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Title: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: eckmar on August 18, 2017, 10:24:37 PM
I found some project that was up long ago, and it allowed you to send SMS messages to someone paying with Bitcoin. Project is now closed, but look like a fun idea. Would you guys be interested in such a service ? It wouldn't take me long to make this and code would be publicly available on GitHub. Let me know your opinions on this idea.

Edit:
Since some people are to bored to read whole thread, point of last project was not to send SMS cheaper than your carrier or whatever, point was to send it anonymously.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: btccashacc on August 18, 2017, 11:58:54 PM
Sorry but now people can send sms  (i don't use sms anymore tbh) or i call it message for free using whatsapp and there are so many apps similar to the whatsapp, so for this reason i think this project will not success. If you mean something like private chat or peer to peer, well whatsapp claim that their messages are fully end-to-end encrypted, telegram is another service similar to this, people nowdays will think twice before spend their bitcoin, i personally won't do that paying sms with bitcoin, why do i have to pay, while free is exist, just my suggestion.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: civilufo on August 19, 2017, 01:24:04 AM
Sorry but now people can send sms  (i don't use sms anymore tbh) or i call it message for free using whatsapp and there are so many apps similar to the whatsapp, so for this reason i think this project will not success. If you mean something like private chat or peer to peer, well whatsapp claim that their messages are fully end-to-end encrypted, telegram is another service similar to this, people nowdays will think twice before spend their bitcoin, i personally won't do that paying sms with bitcoin, why do i have to pay, while free is exist, just my suggestion.

Yes, I agreed. SMS is obsoleted and maybe that's the reason the previous SMS project has closed down.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: LeGaulois on August 19, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
For some countries, it will be useless. For example, in my country (Europe), it's free and unlimited with all the major contracts. I am charged 3€ per month for unlimited calls, unlimited SMS, 50 Go data. So why should I pay to send SMS and paying in Bitcoin? This situation is like with a lot of countries with the low-cost contract now.
It's surely why the project you mentioned about is abandoned since


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: alex_rada on August 19, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
SMS is obsolete and rarely used. People prefer the faster, feature-rich instant messaging offered by online services such as Whatsapp or Telegram.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: Similificator on August 19, 2017, 01:51:30 PM
I found some project that was up long ago, and it allowed you to send SMS messages to someone paying with Bitcoin. Project is now closed, but look like a fun idea. Would you guys be interested in such a service ? It wouldn't take me long to make this and code would be publicly available on GitHub. Let me know your opinions on this idea.

I don't want to rain on your parade but to be honest op, i really don't see that much potential in a project like that. Maybe that is also the reason why that project you foundlong ago has closed down. Because not a lot of people liked the idea. Because people nowadays use free messaging apps now more often than sending sms. Which means they do not need offline messaging anymore. And that really makes the idea useless anymore..


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: eckmar on August 19, 2017, 03:06:12 PM
You guys think point is sending SMS cheap, no. Point of last project was to send sms to anyone anonymously with Bitcoin.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: maeusi on August 19, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
I found some project that was up long ago, and it allowed you to send SMS messages to someone paying with Bitcoin. Project is now closed, but look like a fun idea. Would you guys be interested in such a service ? It wouldn't take me long to make this and code would be publicly available on GitHub. Let me know your opinions on this idea.
Maybe you could create a bitcoin massenger. But I would also try out SMS messages.The projects sounds really interesting.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: mvidetto on August 22, 2017, 01:42:54 PM
Honestly I would not use this service as I already use online methods so I am never charged for sms. This project must have had a strength idea


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: sweetdesirez on August 22, 2017, 02:11:58 PM
Considering the cost of sending domestic sMs within one country and the btc transaction fees, one has to purchase a minimum quantity to cover both, so it will work only for business sMs.
It can work for international sMs, provided we can find a way out to beat the tx fees and the competitive rates of sending sMs.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: iamTom123 on August 22, 2017, 03:03:55 PM
You guys think point is sending SMS cheap, no. Point of last project was to send sms to anyone anonymously with Bitcoin.

I think this can have some application with secretive messages or very confidential messages but then again the market for this can be so slim maybe you can try to approach the military or any secret service type of an organization but in my opinion they already have a way to deal with this problem. If the idea is to have it adopted by a greater number of people then maybe you may find it hard to market the idea.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: eckmar on August 22, 2017, 03:52:02 PM
Considering the cost of sending domestic sMs within one country and the btc transaction fees, one has to purchase a minimum quantity to cover both, so it will work only for business sMs.
It can work for international sMs, provided we can find a way out to beat the tx fees and the competitive rates of sending sMs.

Yeah well current situation with fees is really bad. We don't know for how long it will last. We'll see what will happen with next fork in november


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: Joel_Jantsen on August 22, 2017, 07:18:26 PM
I found some project that was up long ago, and it allowed you to send SMS messages to someone paying with Bitcoin. Project is now closed, but look like a fun idea. Would you guys be interested in such a service ? It wouldn't take me long to make this and code would be publicly available on GitHub. Let me know your opinions on this idea.
But why ? I could just send an SMS using my phone's network which I pay monthly for ? Unless you're offering something very useful like cheap SMS international using bitcoins or anonymous SMS I don't think we actually need the service.Anyway that's just my point of view,you may disagree.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: SMSCHAIN on August 23, 2017, 09:42:49 AM
I have a lot of experience in SMS industry, however, I don't understand how you would like it to function exactly. Do you want just to send an A2P SMS notification after the transaction has been completed?


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: eckmar on August 23, 2017, 10:13:34 AM
I found some project that was up long ago, and it allowed you to send SMS messages to someone paying with Bitcoin. Project is now closed, but look like a fun idea. Would you guys be interested in such a service ? It wouldn't take me long to make this and code would be publicly available on GitHub. Let me know your opinions on this idea.
But why ? I could just send an SMS using my phone's network which I pay monthly for ? Unless you're offering something very useful like cheap SMS international using bitcoins or anonymous SMS I don't think we actually need the service.Anyway that's just my point of view,you may disagree.

I understand that you have to fill your signature campaign posts for this week, but it's usually a good idea to read entire thread before replying to it :)

I have a lot of experience in SMS industry, however, I don't understand how you would like it to function exactly. Do you want just to send an A2P SMS notification after the transaction has been completed?

Multiple ways of doing this. Can prepare sms and after transaction is confirmed send it. I can make user balance with btc deposit and then send sms with that... Just talking on top of my mind


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: Joel_Jantsen on August 23, 2017, 01:33:03 PM
I understand that you have to fill your signature campaign posts for this week, but it's usually a good idea to read entire thread before replying to it :)
Shut up.I read the entire thread and didn't find a single post that actually specified my opinions.Stop asking for advises if you are here to comment on my signature campaign.Start a self moderated thread otherwise.
The main post never said the SMS would be anonymous ,career related or just a cheap service.If you'd like to avoid obvious questions ,do spend a second or two in detailing the thread so critics don't have to suffer for your laziness.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: eckmar on August 23, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
I understand that you have to fill your signature campaign posts for this week, but it's usually a good idea to read entire thread before replying to it :)
Shut up.I read the entire thread and didn't find a single post that actually specified my opinions.Stop asking for advises if you are here to comment on my signature campaign.Start a self moderated thread otherwise.
The main post never said the SMS would be anonymous ,career related or just a cheap service.If you'd like to avoid obvious questions ,do spend a second or two in detailing the thread so critics don't have to suffer for your laziness.

Main post did not and that is the reason why I said it's usually a good idea to read entire thread before replying to it. Questions is already answered with 7# post in this thread by me:

You guys think point is sending SMS cheap, no. Point of last project was to send sms to anyone anonymously with Bitcoin.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: Chikitita2004 on August 23, 2017, 04:56:26 PM
Save the bitcoin dude!! There lots of free sms channels nowadays!😊


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: claudieux on August 24, 2017, 10:12:46 AM
I think that he is looking to send spam SMS.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: LeGaulois on August 24, 2017, 12:27:31 PM
You guys think point is sending SMS cheap, no. Point of last project was to send sms to anyone anonymously with Bitcoin.

I see, but the question is who needs to send anonymous SMS. You send messages to your friends, family, co-workers, etc you don't need to hide your face. The only group of people I see who may be interested is for marketing spam purposes. For example, I receive at home 2-3 calls weekly trying to sell me, swimming pools, insurances, solar panels, etc. They call less since we are now able to report them. With a website/app like your, I guess they will really enjoy it :D


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: eternalgloom on August 24, 2017, 01:09:25 PM
Sounds like a fun project to be honest, I'd personally have no use for it, but that shouldn't deter you from building it.
I'm sure that it will be of some use for certain people who care about their anonymity.

If you're able to also make it into a service for sending bulk sms you could also find some businesses that might use it.

As others have said, there's a good chance that some people will use it to spam or do other illegal things, but that's up to them, not you.
Something like this also has legitimate uses.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: xlilbearx on August 24, 2017, 01:43:07 PM
For some countries, it will be useless. For example, in my country (Europe), it's free and unlimited with all the major contracts. I am charged 3€ per month for unlimited calls, unlimited SMS, 50 Go data. So why should I pay to send SMS and paying in Bitcoin? This situation is like with a lot of countries with the low-cost contract now.
It's surely why the project you mentioned about is abandoned since
Where are you from and which is your provider? I know you can get similar packages for 10 eur or so but 3 eur?? 50 gigs of data for 3 eur?
Anyway I think your idea is good, anonimous texts could be useful in some situations. But don't expect very good income from this so if this project will take you more than a week of work it's not worth it.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: shield132 on August 24, 2017, 05:20:24 PM
Not a good idea, even many projects where about anonymouse sms sending (with adsense ads and failed/weren't able to cover costs) + I believe you won't have many customer.
I think it will be good to offer receiving sms when bitcoin transaction gots 3/6 confirmation, these days people have to wait hours to get transaction confirmed even with high fees, so letting it to people with sms would be a good idea (not profitable but good).


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: eckmar on August 25, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
Not a good idea, even many projects where about anonymouse sms sending (with adsense ads and failed/weren't able to cover costs) + I believe you won't have many customer.
I think it will be good to offer receiving sms when bitcoin transaction gots 3/6 confirmation, these days people have to wait hours to get transaction confirmed even with high fees, so letting it to people with sms would be a good idea (not profitable but good).

If you are using blockchain.info wallet, they let you know when you get income/expense from your wallet. You can chose to be notified with SMS or Email


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: Rahar02 on August 25, 2017, 03:49:23 PM
You guys think point is sending SMS cheap, no. Point of last project was to send sms to anyone anonymously with Bitcoin.

I see, but the question is who needs to send anonymous SMS. You send messages to your friends, family, co-workers, etc you don't need to hide your face. The only group of people I see who may be interested is for marketing spam purposes. For example, I receive at home 2-3 calls weekly trying to sell me, swimming pools, insurances, solar panels, etc. They call less since we are now able to report them. With a website/app like your, I guess they will really enjoy it :D

Agree, he's right. Most people don't need to send messages anonymously.
You should consider the usability instead of just thought; "oh it will be fun".
Maybe few people may like to use your service and you can try to develop it, just go ahead.
I'd like to see how it will be and how much people are willing to pay bitcoin for anonymous sms.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: bigars on August 26, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
Actually, project would be appropriate before era of messengers WhsApp an so on. These times lots of people was engaged in seeking ways to reducea  bills for chating with sms. But it wasnt a bitcoins like features ))    Now any payments for chating is unperspective i think. Only if you ll create some privilege community, joining of witch will cost fee an messagess could cost ...


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: waris on September 01, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
I found some project that was up long ago, and it allowed you to send SMS messages to someone paying with Bitcoin. Project is now closed, but look like a fun idea. Would you guys be interested in such a service ? It wouldn't take me long to make this and code would be publicly available on GitHub. Let me know your opinions on this idea.

Edit:
Since some people are to bored to read whole thread, point of last project was not to send SMS cheaper than your carrier or whatever, point was to send it anonymously.

Its very bad idea all developer aplication make best aplication with free to use


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: webmastax on September 03, 2017, 02:41:51 PM
Can this program send Bulk SMS? To send a single sms everybody have phones and i think they are not interesting in spending bitcoin to send sms.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: rext on September 03, 2017, 09:48:35 PM
I found some project that was up long ago, and it allowed you to send SMS messages to someone paying with Bitcoin. Project is now closed, but look like a fun idea. Would you guys be interested in such a service ? It wouldn't take me long to make this and code would be publicly available on GitHub. Let me know your opinions on this idea.

Edit:
Since some people are to bored to read whole thread, point of last project was not to send SMS cheaper than your carrier or whatever, point was to send it anonymously.

I think it's not reasonable for any developer. Because the value of bitcoin always changes, while the value of each message that is sent is the default, so we can not give a fixed rate.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: carlfebz2 on September 04, 2017, 10:40:46 AM
Sorry but now people can send sms  (i don't use sms anymore tbh) or i call it message for free using whatsapp and there are so many apps similar to the whatsapp, so for this reason i think this project will not success. If you mean something like private chat or peer to peer, well whatsapp claim that their messages are fully end-to-end encrypted, telegram is another service similar to this, people nowdays will think twice before spend their bitcoin, i personally won't do that paying sms with bitcoin, why do i have to pay, while free is exist, just my suggestion.

Yes, I agreed. SMS is obsoleted and maybe that's the reason the previous SMS project has closed down.
Its just really a senseless thing if you would able to make plan on having this kind of service and as being said why would pay? If theres already a free app or service are being used already. This project will definitely fail from the start and would not really get any interest because of those existing messaging service.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: Oroplata on September 04, 2017, 04:08:19 PM
AFAIK this SMS messages feature is somehow the same in ZenCash platform.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: santiPOGI on September 06, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
SMS is the more easy to oaccess in a phone ... sms is not secure too like others ... we are better now in other apps with another password to input even your phone is unlock .. in addition pof the bitcoin address are all uniques and cant be edited .. it is along sequence of numbers and letters so it is better and ssafe on the same app ...


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: saheng on September 06, 2017, 10:27:50 PM
I think sending a message to someone by paying using bitcoin will be much more expensive than a regular carrier if it is redeemed. but quite interesting if the price is adjusted, because it will greatly simplify bitcoiners without having to be exchanged first. I disagree if sending them anonymously because it would trigger a crime for an irresponsible person, may be.


Title: Re: SMS messages with Bitcoin
Post by: Kakmakr on September 08, 2017, 07:20:24 AM
Just a simple question : How is the sms anonymous? It still goes through some cell phone providers network and in my country you have to jump through several loops to buy a sim card. We do not have a option to buy throw away mobile phones. Do you plan to link this to a website that sends bitcoins deposited onto their platform to the cell phone numbers of the users choice?

I think this might be useful if you can eliminate the sender from using their own mobile phones. Good idea. ^smile^

What happens if the bitcoins are unclaimed? Does it go back to the sender? < sending coins to non-bitcoiners > ?