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Title: Nationalist Socialism on the rise in the United States
Post by: awesome31312 on August 19, 2017, 09:29:00 AM
Whatever way you look at it, Nationalist Socialism is winning. The former grand head of the KKK, a rampant nationalist socialist, has endorsed and recently thanked Trump for everything he has done for white supremacists.

That's the right wing. What about the left wing? Well, you have people like Sanders, Clinton, etc who believe in nationalist socialism.


Title: Re: Nationalist Socialism on the rise in the United States
Post by: Footmanred on August 23, 2017, 04:56:03 AM
Whatever way you look at it, Nationalist Socialism is winning. The former grand head of the KKK, a rampant nationalist socialist, has endorsed and recently thanked Trump for everything he has done for white supremacists.

That's the right wing. What about the left wing? Well, you have people like Sanders, Clinton, etc who believe in nationalist socialism.
I do not think that Nationalist Socialism is winning. A too much different sort of nuances is in all of it. Here or it is needed to know everything from within, or even not to try to know. The third is not given.


Title: Re: Nationalist Socialism on the rise in the United States
Post by: aidenafterall on August 30, 2017, 01:24:57 AM
Nazis aren't socialists, they are varying shades of fascists. The original Nazis (so depressing to write that) after infiltrating and converting the German Workers Party (which at first promoted socialist ideologies) tolerated socialists as they gained power, then later purged and often killed known socialists. Nazis aren't into redistribution of wealth, etc but instead supremacy of 'race'.


Title: Re: Nationalist Socialism on the rise in the United States
Post by: Sithara007 on August 30, 2017, 01:34:34 AM
Whatever way you look at it, Nationalist Socialism is winning. The former grand head of the KKK, a rampant nationalist socialist, has endorsed and recently thanked Trump for everything he has done for white supremacists.

Anyone can endorse Trump. He can't stop these people endorsing him. Tomorrow, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi of the ISIS can endorse Trump and the media will go ballistic over it. But has Trump endorsed anyone? NO.

That's the right wing. What about the left wing? Well, you have people like Sanders, Clinton, etc who believe in nationalist socialism.

If you believe that Sanders is a Nazi, then you need mental treatment ASAP.


Title: Re: Nationalist Socialism on the rise in the United States
Post by: Moloch on August 30, 2017, 05:09:32 AM
Whatever way you look at it, Nationalist Socialism is winning. The former grand head of the KKK, a rampant nationalist socialist, has endorsed and recently thanked Trump for everything he has done for white supremacists.

That's the right wing. What about the left wing? Well, you have people like Sanders, Clinton, etc who believe in nationalist socialism.

You are conflating two completely different political ideologies...

Nationalist Socialism (aka Nazism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism)), is Fascism and far-right-wing political ideology... "Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism"... it is not socialist in the slightest (I know, names are confusing, usually on purpose)

Democratic Socialism (like Sanders), is a mid-left-wing ideology... "Democratic socialism is a political ideology that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production, often with an emphasis on democratic management of enterprises within a socialist economic system"

Clinton is neither of these, Clinton is an Oligarch ("Moderate" ideology)... she definitely does not believe in any form of socialism

Please do not confuse Fascism with Socialism... these are diametrically opposed ideas... Fascism is equivalent to a king owning everything and ruling by decree (North Korea), whereas Socialism is essentially democracy with social/public ownership of production/infrastructure

http://www.iagreetosee.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/political-spectrum.png


Title: Re: Nationalist Socialism on the rise in the United States
Post by: awesome31312 on September 02, 2017, 07:04:50 PM
Theft to acquire wealth in exchange for providing collective services for the greater good of society, is how I define Nationalist Socialism.


Title: Re: Nationalist Socialism on the rise in the United States
Post by: Mad7Scientist on September 03, 2017, 01:57:32 AM
Trump is more of a center candidate. Sort of a big compromise. Why do people keep saying he is right wing? They aren't abolishing Obama care, they're replacing it. That's left! He's abolishing regulations, that's to the right. He's securing the border, which is sort of both left and right. Having security is more of a right wing thing, but needing isolating the economy and attracting immigrants in the first place is a left wing thing.


Title: Re: Nationalist Socialism on the rise in the United States
Post by: Sithara007 on September 03, 2017, 02:53:26 AM
Trump is more of a center candidate. Sort of a big compromise. Why do people keep saying he is right wing? They aren't abolishing Obama care, they're replacing it. That's left! He's abolishing regulations, that's to the right. He's securing the border, which is sort of both left and right. Having security is more of a right wing thing, but needing isolating the economy and attracting immigrants in the first place is a left wing thing.

Apart from his immigration policy, Trump is more centrist than many of the other establishment republican heavyweights out there. And tolerance towards illegal immigrants is more of a Democrat policy. It has no place in the Republican party.


Title: Re: Nationalist Socialism on the rise in the United States
Post by: IIV on September 03, 2017, 03:57:01 AM
The acts of some white supremacist can't be called a Nationalist Socialism.

Only the Red Indians were native to the American soil.
All of others are immigrants.
And it doesn't even matter in the modern time, if you are to test the DNA majority of American population is mixed.
There's nothing as pure breed, all humans are same.
It's just some stupid persons wanting to spread hate between people.
And I'm confident that american population would reject such stupid idea.
There needs to be some struggle from every perspective to reach to equality.