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the title says it all, i wanted to learn some advice from you guys, how you guys actually manage trading if you already had with that such amounts or more

Going all in just in a coin is very risky but if you have invested in right coin, your investment will be turned into huge amount. Trading doesn't need time and money only, but it required some luck.

You should use 0.5 BTC to buy 5 or 10 different altcoins this way you can save some BTC if something goes wrong

separated it with several coin because stick to one coin only is risky unless you pick bitcoin and not decide to buy any altcoin but if i have 1 bitcoin as my trading capital i would use 50% for bitcoin and 50% again to trading altcoins

Divided it into some partials, that was the basic thing you must remember in trade that makes the risk for your amount will be less. because you just no put your amount in one basket. Just like the decentralized brings your amount into some parts of the investment.

welp , this is might one of the reason why i was loss on trading before, i'll try to splitting my funds to separate coins.
Can anyone advice me more , how many '%' i need to set let's say i'm going to trade into 2-4 coins (bitcoin excluded)?

Going all-in probably isn't the best option. I mean, it could yield big profits but also could drag your account eerily fast towards 0. I'm far from a professional trader but in your position I would spread 0,7 BTC over at least 5 altcoins and keep the remaining 0,3 BTC. The cryptomarket is currently bullish but it couldn't hurt to have some BTC ready to buy during a dip if it occurs.

This is correct method as do not put all your investment in one coin. Diversify is the key towards anything whether its money or knowledge. Spread it so that you get the best and gain the most. Buy some btc and rest you can buy 2 to 3 different altcoins so that you have a good portfolio and who know in long term you may be a millionaire based on your investment.

Though I believe with Bitcoin nothing is going to be wrong, but you never know. So yes, obviously diversifying will be the best and required move if somebody has 1 BTC only. Even if you don't think to diversify in various many altcoins, do it with atleast 4-5 coins. Before you do just be careful and judge properly with accurate knowledge. Mistakes can be really breathtaking here.

Diversification of your capital into different investment opportunity is very important than risking all your capital in one coin. A rational investors will spread his or her capital into different coins that will bring a good return on investment. 

Its a temptation for me to sell that 0.5 btc if I do have a 1 bitcoin. And I will hold 0.3 for the price still in increasing sprees. And the remaining bitcoin I will exchange it with promising altcoins that may profit in the future. I can handle that as of now but in real scenario at the day I got one, I don't if I can even think because of shocked and happiness.

I do not recommend it, because it can make you lose if the price of the coin suddenly goes down. Better to invest on lots of coins, maybe 3 coins. Well it might make you fortune.
You could have done it with 1 coin, but you should really have accurate information on the coin.

No, it is not a good idea, even though Bitcoin can be consider as a safe investment,but it is really a good idea to split your investment, at least when something happened you won't lost it all and who knows your other investment can give you better profit, at least put it into 2 different investment

I'm not an experienced trader, but I have an interesting theory.
 
I think for trading and other +EV games (poker, sports betting, etc), you should be trying to get the highest median income. What I mean by median income is, assuming the odds of the trade are known, the 50% percentile outcome if the same trade was executed infinity times.

Ex: you spotted a possible trade with 50% to 2.02x your money and 50% to lose all your money (EV +1%).

If you execute that trade infinite times with 50% of your bankroll, you lose 24.5% for every 2 trades.  Calculations: (.5*2.02+0.5)*(0.5)=.755
However, if you trade 0.1% of your bankroll, your profit would be too small. (0.001*2.02+.999)*(.999)=1.00001898
The ideal trade amount is 1% of your bankroll (double check that, I might be wrong). (0.01*2.02+.99)*(.99)=1.000098

In fact, unless your profit margin is very wide, you should only be trading a small amount of your bankroll (<5%) per coin. Trading with 100% of your money is more or less gambling maybe with no house edge (if your good at trading).

Yes, i would go all in one if i have a whole btc.  Bitcoin value is $4300 each, so you are not risking so much money.
I would invest it all on waves, and that is it, with $4,3k you can buy aprox 860 waves, if their price increases to $15 you have triplied your money, and waves have a very nice potential, i am sure that i would go all in one with waves.

If you have 1 bitcoin and if i were you, i will not go with 1 coin alone. It is very risky for me to go all in (1 bitcoin) in only one altcoin because that is a risky decision and you can lose a lot of money by just being greedy so i think it is better if you will just diversify and spread that 1 bitcoin to different altcoins that are good both short and long term.

It is risky but still a good strategy cause you will earn big profit if the value of the coin will shoot up. If you intend to invest in one coin only then you might want to try buying 10% of your funds to that coin and in case price will go down then you can spend again 20% to buy that coin to average down and the target price will be reduce as well and if it goes down again then you can spend 30% again to buy and average down then if it goes down again, buy using the remaining 40% of your funds. You may end up at a loss doing this if the coin's price will not recover but I can observe in some exchange that coins are pump from time to time so there is still a chance that your target price will be reach.

It depends, if you are already sure about that coin will increase soon so go for it buy all-in in 1 coins but if you want more safety it's better to seperate it into many coins like this popular words don't put all your eggs in one basket. My experience on trading is i always focus on 1 altcoin, it's better than focus on many altcoins. So your money only focus on 1 altcoin.

the most important thing in this cryptoworld is you will only lose it if you sell it cheaper than your buy order,
so how do we manage it if we have that amount of coins or even more ?
of course that you need to do is to split it into 5-10 or else.
you can do this if you have a strategy and back up plan,
because you should know the cycle,there'll be a pump but we should wait the accumulation phase for the whales.
some good coins will have that phase every single time and we need a lot of patience during that time,
no matter what,every altcoin will be pumped in the coming month,year or around that.
(but remember it's a high risk,very high that is why i told you to split it into 5-10 or else part).

and other than that you should have a financial back up for your trade,
because when that time happen and you don't have any back up more likely you will miss the chance

I don't quite understand what you are getting at, but what you should do is not spend your Bitcoin but instead save it for when it will be worth $1,000,000. :)

definitely not. going all-in on any altcoin is mismanaging risk. it's "putting all your eggs in one basket" so to speak, in the context of high risk and highly speculative assets. so the smartest thing to do is spread around that risk and diversify. i'd rather put 0.1 BTC into 10 different coins (or maybe into 5 coins, with amounts weighted based on my view of their fundamentals and speculative value).

as it is, i'm actively invested in about a dozen coins, most of them for the long term (> one year, due to capital gains taxes).

That's true , optimistics is a must but don't forget about the plan B .
There's no harm to split it like 70% for bitcoin and tge rest for altcoin , incase the altcoin could make a surprise on bitcoin.
For example ethereum that rumoured everytime it could replace bitcoin position as the biggest cryptocurrency , why not it could happened right?

yeah putting all the eggs in the one basket is something very foolish thing in the term of trading and business. i think there are many altcoin right now which have enough potential that they can surprise you anytime. etherium has very much potential and you will see its result in 2 to 3year. i think we all will see that how its price will go to moon in the future.

for me its better to invest it on five different coins for you to minimize the risk on loss and maximize the profit. your  .2 btc on five accounts will grow exponentially and as the business tycoon warren buffet said, dont put your eggs in on basket.

Its a big no to invest in one coin only. You have to diversify your investment and not only focus on 1 coin. If you lose in 1 trading, there are still other that you can win from your investment and trading ventures.

thanks guys,
will apply the advices from now on, might going to split into 2-4 coins. The reason why i'm asking is i was success to manage from 0.xx bitcoin into 1 bitcoin with only going all-in 1 coins , but the things getting harder when i reached 1 btc, keep getting lose all the time.

i only use 0.3-0.5 btc for trading and i don't want to go all-in in 1 coins because its too risky and we can not earn profit. its better if we can split into 3-5 coins so we can make profit in separate times and we have big chance to make big money. for the rest of bitcoin, i only hold it and if the coins i bought is drop, i can buy back again so the amount of each coins will be increase and waiting to increase.

Yes, this is a good idea, as long as you know which coin that will rise significantly in the next couple weeks.
I know a friend who invested on ICO around BTC0.153 and could made profit around BTC1.85 after a month.
But the problem is; do you know which coin to invest such big amount?
If you don't know, consider to invest BTC1 partially in several projects or all in if you sure about your choice.

I think going all into altcoins with your 1bitcoin will be disastrous and unwise decision. Portfolio management is the  best way to invest that is 50% of your investment should be retain in bitcoin and 10% to ethereum, 10% Foe bitcoin Cash,  10% to be invested in ripple and the remaining balance should be kept for ico investment.

well, it depends on a lot of things!

* most important of them is you! are you a good (experienced) trader? if yes, then it is a good decision to go all in in one altcoin. because you have obviously chosen that altcoin for a reason and it will give you the most profit that you have the potential of gaining. but something tells me you are not so experienced, in which case it is a terrible idea because you will be taking a huge risk and going all in means losing that much more too.

* the other thing that comes to mind is the altcoin you are investing in. sometimes there are coins which are showing a huge potential of rising. for example I can name Litecoin a couple of months ago when it was $4 and they started signaling for SegWit. I personally invested a large amount of bitcoin in it because I knew very well that this is going to rise big time.

* in the end it comes down to your risk management. some people are more comfortable if they take huge risks! and going all in falls under that category of huge risks.

If I have 1 BTC, I will diversify and buy 2 to 3 coins. In actual fact, I will keep 0.5 BTC and buy 1 or 2 more coins with 0.5 BTC.

It is never worth to go all-in anywhere. I mean some traders sell only half of their coins when price is really high, because they don't know how price will change in future, price might rise 3 times next day, so they still keep some coins for that. Same with going all-in in one coin, it's too risky as you don't know how price will change. Maybe it will fall by 50% next day... too risky.

It is better to diversify. Even if the coin you think will skyrocket does skyrocket... it is better to be wise and control risk than just o be a lucky gambler who just got luck.

It is a good idea, because when you invest in multiple coins then it is much difficult to keep an eye on their graphs and their price fluctuation, but if you keep eye on single coin then it would be lot easier to read all their fluctuation and you can predict the peak price very easily and you can make pretty much profit from it, well it is also matter of luck but smart move can make you rich.

Sure diversify some like .1 into 3-5 other coins. Spread too thin and you end up loosing on the transaction fees.

There is nothing wrong with hanging on to the 1 BTC as that is on steady rise for the foreseable future.

Watch the markets, study, and try to buy low and sell high.

Cultivate patience as you watch and learn.

Keep buying BTC as you can, I would expect the dips in value to become shallower and shallower.

Spot the panic sells and buy then if you can.

Many things can happen to trigger the markets one direction or another.

Also observe what is happening in the Asia markets, China players have a significant influence in what is shaking out.

And many of the new developments are happening in Asia. Like the Thai post and railways to adopt blockchain technologies to streamline management.

when you invest a large amount of money ($4300) you will earn and lose a large amount of money too.
10% profit on 1BTC is 0.1BTC=$430 --------> 1.1BTC
10% loss on 1 BTC is also 0.1BTC=$430 ----> 0.9BTC

and we all know that in trading, specially in altcoins a 10% swing is the normal way of the market.
so make sure if you are comfortable with these numbers and even bigger like losing 50% and ending up with 0.5BTC in the end, then if you are comfortable with it, start with that amount.

of course it also depends on the coin you are investing in too.
for example when bitcoin fell down to $1800 a while ago because of Aug 1st FUD, it was a very good idea to invest all your money in it because it was the absolute bottom and there were only rise ahead.

Diversifying is always been suggested if you do really target for possible good outcomes later on.Going all in isn't bad as long you are somehow sure on the coin that you put your money on. Its somehow risky because once that coin fails then for sure you would really have a hard time to recover unlike on having another options on other coins which would really give you the chance to recover and its really better.

for me bro no put your 1btc in 10 coins so thats best stragy im doing dot put your egg in one basket thats my mentor said too and some of my friends do some research first before investing in coins.

I would not do that in a trade, if I were you I would at least use half of my capital and leave the rest just in case. I think if I do everything in it too bold, because if our coins have lowered the price we must be ready to lose.

Unless you can predict the future (noone can without insider knowledge or crystal ball), you don't know exactly what will go up or down. You can only estimate with a fairly good approximation based on the news you read and other information you collect. But there is always a room for mistake.

Keep something like 40% in bitcoin and 60% in 3-7 different altcoins. This way, when market is changing - you are not freaking out, but on average you are growing.

I also like to actively trade about 1/3 of my crypto, but it's up to you.

It is never good to go all in on one coins. The risk is to high that you get rekt my some bearish market cycles. I prefer to buy more than 5 altcoins to low your risks. Even if 3 coins going down, you just need 2 coins that move up really nice.

It's fine if the coin was good or it has really a potential and can survive in the near future. But still going all-in is very risky, one mistake and all of your hardwork to get that 1btc will be gone. So, would be better if you won't go all-in. Keep some in your wallet.

~Considering the crypto part of the portfolio i would divide, never go all in one coin.
50% BTC: part of it in margin trading lending.
30% well established coins. XMR for example.
10% very cheap coin with potencial to jump.
10% in a dividend paying fund like TAAS.

Do not believe in something that does not yet have the facts, investing in a coin is very risky because you do not yet know the price of the coin in the future, it could be up (this is expected) and could be down away from the price when you buy it !.
It's better to invest short-term investments with a little investment or 25% of the overall allocation of your trading capital, BUT if you're sure the coin price will rise in the future then buy it.

its better to split or just stayed with bitcoin as we knew that investing all in with one particular coins is really risky so better to have another alternatives just
in case things will not turned to our side atleast we still have another options.

A good strategy, it is anticipation to avoid big losses. Trading can be very profitable and vice versa, can drive you crazy and go bankrupt. All-in is very risky if you make a mistake then it is difficult to get out of that position. To get big profits we are not obliged to all-in we simply place on 3 potential coins. I did it and have experienced bad things with the all-in method.

It is like a famous statement here “Don’t put all eggs in one basket” :D but yes it is true. Even you are lucky still have some risk of loss in trade. Being a mature trader one must not put all coins in one thing. Yes altcoins are amazingly growing. Make investment of majority in bitcoins and do invest in some other coins too.

Yes its a big risk to invest that huge amount in single coin as know one knows where its price will move so to minimize the risk its good to invest in multiple coins which are more popular and have good volume so even if one coin gives you loss you can expect profits from other coins and you can easily recover your loss.

It really depends.. one bitcoin is not too much money, and you can not diversify it too much.
Max you can do is diversify in at least two coins, but i wouldnt do that, i know people who really likes diversifing their cryptomoney and they own more than 10 different coins (but most of them have more than 10 bitcoins worth in total)
And there is people who have 0.10 btc and diversify in 10 coins, then if you do this, you are probably not gonna get any profit.

For 1 million per 1 btc we need to wait a long time, going all in in one coin is not recommended but if someone have a tip he should risk it maybe. Many coins doubled their prices from beginning of this year, not just doubled they went up much more then anyone expected. I don`t encourage anyone to invest a lot in any altcoin, but some people earned a lot and there are many examples of other people success.
Holding one coin is good idea, I can`t say nothing bad about it, but it`s always good when you have couple investments on a side that can bring more bitcoin to you in the future.

For 1 bitcoin, I will probably try to pick a well backed ICO, flip and then use the proceed to invest in others. When it gets to 2-3 bitcoin then I will consider diversify then.

If I have 1 bitcoin my slalet and I buycoin its better if If I buy 4 different altcoin which is 0.25 bitcoin per altcoin I buy. Because if you stick only in 1 altcoin what if those altcoin that you have only the price decrease your money also decrease so its better if you have different altcoin so you have support if one altcoin that you have decrease you have other wait to increase and you earn profit.

That is the power of diversification and because of the diversification the risk of losing money is minimized and it is not that risky at all for you because you will invest in different altcoins and because of that you can earn from different altcoins and have a back up so if something goes wrong it will not affect your cash flow because of diversification.

Investing $4000 all in one altcoin is way too risky even if that coin is in top 10. Altcoin market is highly volatile, uncertain and unpredictable at the same time. You never know who is the bulk holder of that particular coin and when will he dump. Pumps and dumps are way too common in altcoin market. Better to have diversified investment.

You can invest 1 BTC in a single coin. If you already have huge investments elsewhere or you are a huge Bitcoin holder that 1 BTC doesn't really matter to you. But if 1 BTC is something you can't afford to lose. Never go for one coin.

maybe half-half is better, invest 0.5 bitcoin for other cryptos that you believe, but also keep the other half in BTC, because there is higher risks in other cryptos, BTC will never fade away

I agree with your point, 50%/50% is a good choice. You keep half of your Bitcoins and risk another half on trading. But if the trader isn't skilled and doesn't know what he is doing very well yet, I think it's better to lower this trading bankroll, maybe 25% of total amount of Bitcoins... If the trader is more self-confident he should go with 50%. The choice of the currencies is another talk, I would prefer most trusted AltCoins, less risk.

No. I think it is a bad idea to invest your 1 btc in 1 coin. It is very risky because you can't even sure if the coin that you will buy have potential or not. I think divide your 1 btc to the top 10 altcoins nowadays. 

Its ok all in a coin. You just need to research a coin if it's good if it's a longterm. Then analysis in charting in trading. Trading is risky especially if you do not know how to get into the market. If your investment is big, you will also earn a great deal, but it will not overwhelm you. If the price drops you are losing time to make a good plan to recover you again. Trading is like a business that should be planned well.

Yeah I agree to you that separate your coins to different altcoins. For sure there is high possibilities that you will lose your money if you will invest your 1 bitcoin in 1 altcoin. I think your decision is not good.

You should invest on not just one coin. There are plenty that have potential. Divide your btc in half. Then leave the half alone. And invest the half on several alt coins that have potential.

If i have 1 BTC i don't invest Altcoin, why not keep it waiting for the price up
 when it has more futures and more little risky the other Altcoin.

For me it is a bad decision. If I have 1 btc, I will invest it in different ICO. I know that many ICO today are really promising and have a great potential in the market. If I have 1 btc I will not invest it in 1 altcoin.

i know that not all ICO are scam or shitcoin but most of them are so there will be a huge risk if op will try to invest on those moreover it seems like op is a newbie.

so there is a high possibility that he will choose the wrong coin because scamcoin overpowers the serious one in numbers. now back to the question, i also agree to others

that op shouldn't go all in 1 coin if he plans to go to altcoins because i think its worth it to just keep you 1 btc. yah in other words invest on bitcoin itself.

Just like you, if I have 1 BTC i will just played in bitcoin rather than altcoin that have high risk, because based on my experience trading bitcoin relatively easier and faster to gain profit, even though bitcoin down to the base prices, the prices will rise high in quick time

"Do not keep a egg in one basket"

I've read this article, maybe it's very suitable to illustrate this question.

If one egg breaks then all the eggs will be damaged, the same thing with the trade. If you keep everything in one basket then the risk is huge. The worst risk is Cut Lose. Or you should hold for some time. You will spend a lot of time it makes you unproductive.

put in one coin was very risky. better put on some coins and it was a good decision. because when one of the coins to fall, you still have another coin.
 

Never try to invest the amount that you are not afford to lose and never try to put all of your money in one place. That should be a main thing before try to do anything like that.
Because a btc can consider as decent amount to invest in the crypto currency espcially in this time bitcoin already worth a lot.

You should never put all your eggs in one basket as it increases the risk.
So you should invest in about 4 to 5 different coins after researching and deciding which coin to invest in.

I will never do that. I will never put all my money into single coin even the founder comes to me and says it's going to be success ICO or altcoin in the near future.

Because I have considered or more or less learnt none thing, "crypto world is probability game" and you never know what is the chance of winning or loosing it. It's very uncertain about coins and should not believe in one coin only. Must go with different coin and this is the way we can decrease our risk.

Depends on how risky you can get, I would cut it in half. Half of my btc would be invested in like 4 coins and the other half would remain in btc. I won't go all in on just 1 coin, as they say; don't put all egss in one basket.

No its not a god idea to go all in and put your money in one basket. Always remember that crypto is very volatile so its best to diversify your bitcoin to have the opportunity to make more money.

the "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" saying that everyone has been repeating in he past 4 pages, one way or another, is true. but you should not just force yourself on choosing "other baskets". when it comes to altcoins all the "baskets" have holes in them and are risky the same way. spreading among multiple ones will just give you false sense of security just because you would think you have "diversified"!!!

but in fact you have only made things complicated for yourself. at least in most cases this is true.

diversification is good but when it comes to altcoins you should think twice before doing it.

for me i think so yeah i could put it in one coin
of course it comes with further studying and gathering feedbacks
so it could lessen the risk
most of all you must have trust in your judgement or else
dont go all in
its safest to invest it partially

well  whats cool is in life we have options and choices
thats the advantage in so many things
in trading you have the option to choose so its better and an advantage and stratigic
 to invest in more than just 1 coin

I agree with you that trading in Bitcoin is less risky than trading the altcoins and that can be discerned from the point of view than Bitcoin is much more capitalized than any of the altcoins and as such is able to shock absorb manipulations by whales - pump or dump relatively easier, moreover majority of Bitcoiners and investors are having strong sentiments that the price of Bitcoin has nowhere else to go than up.

Alright thanks for your advices/opinions guys.
going to closed this thread soon since it's already pretty much thoughts here, and hope some of you are actually got helped as well by the others.

i think it is depending on the investment that where are you going to invest your money. if you have a goo study about a coin and if you are sure that after investing money in bitcoin you have better chances to make money from there then you should invest your money in one coin, but still i will recommend that you should invest your money in different places and therefore no need to take any risk.

Haha! Don’t worry; no founder is going to beg you for this purpose. Good projects easily gain attentions and grab investors. But as far as putting all funds in one coin is considered, I myself will not suggest investing all funds into one coin since diversity always proves good in making big profits.

Not good. Do not put all your eggs in one basket.

IMO, you should looking for building your portfolio like 70% long term and 30% short term.

Looking for coin that has real business like OMG,
coin that has real use in real world like XRP,
or,, just pick a coin from top 10 merket cap (you can use tokenmarket.com to understand what they do).

Yeah your title says something which I do t really accept. Putting one bitcoin into other single coin would be newbie thing to do. It's impractical approach to go for trading and that will never be beneficial to do.

Always distribute your money equally or accordingly into different coins which are currently being buzzed in the market. Otherwise I'm sure you are going to loose your one bitcoin.

If don't want to take efforts of distributing your coin then please at least put it into the wallet for long storage. This will minimally give you interest for keeping there. Lols. 

I don't understand. What do you mean going all in for one coin? Are you saying to sell that one BTC and buying another coin?
I don't think that would be a good option, because I still prefer BTC to any other coins right now. If you are asking where I would invest 1 BTC (assuming I still have a lot more to hold, because like I said I would not trade all my BTC for another coin, and that's what I understood by all in), then I would probably buy ether (the other options would be ripple, or dash)

thread is closed now , many thanks guys!