn't it easier to loot your citizens and then beg for help from the west while then claiming your independance? Wouldn't it be beneficial for the west to have china restored? Your growth is deterimental, your influences and corruptions nefast to china and the west... and ultimately it's just a road...

You are really a bunch of comics:

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LoL...








Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: degaga15 on August 11, 2017, 03:22:53 PM
China has built a new military facility on the islands of the South China Sea. The Chinese military project was revealed from a satellite image reported by a US think tank.

The Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI), a section of the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), reported in its report that a new satellite image shows missile shelters as well as radar and communications facilities built on Fiery Cross, Mischief and Subi Reef In the Spratly Islands, South China Sea.

The United States criticized the construction of China's military facilities on the artificial islands for fear that Washington's regional navigation freedom is missing.

Last month, a US Navy warship sailed within 12 nautical miles on the Mischief Reef with a patrol claim of freedom of navigation. The warship patrol near the Chinese-made island was the first since Donald Trump served as US president.

Washington accuses Beijing of militarization in the disputed region. But China denied it.

Islands in the South China Sea are disputed between China and other Asian countries such as Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

China, according to AMTI, has previously built four new missile shelters at Fiery Cross Reef. Mischief and Subi each have eight shelters.

In a recent AMTI report, it was mentioned that a large dome was recently installed in Fiery Cross and another one is under construction. The facility is a great communication or radar system. Two other domes, according to AMTI, were also built on Mischief Reef.

"Beijing can now use military assets, including fighter jets and missile launchers to move to the Spratly Islands at any time," the AMTI report said.

Beijing's government and military have not responded to the report of the US think tank. However, China has insisted that the islands in the South China Sea are its sovereign territory, where Beijing claims almost the entire South China Sea region.

How do you think about this ?
I just know this, if that's true it can be dangerous, because as we know that china is almost in control of the trading system in this case electronic goods, i do not know why china started to create missiles, maybe there is agreement between china and north korea. I hope there will be no more war after the second world war.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Netnox on August 11, 2017, 03:25:42 PM
China can bully smaller countries only and this time they were trying to bully Bhutan. But its India who came forward upon the bhutan's request to defend their territory and that road is also threat for India's security. India has every right to stop China's hegemony and defend bhutan's territory. As of now India has shown some tough stand and forced China to stop the construction of road in disputed area. Its almost two months but China is still just threatening India but no action has been taken by their army. On other hand India is also ready for limited war but both the  countries will try to resolve the issues by diplomatic channels.

China doesn't have the balls to confront stronger nations such as Japan and the United States. There is a territorial dispute between Japan and China, over the Senkaku Islands. This region is still under the Japanese rule.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: joebrook on August 11, 2017, 03:57:04 PM
They are just starting from the outskirts of their place.
They have a long way to go before placing one in the Atlantic.
Why is the USA complaining about this when they have been building and placing their so called Missiles defence system all around Russia, the Americans as requested very hypocritical when they accuse China of doing exactly what they have been doing around Russia, what's the freedom in that.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: iram3130 on August 11, 2017, 04:39:59 PM
The Chinese are having dispute with all of it's neighbours and it's not new to them. Can you find Tibet on the map now.? No. Because China is occupying it illegally. Only if all of the neighbors of China teams up then only it'll be controlled and it is necessary actually.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: wearepoor on August 11, 2017, 05:28:32 PM
The Chinese are having dispute with all of it's neighbours and it's not new to them. Can you find Tibet on the map now.? No. Because China is occupying it illegally. Only if all of the neighbors of China teams up then only it'll be controlled and it is necessary actually.

Yeah, everyone knows that how china has illegally and forcefully occupied Tibet. In the past, India lodged their protest and supported independence of tibet but when sikkim became part of india, china refused to acknowledge it. Later on both countries came to mutual agreement , wherein china acknowledged sikkim as a part of india and India acknowledged tibet as a part of China.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Sithara007 on August 12, 2017, 05:02:30 AM
The Chinese are having dispute with all of it's neighbours and it's not new to them. Can you find Tibet on the map now.? No. Because China is occupying it illegally. Only if all of the neighbors of China teams up then only it'll be controlled and it is necessary actually.

Yeah, everyone knows that how china has illegally and forcefully occupied Tibet. In the past, India lodged their protest and supported independence of tibet but when sikkim became part of india, china refused to acknowledge it. Later on both countries came to mutual agreement , wherein china acknowledged sikkim as a part of india and India acknowledged tibet as a part of China.

Sikkim decided to join India after 98% of the people supported the move in a referendum. On the other hand, China forcibly invaded Tibet during the 1950s, killing tens of thousands of Tibetan civilians. That is the difference between Sikkim and Tibet.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: wearepoor on August 12, 2017, 07:06:02 AM
The Chinese are having dispute with all of it's neighbours and it's not new to them. Can you find Tibet on the map now.? No. Because China is occupying it illegally. Only if all of the neighbors of China teams up then only it'll be controlled and it is necessary actually.

Yeah, everyone knows that how china has illegally and forcefully occupied Tibet. In the past, India lodged their protest and supported independence of tibet but when sikkim became part of india, china refused to acknowledge it. Later on both countries came to mutual agreement , wherein china acknowledged sikkim as a part of india and India acknowledged tibet as a part of China.

Sikkim decided to join India after 98% of the people supported the move in a referendum. On the other hand, China forcibly invaded Tibet during the 1950s, killing tens of thousands of Tibetan civilians. That is the difference between Sikkim and Tibet.

Agreed with you mate, there is lot of difference between Tibet and Sikkim. I just want to clarify that, India will not support for the independence of Tibet as the situation has been changed now. If they do so, china will counter back with the support for independence of Sikkim and Kashmir.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: cherryganda on September 14, 2017, 07:04:28 PM
They are being bully to small countries! they know that those country has no capability to fight in war thats why iit is always want to be on peaceful talk like the philippines .. though the arbitral gave the rights to the Philippines they still insist their rights but theres no right for them it is just called south china sea but it is really a philippines sea and with the PAR of that country .. what will be next sstep of china and who will be the enemy of CHINA ??


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: BTCmax24 on September 14, 2017, 10:08:57 PM
Why China building military facility in the South China Sea? Its because of US in appropriate attitude towards China. This US is bullying China and selfish country that want to control everything. Why super power country want to become morw powerful? Because they want to defend their sovereig countrt from other super power. So this is the result why China built new military facilities in West Philippine Sea. This is between two superpowers and not between Philippines, Vietnam nor Malaysia. It happena because of US presence in the Asia.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: Sithara007 on September 15, 2017, 12:46:38 AM
Agreed with you mate, there is lot of difference between Tibet and Sikkim. I just want to clarify that, India will not support for the independence of Tibet as the situation has been changed now. If they do so, china will counter back with the support for independence of Sikkim and Kashmir.

There is a big difference between Sikkim and Tibet. The people of Sikkim don't want to be independent. The state is having a Hindu majority, and they are happy being a part of India. But that is not the case with Tibet. Even now, there is a lot of support for independence there. And talking about Kashmir, it is true that the majority of the population want to secede from India.


Title: Re: China Builds New Military Facilities in South China Sea
Post by: sonicwave on September 15, 2017, 04:09:16 AM

They have every right to do this. When such an unstable situation in the world, and also the neighboring country, which scares all with nuclear weapons, the construction of military facilities is justified.