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today I disposed around 0.0058 then I play 100 times and win 0.019, then I request to withdraw, after some time bitsler admin declin my withdraw and block my account.

my user id is:: palpara
 

I also mail to admin,( baryom.bitsler@gmail.com) but he reply as given below.

Hello,

The system has detected a faucet farm behavior and multi accounting.

You are not allowed to withdraw.

Keep in mind that Bitsler is a casino, you can use faucet to test the site or to play for fun, but playing only for free and try to make money from faucet is not the main idea.

Kind Regards,
Gustavo

(I have a question, why my deposit balace added in my bitsler account, and why I can refund my balance???))

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Update News

(Admin Refund balance in my account 0.01)

They will not decline and block any account without reasons, so there must be at least one reason why they block your account. They also will not risk their reputation for 0.019 only. Have you tried to pm Baryom about this issue?

Been playing Bitsler a long time and never had an issue with withdrawing my balance there. Better message the admin of Bitsler by using the Support in their site. Or wait for the admins to see your post here or email them. I had a problem with my account before and what i did was i just emailed the admins or the support and they were able to solve my case in 1 day.

I know that, bitsler is good, but all screen shot persent here, tomorrow I submitted here. thanks all.

Did you contact with support team? If you have any proofs add them to your first post.

Hello habijabi,

From what I can see about your case : "More than 2 accounts and some faucet farming tips with more than 15 withdrawals from faucet in the past". I will check it out.

Cheers,

Is faucet farming really such a big deal for casinos ? How much could they possibly lose I mean it's a faucet the amount of traffic you get from a faucet farmer should far outweigh the cost surely ?

Yes, it is a big deal.  Paying up to .5 Bitcoin a month to people that have zero interest in actually using your service is a huge bill to swallow.

Why add a faucet then?

I think the main purpose of the faucets are to test and see do you like the casino, UI, game speed and so on. And if you like it, to play with your own money there. Not to farm and withdraw. This is just abusing the system.

All these casinos provide this faucet money to try their games if you're not aware how the game works in the beginning and after you like the game then they expect you to play with your money. If everyone starts using only with faucet money then there is no meaning to run a casino right?

You need to understand that they are here to do a business and expect profit from their business. But Bitsler admin is more generous so he may give a warning and allow him to withdraw his funds for one final time.

Silly question,,,
Purpose of faucet : to let players try the game for free without any risk (new players) and to give a small reward for loyal players who have spent their money on the site. But many people try to abuse it for their own profit.

If it was only 0.5BTC a month then casinos wouldn't go thru this trouble and scanning transactions and freezing accounts.

Last I heard PrimeDice was losing something like 10 BTC a DAY! (This was when BTC was like $2000) due to faucet abuse. So you can see why its a big deal.

Not so silly. Usually casinos have "play money" games. But by adding a faucet, and taking into account the connotations of "free money" it has in the Bitcoin ecosystem, people may think it's okay to "farm casino faucets".

I do understand it. But what I don't understand is why they don't build a sustainable business model around it, if they're going to call it a "faucet", or use play money + player rewards to get the same effect and not lose money.

People do really think on different ways. Some may treat it as a try outing the game of the site but for some they would really see that they can make money out of it in the way on abusing it.Dumb thing to do for most of us but on some its a good way to make money.Thats how it works and in case of op if admins said that theres a case of abusing the faucet then its really a violation and admin would really have the rights to block or freeze account.

Like everyone said faucet is not for someone to abuse, it just for new member to test their site before make any deposit to their site. More over if I can say they should lowered the faucet or may be set limit for each day on each people depends on the level. This is the best option for noe due to the current price

You must have done something that goes against their site terms and conditions, and it seems that you have created multiple accounts on the site to abuse the faucet, that is why bitsler denied your withdrawals, bitsler have been a trusted casino that have been paying all their customer withdrawals for many years without any issue.

Looks like your problem is solved because you got atleast 0.01BTC in refund from admin. You can lock this thread now...

Bitsler is really good casino and they might be not making fake accusation for that low amount.

Give a limit for each day is a good idea but how if they create many account, that's will not give other problem too for dice game site. i think if the owner of dice site doesn't want faucet get abuse by the people, they must shut it down.

This is why instead of playing these games casinos should just PERMANENTLY remove the faucet.

They are wasting the gamblers time and energy into thinking he might actually win big from faucet and make a withdraw.

They are wasting the admin supports time in having to verify every withdraw.

How hard is to to add a fake BTC option to gamble and try out the site before making a deposit.


Casinos in Vegas don't give people free pennies and they don't have this issue.

That's a good idea having try outs must be observed prior putting up a deposit because we don't know yet what's the actual outcome by the time we are dong our bets. For me we can't rely on faucet because it's considered as freebies like thus of fiat gambling having some promos and offers, same as with online gambling. If you're they thought they've been cheated, well it's easy just email the admins supports for that so that you concerns will be attained. This forum can only give a certain advice but the recipient personally is the one needed to communicate for this concerns.

Never read their TOS, but they should state that the faucet is for "recreation purposes", or just for trying the games for free.
They could apply a rollover to the coins gained from faucet, or just informing users that they are not supposed to withdraw those coins. If they don't make that very clear, things like this will probably happen all the time, and it will be bad for the casino and the users as well.

I think there may be a mistake when you make a withdrawal or there may be certain things that make you a failure in withdrawal, to my knowledge Bitsler is a great site and there has been no fraud or cheating issues in it. Me and my friend are safe playing in bitsler.

Baryom already replied that he was using more than two accounts and some faucet farming tips so their system auto blocks this kind of account withdrawals. I don't think for these reasons any casinos will release the funds. Faucet money is only for playing games not for making a profit out of it.

This is a nice idea but there would be some disadvantage of it because not all faucet players are just those people who do make abuse of it because there would be cases that faucets would be the cause too to hooked up a potential regular player from their site but this is just for unusual cases because we all know that there are lots of faucet abusers than on potential players and also if you did put fake money i would say the interest on playing on the site would really be lessen for sure.

If the value of faucet remain the same no matter on what level she/he is, 200 satoshi for example, I bet the number of people who will wasting their time to get profit from faucet will be decreased.

Removing a faucet is a catch-22 though. While it may result in incremental loses it also drives traffic and helps establish a community. A bitcoin casino is nothing without a community.

I think it will not reduce because people who can reach higher level are mostly playing with their money, not from the faucet money. If they can ready to wager so many coins to reach those high levels will not abuse faucet money. The people who can't afford to spend money but still want to make money from gambling are the one abusing this faucet money.

It's a minimal amount of losses. Overall, the faucet hunters are taking in maybe 300 satoshi every time. That's nothing. As a whole, maybe it costs you $20/1000 people/day. The amount you get from the additional interest in users (who see the large traffic [despite it being mainly low-stakes gamblers] and thus have more faith in the casino) overcomes the cost of maintaining the faucet. It is only when you have a specific small demographic of users who are driving away at the faucet constantly to try and win the pittance of money for free (though it does add up eventually) that you want to bring an end to it. Thus capping the # of faucet claims is a reasonable solution.

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I was wondering if it would be possible to bring up an ad every time a user attempted to claim the faucet. This would both nullify the cost of the faucet and could allow users to continually use it.

High rank/rollers didn't use faucet for several times, It's just a penny compared on what they are risking. But I'm actually discouraged on what the admin of Bitsler reply. Claiming on faucet even for two accounts is not a big a deal for me. I mean it's amount is just minimal and it is very limited. I'm honestly own two accounts on bitsler but the other account is for my bank which I sometimes used to claim faucet and play when it is empty.

If the rule is in the TOS about claiming faucet using a two or more account or if there is a rule that accounts can be disabled anytime due to abuse/bitsler decision, then its a end story for the OP.
It's simple, like if you're in another house then you should follow their rules, you're the visitor and they are the owner. That's why there are some site that shows the TOS before completing the registration, that's the purpose of it.


Technically possible I think but the site owner would not like that even the users because of formality. It can also redirect a potential player to the site/product that the ad will show, so it means a decrease in profit. For example, I've seen a good deal on the ad and it's a limited edition one, instead for me to deposit & play with my money I'd rather buy that and play some another time. (Not really sure if this is a valid argument but there is a chance I think)

Do you mean that most of the abusers are those who have bigger faucet level? I dont think so, bigger faucet level=bigger bankroll players who are not really care about the faucet because they can easily play with their deposit money. Big bamkroll players wont waste their time to try to win from faucet.

But you cannot erase that scenario would possible to be happen since as you said there they had bigger faucet level that can claim huge to the normal levels and they can used it for certain abused for little while but this case is pretty rare since I'm sure that they will not waste their account to get banned since high bankroll player might surely got a reputation on the site where he played for.

0.01BTC is low amount.
do you withdraw it?

This is not true with faucets. Having a faucet doesn't really create profit if most people use it and abuse it. Yes its true that a site with a faucet can get more hits than a site without one. Primarily because you get to test out your method, the strategy, speeds, laggyness, etc and its easier than committing and having to make a first deposit just to test out the site.

However all this can be simply solved by demo BTC play money. Or if casinos simply used the BTC testnet for their faucets. However that is much more technical for most people.

From the start, most of the site already limit each account for their site. I believe all people already know this but they keep on doing it again. I do not understand why people keep on abusing faucet, this is not worth of your time. Let see it this way, A abuse it to get X amount and I do not think that they can easily withdrawn and some of the site even limit their member on particpating on their giveaway so I do not see why people are still abuse it anyway

Demo BTC money is not the same as real money. Gamblers that play with dust chase the idea of building into a solid bankroll which can be near impossible. It keeps them around and creates a community. People that use test funds are testing the functionality of a website to decide if they want to actively play on that site. They have two different uses, although the faucet could serve as both.

You need to stop looking at faucet players as bad for business. Faucet players are the product. They help establish trust, they fill chat rooms, they are often bumping your thread, they tell their friends, marginally increase volume, and if by any means they do get bitcoin they will likely place on your site first.

It is a different industry, but look at Facebook. Facebook provides a free product which costs them billions of dollars a year to maintain. There platform is designed to attract users and keep current users active. Why? Its because activity establishes community which in return allows them to sell advertisements. Users, whether they are power users or not are the product that Facebook sells.

I think they should remove the faucet and add the bonus on every level. as a regular player on bitsler I have seen everyone made 2 accounts and they get the faucet and when they reach 0.005 they tip this amount to other account. so they play like this and earn money from faucet. I think this is against the bitsler policy.

just like this.
https://i.imgur.com/aUbTovN.png

How can you that it has cheated you do you even have a proof against this website kindly share these proves that people will become a safe and protected from this website.

I don't think you understand him. he didn't say that bitsler is a scam. he didn't follow the rules that's why his with raw is declined and i think he didn't even know that he violate the rules.


you should first read the discussion before post a comment don't post spam-my comment.

They should never renove the faucet because they still need many people to try the site, new players sure need this faucet to try the site whether it is good or not. What do you mean by bonus? I do not think that bitsler got any bonus. To think that from faucet to get 0.005 btc is pretty hard to do since for the 1st tier the faucet amount is not that big. How much time do you need just to make 0.005 btc?

They have not cheated you, you are the one cheating them.

No matter how big a site is i really don't think that anyone is able to afford to just continue giving thousands of dollars in free money to players, especially when that player has multiple accounts tipping each other back and forth, as well as not depositing with any of his own money.

This is in bitsler's rules and when you claim the faucet, you agree with those rules. Otherwise, don't do it.

Nice to see baryom resolving this gracefully, though. I think the primary reason why they didn't withdraw your funds at the start is that they don't want to set an example for other faucet farmers, otherwise they would start being more ruthless. 0.01 BTC is probably nothing for bitsler.

It is almost impossible to reach the withdrawal limit from the faucet free money but if someone tries to cheat the system then they will get caught like this OP while withdrawing funds. Once they get caught cheating then their funds will be lost forever. No casino owners will release those funds and these guys lost so much time in trying to cheat the system.

i think they have a reasonable reason why they diclined your withrawal. im also player of bitsler. and ive done smooth withrawal. even my friend who wins 1btc she withraw it without any hassle. maybe you not follow some rules or maybe its about faucet farming. i hope your problem will be fix soo and still can get ur balance there. goodluck

Very disgusting behavior from the Bitsler side.
Unless they wrote before you started playing(that you can not withdraw funds that were earned through playing with bonus funds) they should let you withdraw.

They claim that you can not withdraw bonus funds, then why did they requested users to wager 100x of the bonus in order to withdraw?

How many times i would like to say that you need to mention the problem if you mention the problem and where did they cheat you then you can safe people if you are not then it will not work properly.

Hi,

You should understand/read the topic before answering.  ;D

The players didn't follow our basic rules : 2 accounts maximum by person/IP/family/household. He had more than 2 accounts and he used them to faucet farm. But because he was at first a deposit player, we have forgiven him and refund his balance and made him understand the rules.


You will never have any issues with us if you follow the rules. We are declining less than 1% of the daily withdrawals. Only the abusers are blocked and if you think that you aren't one of them and you are blocked, please contact our support  ;) Don't forget that we are providing one of the highest paying faucets that is currently available which does attract many abusers. That's why we have to make a lot of verifications.

Cheers,

I have to agree they can easily add a play money feature if they don't want people to profit off the faucet.

The entire appeal of a faucet that gives real money is that the money is real.
If the money can never be withdrawn then it is essentially play money and there tricking people into thinking there getting a faucet.

But for that, you need to prove that they are not paying you or allowing to withdraw money if you use faucet money. Becuase what I understood from above Brayam post is user did break their terms so they hold the payment. You can't create few accounts and move all your faucet amount to one account to withdraw money and for that, no casinos will allow.

I think what your casino and most other large casinos with a faucet need to do is put a HUGE BOLD DISCLAIMER warning about potential faucet abuse will lead to forfeit winnings. I think this would fix most of the issues that many sites are having.

I don't think a faucet abusing gambler is going to waste his time with a casino that might be able to halt his winnings. Winning from faucet is really alot of work, and it can take hours and even more hours if they are trying to code some bot. And sometimes it might even cost some money if they are running it off an VPN.

No, you didnt understood correctly.
Bitsler offers free bonus funds like all the other casinos and they require to wager at least 100x the bonus you received in order to be able to withdrae the funds.

Once the OP was able to wager that they blocked him from withdrawing with the excuse that he shouldn't be withdrawing faucet funds.

You need to read this post posted by Baryom (Bitsler admin) in first page of this thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2099812.msg20988316#msg20988316

OP got more than two accounts and he tried to cheat the system or abusing the faucet money and that's why his withdrawals are blocked.

Completely untrue. Provide a source for this statement because there have never been any bonuses apart from giveaways [that could be withdrawn immediately].

I've been followed bitsler almost from the beginning and as I know there is no deposit bonus with 100x turnover to make it withdrawable. You referred to the wrong site I guess.

I don't think bitsler cheated you or any one .  I am playing there for almost one and half year ,bitsler is really a great site and their admin and mods are great. And admin baryom himself come here to solve your issue.

there is no problem,the issue has been resolved (see Baryom's post above)
if you follow the rules and do not abuse the system,there will be never a single problem with Bitsler
one of the most trusted and popular sites out there and admin is on top of things

Do you think that you understand the case correctly, you do not even know what you are talking about. Bonus with 100x wagering requirement, you must be kidding or maybe you are dreaming about it. There is no such bonuses on bitsler, take me to the source where you find that info please.

Stop being a spammer, can you?
Someone has said it before you and you repeating it again.

No need to discuss any further since this problem already resolved by Baryom as bitsler admin.

Lol…that depends on where you’re living. 0.01 BTC is a big amount for some people. Well, his update shows that he later withdrew the amount to his account. Bitsler is not a scam site, so I don’t think they did that to cheat him, and according to his email the account was suspected for multiple account usage.