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I see that there was a real problem with Reality Clash - Bounty Promotion Program and I suggest to understand it. link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028934.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028934.0)

As I understand that the problem was such:
1. Conditions of the bounty campaign have been announced and members the bounty campaign have completely executed.
2. Members the bounty campaign within a month wear(carried) signatures of Reality Clash.
3. Reality Clash changed manager of the bounty campaign.
4. Members the bounty campaign asked question to new bounty manager, will he change rules(Conditions) of the bounty campaign or not, he answered NOT.
5. One week later he change rule and all participants of the bounty campaign have to perform additional work again. But at that time at most of participants work has been already completely performed.

What do you think about that?
My opinion it is SCAM. I think bounty manager just did that Reality Clash told him what he need to do.
My opinion if participants of the bounty campaign already have done 25% of task bounty manager must not change rule. Bounty manager may change rule only for new participants of the bounty campaign and for those participants who hasn't performed 25% of a task yet.

I want we are tougether resolve this problem.
I want the same situations never happens again.

This is not the right section for discussing scams or scam accusations. You should move this thread to: Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0). There's an option to do that in the lower left corner of the screen when viewing this thread.

If you've claimed/joined the bounty with predetermined rules/conditions, and you've completed said conditions then you have earned whatever was *promised* at the time. Changing these conditions afterwards is shady at best / an outright scam.

It is a truthful situation which has happened to this bounty campaign with me and many another participants of this bounty campaign. I also want administration of this forum know about that.
I think that the manager bounty campaign deceives us and will pay bounty only the friends.
I have written 50 posts and he says that now I should write 30 more posts after he has changed conditions, isn't cheating?

Lauda, I am glad that you already know about a problem.

If somebody else hasn't understood what happened that I try to explain.
Imagine that you in a supermarket have paid purchase and at the exit you are stopped by the security guard and speaks pay another 60% or I will take away your purchase. That is what has happened in this bounty campaign.

Lauda, I hope you involve with a dispute and you will help us to resolve our problem peacefully.

I wrote 50+ messages in this signature campaign and fulfilled all the initial conditions, and now I'm forced to write 30 more messages in english and marked in spreadsheets as rejected. English is not my native language and this change of conditions is very hard for me.

Is this the only thing that has changed? To be exact: Initially it was specified that you had to write 50 posts. Sometime since those conditions were accepted, they have increased them by another 30? Anything else?

Start by compiling a list of accounts related to the projects. With accounts I mean everyone, bounty manager, owners, developers, etc., and post that list here. I will tag everyone after verifying this story.

Why I rejected most of the participants?

As a campaign manager, it's my prime duty to reject participants who are posting crap/ spammy posts and making this forum garbage. I rejected most of the people because of their posts made in only one child board, like local altcoin cryptocurrency section, saying, this is a great currency. Hope it go to the moon, when bounty going to distribute etc etc. So to give to all those rejected participants a chance i had to make this rule. Its not end of the campaign, still a month remaining so you can make at least 30 quality posts to be get accepted again. Actually, we have the right to change the rule at the start of the campaign, or after few days for the sake of this forum. Company owner paying nice rewards and what they get from you, posts in one board? Where did we mention that you can make all post in one board? Where did we mention that you can make all 50 posts in few days after campaign launch? Its still a month remaining you have already did the complete task?

No, you do not have that right if it affects people who have already accepted the *contract* under different terms. You can change it for new participants, but not for the existing ones without essentially scamming them.

Relevance?

Where did you mention that they can't?

Relevance?

Update#1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028934.0)
Initially the conditions were loyal to messages in local branches, strictly speaking there was no restriction to write in English. I believe that the forum will turn into a garbage just by starting to write in English with the help of Google translator, how we are forced to make changes to the rules. We coped well with the task of promoting the project, which proves good pre-ICO.

So you are saying i should accept all the spammers? Who is posting crap, what should i do to them?

Ok, I will delete that rule, BUT will permanently reject all those participants who didn't follow this already mentioned rules

Dear manager, where in the old rules it was mentioned that I can not write in the local forum? Such a rule did not exist.

No. I have not even remotely implied that.

Kick them from the campaign after review.

Again, what you fail to understand is that: You can make such modifications but for new participants. The existing ones should be treated according to the ruleset which they signed up with. Additionally, you could add a transition period where they would get paid for 1 round (if applicable) and would need to adhere to the changed rules for the following round. However, I do not believe that said campaign will run for too long thus I don't see this being a possibility (unless you have a weekly payout or something).

Hi guys!

irfan_pak10 changed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028934.msg21310676#msg21310676) the rules for Reality Clash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028934.0).
And irfan_pak10 similarly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1989333.msg20920890#msg20920890) changed the rules for RIVETZ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1989333.0).

What is situation now for Reality Clash?
irfan_pak10 really canceled rules about local thread?

ppl write anything on the local board because they know bounty manager does not speak their languages.And you cant pay someone that only write : are you a blonde?

more fair rules is 20 local post 30 english board
Why must english board ? Because you need quality post and knowledge not just for bounty.

if you think of me as a spammer on local board please give me Proof , because I have question for you on tread bounty RCC but not answer.






and there were also protests about your new rules




I just want you answer my question , of you reject me ,please give me proof if I'am spammer on local board or my post not constructiv  
Thanks for your attention.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that he's a scammer, yet at least.

Interesting. As said, sudden rule changes should optimally not apply for existing participants until the end of a period.

As a campaign manager he reserves the right to kick you out for that if he think that you are one. He does not have to post any kind of *proof*. You might think that he could abuse his position this way, well any manager can. However, their career would be short lived and their rep. probably red.

I hope this problem is complete and there is no conflict anymore .
And for irfan manager you can give proof to them, which you reject .
so that all clear and no misunderstanding .. Because many are confused with the new rules you make .
if you do not provide concrete proof, your reputation will definitely slowly down

You've got the right idea and I respect that, but Lauda has a good point.

I think what you should do is ban these people--permanently--for shitposting in poor english.  I have no doubt that's what they're doing.  OR, next time create your own bounty/campaign rules and don't allow those things you're accusing them of doing.  At least you realize how bad their posting is and want to do something about it.

if he abuses authority as manager, then does he make rules for participants only limited to regulation ?
if that's the case, it's a shame. this is not the right way to make him more famous.

Do you mean if bounty manager will do revenge for participants of bounty campaign who was disagree that rule was changed and he will not pay bounty them that career of bounty manager will permanent broken? I hope irfan_pak10 will not try to do revenge us.

but such a decision can not simply be approved by all members! let alone the irfan_pak10 handle this project only half way so he has no right to do anything like this.
when everyone has been participating for such a long time he suddenly comes and takes over the project with the wrong decision.he became a campaign manager but he should not act unilaterally like this, and I strongly agree that the RCC project is indeed a SCAM.

I agree that rcc scam because irfan_pak10 acts arbitrarily, he creates a new rule unilaterally and he rejects everyone without considering it first, eg before he becomes rcc manager, dirules allows posting on local then he comes and rejects everyone

Hello, i'm Russian local board moderator. Please next time contact me to be sure who writes crap and who does not before you doing such unfair decisions.
By the way crap basically in off-topic section (Paзнoe (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=18.0)), not in altcoin subforum.

I want say bounty manager may have an interest do not pay to anybody that is why bounty manager must not estimate quality of posts, he must only count number of posts and count length of every post and thats it. Quality of posts must estimate only moderators. I want say xandry as moderator always clean our local board, I know it because if I quote spam or crap he always delete my post with quotation and ofcourse delete an original post too.

I participate in the company from the very beginning (a whole month). Changing the rules of the company after such a period will not add reputation to your team.

I'm an investor in rivetz. But a bounty manager Irfan_pak10 had changed the rules in the middle of a company and it tarnished the project. Take action please.

It is very good proposal, bounty manager must not estimate quality of posts. We(our local community) afraid bounty manager's revenge while bounty distribution or next time in another bounty campaign.

i have a question, is Bitconnect a scam? it seems weird the amount of money that they pay you, where do they get it from?

Even if its not a scam, still a terrible idea for the ICO. Staying away regardless.

I participated in their signature campaign and had no problems. Despite the current low price ($0.07008), I expect this project to have long legs moving forward. I am holding onto my tokens.

It looks like scam. And i think , that we can fight with it if every ICO project will provide audit and show documents to their investors and then they will be sure that projects is honest and transparent. What do you think?

It is unfortunate that there was conflict during this period. But it is quite ridiculous to call any project a 'scam' because of confusion over the bounty campaign rules...

We're building the game that we promised we would build. Follow our progress at: https://realityclash.com