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Title: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: pizza on May 22, 2013, 07:14:15 PM
Guys beware of this guys pools, he takes no measures to protect his pools from high hashrates. If you support his pools you are just killing the currency you are mining.

His pools go by the name of: *currency*pool.com

For example the pool below is almost 50% and he has done nothing to stop it, if you enjoy killing the coins that you support, support this idiot.
http://www.worldcoinpool.com/

If the same level of carelessness goes on at his pools you can only imagine you will find the same crap at his Cryptsy exchange.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: mr_random on May 22, 2013, 07:18:55 PM
Pizza is 100% right. Vern's WDC pool is almost 50% and he doesn't give a fuck that it could split the blockchain. He has a responsibility to manage the hashrate but he is greedy and only cares about his own short term profits.

Don't mine at his pool if you want WDC to have a future. In these early days because WDC has only 15 seconds per block we need to be more careful until hashpower is better distributed. I am boycotting his exchange.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: zokos on May 22, 2013, 07:20:47 PM
His pools are realy good they work great.
What he can do about price there would be someone else who will open the pool and the same thing will happen.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: mr_random on May 22, 2013, 07:21:47 PM
His pools are realy good they work great.
What he can do about price there would be someone else who will open the pool and the same thing will happen.

I really wonder about people here sometimes.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: umair140 on May 22, 2013, 07:24:23 PM
Happy wdc blockchain splitting. If this will not split now it will happen in the future. This alt coin is doomed to fail. Dont blame the pool. Blame the developer.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: pizza on May 22, 2013, 07:24:59 PM
His pools are realy good they work great.
What he can do about price there would be someone else who will open the pool and the same thing will happen.

I really wonder about people here sometimes.

User with 10 posts his pools are really good lmao. All his other pools have almost no one using them.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: hdclover on May 22, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
looking forward to 51% ... you can do it. go go go


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: zokos on May 22, 2013, 07:26:40 PM
What you can wonder about. You really think that someone else could not open the pool in its place and the same thing happens?


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: JesstersDead on May 22, 2013, 07:29:57 PM
I don't post much as this forum has better served me as a simple source of information. However, here's my 2 cents. As you are correct in your concern, seeing as how BV has responded to any issue brought to his attention both here on on the litebonk forums within an hour, I may suggest just bringing the issue to his attention directly. As you stated, Vern's pools usually have a fairly low but steady user base. As such I doubt this particular issue was on the forefront of his ToDo list. An any case, I have already notified him of a need to fix this issue. :)


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: mr_random on May 22, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
What you can wonder about. You really think that someone else could not open the pool in its place and the same thing happens?

No-one is saying close down Verns pool and open another one. We are saying he should limit new users joining so they are forced to use any other pool than his thus distributing the hash rate rather than having half the network hash in a single pool. It's quite simple.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: pizza on May 22, 2013, 07:32:42 PM
I don't post much as this forum has better served me as a simple source of information. However, here's my 2 cents. As you are correct in your concern, seeing as how BV has responded to any issue brought to his attention both here on on the litebonk forums within an hour, I may suggest just bringing the issue to his attention directly. As you stated, Vern's pools usually have a fairly low but steady user base. As such I doubt this particular issue was on the forefront of his ToDo list. An any case, I have already notified him of a need to fix this issue. :)

it written in fairly big letters to control high hashing powers, and the pool was emailed. You don't need to have someone bring this your attention where you can see your pools hashing power and network power everyday.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: chondrite on May 22, 2013, 07:42:14 PM
What you can wonder about. You really think that someone else could not open the pool in its place and the same thing happens?

No-one is saying close down Verns pool and open another one. We are saying he should limit new users joining so they are forced to use any other pool than his thus distributing the hash rate rather than having half the network hash in a single pool. It's quite simple.

It's also easy to up the fee to deter miners.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: zokos on May 22, 2013, 07:42:34 PM
That is true he should limit new users joining on his pools.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: BitJohn on May 22, 2013, 07:43:56 PM
yeah I love verns pools and they have high hashrates because they are not shite


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: riku2015 on May 22, 2013, 07:45:17 PM
it is already over 51%

Pool Hashrate: 964.89 MH/s
Network hashrate: 1568.52 MH/s


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: shakezula on May 22, 2013, 07:46:27 PM
I have no problems with his mincoinpool.com, been mining it for a few weeks now issue free.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: limbaugh on May 22, 2013, 07:48:04 PM
So this is the end of WDC?


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: BitJohn on May 22, 2013, 07:48:53 PM
I think the argument is verns pools are so good that people use them.....This is bad because his pools can get over 51% and he doesn't limit them. So lets hear from the super smart folks? If a pool has 51% or more what can the pool owner do to the network what is the risk? Im not worried about Vern's integrity if that is why we are bewaring but a good discussion on the issue should be had.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: thep33t on May 22, 2013, 07:50:13 PM
I think the argument is verns pools are so good that people use them.....This is bad because his pools can get over 51% and he doesn't limit them. So lets hear from the super smart folks? If a pool has 51% or more what can the pool owner do to the network what is the risk? Im not worried about Vern's integrity if that is why we are bewaring but a good discussion on the issue should be had.

with majority hashpower, the blockchain can be manipulated by that pool.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: JesstersDead on May 22, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
I think the argument is verns pools are so good that people use them.....This is bad because his pools can get over 51% and he doesn't limit them. So lets hear from the super smart folks? If a pool has 51% or more what can the pool owner do to the network what is the risk? Im not worried about Vern's integrity if that is why we are bewaring but a good discussion on the issue should be had.

See here: http://www.btcpedia.com/bitcoin-51-attack/


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: riku2015 on May 22, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
it is already over 51%

Pool Hashrate: 964.89 MH/s
Network hashrate: 1568.52 MH/s

it is already over 51%

Network hashrate: 1605.06 MH/s

http://www.worldcoinpool.com Pool Hashrate: 970.1 MH/s
http://wdcpool2.erundook.net Pool hashrate: 471.90 MH/s
http://wdcpool.erundook.net Pool hashrate: 472.74 MH/s



Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: jasonslow on May 22, 2013, 07:54:23 PM
There is a very high possibility of blockchain splitting even @ 40% hashrate.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: pizza on May 22, 2013, 08:02:19 PM
it is already over 51%

Pool Hashrate: 964.89 MH/s
Network hashrate: 1568.52 MH/s

it is already over 51%

Network hashrate: 1605.06 MH/s

http://www.worldcoinpool.com Pool Hashrate: 970.1 MH/s
http://wdcpool2.erundook.net Pool hashrate: 471.90 MH/s
http://wdcpool.erundook.net Pool hashrate: 472.74 MH/s



hashrate is almost 2gh


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: pizza on May 22, 2013, 08:04:14 PM
This coin is doomed.  If it has the possibility to split with only ~1800mh/s, what will happen if it grew to 10,000mh/s -- it would fork constantly.  It's a bad design and doesn't have a developer, someone just cut/pasted it together from litecoin src.  The github account was created on 14 May.  It's a complete scam, milk it for what you can -- but don't invest in it.

uhh if it grew it would only become better lol


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: Taxidermista on May 22, 2013, 08:05:07 PM
That pool was over 65% best part of the day.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: TheSwede75 on May 22, 2013, 08:05:50 PM
His pools are realy good they work great.
What he can do about price there would be someone else who will open the pool and the same thing will happen.

Take notice people. This is what happens when you comment without knowing your ass from a hole in the ground.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: JesstersDead on May 22, 2013, 08:06:01 PM
This coin is doomed.  If it has the possibility to split with only ~1800mh/s, what will happen if it grew to 10,000mh/s -- it would fork constantly.  It's a bad design and doesn't have a developer, someone just cut/pasted it together from litecoin src.  The github account was created on 14 May.  It's a complete scam, milk it for what you can -- but don't invest in it.

MH/S are irrelevant. The problem lies in the fact that the majority of the MH's are concentrated on a single pool. 10,000 mh/s spread across a lot of pools would be fantastic for the coin.... o_O


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: TheSwede75 on May 22, 2013, 08:06:22 PM
Well that coins is dead for sure then.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: mr_random on May 22, 2013, 08:08:16 PM
This coin is doomed.  If it has the possibility to split with only ~1800mh/s, what will happen if it grew to 10,000mh/s -- it would fork constantly.  It's a bad design and doesn't have a developer, someone just cut/pasted it together from litecoin src.  The github account was created on 14 May.  It's a complete scam, milk it for what you can -- but don't invest in it.

uhh if it grew it would only become better lol

You don't no shit.

The network hashrate size is irrelevant. It's the ditribution of the hash. It's not good for any coin to have a pool with a huge amount of hash power, but for a coin with 15 second blocks the limit should really be 30-35% max of the network hashrate. Now go back to school and leave the real talk to the adults with money.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: Kyune on May 22, 2013, 08:12:27 PM
Happy wdc blockchain splitting. If this will not split now it will happen in the future. This alt coin is doomed to fail. Dont blame the pool. Blame the developer.

+1


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: Hydroponica on May 22, 2013, 08:18:29 PM
I don't think he intentionally let it get that way. His has rate has stayed relatively the same, it's the global hashrate that has fallen. Users could also recognize this, and move themselves. 2 or 3 bigger farms moving could rectify this rather quickly


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: bigvern on May 24, 2013, 04:32:48 AM
Hey Guys,

I was generally hoping that the hashrate would be a temporary spike and that other pools would open up or people jump to the next coin.

A 51% attack takes 2 things to happen:

1. Must have control of over 51% - which the pool did indeed have
2. Malicious intend of the person in control of that 51% - which indeed I DO NOT have. 

I have never, and will never even attempt to break a chain.  Period.

That being said, I certainly do have some programming to do in order to prevent the next big pool from doing this all over again.

BigVern


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: fenican on May 24, 2013, 04:41:12 AM
I recently opened up a 0% fee p2pool for WDC seems to be working properly:

http://107.20.187.147:9500/static/

Same basic configuration, minus the fee, of the DGC pool I've been running for days:

http://54.227.253.120:9500/static/

Would love to have some more traffic on the WDC one.  Never hurts to spread out the bandwidth some.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: Oldminer on May 28, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
ANNOUNCE:

0% WDC mining fees now @ http://wdc.epools.org/

Just kicked off 4 vid cards mining on this pool and so far I have 340 accepts & 2 rejects... ;D


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: 6strings on May 28, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
thanks for letting us know. I must say the folks behind WDC are sure on the ball. I'd have to say is the most and best supported coin out there. Glad I got in early.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: pjheinz on May 28, 2013, 11:48:27 AM
There are now several pools offering 0% fees 2 of which are aprox 500Mhash .. please move some miners out of the big pool.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: digitalindustry on May 28, 2013, 12:09:58 PM
told you guys - only their own spamcoins don't get attacked ,  i know WDC was not a Senior BTC member development .

but it was kinda crazy with the blockchain and the yeah yeah  ! ?

was it meant to be a long term thing ? Well i have no comment .


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: digitalindustry on May 28, 2013, 12:12:57 PM
thanks for letting us know. I must say the folks behind WDC are sure on the ball. I'd have to say is the most and best supported coin out there. Glad I got in early.


man.. they walked , can't you see that?  , they moved onto Luckycoin, i made the name up FFs lol .

oh well.

you guys like music?

Remember the Lyric "One time a thing occurred to me , what's real and what’s for sale."

 


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: kr4x on May 28, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
Big Verns service is always top notch!


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: Eric Rye on May 28, 2013, 12:42:51 PM
Big Vern's pools get such high hashrates because they work properly. If you want other pools to get a decent share of the hashrate, make some that aren't shit. The dontmine.me pools were good too, but they are no more.


Title: Re: Beware Of BigVerns Pools and Cryptsy.
Post by: 6strings on May 28, 2013, 01:01:42 PM
http://wdcpool.erundook.net/ is a great pool. thats what i use.