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Title: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: supercops on August 30, 2017, 03:08:33 PM
https://s26.postimg.org/e7q1ldwa1/ip.bitcointalk.org.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://medium.com/@amuse/how-the-nsa-caught-satoshi-nakamoto-868affcef595

So they finally say they have caught the elusive Satoshi Nakamoto. :-\

Excerpt from source material of Time magazine:
"The ‘creator’ of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto, is the world’s most elusive billionaire. Very few people outside of the Department of Homeland.."

Do you think they really caught him after the whole Craig Wright debacle last year and the old guy from Japan known as the face of the surprised as hell Nakamoto.

Weight in your thoughts.

We would all like to know your opinion on the subject. ;D


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: OmegaStarScream on August 30, 2017, 03:30:51 PM
There are a lot of theories regarding the U.S government catching Satoshi Nakamoto since the days he was communicating with Gavin but honestly, even though the writer of this blog article is 'famous', I can't take a word seriously unless he post some proof which he didn't. He also didn't state when this actually happened but If it was recent, who knows, wikileaks may publish something in the future.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: supercops on August 30, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
They said with in a month they will release who it truly is.
And now with the thing with alot of movement with coins which have not moved since they were deposited over 7 years ago. It is no doubt they have got their man/woman and will reveal who they really are soon if not later than this date they have given to do so.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: bitart on August 30, 2017, 03:49:52 PM
I bet that if they really succeed to identify the real Satoshi, it will be a real secret. Maybe Satoshi himself will not notice that he has been identified, and they won't put it into the news...
Anyway, it's another article to talk about bitcoin and crytocurrencies, it's free marketing for bitcoin :)


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: Pab on August 30, 2017, 04:11:06 PM
NSA = Satoshi Nakamoto SA now you know,he is hidden nsa worker,but thay are not able to find him


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: Dudeperfect on August 30, 2017, 04:15:26 PM
This topic is already on board and we have some interesting opinions about this one.

* How the NSA caught Satoshi Nakamoto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2125190.msg21226543).

I am not sure this is an authentic way of finding someone or not but I found this interesting.

"By taking Satoshi’s texts and finding the 50 most common words, the NSA was able to break down his text into 5,000-word chunks and analyse each to find the frequency of those 50 words."

* How the NSA caught Satoshi Nakamoto (https://medium.com/@amuse/how-the-nsa-caught-satoshi-nakamoto-868affcef595).

I am very sceptical about this kind of research/investigation. What's your take on this? Do you think we can find out real Satoshi with such method?

I heard about such method for the first time and we can call it some kind of next version of handwriting experts who identify the writing style and pattern of the writer.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: aoluain on August 30, 2017, 04:21:16 PM
https://s26.postimg.org/e7q1ldwa1/ip.bitcointalk.org.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://medium.com/@amuse/how-the-nsa-caught-satoshi-nakamoto-868affcef595

So they finally say they have caught the elusive Satoshi Nakamoto. :-\

Excerpt from source material of Time magazine:
"The ‘creator’ of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto, is the world’s most elusive billionaire. Very few people outside of the Department of Homeland.."

Do you think they really caught him after the whole Craig Wright debacle last year and the old guy from Japan known as the face of the surprised as hell Nakamoto.

Weight in your thoughts.

We would all like to know your opinion on the subject. ;D

They said with in a month they will release who it truly is. :D

pfffft, i'll believe it when I read it on every newspaper front page
hear it on every radio news bulletin and see images of him.

Im not sure that that "stylometry" thing would actually lead them
to an actual person's whereabouts anyway.

and why 1 month ?


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: electronicash on August 30, 2017, 04:29:43 PM
I bet that if they really succeed to identify the real Satoshi, it will be a real secret. Maybe Satoshi himself will not notice that he has been identified, and they won't put it into the news...
Anyway, it's another article to talk about bitcoin and crytocurrencies, it's free marketing for bitcoin :)

that would be too good. people are greedy, if they are looking for him then they must want something from him. not just 3O minute exclusive interview but the million BTC that satoshi was keeping for several years which is worth the death of trump.

if they knew satoshi, they will present him on the media like a criminal and will even crucify him for releasing a kraken to bury the old economy.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: Ucy on August 30, 2017, 04:32:05 PM
Disrespectful words "caught" should not have been used on a well respected person as Satoshi. Says a lot about the intention of those "looking for him".  So annoying to be frank.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: HabBear on August 30, 2017, 04:33:26 PM
There's a difference between discovering Satoshi's identity and "catching" Satoshi.

Which is it? Are you claiming the US has Satoshi in custody? I highly doubt that.

As for knowing his identity, it has to be possible to find out. The NSA would have to start with metadata attached to the white paper and perhaps email or forum records. He left a trail on this forum, IP addresses and such (even if using TOR).


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: Lionidas on August 30, 2017, 04:38:25 PM
There's a difference between discovering Satoshi's identity and "catching" Satoshi.

Which is it? Are you claiming the US has Satoshi in custody? I highly doubt that.

As for knowing his identity, it has to be possible to find out. The NSA would have to start with metadata attached to the white paper and perhaps email or forum records. He left a trail on this forum, IP addresses and such (even if using TOR).
Okay. Caught maybe the wrong word to use and should of been not referring satoshi as a pokemon to be caught.
Alright they have Discovered the identity of Mr.Nakamoto.

They mention about "fingerprint" so this might be the way they discovered him to be the founder of bitcoin.
A fingerprint can be left either intentional or by accident in the code he created or the whitepaper he wrote.

It is also mentioned it will be revealed to the world in a months time.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: Iranus on August 30, 2017, 04:42:38 PM
When you have a famed billionaire who is respected by many thousands of people, most of which want to find out who they are, there's obviously going to be a lot of people exploiting the hype by creating lies and clickbait.

Clearly this article is bullshit.  The author has absolutely no evidence for the claims he's making.

Satoshi was hardly an idiot.  It's not like they would spend years working on a massive innovation and put lots of effort into staying pseudonymous but fail to understand what stylometry is.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: greeklogos on August 30, 2017, 04:45:56 PM
They said with in a month they will release who it truly is. :D
So the results of who is Satoshi Nakomoto is going to be in a month only or I should to believe that it is some miliarder already? I am a little bit confused ???


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: Koadharber on August 30, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
There's a difference between discovering Satoshi's identity and "catching" Satoshi.

Which is it? Are you claiming the US has Satoshi in custody? I highly doubt that.

As for knowing his identity, it has to be possible to find out. The NSA would have to start with metadata attached to the white paper and perhaps email or forum records. He left a trail on this forum, IP addresses and such (even if using TOR).
Okay. Caught maybe the wrong word to use and should of been not referring satoshi as a pokemon to be caught.
Alright they have Discovered the identity of Mr.Nakamoto.

They mention about "fingerprint" so this might be the way they discovered him to be the founder of bitcoin.
A fingerprint can be left either intentional or by accident in the code he created or the whitepaper he wrote.

It is also mentioned it will be revealed to the world in a months time.
That fingerprint means that it is basing on the actual writing which they can able to trace it out even on how you do write which it is really like a fingerprint. The thing that worries me that government could really able to find a certain person if they want to by just accessing all the possible places even on social medias,emails or any other things which is essential to their investigation.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: tamalweb on August 30, 2017, 05:39:43 PM
Yes, "caught" is a bad word. He/she is not a criminal for inventing a technology. They found him with typing recognition sounds phony to me. Even if he was found so what? I think it will be a huge event in the crypto world.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: xFiber on August 30, 2017, 05:55:24 PM
I love how they put "Man of the year" on the cover right above satoshi nakamoto's head. I find it very funny they used that phrase because I believe the blockchain technology he invented is far more important than just the title of "man of the year". "Man/woman of the decade/century" would be more fitting in my opinion.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: BitcoinSupremo on August 30, 2017, 06:00:55 PM
There's a difference between discovering Satoshi's identity and "catching" Satoshi.

Which is it? Are you claiming the US has Satoshi in custody? I highly doubt that.

As for knowing his identity, it has to be possible to find out. The NSA would have to start with metadata attached to the white paper and perhaps email or forum records. He left a trail on this forum, IP addresses and such (even if using TOR).

I really doubt a man of such intelligence to have left a trail in this forum or the emails he has been exchanging back at 2009-2010. With Tails OS and TOR browser you really don't leave any proof except an IP which can be for example a University in South Africa or a place alike. This doesn't say a lot about how to find him and it is nothing as a start for people who want to search for him. I think we should leave him alone if this is what he wanted by clearly expressing that "he moved on to other things in life" and he is sure Bitcoin will have a bright future with the people he left it at.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: Karartma1 on August 30, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Finding Satoshi's real identity is like having an all time high from time to time.  They will always try to find Satoshi.
I personally hope he was able to hide himself for good.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: frenkki on August 30, 2017, 06:03:29 PM
is this for real or just fake news?


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: HabBear on August 30, 2017, 06:04:56 PM
is this for real or just fake news?

Disrespectful words "caught" should not have been used on a well respected person as Satoshi. Says a lot about the intention of those "looking for him".  So annoying to be frank.

To be clear, the only person that used the word "caught" is the original poster here...it's not mentioned anywhere in the article or as a quote from the NSA. So, frank, your annoyance is with the guy that started this thread.

As for the Medium article...it's fluff. There's no substance, no confirmation, no definitive answers. It's click bait. The only interest component is the idea that ones identity could be revealed based on comparing thousands of text samples. The author of the Medium article states"his contact at the NSA" has claimed this is how the NSA knows who Satoshi is...but of course no one is saying anything on the record.

It's fluff. Even if the NSA knows, if they won't tells they know or they won't tell us who Satoshi is, this is just pointless prose.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: BullCreek on August 30, 2017, 06:07:37 PM
this is an opinion piece. its always been speculated satoshi was a group of begrudged NSA contracters.  This is just someone spouting off. There is no reason for Satoshi to be relieved. It was ruin the game.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: audaciousbeing on August 30, 2017, 06:12:44 PM
Anyone who care to read that article will have no doubt to agree that its mere misleading topic and nothing more and its also a proclamation of a particular method the NSA is using and how effective it could be and not a single report on someone they have been able to identify the method with. I believe if NSA did find Satoshi, they would definitely not release their method to the public not only would it affect them, but also create a weakness for someone to exploit.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: Tszunami98 on August 30, 2017, 06:42:16 PM
There are a few things off with this article. First of all is he wanted or something? And how could they find him...really. I think of course that this is just another clickbait material of this magazine to generate some profit. I can imagine them in the office thinking about what to lie next... I hope they never find him so he could enjoy his life...he did his part by contributing to human evolution and making the lives better for so many people. Thank you again Mister Satoshi Nakamoto!


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: dvy on August 30, 2017, 06:44:05 PM
Fake, its like dread pirate roberts thing... ;D


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: HabBear on August 30, 2017, 07:56:29 PM
There are a few things off with this article. First of all is he wanted or something? And how could they find him...really.

Of course he's not wanted, but if Bitcoin causes some turmoil in the economy or society you can bet that every Federal agency is going to want to talk to him, maybe accuse him, prosecute him.

How could they find him? Every person on the planet that uses a computer leaves digital fingerprints in their world. All somone needs to do is find a name. It sounds like you didn't read the article. They can use the taxonomy and word choice and writing style in the White Paper and posts on this forum and elsewhere that have been made in his name to create a signature of writing style. They can then apply that to the database of documents and such that exist online. The only way that anyone could dodge that search is A) if they have very few writing samples online, or B) they've maintained anonymous presence online for their entire use of the web.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: supercops on August 30, 2017, 08:04:26 PM
is this for real or just fake news?

Disrespectful words "caught" should not have been used on a well respected person as Satoshi. Says a lot about the intention of those "looking for him".  So annoying to be frank.

To be clear, the only person that used the word "caught" is the original poster here...it's not mentioned anywhere in the article or as a quote from the NSA. So, frank, your annoyance is with the guy that started this thread.

As for the Medium article...it's fluff. There's no substance, no confirmation, no definitive answers. It's click bait. The only interest component is the idea that ones identity could be revealed based on comparing thousands of text samples. The author of the Medium article states"his contact at the NSA" has claimed this is how the NSA knows who Satoshi is...but of course no one is saying anything on the record.

It's fluff. Even if the NSA knows, if they won't tells they know or they won't tell us who Satoshi is, this is just pointless prose.
Annoyance? I posted the acticle. I did not write it. ::)

I did say caught because that is what the NSA is doing. When you chase something that has eluded your organization for so long, you are going to catch them thus caught is the proper term to use.
I give no apologizes for the word I use there.
You think the governments that are chasing Julian Assange is not wanting to catch him as well?

If I did not post then you would not know about their current find on the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto and the CATCHING of him and REVEALING him for everybody to know who he truly is.

Thanks for reading and making your own assumptions.
Shows your relevance to the subject in trying to uncover who he really is.
As this FACT has eluded everybody on the forums and the entire world thus far! ;)


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: Erowind on August 30, 2017, 08:17:12 PM
When Satoshi himself comes out of the dark and makes a statement, while providing proof that he is actually Satoshi I'll believe it. Anyone can claim to be Satoshi especially with state backing. I mean the Chinese government backs a fake Dali Lama.


Title: Re: How the NSA identified Satoshi Nakamoto
Post by: supercops on August 31, 2017, 02:24:42 PM
When Satoshi himself comes out of the dark and makes a statement, while providing proof that he is actually Satoshi I'll believe it. Anyone can claim to be Satoshi especially with state backing. I mean the Chinese government backs a fake Dali Lama.

I do now think they have him in custody and found their man with an end to their "Chase"!

How can so many bitcoins be moved all the sudden when they were not touched? They are old coins. Unmoved from before segwit happened less than a week ago but happening less than 2 days ago.
https://blockchain.info/tx/4b60dc9cd051f4489420018bf52ead4f1f1377b0e0b4f2bc552f31b2649230ab

I bet the NSA or who ever has him their custody has made him move them just to show as proof when they are ready to make their official announcement and gave within a month time frame as the release of this information to be revealed to the global awareness.

Read more about the movement of 3000 bitcoins here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2134677