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Title: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 12:46:18 PM
I have noticed others that are curious as to why this was happening too.
Everytime I bought and sold on mtgox the trade charge was 1.3%.

that is double.

Then it crashed sunday night.

will anyone else confirm this was happening to them?


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 12:50:53 PM
did anyone even notice this was happening?


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: speeder on June 22, 2011, 12:52:37 PM
>.<


You are charged 0.65%

if you bought AND sold, you are charged 0.65% twice. Thus 1.3%


That is basic knowledge for daytraders.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 12:55:40 PM
>.<


You are charged 0.65%

if you bought AND sold, you are charged 0.65% twice. Thus 1.3%


That is basic knowledge for daytraders.

How did this not register with you?


EACH TRADE, BUY AND SELL were being charged 1.3%.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: speeder on June 22, 2011, 12:59:24 PM
Ok, I am not understanding you.


If you only bought BTC, you got charged 1.3%?


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 01:02:18 PM
Yes,

place a sell for 25 BTC

you sell

25BTC plus (1.3%) = 25.01300 sold.

you place a buy for 25 BTC

you buy

25BTC minus (1.3%) = 24.98700 bought.

had this happening all over my logbook during the weekend.



Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: DamienBlack on June 22, 2011, 01:05:45 PM
Yes,

place a sell for 25 BTC

you sell

25BTC plus (1.3%) = 25.01300 sold.

you place a buy for 25 BTC

you buy

25BTC minus (1.3%) = 24.98700 bought.

had this happening all over my logbook during the weekend.



That isn't even 1.3%. What are you smoking? 1.3% of 25 is .325, not .013. If you are going to troll something random, at least get the math right. Looks like you were only being charged .052%, awesome. That's 12.5 times less then you are supposed to be. Not to mention when you sell, the .65% is taken out of your new USD, not added to the bitcoins you sell. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've never sold on mt gox.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: speeder on June 22, 2011, 01:13:39 PM
That is hilarious


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
Yes,

place a sell for 25 BTC

you sell

25BTC plus (1.3%) = 25.01300 sold.

you place a buy for 25 BTC

you buy

25BTC minus (1.3%) = 24.98700 bought.

had this happening all over my logbook during the weekend.



That isn't even 1.3%. What are you smoking? 1.3% of 25 is .325, not .013. If you are going to troll something random at least get the math right.

http://www.google.com/search?q=1.3%26+of+25&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=A9N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=25+plus+1.3%25&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=905e9081899b75b1&biw=982&bih=611


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 01:15:03 PM
that shit ^ right there is a calculator.

see:

25 "plus" (1.3%) = 25.01300 <--------THAT MUCH


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: DamienBlack on June 22, 2011, 01:16:55 PM
Yes,

place a sell for 25 BTC

you sell

25BTC plus (1.3%) = 25.01300 sold.

you place a buy for 25 BTC

you buy

25BTC minus (1.3%) = 24.98700 bought.

had this happening all over my logbook during the weekend.



That isn't even 1.3%. What are you smoking? 1.3% of 25 is .325, not .013. If you are going to troll something random at least get the math right.

http://www.google.com/search?q=1.3%26+of+25&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=A9N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=25+plus+1.3%25&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=905e9081899b75b1&biw=982&bih=611

Lol, so you used google and it lead you astray. Try this:

http://www.google.com/search?q=1.3%26+of+25&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=25+times+101.3%25&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=951dc7972bfd90fb&biw=1440&bih=791

or this:

http://www.google.com/search?q=1.3%26+of+25&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=25+plus+1.3%25+of+25&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=951dc7972bfd90fb&biw=1440&bih=791


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: nazgulnarsil on June 22, 2011, 01:17:14 PM
HAHAHAHA

either trolling or failed out of grade school


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Adam on June 22, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
You can't argue with a calculator.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Cdecker on June 22, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
Rofl you actually calculated 25 plus 1 * 1.3/100 :D
So you summed 1.3 hundredth to your 25 instead of summing 101.3 * 25 / 100

>>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=101.3%25+of+25


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: speeder on June 22, 2011, 01:19:50 PM
PUTA QUE O PARIU QUE CARA BURRO DU KCT!!!!

Sorry, I had to let out that after this.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: bencoder on June 22, 2011, 01:21:20 PM
http://www.google.com/search?q=25+plus+%281.3%25%20of%2025%29

But regardless, I don't think that was the point - I'm assuming that lighter previously calculated that trades were charging 1.3 and was just attempting to make an example but failed on the calculation.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Serge on June 22, 2011, 01:23:32 PM
calculator troll fail


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: DamienBlack on June 22, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
http://www.google.com/search?q=25+plus+%281.3%25%20of%2025%29

But regardless, I don't think that was the point - I'm assuming that lighter previously calculated that trades were charging 1.3 and was just attempting to make an example but failed on the calculation.

Well I don't trust his calculations after seeing that. I even pointed out his mistake and he stuck to it.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 01:25:09 PM
even if I suck at calculator.

it was happening.

I was being charged 1.3% each trade.

I haven't had much sleep.

if I had the CSV in front of me I could show you.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: DamienBlack on June 22, 2011, 01:27:14 PM
even if I suck at calculator.

it was happening.

I was being charged 1.3% each trade.

Yeah, I really believe you now. Especially since you've such a great grasp of mathematics and how mt gox takes commission.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: speeder on June 22, 2011, 01:28:00 PM
even if I suck at calculator.

it was happening.

I was being charged 1.3% each trade.

I haven't had much sleep.

if I had the CSV in front of me I could show you.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8728/owlorlyk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/owlorlyk.jpg/)


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 01:31:36 PM
even if I suck at calculator.

it was happening.

I was being charged 1.3% each trade.

Yeah, I really believe you now. Especially since you've such a great grasp of mathematics and how mt gox takes commission.

when I noticed it I typed "25 minus 0.65%" into google.

the result was different than my logbook, it didn't make sense.

so i typed "25 minus 1.3%" and it matched.

I don't care if you believe me or not.

If Mt. Gox still has the CSV associated with my account I'll show you.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 01:39:54 PM
Damn, you guys made me feel like a retard for a bit.

That wasn't very nice.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Savaron on June 22, 2011, 01:41:44 PM
It is wrong to google "25 minus 1.3%".

wrong: 25 minus 1.3% = 24.98700 ==> -0,052%
right: 25 minus (1.3% of 25) = 24.67500 ==> -1,3%

25 minus (0,65% of 25) = 24,8375


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Serge on June 22, 2011, 01:47:59 PM
Damn, you guys made me feel like a retard for a bit.

That wasn't very nice.

i think you owe an apology to mtgox


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
It is wrong to google "25 minus 1.3%".

wrong: 25 minus 1.3% = 24.98700 ==> -0,052%
right: 25 minus (1.3% of 25) = 24.67500 ==> -1,3%

25 minus (0,65% of 25) = 24,8375


That makes sense, thank-you very much.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: DamienBlack on June 22, 2011, 01:52:40 PM
even if I suck at calculator.

it was happening.

I was being charged 1.3% each trade.

Yeah, I really believe you now. Especially since you've such a great grasp of mathematics and how mt gox takes commission.

when I noticed it I typed "25 minus 0.65%" into google.

the result was different than my logbook, it didn't make sense.

so i typed "25 minus 1.3%" and it matched.

I don't care if you believe me or not.

If Mt. Gox still has the CSV associated with my account I'll show you.

"25 minus 1.3%" gives you the wrong value, you need to type "25 minus 1.3% of 25". So if your story is true, it does not mean that mt gox was charging 1.3%. You just got your numbers wrong.

Honestly, the google thing looks like a bug. It should be able to calculate "25 minus 1.3%" correctly. So it isn't completely your fault.

Did your trades happen to be for 2 btc, because if so then your story checks out, the numbers are just wrong because of google.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: 3phase on June 22, 2011, 02:11:46 PM
Guys, cut the crap and go buy or borrow a caclulator:

http://www.calculators-online.co.uk/index.jsp (http://www.calculators-online.co.uk/index.jsp)

This thing WORKS !!!! It can even calculate percentages for you. Google's calc is for code-junkies !!!

I got some similar models for sale at 0.1 BTC (worldwide shipping included).


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: Tasty Champa on June 22, 2011, 02:13:25 PM
even if I suck at calculator.

it was happening.

I was being charged 1.3% each trade.

Yeah, I really believe you now. Especially since you've such a great grasp of mathematics and how mt gox takes commission.

when I noticed it I typed "25 minus 0.65%" into google.

the result was different than my logbook, it didn't make sense.

so i typed "25 minus 1.3%" and it matched.

I don't care if you believe me or not.

If Mt. Gox still has the CSV associated with my account I'll show you.

"25 minus 1.3%" gives you the wrong value, you need to type "25 minus 1.3% of 25". So if your story is true, it does not mean that mt gox was charging 1.3%. You just got your numbers wrong.

Honestly, the google thing looks like a bug. It should be able to calculate "25 minus 1.3%" correctly. So it isn't completely your fault.

Did your trades happen to be for 2 btc, because if so then your story checks out, the numbers are just wrong because of google.

I was making a lot of trades between 1-39BTC trying to figure out how the bots were working with the percentages, while also trying to get back to my 50BTC I started with.
Was also trying to learn how to beat the bots who were setting up and making huge amounts of sub BTC (0.00XXX) trades.

As You, Savaron and benCoder showed me, I was in error.


Title: Re: trades over the weekend at Mt Gox were -1.3% not -0.65%
Post by: speeder on June 22, 2011, 02:14:56 PM
I was going to explain my daytrading pattern...

But that would defeat the whole point of it.

But, good that now you understood.