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I personally think that letting the value of a coin fall below the ICO price is a big problem in a ICO. developers should do something about it they always reason that it is because of bounty hunters dumping their coin but for me that isn't a good excuse especially for the investors.

For me The value of a coin or a token is a developer's responsibility, they should do anything to maintain the the price close or even above to ICO price,  because this will be a factor for the investors to get tired in investing they would rather prefer to invest after ICO when the price drastically falls down.

Dev's should place a buy wall when the value of  their token falls 25%-30% of the ICO price in that case the value of the token will be maintained or even go up and they will attract more investors in their project if they will do that.

This is only my opinion, correct me if im wrong. Whether you agree or disagree i would love to hear your thoughts and opinions about this matter.

You are right if we are talking about work ethics but when it comes to business devs doesn't care if you profit or not.They only want to collect the money they need an work on their project ( or act like working on a project while going to hawaii with a ferrari).I don't think that they will bother themself with manipulating their token prices.

I don't think you are wrong... no one is wrong in this scene. But you have to understand that price of tokens or alts is purely what the market deems it to be. If you think about it, true development should not focus on price control but on the project. Investors should realise that ICO = guaranteed profit. Price is NOT a concern of developers and should not be. You are talking about manipulation of market by creators, which means the alt won't be decentralised.

But the good point is from bounty hunters. ICOs shouldn't give bounties, or not too much. Less than 1% in my opinion.

In the first place, participating in a ico with big amounts of money is very risky and the ico concept is not so good, however I think falling below the ico price is normal as a lot of things can happen in a project that cause price to crash below ico price.

http://www.viberate.io  ICO  will be rebuying their tokens on exchanges and with that model price will go  up  without hype  and they will catch dumps

So this is really good investment

There are only small percent of bounty is given for bounty hunters ,  it's not normal to blame those bounty hunters , all of the developer need to work for this coin if they want it to be successful. I already see many ICO that the price increase after the ICO finish . If you see the coin below the ICO price It simply means that this coin does not go any where  just leave the coin as fast as you can.

I dont think devs do anything in that one. Its not like dev wants to let the price go down. Nobody will actually but its the investors or those greedy person who want to jave benefit from high prices after ICO. They will sell it right away when the exchangers open the portal for that particulare ICO token sell. This is what causes the actual downward movement of the token value.

There are however no ways that devs can control this. On the hard side they can disable the sell button and let the token go into maintenance mode since in that specifoc period neither people can but it or sell it. But again disadvantage of no buying policy will restrict thr price of tokens moving upwards. So its bit complicated and may be people like it that way. They can have big profits.

Thats true, eve Dev can't guarantee price will double when exchanges open it.
but since there is cant handle in control of market, so its could be high risk investment.

Thanks, but i think putting a buy wall if the price of the coin is down cannot make the coin not decentralized. Lets say for example you have 100 btc then you pump the coin, whales manipulate the market, majority of the alts are manipulated some is pumped some is dumped, but still we call them decentralized,

What i am really pointing is if devs really care for the project he must not let the value of his token or coin fallbelow its real price, they must do something immediately (putting a buy wall is just one) to make his project rise again.

 

For me problem with ICOs is must making analisys fundamental of the ICOs projects, it needs long time before i make investing into ICOs because many scam ICOs out there, i must search the ICOs projects that has real business, has comunity of the ICOs projects, developer of ICOs that has knowledge about their projects and the ICOs can be applied to real life many people know about this business.

did you find an a solution ?

I do really get your point on which its really actually true, i can see that this thing would really be a problem for those developers out there when they do decide to make ICO. Bounty hunters would really dump their coins once they do recieve it which means investors would definitely not like to see that the price would be lesser on the price that they do bought the coin which would really somehow give them hindrance or doubts on investing on other ICO as well.

It is important that not all projects have the support of the inside, the important thing here is that the psychology of investors is too scared when bounty hunter sell their own reward in the bounty campaign.
And this makes some people too scared and sell off. I also got involved in such psychology when I first invested in the ICO project. The price drop when the ICO just finished is a very normal thing.

I totally Agree with you, It is their responsiblility unless they only run their ICO and after collecting they leave their project.
Putting a buy wall isn't necessary thing as always because it will only create a dump of buy wall unless they will smartly use some buy walls in a good price range to make the price more grow it is on timing.  If you know how stratis dev done to their coin is totally impressing imangine how much yhey started and now the price is at good price.

There is no way they can maintain the price because they will only be able to do their own development and cannot control what is happening in the market because its a free market. What matter most is how they pay to their investors Return on Investment on those who hold which does not in any way affects the price on the market. Just like stock of most companies on the stock market, majority of them have gone below the price at which it was offered for sale and no sign of recovery but the business is still waxing stronger and turning out dividend for their shareholders.

They should just cut the bounties instead and pay the participants with bitcoins.This looks difficult in the beginning but after the ICO is over,coin will actually have a real value instead of bounty whores dumping it all over the trading exchanges.
 
Developer can't do much but develop the idea.Promotion and marketing also plays a key role in a successful launch of a coin.

If the price of a coin fall below the ico price maybe it may not deserve ico price? I think buy wall that represents total amount of bounty reward should be placed in exchanges after ico.

It is one of the risk you have to take as an investor. Most of the time, tokens are over priced at ico point, then it will drop when it hits the market. But if you invested on the right coin, one with actual use, then the price will recover over time.

Yes i agree with you, we must invest on the right ICOs projects, before making investment on the ICOs we must learn more about the projects of the ICOs, we need data about the projects ICOs, are the ICOs will used on real business, entertainment or other funtions in the future? Are the ICOs has numbers of comunity that take the beneficial of the projects? The factors of fundamental must be learned carefully.

Tokens are always the cheapest in the first sell of the ICO.If chosen wisely this may turn out to be a great decision if the coin is worth investing and ICO doesn't turn into a scam before the second week.

That shows the coin is trash and people don't see a future in it,either technically or financially.Most of the alt-coins fit into this category.

It should be noted that developers very sometimes don't have access to their token funds until they make a certain feature or until a certain period of time passes.

Immediate dump of tokens post ICO is really the issue faced by every project here. I think only way to remove this dumping is by offering bounty in BTC.

So projects need to raise their standards first and offer BTC for bounties.

Offering bounty in BTC should be a rule of thumb for this forum, projects which don't follow should be removed.
This will ensure higher rewards for bounty hunters and as well as remove the dumping issue for early investors in project. A win win situation I would say :)

Max percent of bounty is given for bounty hunters participants in ICO is 0.1% . how this percent of bounty can be reason of coin dump. the developer are the main reason of coin fall

Do developers have access to their coins from the 1st day after the ICO? I thought they had them locked for sometime.

My biggest problem with ICO is the project. When the project is long term project, THe coin will dump then after the ICO ends. Sometimes, at the first month The price rises but after that down. The token holders seem to sell all their possesion because no project that can mantain the price of coin. When the project is running together with the releasing the coin in the exchanger there will be high supply and demand. That's will make the coin stable and jump again.

Which then leads me to conclude that it is the project that determines everything, the fate of the coin and its price. If the project will kick hard right from the get-go then there is no problem with the coin's value. It will rise for sure.

Well, the best way to minimize risk is to invest in operating business instead of white paper stage :)

I think that a lot of ICO's are incredibly hyped, and that the sheer volume of ICO's hitting the market are diluting the value of all the crypto's. While a lot of money is going into crypto, there is so much competition for all that money also....>1000 crypto tradable assets exist, each additional one added further dilutes the amount of market share available for each crypto.

It takes a lot of research to really determine if something is worth its value or not.

Future projects might face a further problem if more people think like I do in the meantime. There are 2-3 projects I'm interested in but I won't invest during their ICOs, but wait until coins can be bought much cheaper. I agree, projects should rise their standard and do sth against dumping, otherwise some projects might not get enough investors in their ICO phase.

Yeah, dumping is predictable for ICOs which are not backed up by anything and coins are much cheaper on exchanges after completion.

there is nothing to do with that because most of investors do not care about the project. The only thing the care about is to make money with ICOs and sell all the tokens they have when they reach the good price. There are not many true investors invest their money in ICOs and cause of that reasons, most of the tokens have been dumped a lot after they are listed on an exchange.

This happens because of asset is backed up by nothing so the token value can't grow with each new achievement of business.

Well, in recently most ICO are dumped to lowest price after listed exchange, some example I know in few months ago until today: Monaco breakdown change -50% the price ICO still in low price in today and can't recovery; Bitquence breakdown to @300 sat for each (@3000 sat is the price ICO), however it recovery very fast and pump x2 the price ICO ...
So I think buying token ICO before listed exchange in current worse than buy token after listed exchange and dumped ;D

It really depends on what functionality the tokens have within the system and how well the internal economics are set up. If you artificially set up the price which is higher than the value of your tokens, they would inevitably go down, that's normal. In my opinion, developers have to make sure that their project makes sense in itself and works well in terms of functionality and the rest will come.

In my experience, 99% of ICO/altcoins fail in the first month.
As soon as they are on the market for trading they get dumped and price drops hard.
Think about it, lots of people who got them free do not want to use the service for which they are intended.
With that said, it is inevitable that the price will always go down in the beginning.

basically why someone would invest in an ico if they can buy it cheaper when it is listed in an exchange? see that should be resolve in every ico, but not all ico coins fall after ico some of them are rising the reason is because they have good support and they value the trust of their investors.

Viberate is an amazing idea, and ICO the right way to growing it up. Cheers!

You mean after joining the ICOs, you will never lose your money .It's impossible , it is against the invest rules.
What you think can never come true , no matter in crypto world or in real life.

you can't buy it cheaper when listed on exchange because the value can't go under the pre ico price, only a moron would sell under that price, or maybe he would sell because he think the ico coin is dying or something

I do get your point regarding the "devs shouldn't let the coin's price fall below the ICO price" but realistically, they don't have any control over that. Yes, they can put buy walls to prevent it but that will not promote natural growth for the coin and we don't want that. Devs should only focus to their tasks, and that is to develop the project. Let them follow the roadmap that they presented during their ICO phase and the increase in price will just follow.

In my opinion devs have to concentrate on the Project and on the development.
In fact if a real and valid product is launched, then price will go up for sure.

Of course investors firstly should look at the project itself, the initial price and analyze it.