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Title: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: madmadmax on May 17, 2013, 07:20:00 PM It's not that I'm a miser that likes papers with heads of dead presidents, I would gladly pay if I knew that the funds were flowing towards education, health care systems, bettering the infrastructure for the future generations or even supporting the weaker demographic, but it's not, all of that money goes to killing people, killing babies, making peoples lives miserable and generally supporting an Orwellian-totalitarian state while waging war across the globe to support the corporations, the greedy military industrial complex selling weapons to both sides through it's freelancers etc.
Do you think Bitcoin will change that? Will it put the governments on a diet? Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: tutkarz on May 17, 2013, 07:22:53 PM people have to mature first. But maybe bitcoin will help us in that process.
Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: acoindr on May 17, 2013, 07:34:02 PM Do you think Bitcoin will change that? Will it put the governments on a diet? Yes. The system is all messed up because banks and government are in bed together. They scratch each other's back. Government ensures people use bank fiat money through legal tender laws, and banks ensure governments have plenty of money to grow on. Meanwhile the little guy, ordinary people, just have to bend over and take it. What else can they do? Bitcoin will change that because people can cut banks and governments out of the picture. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: marcus_of_augustus on May 18, 2013, 05:17:48 AM Quote The system is all messed up because banks and government are in bed together. They scratch each other's back. Ummm, it has gone well beyond to a level much more extreme than a little bit of mutual back-scratching ... ... I think there is biblical quote that has the correct metaphor, indicating it is not a new phenomena or an unforeseen outcome when kings worship and fornicate with mammon Quote One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.” 3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth. 6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. .... 15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. 18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.” Govt. beholden to the banksters, (bailing out criminality and corruption with taxes on the wealth of nations, succumbing to threats of destroying the financial system without more money for bonuses, etc, etc, ... the usurpations are now endless) is metaphorically equivalent to .... "kings of the Earth fornicating with the beast" Enshrining in natural Law the separation of money and state (as we strive for with religion and state) is the only way to avoid such an outcome again ... in a future enlightened world. ;) Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 18, 2013, 05:55:26 AM It's not that I'm a miser that likes papers with heads of dead presidents, I would gladly pay if I knew that the funds were flowing towards education, health care systems, bettering the infrastructure for the future generations or even supporting the weaker demographic, but it's not, all of that money goes to killing people, killing babies, making peoples lives miserable and generally supporting an Orwellian-totalitarian state while waging war across the globe to support the corporations, the greedy military industrial complex selling weapons to both sides through it's freelancers etc. I certainly hope so. It should help, at least.Do you think Bitcoin will change that? Will it put the governments on a diet? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l_oimguMFVA/UZaQe0ATo6I/AAAAAAAABxk/_m7ixkxuqaY/w916-h555-no/548345_10151645360250351_2041941667_n%255B1%255D.jpg Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Wilikon on May 18, 2013, 03:08:50 PM It's not that I'm a miser that likes papers with heads of dead presidents, I would gladly pay if I knew that the funds were flowing towards education, health care systems, bettering the infrastructure for the future generations or even supporting the weaker demographic, but it's not, all of that money goes to killing people, killing babies, making peoples lives miserable and generally supporting an Orwellian-totalitarian state while waging war across the globe to support the corporations, the greedy military industrial complex selling weapons to both sides through it's freelancers etc. Do you think Bitcoin will change that? Will it put the governments on a diet? Make sure there is no one called Lois Lerner on the Bitcoin Tax Agency first. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: madmadmax on May 18, 2013, 11:57:22 PM 15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. 18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.” Govt. beholden to the banksters, (bailing out criminality and corruption with taxes on the wealth of nations, succumbing to threats of destroying the financial system without more money for bonuses, etc, etc, ... the usurpations are now endless) is metaphorically equivalent to .... "kings of the Earth fornicating with the beast" Enshrining in natural Law the separation of money and state (as we strive for with religion and state) is the only way to avoid such an outcome again ... in a future enlightened world. ;) Whore Of Babylon should be synonymous with central banks. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Elwar on May 19, 2013, 05:00:54 AM How do I deal with it?
I went from "screw you, you can't have it" (followed by threats) to...I'll work within the system with other like minded people to get the laws changed (come to find out, a majority of Americans are big supporters of taxes) to...time to work toward an alternative Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: madmadmax on May 19, 2013, 10:39:55 AM How do I deal with it? I went from "screw you, you can't have it" (followed by threats) to...I'll work within the system with other like minded people to get the laws changed (come to find out, a majority of Americans are big supporters of taxes) to...time to work toward an alternative That's exactly the problem, most people are stupid. I've actually heard from people that claim they want a program to educate parents on how to parent before they have children and make that mandatory, it's like if you want to enforce stupid, idiotic, moronic laws, do it out of your own salary. If you have a family member who is so out of control that the police have to be on him 24/7 to watch over him so he doesn't acquire drugs or alcohol hire them privately, don't vote for a babysitting country. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: mmeijeri on May 19, 2013, 10:46:08 AM Meanwhile the little guy, ordinary people, just have to bend over and take it. What else can they do? Governments are elected by the people, and government spending buys votes. A lot of people profit from the system, including many of the little guys. In essence, at least part of it is organised, legalised theft on a large scale. It's not just the government and the banks, large sections of the population are complicit. As Erik Voorhees puts it so nicely: democracy is the original 51% attack. Will Bitcoin put an end to this? Almost certainly not. What it could do, is to make it more difficult for governments to collect income tax and especially to print money. They'll be able to make up for some of that through other taxes, but not all of it. So I think Bitcoin will help a bit, but only time will tell how much. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Zaih on May 19, 2013, 10:57:27 AM Australia recently announced its budget for this year and I was quite pleased.
I guess you don't hear about a lot of other stuff. To answer your question, I don't really feel much. I honestly don't mind doing so, I believe in having an obligation to paying your country in return for the high living standards we receive. At the end of the day, they can spend it on what they want. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: justusranvier on May 19, 2013, 02:19:04 PM Governments are elected by the people, and government spending buys votes. A lot of people profit from the system, including many of the little guys. In essence, at least part of it is organised, legalised theft on a large scale. It's not just the government and the banks, large sections of the population are complicit. Government is the war of all against all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes#Leviathan) that it pretends to be protecting us from.Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 19, 2013, 02:33:20 PM To answer your question, I don't really feel much. I honestly don't mind doing so, I believe in having an obligation to paying your country in return for the high living standards we receive. At the end of the day, they can spend it on what they want. Easy enough for you to say, Australia's #13 in military expenditures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures). Most of your money actually goes to your country's upkeep. Most of ours goes to blowing up bridges (and then rebuilding them) on the other side of the planet, while our bridges rot out from underneath us. To say nothing of the human cost. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: ktttn on May 19, 2013, 03:02:38 PM I for one decided a few years back to experiment with opting out of the whole scheme. The idea of seeing human beings as walking dollar signs makes me ill. This has caused several things to happen. General bum type things, mostly- chronic homelessness, incredulous stares, that sort of thing. Freeganism prohibits me from ever touching or spending federal reserve notes, especially on the uselesa consumer goods you can get for free if you try. I cannot and will not pay taxes because I have no dollars, and no desire to feed the giant blind eating machine we call the state.
Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 19, 2013, 03:05:10 PM Freeganism prohibits me from ever touching or spending federal reserve notes, especially on the uselesa consumer goods you can get for free if you try. By that, I assume you mean the smartphone you're using right now? You didn't get that for free, you bought it with a pretty pebble.Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Ekaros on May 19, 2013, 03:35:35 PM To answer your question, I don't really feel much. I honestly don't mind doing so, I believe in having an obligation to paying your country in return for the high living standards we receive. At the end of the day, they can spend it on what they want. Easy enough for you to say, Australia's #13 in military expenditures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures). Most of your money actually goes to your country's upkeep. Most of ours goes to blowing up bridges (and then rebuilding them) on the other side of the planet, while our bridges rot out from underneath us. To say nothing of the human cost. I don't pay taxes... I'm net receiver... Though I think they are somewhat acceptable for what we get for them. The defence spending is around 6%, which isn't horrid considering we have around 1340km of border with Russia... Not that I believe we are in any way high priority target for them. Not that I fully agree on spending money on saving Euro... And private bankers of Germany and France... That is a waste. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 19, 2013, 03:46:03 PM To answer your question, I don't really feel much. I honestly don't mind doing so, I believe in having an obligation to paying your country in return for the high living standards we receive. At the end of the day, they can spend it on what they want. Easy enough for you to say, Australia's #13 in military expenditures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures). Most of your money actually goes to your country's upkeep. Most of ours goes to blowing up bridges (and then rebuilding them) on the other side of the planet, while our bridges rot out from underneath us. To say nothing of the human cost. I don't pay taxes... I'm net receiver... Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: ktttn on May 19, 2013, 04:46:41 PM Freeganism prohibits me from ever touching or spending federal reserve notes, especially on the uselesa consumer goods you can get for free if you try. By that, I assume you mean the smartphone you're using right now? You didn't get that for free, you bought it with a pretty pebble.It was less that I bought, and more like a gift, then I gifted the rock as a thank you. The interesting thing about the gift economy is that it works on the principle of consent, satisfaction and reciprocity rather than the far less materially effective "gimmie or Ill shoot you unless you go to jail" tactics coupled with refund incentives currently used by the IRS. ALSO, I admire you, that armed cat in yer picture, your writing style, dedication, and top tier bar none nextlevel trollskillz. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 19, 2013, 04:55:48 PM Freeganism prohibits me from ever touching or spending federal reserve notes, especially on the uselesa consumer goods you can get for free if you try. By that, I assume you mean the smartphone you're using right now? You didn't get that for free, you bought it with a pretty pebble.It was less that I bought, and more like a gift, then I gifted the rock as a thank you. The interesting thing about the gift economy is that it works on the principle of consent, satisfaction and reciprocity As does capitalism. Free trade.Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Mike Christ on May 19, 2013, 05:03:50 PM Quote One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.” 3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth. 6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. .... 15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. 18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.” This is why I love Bible stories; they're so damn interesting! The writers often tell them in such ways that makes you want to read more and then try to interpret the symbolic relationships of each character, that same way The Divine Comedy works, where it's commanding and straight-forward yet makes you scratch your head and wonder what they're really trying to say. Anyway, yeah, taxes suck. I will acknowledge no government which forces the people it services into paying for said services. As far as I care, that's a mafia, not a respectable business. I would gladly pay for protection if I could punish my protectors for not doing as I want them to do (of course, by refusing their service; I would then have the REAL power of voting, opposed to the rigged voting system of right now.) Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Severian on May 19, 2013, 05:22:15 PM Do you think Bitcoin will change that? Will it put the governments on a diet? No, but it will allow people the flexibility to opt out of various government confiscation schemes. Also, my favorite quote in the Bible, since we're doing literary references: "It is time to destroy all who have caused destruction on the earth." Rev 11:18 Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: ktttn on May 19, 2013, 05:25:39 PM Freeganism prohibits me from ever touching or spending federal reserve notes, especially on the uselesa consumer goods you can get for free if you try. By that, I assume you mean the smartphone you're using right now? You didn't get that for free, you bought it with a pretty pebble.It was less that I bought, and more like a gift, then I gifted the rock as a thank you. The interesting thing about the gift economy is that it works on the principle of consent, satisfaction and reciprocity As does capitalism. Free trade.Capital is accumulated wealth. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. The ideology that accumulating limitless personal wealth is the goal of trade is an ideology that is to blame for more than a few really bad things, namely the disparity between the elite and the rest of the earth- enforced by institutional violence, supported by taxes. The sum history of capitalism is the history of a group of men building a new mechanism to oppress and use to death, millions of real people by taking advantage of the fall of serfdom to convince folks that its possible to buy their priceless and irredeemable time and labor in exchange for wages. /anticapitalism micro-rant. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Severian on May 19, 2013, 05:26:09 PM I believe in having an obligation to paying your country in return for the high living standards we receive. At the end of the day, they can spend it on what they want. You are in error. We're obligated to contribute to the society we live in. We're not obligated to support the government we live under. People committing the logical error of confusing "society" for "government" is a cause of much of the chaos and strife caused by government. Society is consent, government is coercion. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Severian on May 19, 2013, 05:31:44 PM The sum history of capitalism is the history of a group of men building a new mechanism to oppress and use to death That's the history of the State, not of free enterprise. The State is the tool used by capitalists and communists (and other window dressing terms) as the means to oppress and kill the rest of us. Please don't confuse free enterprise and human ingenuity with the oppressive ends of the State. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 19, 2013, 05:34:55 PM The interesting thing about the gift economy is that it works on the principle of consent, satisfaction and reciprocity As does capitalism. Free trade.Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: ktttn on May 19, 2013, 06:48:14 PM The sum history of capitalism is the history of a group of men building a new mechanism to oppress and use to death That's the history of the State, not of free enterprise. The State is the tool used by capitalists and communists (and other window dressing terms) as the means to oppress and kill the rest of us. Please don't confuse free enterprise and human ingenuity with the oppressive ends of the State. Totally agreed. Semantics and the language of words is relative. Free enterprise decoupled from state protection is another term for human ingenuity. Capitalism proper requires that masses of people are physically kept by the threat of tax funded violence out of control of the means of production. Statism both complicates in terms of legislation and allows for capitalists to centralize ower into their own hands. Pardon the seemingly communist rhetoric. Anarchists used those terms too. State Communism in practice is an even more violent evolution of capitalism. With bitcoin, the means of production is anyone, by hook or crook, able to get their hands on a mineworthy computer. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 19, 2013, 06:57:41 PM Capitalism proper requires that masses of people are physically kept by the threat of tax funded violence out of control of the means of production. Wut?Quote Capitalism is defined as a social and economic system where capital assets are owned and controlled by private persons, where labor is purchased for money wages, capital gains accrue to private owners, and the price mechanism is utilized to allocate capital goods between uses. No mention of "tax-funded violence." In fact, it seems that your definition of capitalism is actually socialism:Quote Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. "Social ownership," as in, the State.Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Malawi on May 19, 2013, 07:30:17 PM Ah - How I'd like to have a black/white worldview. Less thinking less strife.
Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Severian on May 19, 2013, 07:54:11 PM Ah - How I'd like to have a black/white worldview. Less thinking less strife. If one is in favor of coercion, the world needs to be gray in order to accommodate the opinion. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: ktttn on May 19, 2013, 09:56:42 PM Capitalism proper requires that masses of people are physically kept by the threat of tax funded violence out of control of the means of production. Wut?Quote Capitalism is defined as a social and economic system where capital assets are owned and controlled by private persons, where labor is purchased for money wages, capital gains accrue to private owners, and the price mechanism is utilized to allocate capital goods between uses. No mention of "tax-funded violence." In fact, it seems that your definition of capitalism is actually socialism:Quote Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. "Social ownership," as in, the State.Attempt to overthrow a slaveowning profiteer? Millitary bloodbath. Strikes? Picket lines? More riot cops or at least arrests and brutality. Protesting company policy? Hundreds of riot cops. Your source is biased and wrong imo. Ever been on the wrong side of a line of riot cops? Ever talk to the Chief executive officer of exxon or shell, monsanto or any not hypothetical capitalist? Are you a 'sucessful' capitalist? Have you ever lived on or under the wages capitalists enforce? Am I derailing the thread, or being antagonized? Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: CryptoJunky on May 19, 2013, 10:11:27 PM Let's talk Bitcoin had a pretty good segment about this in episode 8. While Bitcoin isn't entirely anonymous, at the moment it can be tough to tie specific addresses to specific people. I've heard some people argue that mining could be considered earned income and should be accounted for as such, and that appreciation of Bitcoin versus fiat should be declared as capital gains.
It's still a grey area at the moment though. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: mmeijeri on May 19, 2013, 10:19:13 PM Factory takeover? Riot cops. A factory takeover involves violence or the threat of violence. In France today it sometimes even involves taking the management hostage. It is totally justifiable to resist that violence, the occupiers are the initiators of coercion. Quote Attempt to overthrow a slaveowning profiteer? Millitary bloodbath. Slave ownership is clearly coercion and it is clearly right to resist it. Quote Strikes? Picket lines? More riot cops or at least arrests and brutality. Strikes mean breaking a contractual promise. As a contractor, you wouldn't get away with it. People should be free not to extend their contracts, or terminate them with due notice if that's what's agreed in their contracts, but not to strike and break their contracts. Similarly, companies should be free to fire those who strike, evict them from the premises, and to hire strike breakers. Those who go on strike initiate the violence. Picket lines are meant to intimidate fellow workers and management and involve barely hidden threats of violence. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Malawi on May 19, 2013, 11:28:22 PM Ah - How I'd like to have a black/white worldview. Less thinking less strife. If one is in favor of coercion, the world needs to be gray in order to accommodate the opinion. In many nuances though ;-) Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Elwar on May 20, 2013, 12:25:52 AM Capital is accumulated wealth. If you cut my grass and I promise you a meal that weekend as a thank you for a good job, you have just accumulated wealth. It is mutual consent. If you cut 7 lawns and have a meal each day the next week you have accumulated wealth. If instead of the promise of a meal, I give you money that is the equivalent of a meal which you then hold onto until you are hungry, you have just accumulated wealth. It is the same thing. The voluntary exchange of goods and services. If you have accumulated knowledge and are the only person in the city that knows how to fix my car I choose between having no car or rewarding you properly for fixing it. I promise 1 meal a week for a month (or the equivalent monetary value). If I have a computer system that needs someone to fix the database and you have accumulated enough knowledge to the point where you can fix it, I decide whether or not to have a broken computer system or reward you properly for fixing it. I promise 1 meal a week for a year in exchange for a week of your time dedicated to fixing it. Or more simply, I pay you enough money to afford 1 meal a week for a year. That is accumulated wealth. All of these instances rely upon consent between the two individuals. If you do not want to do it, then you do not have to. If I do not want you to do the job, I do not have to ask you to do it. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 20, 2013, 01:18:23 AM Factory takeover? Riot cops. You mean the attempted armed robbery, and possible murder of a factory owner?Attempt to overthrow a slaveowning profiteer? Millitary bloodbath. People are not property. We're on the same side here.Strikes? Picket lines? More riot cops or at least arrests and brutality. Not without a State. I wouldn't try to violently stop any strike-breakers, though. Protesting company policy? Hundreds of riot cops. Not without a State.Your source is biased and wrong imo. There's no chance in hell you've read Man, Economy, and State in the time since I gave you the link. I read Proudhon, and Marx. Least you could do is give Rothbard a shot.Ever been on the wrong side of a line of riot cops? AnCaps don't tend to get violent enough to bring out Riot cops. We do get arrested pretty frequently, though.Ever talk to the Chief executive officer of exxon or shell, monsanto or any not hypothetical capitalist? You're talking to one now.Are you a 'sucessful' capitalist? Have you ever lived on or under the wages capitalists enforce? In order: moderately, and yes. And they don't enforce those wages, sweetheart. That's the market. The only enforcement is the minimum wage. And that prices people out of the marketplace entirely.Now, I'm done derailing this thread. If you'd like an explanation of free-market capitalism, I will be glad to answer any questions you have, and explain that capitalism is not your enemy, and in fact, both you and I share the same enemy. In another thread. ;) Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: TimJBenham on May 20, 2013, 05:06:03 AM I don't pay taxes... I'm net receiver... Also known as a dependent slave. No wonder you're so pro-State.How do you know he is not an anarchist? if everyone was a net receiver the state would collapse. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 20, 2013, 05:35:18 AM I don't pay taxes... I'm net receiver... Also known as a dependent slave. No wonder you're so pro-State.Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: jjdub7 on May 20, 2013, 07:20:44 AM To answer your question, I don't really feel much. I honestly don't mind doing so, I believe in having an obligation to paying your country in return for the high living standards we receive. At the end of the day, they can spend it on what they want. Easy enough for you to say, Australia's #13 in military expenditures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures). Most of your money actually goes to your country's upkeep. Most of ours goes to blowing up bridges (and then rebuilding them) on the other side of the planet, while our bridges rot out from underneath us. To say nothing of the human cost. This hits the nail on the head. End of story. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: ktttn on May 20, 2013, 10:50:38 AM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210802.new#new (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210802.new#new)
Capitalism. (Please let this be the correct link...) :-[ Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: madmadmax on May 20, 2013, 10:00:56 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210802.new#new (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210802.new#new) Capitalism. (Please let this be the correct link...) :-[ Someone has opened a thread about my thread? I feel honored ;D Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Stampbit on May 21, 2013, 05:18:36 AM I deal with the thought about taxes by paying someone else to deal with the thought about taxes.
Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: merve10495 on May 21, 2013, 05:21:33 AM I don't know about you guys but in Australia the government has a program called eTax that I download and we just run it through that. Doesn't take me very long and I get a few bucks back at the end of it :)
Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: TimJBenham on May 25, 2013, 10:44:06 AM Quote How do you deal with the thought about taxes? Generally I smoke a joint and the thought goes away. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Biomech on May 25, 2013, 12:14:39 PM Quote How do you deal with the thought about taxes? Generally I smoke a joint and the thought goes away. And then they use your tax dollars to bust in your door, steal your dope, kidnap you, and ruin your life. The thought returns. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: madmadmax on May 25, 2013, 03:35:28 PM Quote How do you deal with the thought about taxes? Generally I smoke a joint and the thought goes away. And then they use your tax dollars to bust in your door, steal your dope, kidnap you, and ruin your life. The thought returns. My point exactly, Anarchism is atheism in regards to politics. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Biomech on May 25, 2013, 03:41:53 PM Quote How do you deal with the thought about taxes? Generally I smoke a joint and the thought goes away. And then they use your tax dollars to bust in your door, steal your dope, kidnap you, and ruin your life. The thought returns. My point exactly, Anarchism is atheism in regards to politics. Well put. As far as I am concerned, "Democracy" (deliberately capitalized) is just as much a religion as Catholocism, Islam, et. al. It requires belief in things that cannot be proven nor are properly subject to objective disproof, and it theorizes that all humans would run amok in the absence of a central authority, but that said central authority (being somehow superiour) will NOT run amok as long as those who would normally run amok have a say in putting them in power. And that's just ONE political system. Perhaps the worst, but only one. Interestingly, trying to actually understand religion (specifically Christianity) led me to be an atheist. Atheism requires a great deal of analysis to be anything but a knee-jerk reflex. That analysis also led me to anarchism. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: justusranvier on May 25, 2013, 03:43:01 PM Anarchism is atheism in regards to politics. Or you could just say that "anarchism is atheism". Worshipers of the State called their god "the common good" and refer to their prayers as "voting" but choosing different words to describe what they are doing doesn't make it any less of a religion.Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: madmadmax on May 25, 2013, 09:21:59 PM Anarchism is atheism in regards to politics. Or you could just say that "anarchism is atheism". Worshipers of the State called their god "the common good" and refer to their prayers as "voting" but choosing different words to describe what they are doing doesn't make it any less of a religion.It's quite hilarious how similar these systems are, e.g. Christians, Buddhists, Muslim, Hinduism all have even more groups within them, Protestant Christianity, Theravada Buddhism and hundreds of cults within every group, west baptist church etc. And what really boggles my mind is the fact that the vast majority of cults believe that their God is the only true God and everyone else should abandon their current lifestyle and adopt theirs instead, since they are the chosen people, their lifestyle is the ultimate lifestyle, their blood is worth more than others and so on. Just seems ridiculous to me. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: TimJBenham on May 26, 2013, 12:42:18 PM My point exactly, Anarchism is atheism in regards to politics. and Libertarianism is agnosticism. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Biomech on May 26, 2013, 07:13:32 PM My point exactly, Anarchism is atheism in regards to politics. and Libertarianism is agnosticism. Depends on how far you take it. The libertarian that follows the party, yeah. The Rothbardian or SEK3 version is most definitely anarchic. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 29, 2013, 06:58:43 AM As far as I am concerned, "Democracy" (deliberately capitalized) is just as much a religion as Catholocism, Islam, et. al. "Democracy is the worship of jackals by jackasses." - H. L. Mencken. Oh, and it's SEK3, btw. ;) (sorry, big fan of Konkin) Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Biomech on May 29, 2013, 07:10:30 AM As far as I am concerned, "Democracy" (deliberately capitalized) is just as much a religion as Catholocism, Islam, et. al. "Democracy is the worship of jackals by jackasses." - H. L. Mencken. Oh, and it's SEK3, btw. ;) (sorry, big fan of Konkin) pfft. I'll chalk that up to not enough coffee! Yeah, I definitely fall on the side of agorism. I liked Menken's other quote on that too. "Democracy is the notion that the people know what they want and deserve to get it. Good and hard." Will fix my post asap. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 29, 2013, 07:29:05 AM As far as I am concerned, "Democracy" (deliberately capitalized) is just as much a religion as Catholocism, Islam, et. al. "Democracy is the worship of jackals by jackasses." - H. L. Mencken. Oh, and it's SEK3, btw. ;) (sorry, big fan of Konkin) pfft. I'll chalk that up to not enough coffee! Yeah, I definitely fall on the side of agorism. I liked Menken's other quote on that too. "Democracy is the notion that the people know what they want and deserve to get it. Good and hard." Will fix my post asap. Mencken is one of my favorites. That particular one never fails to get a chuckle out of me. Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: TheGovernedSelf on May 29, 2013, 09:23:40 PM Quote How do you deal with the thought about taxes? Generally I smoke a joint and the thought goes away. And then they use your tax dollars to bust in your door, steal your dope, kidnap you, and ruin your life. The thought returns. My point exactly, Anarchism is atheism in regards to politics. Therefore syndicalism is agnosticism? Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: kodo on May 29, 2013, 10:09:01 PM We all hate taxes, but we understand why we must pay them
Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: myrkul on May 29, 2013, 10:12:48 PM We all hate taxes, but we understand why we must pay them Because if we don't, the IRS kicks down our doors and throws us in a cage.Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Biomech on May 30, 2013, 04:17:08 PM Quote How do you deal with the thought about taxes? Generally I smoke a joint and the thought goes away. And then they use your tax dollars to bust in your door, steal your dope, kidnap you, and ruin your life. The thought returns. My point exactly, Anarchism is atheism in regards to politics. Therefore syndicalism is agnosticism? Or mutualism :) +1 Title: Re: How do you deal with the thought about taxes Post by: Biomech on May 30, 2013, 04:19:35 PM We all hate taxes, but we understand why we must pay them Yes. Because there are people in other places that must be killed, maimed, and deprived of their property. This level of violence requires a great deal of funding. And if WE don't pay for it, who will? I mean you can't expect the politicians to actually do something PRODUCTIVE, that defeats the purpose of being an arrogant lazy fuck! The only reason I pay taxes is to keep the gun out of my face. They do nothing I approve of, nor do the bastards have anything I want. |
