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There is probably a potential lawsuit against mybitcoin.com for negligence.

Numerous users have complained about the theft of bitcoins from mybitcoin.com
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20427.0

If they were aware of the potential security breach and did not take adequate measure to protect their members they could be liable.

They would be held to a reasonable standard.

It seems Tradehill and Mt. Gox halted trading until passwords were reset to protect their members accounts.

That is the standard they should be held to.

I am not clear if mybitcoin went that far.

They have this message on their site:

IMPORTANT NOTICE - PLEASE READ!


MTGOX was recently hacked. Their password list was stolen and leaked to the internet. If you have a MTGOX account and the password is the same as your MyBitcoin account you MUST change your password immediately or risk having your account compromised. You have been warned.

If that is all they did it would not be sufficient compared to what reasonable competitors did, and was not sufficient as many users lost their coins.

Yes, you are right. I am glad I dont use mybitcoin.com

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Lol why should mybitcoin be sued? Because idiotic users are to lazy to use strong passwords and use the same password in the whole www? That's simply the price they have to pay for that lection but I assume suing other people is easier. :-\

no, it's not about users not changing their passwords



mybitcoin's database was hacked.

is that speculation or based on something i just do not know about?

They too? Are you sure? Are their passwords hashed?

I thought it's because many users might use their mtgox pwd for mybitcoin (and the mtgox db was leaked).

See for yourself.

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20275.0

Please stop spreading FUD unless you have some evidence that they were hacked. For now it looks like some users had shared password on both MtGox and mybitcoin.com. And to me, that version looks very probable.

actually if you'd bothered reading the standard eula for most websites it specifically tells you to use a password you do not use anywhere else. If you didn't do this it absolves mybitcoin from all liability. cya later.

Funny that everyone who suffered in this incident used the same passwords at both places.

I bet those sueing will deny this now  ::)

Can't blame mybitcoin for that.

Interesting read, some people seem to had passwords different to their mtgox pass. I better withdraw my coins before the shit hits the fan (just in case).

So, do they have class action suits in the West Indies?

Sorry for my stereo-typing but is this an american scheme to approach something?

Sue Sue SUE sue whenever something goes wrong, no matter who the guilty party all I keep hearing from americans is to sue the other party.

Mybitcoin gave a fair warning on their FREE service website that have had no issues, still havnt got any except if you used your user/pass of mtgox on mybitcoin.com then OF FUCKING COURSE it will be usuable, wtf do you expect them to do? Delete your wallet/everyones wallet on mybitcoin.com just to be safe? If you did any research you would realise that mybitcoin.com also disabled access to accounts post-shitstorm-sunday.

Grow the fk up, this is getting rediculous.

Yes, unfortunately it's usually the course of action taken.  But can you really blame people?  I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

I've never even heard of mybitcoin, but these sites need to increase their security so that they don't continue to have these hacking problems.

Protect your investments or deal with the consequences. Perhaps, maybe don't store your funds in a free service online database? Seems like a logical thing NOT to do considering the past weeks circumstances with missing funds. What's worse is that now these forums have a flood of posts about people suggesting theft. In my opinion, it was theft to steal the database of MTGox. However, not changing your passwords if you were on the list (or maybe not even on the list) is just ignorant to your own good.

I actually can blame them, I constantly hear how they want less government in their lives however when something goes wrong they want to piggy back on the government and law suits.

Its time to grow up, face the problems and stop trying to divert it.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.
2. the woman originally sued for only her medical costs.  the larger punitive damaged were added by the jury.
3. they had previously settled out of court on multiple similar cases.

Regardless of password reuse, and them not forcing a password change, there is a much more severe liability issue: MyBitcoin had _no_ fraud prevention measures whatsoever. Hundreds of accounts getting all their funds withdrawn to the very same address at the same time should have been detected, especially after a known breach. There is no two factor auth. Basically there is _nothing_ that stops someone from stealing ALL funds when he has the passwords.

My experience with mybitcoin.com is this:

If you accidentally double-spend to a merchant using the same mybitcoin.com address twice, the merchant won't get the 2nd payment, and mybitcoin.com won't return the overpayment to either you or the merchant.

Oh, plus it takes 3+ weeks to actually have any staff get back to you to tell you they're keeping them.

Ever since then I've kept a zero balance there.

Not trying to derail this into a discussion about the merits of anarcho-capitalism // strong Libertarianism , but lawsuits and arbitration are about the only remedies one has in such a system. They could be used quite often.

I don't know what the contract stated, but there is definitely some basis for claiming negligence on MyBitcoin's part. But not likely because of where it is located as mentioned.

There is only two critical temperature for water (with normal atmospheric pressure) 100C and 0C.
So fresh and hot tea or coffee always less than 100C (85-90C).
Apparently other restaurants serving cold slush, saying that it is a good coffee?

Stereo-typing, yep... looks like Americans should be under the slogan: «Born to sue something»
It apparently is their immediate response to anything: Sue it! Then just get an ambulance chaser and a bunch of wackos they call "jury" to do the rest of the job. Whatever, they're happy that way...

McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable).  a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

And you go sue someone over that?! A machine malfunction? Or expect the employee to have a thermometer with him?!  :o

Well, one time I was talking with an American friend about those insane lawsuits. She told me her friend just had won 7000 USD out of a lawsuit against her neighbor. She sued the neighbor because the guy was fixing his roof and felt to her yard, breaking a glass and scared her cat.
Somehow I ended up with the feeling that US isn't in Earth, as by here when we see a neighbor down on our yard we call an ambulance, not a lawyer. But whatever, as long as it works for you...  ::)

1. She spilled the coffee on herself = her fault
2. She spilled the coffee on herself = her fault
3. They spilled the coffee on themselves = their fault

Some people now request their coffee to be 200F+.  Coffee stands willing to serve coffee at this temp typically require a signed waiver from the customer.

not a malfunction.  they deliberately had it set that way.

https://i.imgur.com/INIKw.jpg

You put the balm on? Who told you to put the balm on? I didn't tell you to put the balm on. Why'd you put the balm on?


Yes, because hotter coffee holds fresher for longer

So what?!
If wait a few minutes the coffee will cool down not get hotter and if you wait even longer you'll get cold coffee.
Would be much worse if they serve cold coffee, as unlike hot coffee, cold coffee doesn't get warmer on its own.

The speed in which all of you stanch libertarians turned into crybaby nannystate teat-suckers is pretty hilarious.  

Next up: Lawsuit because someone didn't wipe your ass for you.

Libertarians believe in the legal system, and that you can sue for property.

There was no warranty and every loss was caused by user negligence.  So tell me again how your government is going to save you from the free market?

Just like the temperature guidelines for cooking meat, the serving temperature recommendations for coffee are set at a level so as not create a potentially dangerous situation when taking human error and calibration in to the equation.

The USDA recommends an internal temperature of 145F for medium rare steak.  A cooked to internal temperature of 145 for medium rare steak.  True medium rare is 125F with a 5 minute rest.

145F with a rest is basically medium well.

By serving you shoe leather and cold coffee the restaurant is avoiding potential lawsuits.

This is indeed a conspiracy for have McDonalds to accept bitcoin  ;)

I deleted this comment.  It's not relevant.

wrong.  hot coffee evaporates faster, losing much of it's flavour and becoming bitter.

the best way to store coffee is cold (single-digit degrees, like in a refrigerator), then heat it up to drinking temperature immediately before drinking it.

From https://www.mybitcoin.com/contact-us.php :

MyBitcoin LLC
Main Street, Box 556
Charlestown
Nevis, West Indies

So good luck with suing them! You will need it.


So let me get this straight:

1) There were no security problems at mybitcoin.com
2) mtgox was cracked
3) Some users were so f***ing stupid to use the same username and password on both sites

And you claim 3) is the fault of mybitcoin.com? I don't see any reason why they should reset any passwords due to the Mt. Gox issue. To be honest, as a user of Mt. Gox I was really annoyed that I had to reset my password at some other sites, just because some users were too stupid to take minimal security precautions.

Being just stupid is one thing, suing others for your own stupidness is another thing - and not acceptable to me.

Does 80C coffee freeze faster than 70C coffee?  That is really the only question left at this point

It does but I forgot why.

Glad to know I'm not the only freak who takes his coffee seriously. Tell me when there's a club available for me to join! :D

@randomguy7,

Coffee doesn't, water does, so the water part of the coffee freezes faster from 80ºC than 70ºC not the coffee.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/hot_water.html

Follow up in water: Why do we say something as foolish as "water pressure" when water can't be pressurized?
Coming up: Theories about the sugar / Best ways to deal with coffee grains / Can a trading coffee for bitcoins exchange market overtake mtgox?

A few additional points worth noting, all of which point towards corporate arrogance, intransigence and a general lack of responsibility:

(1) The victim in question suffered third-degree burns from 6 to 16% (am seeing conflicting reports here) of her body, including her genital area. She had to be hospitalized for eight days. She required extensive skin grafts and was permanently scarred.

(2) At the time, McDonalds’ corporate specifications explicitly called for coffee to be served at a temperature between 180 and 190 degrees Fahrenheit. An expert witness testified that liquids at this temperature will cause third degree burns of human skin in two to seven seconds.

(3) During discovery, McDonald’s was required to produce corporate documents of similar cases. More than 700 claims had been made against McDonald’s, and many of the victims had suffered third-degree burns similar to the victim in question. Yet the company had refused to change its policy.

Water cannot be compressed (at least, in any amount that matters), but it CAN be pressurized.  It just needs a compressed gas or gravity to pressurize it.

vBulletin has an "Ignore User" button that works well. The previous version of vBulletin had an "Ignore Thread" hack that was installed to a favourite forum of mine and I found it *wonderful*.

I don't know what is available for Simple Machines Forum software. Might be worth investigating. :)

I think smf allow for edits.  You think with so many coders in the community this forum would be jacked up and customized to all hell by now lol

Not to mention "Introduce yourself :)" and "List of honest traders."

Since a lot of people are subscribed here and may or may not use MyBitCoin, may I ask the users who do to check this out http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=29055.0 which this thread was partly an inspiration for, even with it's age.