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Title: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on May 23, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
This thread aims to provide a centralized marketplace for buyers and sellers of limited edition Casascius coins. Postings with buy or sell offers will remain persistently. To keep the thread lean and transaction-focused, I'll try to clean up conversational posts from time to time.  My intent is to keep this intro up to date for a quick overview of historical price trends, along with a listing of current buyers and sellers.  Look to the posts below to find the offer(s) that give you what you're looking for. The start of the thread will have historically important conversational posts. The end of the thread will contain current market offerings, while also allowing for collectible- or transaction-based conversation.

Here's how I think the breakout and classification works.  If I've gotten anything wrong, please let me know.

Casascius Bitcoin Analyzer (http://casascius.uberbills.com/) separates items by Version 1 and Version 2. Version 1 displayes Series 1 coins, with Version 2 displaying the remainder.

Series 1 stickers are those having the CASACIUS misspelling repeating in the background of the holograph.
Series 2 stickers and beyond do not have the holo error.  These coins are identifiable by address notation (https://casascius.com/fulllist.txt).
A small number have windowed labels, the remainder are identifiable by address notation.
Series 3 stickers represent 2013 releases, also identifiable by address notation.

Listing Notation

() items are optional
[] items are required

(Year) [Denomination] [Alloy] (Format) [Series] [Grade]


Year: Optional, coins are not categorized by year, rather by series. Never hurts to include.
Denominations: 0.1, 0.5, 1, 5, 10, 25, 100, 500, 1000. Inclusion of 'BTC' is optional.
Alloy: Brass, Gold, and Silver.
Format: Coin or bar. Coin is assumed, with bars only made for 100, 500, and 1000.
Series: S1, S2, and S3 - Sticker Series 1, 2, or 3.
Grade: NG for not graded, or an ANACS MS-xx grading, such as MS-63. NG is optional for Bar Format.

Put that all together, then add a buy price, a sell price, or both.
Your listing can link to your thread offering its sale.

[Listing] (Buy Price) (Sell Price)

Mintage and Historical Sales Data

Denomination Total Mintage # Still Active Highest Known Sale BTC Premium BTC Multiplier
1 Brass S1 NG 3615  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=1&ver=1) 3615  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=1&ver=1&status=active)54.05.0
1 Brass S1 MS-64--87.08.0
1 Brass S1 MS-65--87.08.0
1 Brass S1 MS-66--1514.015.0
1 Brass S1 MS-67--50 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256980.0)49.050.0
1 Brass S2 MS-63--2.33 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695984.msg7991408#msg7991408)1.332.33
1 Brass S2 MS-64--2.33 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695984.msg7991408#msg7991408)1.332.33
1 Brass S2 MS-65--2.33 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695984.msg7991408#msg7991408)1.332.33
0.5 Silver S3 w/ S2 Holo MS-6445 (http://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/status-on-silver-coins-july-23/)45 (http://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/status-on-silver-coins-july-23/)13.5 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623050.msg8299691#msg8299691)13.027.0
1 Silver S3 solid MS-671300 (http://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/remainder-of-1btc-silver-coins-now-have-gold-plating/)?3.0 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464094.0)2.03.0
1 Silver S3 Gold "B" MS-67700 (http://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/remainder-of-1btc-silver-coins-now-have-gold-plating/)?3.5 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464094.0)2.53.5
5 Brass S1 NG 677  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=5&ver=1) 608  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=5&ver=1&status=active)7.5 (private)2.41.48
5 Brass S2 MS-65 574  (http://casascius.uberbills.com/?type=5&ver=2) 455  (http://casascius.uberbills.com/?type=5&status=active&ver=2)(private) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695984.msg8123645#msg8123645)??
10 Silver S2 NG 447  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=10&ver=1) 407  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=10&ver=1&status=active)25 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180519)15.02.50
25 Brass S1 NG 345  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=25&ver=1) 201  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=25&ver=1&status=active)40.83 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191279.0)15.831.63
25 Brass S2 NG 486  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=25&ver=2) 364  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=25&ver=2&status=active)(private)--
100 Brass Bar S1 57  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=100&ver=1) 17  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=100&ver=1&status=active)340 (private)2403.4
100 Brass Bar S2 86  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=100&ver=2) 57  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=100&ver=2&status=active)None known
500 Brass Bar S1 2  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=500) 1  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=500&status=active)None known
500 Brass Bar S1 - Opened 2  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=500) 1  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=500&status=opened)None yet
1000 Brass Bar S1 16  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=1000) 2  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=1000&status=active)None known
1000 Brass Bar S1 - Opened 16  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=1000) 13  (http://96.35.127.219/casascius/?type=1000&status=opened)None yet
1000 Gold Coin S1 5 3 1250 *a2501.25

Details

1. Please make your offerings using the same table format shown in the Posting Buy and Sell Prices section.
2. Prices assume coins that were immediately transferred to safe storage upon receipt. If your coins are in a different condition from that, please note that in your posting.
3. Please state whether your listed prices are firm or negotiable. If unstated, the assumption will be that prices are firm.
4. Once you've gotten your order filled or are no longer interested, kindly remove your posting(s) to keep thing tidy. If you're willing to add data to the marketplace,
get back to me with the sale price, and whether to record it as a private transaction, or to include the identity of the seller. Having a verifiable seller adds trust to the reported number, and might help generate interest in your holding, too.


Current Buyers

Chainsaw - primarily holo errors (S1), but open to all
coco23 - 1 BTC w/ error
ffssixtynine - 1, 5, 25 BTC w/ errors
arvicco - All 1+ BTC coins, with and without errors
steelboy - All 1+ BTC coins, with and without errors
hawkix - 10 BTC w/ gold B
molecular - no current offerings

Current Sellers

Chainsaw - Brass S1 MS-65/66 in denominations of 1, 5, 25, and 100.
Chaang Noi (Goat) - all collectibles available
runderwo - 1 BTC holo errors (multiple gradings), 25 BTC S1 MS-62
coretechs - 5x 1 BTC holo error
SgtSpike - no current offerings
nightowlace - 0.5, 1 BTC w/ errors, 1 BTC without errors
Chainsaw - graded holo errors
Johnniewalker – multiple, rotating inventory

Log of Holo Error / Collectible Coin Transactions

Where links exist, the transaction was done publicly, with a known buyer and seller. In other cases, transactions were conducted privately, or the buyer or seller has requested anonymity.

DenominationSale Price (BTC)Seller
5 Brass S2 MS-65private (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695984.msg8123645#msg8123645)justbtcme
2011 S2 Brass MS-63, MS-64, MS-65, 2011 S1 MS-63 - lot purchase10.0 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695984.msg7991408#msg7991408)justbtcme
1 Silver S3 MS-673.0SgtSpike (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464094.0)
1 Silver S3 Gold "B" MS-673.5SgtSpike (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464094.0)
0.5 silver S3 w/ S2 holo MS-6413.5nubbins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78483)
0.5 silver S3 w/ S2 holo NG6nubbins (confirmed by SaltySpitoon, escrow)
0.5 silver S3 w/ S2 holo NG5.5nubbins (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78483)
1 Brass S1 NG3 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=329340)twmz
1 Brass S1 NG4.5 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=315966.0)austin
1 Brass S1 NG4.5DM90 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=109086)
1 Brass S1 MS-648SgtSpike (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10502)
1 Brass S1 MS-658Nightowlace (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=94720)
1 Brass S1 MS-6615SgtSpike (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10502)
1 Brass S1 MS-67 (first-day)50 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256980.0)SgtSpike
5 Brass S1 NG7.4private
5 Brass S1 NG7.5 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=329340)twmz
10 Brass S2? Gold-painted B NG25 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180519)StarenseN
100 Brass Bar S1340Chainsaw (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=89959)
1000 Gold Coin S11250 *1Goat (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44233)

Special Notes (as indicated by an asterisk and number, above)

a) The 1000 BTC coin was exchanged when Bitcoin held a spot value of ~ $800, and sold for $1,000,000. The buyer paid in a mix of fiat, BTC, and gold. For normalization purposes, I converted this to the BTC value.

PM me or post details of other graded holo errors if you care to, and I will gladly add them.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error ("Casacius") Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on October 25, 2013, 04:01:15 PM
I've now sold about as many collectible pieces as I intend to at their current prices.  No current offerings at this time. I'll update here accordingly if and when that changes.


Prices: Negotiable. I'm also potentially interested in barter rather than strictly spot-BTC-for-collectible exchanges.

I'm about maxed on inventory, but for the right price could still make a few purchases. PM if you're considering a sale and looking for a buyer, though I'm mostly focused on slow, long-term sales at this point as the market continues to mature.

11/11/13 Update: Beginning slow price descent on offerings. Sorry for the tedious process, but the core aim is in establishing market prices for new collectibles. Being first has disadvantages in that the price could be very wrong. I want to help find proper prices for these coins, but not at the expense of depleting my inventory only to find out the initial prices were too low.


Denomination Buy Price Sell Price
1 BTC Brass S1 [NG] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336687)- 5 5.5
1 BTC Brass S1 [MS-65] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333917)-6.5 9 7 8 9 10
1 BTC Brass S1 [MS-66] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333915)-13.5 20 14 16 17 18 20
5 BTC Brass S1 [MS-65] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333914)-11 12 14 15 16 18 20
25 BTC Brass S1 [MS-65] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333913.0)-55 60 70 85 75 80 82 85 90 100
100 BTC Brass Bar S1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333911.0)-300
350 400 340 349 360 400 420 450 500[/td]
[/tr]

[/table]

Likely for long-term storage, but for sale at the right price:
-A redemeed 1000 BTC bar with holo error.
-A set of Beta BitBills (1, 5, 10, 20 BTC) - predecessors to the Casascius coins. Most mintages in the low hundreds.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error ("Casacius") Marketplace
Post by: SgtSpike on November 06, 2013, 02:09:07 AM
------Denomination------ Buy Price Sell Price
1 BTC – MS-66 (Oct) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256980.0)-15
1 BTC – MS-67 (1st day) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256980.0)-60
The MS67 first-day coin has been sold for 50 BTC. Payment has been received, and I will be shipping it shortly. The buyer may choose to reveal himself at his discretion.

For now, my other coin is off the market, as I'd like to keep at least one.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: ixne on November 17, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
Is there any chance we can get this thread sticky'ed? It does encapsulate a lot of what is going on throughout this subforum...


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on November 28, 2013, 04:03:11 AM
http://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/orders-suspended/ (http://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/orders-suspended/)

Quote
For the time being, I have suspended accepting new orders, pending resolution of some concerns I have as to regulatory issues. I am anticipating a possibility of having to prequalify buyers, and am holding off taking orders until I know for sure.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: casascius on December 10, 2013, 04:23:17 AM
Heads up, please be aware of possible Casascius coin counterfeits.

http://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/possible-counterfeits-to-be-aware-of/


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: SgtSpike on December 12, 2013, 04:22:18 PM
I'm guessing this will have an effect on prices of Casascius coins?
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/12/casascius/


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: bitmarket.io on December 14, 2013, 03:51:54 PM
What are you all doing to guard against possible counterfeits in the future?  I printed off all my e-mail interactions with Mike, and am laminating them, but I realize this does not ensure the coin is not a fake.  With prices rising, I fear this is going to be a bigger problem down the line since the first few characters in the windows can be faked with vanitygen.

Good question. Wish some special coating was applied to these coins which light up under a UV light to confirm if its genuine or not.

For now use your common sense and pay attention to the details.  How the coin was stamped/minted, was the sticker applied properly (is it leveled with the front... notice the 4 notches (above, below, left and right) around the sticker.  Observe the font and confirm it's the same one.  Make sure the color/tone of the font is correct as well (i'm talking about the prefix).  Check the weight make sure it's silver and not some junk silver coated.

I can see one faking these coins if they were determined and had extreme attention to detail.  I hope a duller mined mints the fakes to make them more obvious to spot.  But if someone take it seriously, it certainly can be done.  


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: gentlemand on December 14, 2013, 05:04:03 PM
I'm sure there are nefarious minds thinking about faking right now. It may be a while before they emerge in numbers.

I've kept the emails and the shipping label which should be a help. I guess if you got your coin graded now that's going to be a bonus too. I'm intrigued to see what will become of their values.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on February 15, 2014, 04:03:38 AM
Figured you guys might like this.. Won it in an auction from Mike (It is pictured all over the place with the Silver's and the article talking about him being shutdown)
Signed by Mike and made by his wife..thought it was pretty cool myself  8)




https://i.imgur.com/O0ELSyX.jpg


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Jsmpick on February 15, 2014, 12:16:07 PM
Could someone explain the gradings to me please? I'm looking to purchase a coin for myself, just want to know which I should get


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on February 16, 2014, 02:04:47 AM
ANACS is the only place that grades them.. The higher the number the better the coin.  The best I have seen is the MS-67 Casascius coin...pretty are the rest have been MS-66 and lower.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: casascius on March 17, 2014, 03:24:37 AM
Reasons I'm likely to not sell more coins:

1. Don't want compliance hassle of being a money transmitter (this was a hobby project meant to promote awareness - moving money was never an objective)
2. Don't want security risk (the more valuable bitcoins get, the more professional the security must be and the more sophisticated attacks I must anticipate)
3. Don't want to make a mistake and become a bitcoin poster child (like Charlie Shrem, I feel like I'd be a high value prosecution target if I were to make some sort of legal mistake, just for my visibility alone)
4. Mission already accomplished (original mission was to help people become aware of bitcoin and to help people start conversations about it)
5. An appropriate mission nowadays would be to encourage people to store their own bitcoin safely on self-produced paper wallets instead of trusting others without recourse.  Continuing to produce other people's private keys is perverse toward that objective.
6. I feel like the more coins I sell, the more I accumulate a presumed liability in the form of people who must trust me not to scam them.  What happens if someone calls my trustworthiness into question, even without cause?  Then people might think I lied and kept the keys, and then someone might want to harm me.  Not what I signed up for.
7. I don't want to be in over my head.  Look at Mark Karpeles, his life is probably now ruined.  He could and should have quit while he was ahead.
8. It's honestly fun to see my past coins skyrocket in value.  That was never anticipated in the beginning, but I will be honest, I enjoy seeing them fetch ever higher prices on the secondary market.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on April 19, 2014, 02:36:37 PM
I've also never heard of an MS-68 or above in the Casascius realm.

Stereotype, re: the brass, this is not definitive data, but I've seen the gradings on those coins come in more in the MS-63 to MS-65 mark - a bit lower than other coins. I'm not sure if that was a minting change which resulted in less precise mint strikes, or maybe just bad luck on the part of the person that got their coins graded.

It remains true (and probably will for years) that the value-add from getting a coin graded is greater than the cost of the grading.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on April 19, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
There's a picture of a graded 25 BTC S1 MS-65 at this old thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333913.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333913.0)

(This particular coin is no longer available, though I do have an MS-65 with a pristine case (no scratches) available.)

I am not aware of any MS-66 25 BTC coins yet; so if there's any chance of it making that grade, I'd say you almost have to send it in. Such a piece would attract attention and demand :-)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: BayAreaCoins on April 19, 2014, 04:57:33 PM
Ive never seen a MS-98 Casascius.

MS-70 is a perfect coin.  Coin grading is based on a 70 point system :)



Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: SgtSpike on July 17, 2014, 08:25:11 PM
Surprisingly there is no data on the 1BTC Brass 2011 S2 coins.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695984.0

Anyone interested in making an offer on one of these? Pictures coming REAL SOON.

There's some data about it. It's significantly more rare than the 2011 error coins, with only 516 minted and 434 still active. If your coin is in good condition I'd hold out for a very high offer, more than what people are paying for the 2011 series 1 error coins.

There is a difference between rarity and desirability.  The original coin with the S1 sticker has much more significance that the corrected S2 coin even though there are less of them.  It is the collectible aspect of being the 1st Casascius Coin that gives it the higher value based on demand.

Here is an auction that was completed in December.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=349215.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=349215.0)

There's definitely a difference between rarity and desirability. Desirability isn't always correlated with rarity, but rarity is often correlated with desirability.

I would have to agree with this. Rarity will drive the prices up long term. Desirability can sometimes be just a hype and it will die down in the future.

For a collector, long term wise, I would expect the premium for the more rare coins will outpace the coins that are more well known aka 2011 S1 error coins. Collectors are ALWAYS out for the rare and hard to get stuff. This is just my opinion.
 
Collectors also love to get the first edition of something.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the future.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: OgNasty on July 17, 2014, 08:42:32 PM
There's definitely a difference between rarity and desirability. Desirability isn't always correlated with rarity, but rarity is often correlated with desirability.

I can't let this go. If A is correlated with B, then B is correlated with A, by definition. What I think you meant to write was that desirability isn't always caused by rarity and rarity is often caused by desirability.

Correlation is not the same as causation.

I think correlation could be appropriate.  Whether there is one gorgeous woman on the planet or 4 billion, I will want one all the same.

Perhaps spoken more eloquently...  A man dying of thirst cares not the size of the river he drinks from.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on July 17, 2014, 08:56:05 PM
There's definitely a difference between rarity and desirability. Desirability isn't always correlated with rarity, but rarity is often correlated with desirability.

I can't let this go. If A is correlated with B, then B is correlated with A, by definition. What I think you meant to write was that desirability isn't always caused by rarity and rarity is often caused by desirability.

Correlation is not the same as causation.

Ah, great point. Thanks for calling me out on that and you're almost right about what I meant to say:

Desirability isn't always positively correlated with rarity, but rarity is often positively correlated with desirability.

I believe the more rare versions of these coins will be more desirable years from now. BUT, it's not the same as having the first coin minted by a country or currency type because so many people are already hoarding these coins as collectibles. Unless we see a lot of redemption over the years these coins will not become more rare than they are today, which will impact the secondary market.



Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: SgtSpike on July 17, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
Speaking of collectability.... I would just like to point out that the 2011 MS-66 coin I am selling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464094.msg5644219#msg5644219) is one out of the first five physical bitcoins to ever be graded by ANACS.  I don't know how much this might affect how collectible this particular coin is, but I think it's pretty neat, and it's part of the reason I priced it a couple BTC above the going market rate.  See this thread (and click on the picture):  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186098.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186098.0)

https://i.imgur.com/67onWjcl.jpg (http://imgur.com/a/5TqFx)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on July 17, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
I'll just add a technical detail to what SgtSpike said - this is verifiable by the serial numbers shown in the image SgtSpike included.

Spike beat me to the punch on grading! He's got the first of the 1 BTC coins ever graded. I still hold the first-graded 5 and 25 :-)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: elianite on July 19, 2014, 02:55:09 PM
Id like to take this opportunity to formally present my Casascius eBook to the collector community:

The Coinfirm Casascius Guide v1.  

It's 31 pages, detailing all the coins produced by Casascius. There are photos, mintage and circulation numbers, stats, and interesting insights, history, explanations and comments on almost every page. You are GUARANTEED to learn something new!

This book is essentially the 1st chapter in what will be a much larger work detailing ALL physical Bitcoins, Litecoins, Dogecoins and all others. It is currently projected at 130+ pages, and will feature all available information on every collectible crypto-themed coin and bar released by anyone. In the future, there will also be an easily navigable gallery on the site to view the information.

You can find the eBook as a free PDF on my new site: www.coinfirm.org
*please let me know if you are unable to open it and i can post other formats.

Book thread here with the same info https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700021.msg7909325#msg7909325



Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on July 19, 2014, 05:01:09 PM
Have you folks seen this yet? A rather thorough inventory of each Casascius coin by variety, mintage, redeemed, and active --> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius

It's on a few other threads but some of you may not be aware yet.

It was created and shared with me by forum member Melbustus.

Hopefully more accurate information (from this analysis and Elianite's analysis) will make the market for these coins more efficient.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on August 02, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
IC: 2012 Casascius 25BTC round, unspent, mint condition

I have an original Casascius brass 25BTC coin in its original packaging, still loaded with 25BTC, but it is hidden in a cool, dark, HEPA purified place where I am currently not and temporarily don't have access to it. Pictures can be provided later. As such, nothing is for sale but I wanted to gauge interest, but as far as I can tell, none are being sold and Casascius doesn't make them anymore :(. According to Casascius's Bitcoin Analyzer (http://casascius.uberbills.com/?type=25&status=opened), 486 of these specific coins were minted and 275 have been spent.

I'm considering getting it graded if you guys recommend doing so.

edit: just saw this link http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius
472 minted and 117 spent according to that, but I am inclined to place more credence with Casascius's official analyzer. How I got my numbers was going to that first link, copying the list of coins spent and pasting it into excel, and counting the columns.


I'd recommend getting it graded.
I have more than one, and none have graded higher than MS-65. I speculate the minting process was somehow less precise for them.
Your numbers, whichever you use, show the relative rarity (I also use the official analyzer numbers). These coins are in the 'elite club', and buyers willing to pay the premium are few and far between.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on August 11, 2014, 08:05:38 PM
Just a quick update, we've got a new record for highest price paid for a 2013 0.5 BTC Series-2 Silver: 13.5 BTC.

I'll let the buyer decide if they want to share their identity.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on August 12, 2014, 10:48:17 AM
I actually went out my way to double check my 0.5, on the strength of that!....series-3, unfortunately.  :(

Those are still nice :)

Wow, that is just Wow. Seriously, I just can't even wrap my head around that.

They're starting to get into the same absolute-premium-over-face-value territory as the 10s and 25s -- check out the premiums in the OP. I'm educating the market one sale at a time! If only I hadn't sold so many to get things to this point ;)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on August 12, 2014, 01:46:49 PM
This is as good a time as any to remind people how numismatics are priced.

SALE PRICE = (FACE VALUE) + (NUMISMATIC VALUE) + (SELLER'S PREMIUM)

Notice the lack of multiplication symbols; statements such as "2x face" or "10x face" have no meaning and no place in numismatics.

The FACE VALUE for a Casascius coin would be the value of the BTC stored within, plus the spot value of any precious metals.

The NUMISMATIC VALUE is an absolute value based solely on the desirability of the coin. This generally correlates with mintage, age, and condition, but other factors can be at play here as well.

The SELLER'S PREMIUM varies from seller to seller, based on a number of factors including the seller's trustworthiness, care in packaging, supporting documentation or certifications, and other factors.

The biggest point to make here is that with all other things being equal, FACE VALUE and NUMISMATIC VALUE have no bearing on one another.

https://i.imgur.com/ihgR0i6.jpg


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on August 12, 2014, 09:57:05 PM
Hi Nubbins (Nice sale btw)

My 9 0.5 S2's came from roll H998 ! (topped up with 3 S3's to fill the tube). I guess I am the reason why its not exactly matching 4 full rolls of these coins (ie 45 rather than 48)

Still have a couple available if anyone is looking. PM for pics.

Gonna get mine graded I think. (I believe 2 I have sold recently will also be getting graded). It will be interesting to see how they fair. I guess all 45 if graded will all come in at 64 - 67 .... be nice to get the only 67, if it happened like that !

Out of interest ... has anyone already had 1 graded ? Care to share what came back ?

TYVM!

I haven't sent any of mine to get graded, specifically because it'd break the PGP chain of custody. If I mail my coins off to ANACS, I can no longer say they've always been in my possession :)

I've seen some of my 1BTC silvers receive MS67 ratings (the buyers sent them in for grading); to my untrained eyes, the series-2 halfs are equal or better quality.

That said, there *is* a flaw in the design around the 2:00 position (sunburst extends beyond the ring) on every 0.5BTC silver I've ever seen; I don't think this is because of poor stamping, but rather an oversight in the files that were sent to the mint. Not sure how this would affect grade.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: justbtcme on August 19, 2014, 11:54:07 AM
Guys. Heres a question for the Casascius aficionados. Do we have any idea how many 5BTC were minted.....including all the blanks?

There are approx. 400 of each 5BTC S1 and 5BTC S2 still active. The green text 5BTC S2 are actually more rare than the 5BTC S1 by around 50-70 pieces depending on your source. As for the "load-it-yourself" blanks, no clue.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on August 19, 2014, 04:20:12 PM
Guys. Heres a question for the Casascius aficionados. Do we have any idea how many 5BTC were minted.....including all the blanks?

There are approx. 400 of each 5BTC S1 and 5BTC S2 still active. The green text 5BTC S2 are actually more rare than the 5BTC S1 by around 50-70 pieces depending on your source. As for the "load-it-yourself" blanks, no clue.

Back when I was investing (buying) the Casascius coins, I evaluated the 5 BTC coins to be the most undervalued, based on their relative rarity and lack of relative numismatic premium.
At this point, I hold more of these coins than any other (except the 0.5 and 0.1 S3 silver pieces).

I'll also add that these (along with the 25 BTC pieces) have graded the lowest. I want to say I've only seen one MS-66, and I kick myself for having sold that one.  All I have left are MS-65 specimens.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Nightowlace on August 20, 2014, 05:02:01 AM
I highly advise taking it out of that plastic sleeve and puttin it in something more appropriate. That sleeves chemical compound will start to break down and you will be left with a nasty greenish tone on the bar.

Ace,

do you know of a more fitting container? I still hold at least one of the 17 active S1 100 BTC bars, and it is in a similar casing.
If there is a better container, it would be helpful for me to know, and I'd also want to get word out to the two individuals that have purchased these bars from me in the past.

I don't know of anything that would fit the bearer bars but those plastic cases they are currently in are horrible. Those leave a nasty residue on coins after they sat in them for a longer period of time. I would suggest taking it out and maybe wrapping a microfiber cloth around it. If you could find a plastic airtight that it will fit in that would be best. You can read this article for a better idea of what will happen if left in the sleeve. They call it the Slime Effect.
http://collectibles.answers.com/coins-and-dollars/learn-what-a-pvc-coin-sleeve-is


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Arvicco on September 02, 2014, 05:00:53 AM
Seems like British Museum is now interested in physical bitcoins: http://blog.britishmuseum.org/2014/05/12/bitcoin-how-do-we-display-the-intangible/

Start of a new global trend? ;)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: iglasses on September 11, 2014, 03:27:47 PM
I have a question maybe some of you coin gurus can help me with.  I own the following coin...
http://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=1Ag1bkCAq2A4fPUTtudfMGw52mhpEgWSKX

and according to the web site it is a "1 BTC Gold-Plated Fine Silver Casascius Round.
This is a 39mm 1oz silver round accented with gold electroplating on the rim and on the Bitcoin logo, loaded with one digital bitcoin."

the thing is...it isn't...
http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/IMG_2377_zpsb4f8dee3.jpg

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/IMG_2375_zps7cecf172.jpg

What am I missing here?

ig


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: odolvlobo on September 11, 2014, 06:22:39 PM
I can confirm, uberbills incorrectly identifies all 1btc silvers (I think!) as being silver+gold.

I believe that the gold-plated coins were not a separate run. At one point, Mike took his remaining stock of silver 1 BTC coins and had them all gold-plated.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=244967.msg3359806#msg3359806


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: ducatitalia on November 25, 2014, 02:38:26 PM
I certainly still watch it with interest, and to keep an eye out for scam posts.

When the collectible marketplace heats up, I expect traffic will here as well.

It'd be great if you were willing to share any collectible trade details, especially ones that beat previous records.

Right on...

The hottest Casascius coin on the market recently has been the 0.5BTC Silver S2, likely due to its rarity.  nubbins sold two of these ungraded for 13.5BTC each back in August (increasing record multiplier from 11 to 27)...reference link here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623050.msg8299691#msg8299691).
Subsequently djjacket sold an MS66 example, but sale price may not have been listed on the forum, djjacket would need to confirm final price as record, although whatever it was will set a new standard on this thread for a graded variation, since none are listed...reference here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=780185.0).
Further note on a coin to watch--holomen has listed the first known ANACS graded MS67 example of this coin for sale here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=849723.0).

Other recent records set, (given that no records are listed)  :) would be for the 1BTC Silver S3 solid silver, the 1BTC Silver S3 silver/gold, the 2011 1BTC Brass S2 and the 5BTC Brass S2.

1BTC Silver S3 solid silver: several graded and ungraded sales in the 1.9BTC-3BTC range. Here is just one of many possible record sales...reference here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464094.0) for SgtSpike's listings.
1BTC Silver S3 silver/gold: several graded and ungraded sales in the 2BTC-3BTC range, possibly higher.  I personally sold one of these for 3BTC a while back, others may have sold for more--one possible reference here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=632981.0).
2011 1BTC Brass S2: justbtcme sold several of these to Otoh in July...reference link here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695984.msg7991408#msg7991408).  Additional sales have taken place since in the 2-3BTC range.
5BTC Brass S2: Otoh also bought both an S1 and S2 version of this coin from justbtcme, reference link here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695984.msg8123645#msg8123645).  Price not disclosed publicly, buyer and/or seller would need to confirm S2 price and if S1 sale beat existing 7.5BTC record.



Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: stereotype on November 29, 2014, 08:04:00 AM
Hi guys,
I asked in another thread what is a fair price for a 10btc casascius coin. (the one with the golden b) It is loaded and in a good condition, but not rated yet.

From 20BTC, upwards. I sold a graded (MS-67) non gold B ..... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=565467.msg6161628#msg6161628



Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on December 24, 2014, 03:11:01 PM
I'm going through and removing sales postings. If yours was deleted and is still for sale, please feel free to re-submit. I occasionally do a sweep to ensure all listings are current and valid.
Anduck - sorry for the lapse, and thanks for the kick in the shorts.  Feel free to re-post yours. I hope to complete cleanup yet today (12/24/14).

It helps prospective buyers if you use the standardized format for your listing, and include an asking price.  You can certainly include a link to the thread that offers your item exclusively - that way you can upload as many pictures and provide as much detail as you like, while letting this thread provide a high-level description for those shopping.

I've updated the initial posting to reflect the new data ducatitalia provided - thank you so much for that.  Over the next few days I hope to:

-Remove all old for sale listings. (If you receive a 'Deleted' notice, and your offerings are still current, do feel free to re-post. This will ensure all listings are current.)
-Remove most of the conversational posts.
-I'll see if I can provide more mintage data; we have more resources available today than when I created this thread.

Going forward, the last page or two of the thread should serve as a current for sale list, with the initial pages preserving a small snapshot of the collectible market's evolution over the years.



Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on December 24, 2014, 09:50:15 PM
5BTC Series 1 (Error Hologram) graded MS-66 by ANACS for sale..hit me up with offers!

I am looking for 10BTC coin with the gold BTC


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on December 25, 2014, 10:19:12 AM
Have there been any recorded sales of silver BTC0.5 s3?

I'd love to know what these have gone for in the past.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on December 25, 2014, 01:16:19 PM
Have there been any recorded sales of silver BTC0.5 s3?

I'd love to know what these have gone for in the past.

I've bought and sold them in the 1-2 BTC range. Maybe 1.5 the last time I traded one?


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on December 25, 2014, 01:22:12 PM
2013 1 BTC Silver S3 [NG] 3rd roll, PGP docs, first owner - 3 BTC
2013 0.5 BTC Silver S2 [NG] 1st roll, PGP docs, first owner - 20 BTC
2013 0.5 BTC Brass S2 [NG] second owner - 1 BTC
2011 1 BTC Brass S2 [MS-65] - 3.25 BTC

The Silver S2 half will be offered at a special holiday price of 17.5 BTC until January 1, 2015, at which point the price will be raised to 25 BTC to reflect the overall rarity and specific desirability of the coin.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on December 25, 2014, 03:08:01 PM
Have there been any recorded sales of silver BTC0.5 s3?

I'd love to know what these have gone for in the past.

I've bought and sold them in the 1-2 BTC range. Maybe 1.5 the last time I traded one?

I'd love to update the initial price listing, there are a lot of people with no idea for valuation.  If you can find 1 or more past instances and shoot me whatever level of details you and the buyer are comfortable with, I'll update the transaction history and price charts accordingly.

Congratulations on the 0.5 low-mintage sales! I'm sure it is exciting for you personally; I find it exciting for the marketplace as a whole.  As you pointed out awhile back...I take it as another indicator of a maturing market. One that realizes the numismatic premium comes from a number of factors, but mintage counts being a very, very important one.  I view it almost hierarchically.  Germane, common sales (maybe a loose 1 BTC Brass coin) provide the comfort for someone to make a 20 BTC buy like the 0.5 BTC rare piece.  One of those sales may set up for a 25 BTC S1 sale, which may set up for a 100 BTC Bar sale (x of 17), a 1000 coin or bar (x of 1, 2, 3, or 5).

That notion you mentioned about "having to sell a few to get to where we are"; I've experienced that. I took the other approach; defining the valuations I believe they are worth. The market does not currently agree.  I'm fine with that, they are my 'make me sell' prices; I don't really plan on parting with the pieces for a few more years.  But the net effect is different.  For my coins, there is a chasm between buyer and seller price. As a result, the market remains stagnant.  You chose to offer the coins at what the market was willing to pay. This sparked further interest. And with a limited supply, the price successfully came up.  Fortunately, you were not then undercut by a large number of others running into the same market you just created; which is again a factor of the extremely limited distribution of the coin you have.

I am of course talking my book here, but I anticipate that within this collectible community, we will see a greater normalization of prices, with mintage and wow-factor being the two key determinants.  A next evolution from there would be more sensical prices as we move up the grading scale.  It is oversimplistic to simply say that all MS-66s should have an xxx% premium relative to an MS-65.  Each piece is different.  Years from now, with proper tracking tools in place, I envision something similar to what we have with the coin grading sites today. A place where you can see the total mintage for a certain coin, but that mintage is then further split out based on the known quantities in each grading.  An MS-67 1 BTC Silver S3 is a pretty common grade.  Yet I don't think we'll ever see an MS-67 25 BTC S1.

So to get there, current traders are acting amidst uncertainty.  First-day runs, misprints, limited availability blanks, coins, bars, interesting external addresses.  We don't know which things will be generally prized by the market. We're sort of inventing and defining that, as we move through the trading process.  As we keep tracking that data, patterns should start to emerge.  Every transaction further informs the market.  To get there, the speculators that anticipate the future direction of the market correctly will profit.  The profit will come from those that chose wrongly.  For those that want to do their homework, further informing them themselves, and the market as a whole at the same time - welcome back :-)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: elianite on December 26, 2014, 06:25:31 AM

Congratulations on the 0.5 low-mintage sales! I'm sure it is exciting for you personally; I find it exciting for the marketplace as a whole.  As you pointed out awhile back...I take it as another indicator of a maturing market. One that realizes the numismatic premium comes from a number of factors, but mintage counts being a very, very important one.  I view it almost hierarchically.  Germane, common sales (maybe a loose 1 BTC Brass coin) provide the comfort for someone to make a 20 BTC buy like the 0.5 BTC rare piece.  One of those sales may set up for a 25 BTC S1 sale, which may set up for a 100 BTC Bar sale (x of 17), a 1000 coin or bar (x of 1, 2, 3, or 5).

I am of course talking my book here, but I anticipate that within this collectible community, we will see a greater normalization of prices, with mintage and wow-factor being the two key determinants.  A next evolution from there would be more sensical prices as we move up the grading scale.  It is oversimplistic to simply say that all MS-66s should have an xxx% premium relative to an MS-65.  Each piece is different.  Years from now, with proper tracking tools in place, I envision something similar to what we have with the coin grading sites today. A place where you can see the total mintage for a certain coin, but that mintage is then further split out based on the known quantities in each grading.  An MS-67 1 BTC Silver S3 is a pretty common grade.  Yet I don't think we'll ever see an MS-67 25 BTC S1.


This tracking site is something that would be a great thing to implement onto my site, CoinFIRM, along with the Casascius and other eBooks and eventual galleries and databases.

It will indeed be interesting to see what a 1000BTC coin or bar will one day sell for; im sure that all parties involved will seek anonymity so I would not at all be surprised if such a sale is not public at all.

Another burning question is, where do we get the info or these sale figures, and what should the numbers be tracked as (BTC or $)? What sources will we get the info for regarding sales that have taken place? Simply watching one forum for these sales is very narrow-minded, even if a large portion of coin owners and traders have accounts here. It may well be that some holders of the 1000BTC pieces are not even registered here. Will we follow the sales that take place on eBay in dollars, and convert that to BTC (at the time of the sale) for tracking purposes? I would agree that Casascius coin sales and values should be measured relative to BTC, because they already hold intrinsic btc value and so fourth, and are expected to rise along with btc value. Still, it does seem silly; almost like measuring the value of rare 1900's gold coins relative to how many ounces of gold they can buy. Something to think about

On a bit of an unrelated note, I notice Nubbins is really emphasising the 'chain of custody'; PGP docs and so fourth. While that's all good and fine, I really dont think they give additional value in a practical sense. Supposedly they would reduce the danger that someone would use some tech to remove the hologram and put it back; but really I think its a moot point since it has not been attempted and even when it happened, the hologram looked noticeably different. Especially in the case of the very rare 0.5BTC S2's; nobody in their right mind would try to remove the S2 hologram to steal 0.5btc, when the coin is worth 20BTC and the removal would at least put a huge risk in destroying it for what... a 2-3% additional value. Especially if a coin is ANACS graded, I believe its legitimacy is irrefutable.




Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on December 26, 2014, 04:53:28 PM

Congratulations on the 0.5 low-mintage sales! I'm sure it is exciting for you personally; I find it exciting for the marketplace as a whole.  As you pointed out awhile back...I take it as another indicator of a maturing market. One that realizes the numismatic premium comes from a number of factors, but mintage counts being a very, very important one.  I view it almost hierarchically.  Germane, common sales (maybe a loose 1 BTC Brass coin) provide the comfort for someone to make a 20 BTC buy like the 0.5 BTC rare piece.  One of those sales may set up for a 25 BTC S1 sale, which may set up for a 100 BTC Bar sale (x of 17), a 1000 coin or bar (x of 1, 2, 3, or 5).

I am of course talking my book here, but I anticipate that within this collectible community, we will see a greater normalization of prices, with mintage and wow-factor being the two key determinants.  A next evolution from there would be more sensical prices as we move up the grading scale.  It is oversimplistic to simply say that all MS-66s should have an xxx% premium relative to an MS-65.  Each piece is different.  Years from now, with proper tracking tools in place, I envision something similar to what we have with the coin grading sites today. A place where you can see the total mintage for a certain coin, but that mintage is then further split out based on the known quantities in each grading.  An MS-67 1 BTC Silver S3 is a pretty common grade.  Yet I don't think we'll ever see an MS-67 25 BTC S1.


This tracking site is something that would be a great thing to implement onto my site, CoinFIRM, along with the Casascius and other eBooks and eventual galleries and databases.

It will indeed be interesting to see what a 1000BTC coin or bar will one day sell for; im sure that all parties involved will seek anonymity so I would not at all be surprised if such a sale is not public at all.

Another burning question is, where do we get the info or these sale figures, and what should the numbers be tracked as (BTC or $)? What sources will we get the info for regarding sales that have taken place? Simply watching one forum for these sales is very narrow-minded, even if a large portion of coin owners and traders have accounts here. It may well be that some holders of the 1000BTC pieces are not even registered here. Will we follow the sales that take place on eBay in dollars, and convert that to BTC (at the time of the sale) for tracking purposes? I would agree that Casascius coin sales and values should be measured relative to BTC, because they already hold intrinsic btc value and so fourth, and are expected to rise along with btc value. Still, it does seem silly; almost like measuring the value of rare 1900's gold coins relative to how many ounces of gold they can buy. Something to think about

On a bit of an unrelated note, I notice Nubbins is really emphasising the 'chain of custody'; PGP docs and so fourth. While that's all good and fine, I really dont think they give additional value in a practical sense. Supposedly they would reduce the danger that someone would use some tech to remove the hologram and put it back; but really I think its a moot point since it has not been attempted and even when it happened, the hologram looked noticeably different. Especially in the case of the very rare 0.5BTC S2's; nobody in their right mind would try to remove the S2 hologram to steal 0.5btc, when the coin is worth 20BTC and the removal would at least put a huge risk in destroying it for what... a 2-3% additional value. Especially if a coin is ANACS graded, I believe its legitimacy is irrefutable.

The questions you are asking are excellent ones to ask. There is no right answer in my view, except the one that the consensus of the market migrates towards.  Debating approaches, and choosing what is and is not important to collectible value. This is what ultimately defines what the market is, and what it is not.

-Your ideas about automated price extraction, alongside broadening the net of sales captures would clearly be an improvement. I look forward to using it as an additional source of data. Feel free to throw us a link sometime!

-Seeing sales prices in terms of USD.  Build your site in whatever format you think will be most helpful to consumers.  If your approach varied from this threads, that would be great, it would allow the market to be more broadly informed, compare the two views.  Eventually, people will get a sense for which is preferable, and the reasons why.  This can only help move us (the market) closer to answering the question - How does one valuate a bitcoin collectible? I'll try to include a few rationale for why I (firmly, deeply) believe that BTC-based valuation must ultimately be chosen as the valuation method, or else the collectible market necessarily turns into a bitcoin anti-investment, and an alternative means to bet against the market without shorting on an exchange.

-Chain of custody/PGP docs.  I have not personally taken the effort to generate these for my coins.  The day I have a sale which is dependent on this additional security, I will take the time to generate them.  I'd encourage you to do a little more reading up on the subject.  The counterfeiting approach which used a hypodermic needle to inject a loosening agent left a barely-noticeable mark.  Many of our coins have scratches or scuffs. To be absolutely sure, one is putting the entire value of their purchase in the hands of their own expertise.  Not worth a thief's effort for the example you gave, where the bitcoin value is a small percentage of the net value.  Take instead the example of a 100 BTC Series 2 bar. The Series 1s may go for 300+, but I believe Series 2 regularly go for sub-200.  A thief could determine the private key, then sell the coin at a later date.  Days/weeks/months/years later, they could reserve the private key, and get the money from the sale alongside the bitcoin value on the bar.

This last part is an attempt at explaining the BTC rationale more fully.  I have thought on this for hours and hours and hours. I am still looking for an exquisitely simple way to condense the argument. This is the best I can present it to date.

Price Tracking in BTC, not USD
1. I find BTC as the best-correlated anchor for sales.  I have seen loose 1 BTC Brass S1 coins go for 3 BTC when Bitcoins were $5, $120, $600, and still today at $300.  Perhaps the numismatic premium went up 100x, cut in half, and all the while happened to track the changing BTC/USD value. A simpler explanation would be that valuation is held in buyer/seller's minds in terms of BTC.  Prices are "sticky", and a seller today was a buyer yesterday. When that buyer bought, in this market, there's a very, very good chance they used Bitcoins. This creates an anchor in their mind.  A future sale above that is a win, below is a loss.  I have personal instances of this same BTC-premium constancy, across large price variation, for 1 BTC, 5 BTC, and 25 BTC prices.

2. Let's walk through an example of what happens to the market if, instead of BTC premiums, the market chooses to use USD valuation.
Bitcoin price is at $100.
Ekko decides to invest.  With his $1000, he buys 10 electronic BTC. Ekko pays $100 for each bitcoin, $100 being the bitcoin value.
Colin also decides to invest. With his $1000, he guys 5 of the 1 BTC silver pieces at 2 BTC apiece. Colin pays $200 for each coin, $100 being the bitcoin value, $100 being the numismatic premium.
Years pass, and bitcoin price reaches $10,000.
Ekko sells his 10 electronic bitcoin and receives $100,000.
Colin sells his 5 collectible bitcoin, and receives $50,000 plus the numismatic premium for his coins.  That premium went from $100 / coin all the way up to $1000 / coin! He gets another $5,000 for this, and receives $55,000 in total.

What if instead of selling once it hits $10,000, they HODL?
Ekko still has 10 BTC.
Colin would be able to sell his physical for cash and/or trade for electronic. His holdings would increase from 5 BTC to 5.5 BTC.

Bitcoins is a paradigm-shifting technology for which exponential rises, Elliot Wave theory, and sigmoid curves can apply; it is entirely reasonable to assume exponential growth.  This is far less common within a collectible niche.

If the market adopts USD premiums for the collectible value portion of a bitcoin's valuation, an investor looking to hold bitcoins long-term will come out best avoiding collectible bitcoins, unless the numismatic appreciation of collectibles outpaces the appreciation rate of BTC itself.

I believe markets are efficient, and practical. A market will not take a 'suicide pill'.  I believe that in time, as 1000s of collectors personally grapple with the same decision, and realize their reluctance to sell a piece for less BTC than they used to buy it, that eventually, this mentality will become adopted.  

We'll see.







Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on December 29, 2014, 12:39:55 AM
How is the Spotcoins site (http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius (http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius)) being consulted or aligned with what you've tracked? This site is really easy to use - all info on one page - and I believe it was the first comprehensive summary of Casascius coin mintage. Elianite's book is great for the deep history of Casascius coins. The Spotcoins site (created by Melbustus) is the best one-look page for all Casascius coin mintages and active vs. used counts.

Some recent sales to add to the list are:
  • 2011 BTC1 brass series 2: purchased for BTC2
  • 2013 BTC1 silver with brass trim: purchased for BTC2.18
  • 2013 BTC0.1 silver: purchased for BTC0.68

And to Nubbins, I'd be interested in the BTC0.5 silver series 3 if you're still willing to sell, PM me or acknowledge on this site and I'll hit you up.

I'm glad there are a few of us seeking a normal or generally agreed upon information on Casascius coin valuation. I completely accept that the prices will rise and/or fall with the market but we need to come closer to what the current values are at any given point so that sales can actually happen. Right now it seems like there's a gap between the asks and the offers which doesn't help the buyer or the seller.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on December 29, 2014, 12:46:09 AM
I also agree that the valuations need to be in BTC, it's for the good of the movement and will keep things consistent for buyers and sellers all over the world.

We'll have to realize that the fiat conversion may always be a secondary factor in sales prices but that should be be determined between the buyer and the seller, not the marketplace as a whole.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: elianite on December 29, 2014, 12:05:16 PM
As some of you may know, I am working on a ~200 page eBook guide to categorize all physical crypto coins. In creating it, I would like to standardize some naming conventions to identify specific coins, particularly when it comes to Casascius coins.

I would like the feedback of the collector community to develop a naming system that makes sense, is easy to understand, and will stand the test of time.

Please see my thread designated for naming here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=907471.new#new

Below is a proposed naming convention for casascius coins. Please comment in the thread pasted above!

1btc Coin, S1, 2011
1btc ‘First Bits Error’ Coin, S1, 2011
1btc Coin, S2, 2011
1btc Coin, S2, 2012
1btc Coin, S2, 2013
1btc Silver Coin, S3, 2013
1btc Silver 'Gold Rim' Coin, S3, 2013
5btc Coin, S1, 2012 ‘Error Bitnickel’     (should I drop the 'error' here?)
5btc Coin, S2, 2012 ‘Bitnickel’
0.5btc Coin, S2, 2013
0.5btc 'Silver Error' Silver Coin, S3, 2013
0.5btc Silver Coin, S3, 2013
0.1btc Silver Coin, S3, 2013
10btc Silver Coin, S2, 2012
10btc 'Gold B' Silver Coin, S2, 2012
25btc Coin, S1, 2011
25btc Coin, S2, 2011
1000btc Gold Coin, S1, 2011
Aluminum Round
St. Petersburg Bitcoin Bowl Silver Round

PS: looking for SPONSORS! there's ad space available on the guide!


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: SgtSpike on December 31, 2014, 04:32:13 PM
Would just like to mention, my coins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464094.0) are still up for sale!

https://i.imgur.com/7LtKxKa.jpg


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: iglasses on January 04, 2015, 06:05:54 PM
Relisting my coins for sale....

Casascius
2013 .5 Brass MS-65        12CQNHPR4AcANifwbheaRzVPkchaTCm8ep
2013 .1 Silver MS-65        1Agx7VZWk2W5pnicXJ6A7qu7hs4E3aAMpc
2013 .5 Brass UNGRADED 129Uky9Zxef89DzT2YZZexKBo4SV6g2d16

Lealana FUNDED-UNGRADED
2013 1LTC x30 x10 - Coins were purchased on the roll.  Random samples were removed and sent for grading and received MS-66 & MS-65 grades.

Also not for sale but included free with each purchase will be 5 original 'Strength in Numbers' casascius aluminum coins.

Pricing.  I am motivated to sell these coins buuuuuuttttt....I purchased all of these with BTC at higher levels than it is now, some at much higher, so I will be taking a loss if converted back to USD no matter what.  That having been said, there is a bottom of exactly HOW MUCH of a loss I am wiling to take as opposed to just sitting on them and seeing what happens in six months or so.
Trades.  I am not looking for trades at this time of any coins other than Casascius.  If you have a Gold/Silver MS-67 and would like to discuss some mix of the coins below + some BTC hit me up and maybe we can make a deal.

Pics of coins...I have reduced the size in the interest of not clogging the thread but full size pics can be posted upon request.

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/Jan%202015%20Coins%204%20Sale/f36e68d5-939b-4bd3-9b70-ee429c285409_zps97d78764.jpg     http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/Jan%202015%20Coins%204%20Sale/7f4f3ea0-074a-4f31-bdef-b10678dc19eb_zps16632457.jpg     http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/Jan%202015%20Coins%204%20Sale/bb5c2366-efeb-4ed4-b076-d398048b0279_zpsf5035edf.jpg     http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/Jan%202015%20Coins%204%20Sale/62276d16-c494-409f-ab09-a4b560ab3aba_zps11e69ce5.jpg     http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/Jan%202015%20Coins%204%20Sale/16a3b5a6-cab9-450b-873c-4736967dd7c9_zpsd03d1fe5.jpg     http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/Jan%202015%20Coins%204%20Sale/47b2ac47-eb03-4c04-9d3b-ec95ac660c14_zps6b126c4c.jpg     http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/Jan%202015%20Coins%204%20Sale/d8b850b7-ba82-453d-a0fc-c3c8ba13d3eb_zpsc8f8444b.jpg     http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/Jan%202015%20Coins%204%20Sale/49f85514-40e1-4e8f-b265-a3a984b4af20_zps2d82f8f7.jpg     http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/bctiglasses/Jan%202015%20Coins%204%20Sale/83664055-c085-4760-a186-cd3494ce70c8_zps24780beb.jpg


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: miffman on January 04, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
I suppose this belongs here as well. I'm taking offers for my MS-68 Casascius tenth. This is also the first MS68 casascius coin  ;)

More info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=911883.0


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on January 10, 2015, 07:25:34 AM
As some of you may know, I am working on a ~200 page eBook guide to categorize all physical crypto coins. In creating it, I would like to standardize some naming conventions to identify specific coins, particularly when it comes to Casascius coins.

I would like the feedback of the collector community to develop a naming system that makes sense, is easy to understand, and will stand the test of time.

Please see my thread designated for naming here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=907471.new#new

Below is a proposed naming convention for casascius coins. Please comment in the thread pasted above!

1btc Coin, S1, 2011
1btc ‘First Bits Error’ Coin, S1, 2011
1btc Coin, S2, 2011
1btc Coin, S2, 2012
1btc Coin, S2, 2013
1btc Silver Coin, S3, 2013
1btc Silver 'Gold Rim' Coin, S3, 2013
5btc Coin, S1, 2012 ‘Error Bitnickel’     (should I drop the 'error' here?)
5btc Coin, S2, 2012 ‘Bitnickel’
0.5btc Coin, S2, 2013
0.5btc 'Silver Error' Silver Coin, S3, 2013
0.5btc Silver Coin, S3, 2013
0.1btc Silver Coin, S3, 2013
10btc Silver Coin, S2, 2012
10btc 'Gold B' Silver Coin, S2, 2012
25btc Coin, S1, 2011
25btc Coin, S2, 2011
1000btc Gold Coin, S1, 2011
Aluminum Round
St. Petersburg Bitcoin Bowl Silver Round

PS: looking for SPONSORS! there's ad space available on the guide!

Hey Elianite, this seems like a good taxonomy. I have only one suggestion, why not replace "BTC" with "BTC" and put the BTC in front of the number, which is consistent with the all other currency.

Your thoughts?


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: iglasses on January 10, 2015, 07:00:05 PM
Auctioning a three coin set of MS-67 2013's (.1, .5, 1)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919324.0


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on January 11, 2015, 11:04:49 PM
An eBay auction for a 2011 BTC1 S2 Casascius coin just went for $835...it jumped from $515 to $835 in the last 2 minutes (see the link below).

I bring this up for two reasons;
  • People on this thread want the sales data for their records, and
  • The price represents a ~3x face valuation for this 2011 S2 coin, which is greater than these coins have sold for in the past; Usually these 2011 S2 coins go for 2x face, and while many put greater value on the 2011 S1 the 2011 S2 has a significantly lower mintage and this new, higher price could indicate that the market is starting to value the 2011 S2's more appropriately for their scarcity

In the interest of full disclosure, I was planning to bid on the coin but the price escalated out of my range so I'm not the winning bidder.

Link to auction results: http://www.ebay.com/itm/201257119489?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l4455&_trkparms=gh1g%3DI201257119489.N7.S1.M9.R1.TR2&autorefresh=true (http://www.ebay.com/itm/201257119489?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l4455&_trkparms=gh1g%3DI201257119489.N7.S1.M9.R1.TR2&autorefresh=true)

Most other crypto coin auctions on eBay recently have been for unfunded Casascius coins, funded Casascius coins with buy it now (only) prices of several thousand dollars, or Casascius "wanna be" coins (i.e., Cryptolator, etc.) This is the first realistically priced or true auction I've seen for a Casascius coin in a long time.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on January 12, 2015, 03:50:07 PM
eBay

For what it's worth, eBay sales are almost entirely fraudulent activity (fake bids, etc). There are a couple of sellers who push massive fake volume through the site to make it seem like their Casascius coins are flying off the shelves, but it's the same handful of fake accounts bidding and winning... often for below face value.

If you search eBay for "Casascius" and limit your search to only those items which were SOLD, you'll find some very, very strange things happening.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on January 13, 2015, 11:48:00 PM
I've reduced the prices I'd be willing to sell my 5 BTC S1, 25 BTC S1, and 100 BTC S1 bars. Prices are current, the coins are MS-65 and MS-66.  This is a chance to pick up a high-end piece for the same BTC premium set in by historical prices, but significantly lower USD premium.

Here's a link to the posting from Page 1: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214589.msg3410213#msg3410213 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214589.msg3410213#msg3410213)

Shoot me a PM if you're interested in anything. I'm definitely willing to entertain discounts for a packaged deal.
Transaction will have to be in person, buyer pays first, or M-of-N escrow with mutually agreed on escrowers.

There are a fair number of pieces available right now.  It's not a fun time to look at the charts...but it can be a fun time to shift assets, and pick up a few new pieces for your collection.  Even if I don't have anything of interest, there's a good chance someone else has got what you're looking for up for sale.  Good luck, all.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on March 03, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
Hey, folks. Rare Casascius coin up for auction, thought I'd alert the watchers of this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.0)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: AT101ET on March 03, 2015, 10:16:44 PM
Hey, folks. Rare Casascius coin up for auction, thought I'd alert the watchers of this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.0)

This isnt just a rare Cas coin. It is one of the rarest Cas coins. An awesome coin and currently at a incredible price. GL with the auction nubbins :)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on March 03, 2015, 10:41:11 PM
It will be interesting to see how much it goes for...my guess is around 12BTC.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on March 04, 2015, 12:09:17 AM
I'm extremely curious to see how it turns out!


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on March 04, 2015, 12:20:34 AM
I'm extremely curious to see how it turns out!

Yeah time the market set a solid price on those rare coins. I want one, but no reason to bid again untill next month!


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: LitcoinCollector on March 04, 2015, 08:34:09 AM
I am following this.  8)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: AT101ET on March 04, 2015, 08:37:39 AM
Out of curiosity how many of these coins do you have?


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on April 03, 2015, 01:32:15 AM
Hey, folks. Rare Casascius coin up for auction, thought I'd alert the watchers of this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.0)

FYI, winning bid:

9.9


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on April 03, 2015, 01:43:42 AM
Casascius 2013 Silver + Gold MS68 - sold for 4.02BTC via auction.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: cyclops on April 03, 2015, 04:53:48 PM
2013 0.5BTC Brass Casascius, Graded MS-64 Sold for 0.9BTC


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: qwk on June 04, 2015, 08:38:17 PM
While looking through my stock, I had a funny idea, and that was to find a coin with my username on the hologram.
Well, there are several, but there's one I'd be particularly interested in:
16qwkrk8 2moBR27sbWYW8hbyAPFUd1vV37 (second part completes the address)
This coin must be in circulation somewhere, so if anyone could find that -> PM ;D


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: monkeynuts on June 04, 2015, 09:42:54 PM
While looking through my stock, I had a funny idea, and that was to find a coin with my username on the hologram.
Well, there are several, but there's one I'd be particularly interested in:
16qwkrk8 2moBR27sbWYW8hbyAPFUd1vV37 (second part completes the address)
This coin must be in circulation somewhere, so if anyone could find that -> PM ;D

I have had a look through my coins, and spreadsheets of coins I have held / sold, and its not passed by here.

Looks like its a series 2 2011 brass coin ?

Good luck with the search !


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: elianite on July 20, 2015, 11:25:33 PM
2 DAY AUCTION - MS-68 0.1 Silver Casascius

best grade; 1 of only 3!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129315.new#new


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on July 21, 2015, 06:58:31 AM
I don't see an entry for the 2013 BTC0.1 coin, can you add it? Elianite's auction going on right now would be a good "first price" to fill the entry!


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on July 21, 2015, 02:18:31 PM
Sure - once it sells I'll add it to the price table.
Good luck, elianite! I'll be watching with interest.
IIRC, there are only 400 of the 0.1 pieces


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on July 21, 2015, 03:37:27 PM
I created a new thread for physical crypto general discussion; sale/auction posts are specifically to be avoided, as there are already plenty of aggregate threads dealing with those. Feel free to discuss pricing, rarity, production techniques, etc.

Physical Crypto General Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129862.0)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on July 21, 2015, 04:01:36 PM
Cool nubbins. You're more active in trading these days than I am.
You are welcome to cross-link to the 'price guide' and historically-saved discussions here if you like.
I'd be happy to try to keep the prices up to date, and let the discussion move to your thread, if that is your goal.

It'll be very valuable to have a centralized discussion site once the next rally begins, as collectible interest will invariably rise at the same time.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on July 21, 2015, 08:35:12 PM
Sure - once it sells I'll add it to the price table.
Good luck, elianite! I'll be watching with interest.
IIRC, there are only 400 of the 0.1 pieces

According to Spotcoins there were 800 minted and 792 are still funded -> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: elianite on July 21, 2015, 11:26:16 PM
Sure - once it sells I'll add it to the price table.
Good luck, elianite! I'll be watching with interest.
IIRC, there are only 400 of the 0.1 pieces

According to Spotcoins there were 800 minted and 792 are still funded -> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius

This coin will no doubt get the highest price ever for a 0.1, as its the 1st time an MS-68 is on sale publicly. the last (and so far only, and private) sale was "in the ballpark" of 4-5btc. The 3rd MS-58 is on sale for 5btc by Quickseller.

Auction here (24h remaining): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1127806.msg11938102#msg11938102


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: TheAnalogKid on July 22, 2015, 12:29:38 AM
I'll add to the sales list.

2011 1BTC error, MS-66, 5.2BTC, purchased in May this year
2013 0.5BTC, MS-67, 1.75BTC, purchased July this year
2013 1BTC brass MS-65 + 2013 0.5BTC MS-67, 2.5BTC for the pair purchased May this year
2013 1BTC silver, raw, 2.55BTC won in auction April this year (coin currently at ANACS)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: bittawm on July 22, 2015, 09:58:29 PM
Figured you guys might like this.. Won it in an auction from Mike (It is pictured all over the place with the Silver's and the article talking about him being shutdown)
Signed by Mike and made by his wife..thought it was pretty cool myself  8)




https://i.imgur.com/O0ELSyX.jpg

wow thats cool you got your hands on this, history right there


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: monkeynuts on July 22, 2015, 10:50:48 PM
Figured you guys might like this.. Won it in an auction from Mike (It is pictured all over the place with the Silver's and the article talking about him being shutdown)
Signed by Mike and made by his wife..thought it was pretty cool myself  8)




https://i.imgur.com/O0ELSyX.jpg

wow thats cool you got your hands on this, history right there

Unless there are 2 .... I believe it may have found a new home (not me by the way)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Possum577 on July 23, 2015, 12:34:06 AM
Sure - once it sells I'll add it to the price table.
Good luck, elianite! I'll be watching with interest.
IIRC, there are only 400 of the 0.1 pieces

According to Spotcoins there were 800 minted and 792 are still funded -> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius

This coin will no doubt get the highest price ever for a 0.1, as its the 1st time an MS-68 is on sale publicly. the last (and so far only, and private) sale was "in the ballpark" of 4-5btc. The 3rd MS-58 is on sale for 5btc by Quickseller.

Auction here (24h remaining): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1127806.msg11938102#msg11938102


Damn, they've gone for 5btc!?!?!

I bought one for 0.7btc last August, granted the fiat to BTC price was more than now, but not equivalent to 5btc. Great to know!


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: monkeynuts on August 07, 2015, 09:34:44 AM
<DUPLICATED POST FROM ANOTHER THREAD, BUT JUST TRYING TO SPREAD THE WORD>

I have just recieved a new grading form from ANACS. They wont be publishing it on their website for a week or 2, but they have given me the green light to share here. Its been talked about for a little while, but it has finally happened.

Its a bit special, in that they are recognising the physical crypto coins as their own distinct category on the submission forms. Thats a real step forward in my eyes ... mainstream here we come  

I cant let it pass without restating what a shame it is that ANACS will give us our own section, but the forum wont. (Mods, please take note)

I have put a copy of the form on PDFy
https://pdf.yt/d/vA7tlh6CBIvV23PJ
You can download, or print straight from there

The ANACS office manager has said
"They decided to go with the verbiage of “Physical Cryptocurrency” instead of “Private tokens and medals”, however these are the changes we discussed previously.  Max value of $100 per token. The only additional change is a max submission value for international orders of $5000.  Meaning the total value for the entire submission is capped at $5000 in insurance value."

Any discounted rates negotiated previously will also be honoured. But having a 'base rate' of $19 is also positive for submitting lower numbers of coins

Please feel free to use this, share this, and reference it in any other threads. Lets get this form out to those of us who do submit coins, return some of the faith that ANACS have placed in physical crypto.

It will be really interesting to see if given this change by ANACS, if any of the other big grading organisations take note, and reconsider their stance wrt cryptocoins


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: stereotype on September 24, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
All gone a bit quiet, on the physical coin front, eh?  Needs new blood, me thinks.  :-\


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: molecular on September 24, 2015, 07:46:54 PM
All gone a bit quiet, on the physical coin front, eh?  Needs new blood, me thinks.  :-\

definitely


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: stereotype on September 24, 2015, 08:06:26 PM
All gone a bit quiet, on the physical coin front, eh?  Needs new blood, me thinks.  :-\
Everyone is too busy buying/trading MS69 ans MS70 coins at the moment. ;)
There have been many great sales lately!!

Yep. Ive been lazy with the 'Casascius' search, lately.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on September 24, 2015, 08:42:34 PM
My offerings http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214589.msg3410213#msg3410213 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214589.msg3410213#msg3410213) are still valid, but likely limited to in-person transactions. I would also accept a mixture of BTC and equivalent-USD.

Frankly, I don't see the market heating up until rally mode is well established. People have had the time they need (and more) to get their inventories right. It's really only the speculators trying to front-run the next demand spike.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: monkeynuts on September 25, 2015, 10:49:36 PM
My offerings http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214589.msg3410213#msg3410213 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214589.msg3410213#msg3410213) are still valid, but likely limited to in-person transactions. I would also accept a mixture of BTC and equivalent-USD.

Frankly, I don't see the market heating up until rally mode is well established. People have had the time they need (and more) to get their inventories right. It's really only the speculators trying to front-run the next demand spike.

Still the same prices .... ?


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: stereotype on September 27, 2015, 08:23:59 PM
A little action, on the other side!......

https://forum.bitcoin.com/marketplace/re-selling-1btc-casascius-silver-round-w-gold-b-ms-69-t327.html#p854


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: TookDk on September 27, 2015, 09:57:13 PM
A little action, on the other side!......

https://forum.bitcoin.com/marketplace/re-selling-1btc-casascius-silver-round-w-gold-b-ms-69-t327.html#p854

I have already contacted bitmarket.io (no reply yet) to confirm if this is his thread or not - I smell impostor-scam.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: stereotype on September 28, 2015, 01:19:23 PM
A little action, on the other side!......

https://forum.bitcoin.com/marketplace/re-selling-1btc-casascius-silver-round-w-gold-b-ms-69-t327.html#p854

I have already contacted bitmarket.io (no reply yet) to confirm if this is his thread or not - I smell impostor-scam.

Saw this:
https://i.imgur.com/hjYy8Rk.png

Doesn't look like the messages are signed?
and
Anyway to check this address: 16jRmt4abwt2LMkKikWuSNJtTKL6Tbzzys ??
Hmmm.
When you search 'members' here, for bitmarket.io, there are three other very similar entries for that name.

Just sent bitmarket.io a message and link, via here.

 


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: stereotype on September 28, 2015, 04:09:44 PM
A little action, on the other side!......

https://forum.bitcoin.com/marketplace/re-selling-1btc-casascius-silver-round-w-gold-b-ms-69-t327.html#p854

I have already contacted bitmarket.io (no reply yet) to confirm if this is his thread or not - I smell impostor-scam.

Saw this:
https://i.imgur.com/hjYy8Rk.png

Doesn't look like the messages are signed?
and
Anyway to check this address: 16jRmt4abwt2LMkKikWuSNJtTKL6Tbzzys ??
Hmmm.
When you search 'members' here, for bitmarket.io, there are three other very similar entries for that name.

Just sent bitmarket.io a message and link, via here.


bitmarket.io confirms its an imposter. Forum has been informed.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on October 06, 2015, 08:25:18 PM
I saw the bitmarket.io spoof, and figured I'd better claim Chainsaw over in both bitcointalk.org and forum.bitcoin.com.
I'm still me, both here and there.
Cross-linking: http://forum.bitcoin.com/post2178.html#p2178


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Anduck on October 06, 2015, 09:59:46 PM
Please remove my 10btc sale as it was sold. Thanks!


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on October 06, 2015, 10:37:50 PM
Please remove my 10btc sale as it was sold. Thanks!

Removed.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Eodguy149 on October 07, 2015, 02:19:53 AM
Please remove my 10btc sale as it was sold. Thanks!

If anyone has a 10BTC for sale graded or ungraded I would definitely be interested. I'm also open to trades  ;D


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on October 07, 2015, 03:00:01 AM
I am buying and selling some coins -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1202331.0


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: stereotype on October 13, 2015, 07:48:17 PM
Sharing for those interested....    http://www.coinfirm.org/app/download/3860348/The+CoinFIRM+Casascius+Guide+v0.11+.pdf


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: dazedfool on October 14, 2015, 01:16:34 AM
Looking to trade several MS69 silver cas coins for a 10btc cas.. or sell:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1196643.0


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: chennan on October 14, 2015, 01:53:07 AM
Sharing for those interested....    http://www.coinfirm.org/app/download/3860348/The+CoinFIRM+Casascius+Guide+v0.11+.pdf

This is awesome! I've never seen this before, thanks for the free read.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on October 14, 2015, 02:14:58 AM
FYI: 2011 Casascius 25BTC highest grade is now MS-67 8)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Eodguy149 on October 14, 2015, 04:11:45 AM
FYI: 2011 Casascius 25BTC highest grade is now MS-67 8)

That's impressive. You're going to tease us and not post any pictures...?  :'(


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Kialara on October 14, 2015, 04:31:57 PM
http://m.ebay.com/itm/2011-Casascius-1BTC-with-Casasius-Error-FUNDED-LOADED-/151845527473?nav=SEARCH

Auctioning an ungraded 2011 error Casascius on eBay. End in 30 minutes.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Harpua on October 14, 2015, 04:45:42 PM
http://m.ebay.com/itm/2011-Casascius-1BTC-with-Casasius-Error-FUNDED-LOADED-/151845527473?nav=SEARCH

Auctioning an ungraded 2011 error Casascius on eBay. End in 30 minutes.

Just curious, why would you auction it on Ebay rather than on the auction subforum here on bitcoin talk?  I feel like you would get a higher price here.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Quickseller on October 14, 2015, 05:06:22 PM
http://m.ebay.com/itm/2011-Casascius-1BTC-with-Casasius-Error-FUNDED-LOADED-/151845527473?nav=SEARCH

Auctioning an ungraded 2011 error Casascius on eBay. End in 30 minutes.
Wow it went from ~$350 to $660 in the last 30 minutes lol. There are clearly some professional snipers on eBay


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: dazedfool on October 14, 2015, 06:03:04 PM
http://m.ebay.com/itm/2011-Casascius-1BTC-with-Casasius-Error-FUNDED-LOADED-/151845527473?nav=SEARCH

Auctioning an ungraded 2011 error Casascius on eBay. End in 30 minutes.

Just curious, why would you auction it on Ebay rather than on the auction subforum here on bitcoin talk?  I feel like you would get a higher price here.

Not to mention the 10% ebay fee and 3% paypal fee and risk of return...I was second highest bidder but outsniped at the last second =/

Ehh well


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on October 14, 2015, 07:44:57 PM
It would have fetched more here...


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: dozerz on October 14, 2015, 10:20:34 PM
i will have some graded 2011 errors for sale in the coming weeks of varying grades, pm me to reserve your coin and price.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on October 14, 2015, 10:24:15 PM
Still looking for an ungraded 0.1 silver w/ PGP docs. Name your price via PM.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: stereotype on November 08, 2015, 09:28:49 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=565467.msg12921689#msg12921689


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: monkeynuts on November 08, 2015, 10:48:18 PM
Looking for silver halves, will take quite a few. Straight sale, or trade against high grade silvers / errors.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: funkymunky on November 10, 2015, 11:45:15 AM
Sharing for those interested....    http://www.coinfirm.org/app/download/3860348/The+CoinFIRM+Casascius+Guide+v0.11+.pdf

That's great!!
Thank you.

However; the 2FA Storage bar has the wrong URL - casascius.ccom/2factor


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on November 10, 2015, 02:57:17 PM
Anyone heard from Mike lately? I've heard from a few people who have been unable to track him down for PGP docs. Looks like the window might be closing.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: monkeynuts on November 27, 2015, 10:17:17 AM
Looking for silver halves, will take quite a few. Straight sale, or trade against high grade silvers / errors.

So has anyone got any silver halves ?


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on November 27, 2015, 02:34:47 PM
I've got a silver set with PGP docs, just missing the silver dime.

1btc silver: first owner
1btc silver: second owner
1btc silver+gold: second owner
0.5btc s2 silver: first owner
0.5btc s3 silver: second owner

30BTC for the set -- just kidding, not for sale.

Seems like Casascius is still AWOL, so I will probably hold these coins indefinitely. Should be infinitely more valuable down the road when the market is awash in Chinese fakes.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on December 09, 2015, 11:17:31 PM
Just wanted to let my esteemed colleagues know that we've got a new public high for a 2013 Casascius 0.5 BTC Series-2 Silver, 15 BTC.

The purchaser also elected to have the PGP chain of custody extended for an additional 1 BTC, which -- to my knowledge -- is the first time such an exchange has occurred. I expect this to be the minimum cost for extending a first-owner custody chain (henceforth known as a one-nub chain) going forward.

The purchaser can reveal their identity if they so wish, and the escrow agent can publicly verify the amount of the transaction if they so wish.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Blazed on December 09, 2015, 11:43:56 PM
Just wanted to let my esteemed colleagues know that we've got a new public high for a 2013 Casascius 0.5 BTC Series-2 Silver, 15 BTC.

The purchaser also elected to have the PGP chain of custody extended for an additional 1 BTC, which -- to my knowledge -- is the first time such an exchange has occurred. I expect this to be the minimum cost for extending a first-owner custody chain (henceforth known as a one-nub chain) going forward.

The purchaser can reveal their identity if they so wish, and the escrow agent can publicly verify the amount of the transaction if they so wish.

I am the escrow for the deal and verify the amounts.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: bithalo on December 10, 2015, 08:07:46 PM
Wow...nice high price for one of those S2.  Congrats.  I'm assuming it wasn't graded if it had PGP docs.  Wondering what a MS68 of those would sell for?

Very surprised how much someone paid for the custody to be extended too.  I would have thought that would be a small upcharge if at all.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on December 11, 2015, 04:15:08 PM
Wow...nice high price for one of those S2.  Congrats.  I'm assuming it wasn't graded if it had PGP docs.  Wondering what a MS68 of those would sell for?

Very surprised how much someone paid for the custody to be extended too.  I would have thought that would be a small upcharge if at all.

Ungraded, natch. But all my coins are immaculate. Even some of my brass halfs (notoriously shitty), once sold and submitted, fetched MS67 from ANACS.

Given the mounting evidence that if you don't already have PGP docs, you'll never have them, I felt 1 BTC was a fair ask. This will be the minimum fee for PGP docs from me, going forward. I expect the fee to continue rising in the future, as the rarity of PGP custody chains becomes more apparent.

I used to offer to extend the chain for free, but most people didn't give a fuck and declined the offer. This time, buyer offered to purchase the chain of custody extension. Smart fella.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on February 17, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1319676.msg13916186#msg13916186 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1319676.msg13916186#msg13916186)

I'm out of the game. Good luck to you all, hope you find all your hard-to-finds. Cheers.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Chainsaw on July 04, 2016, 11:31:06 PM
Ever the optimist, I am hopeful that the combination of this rally, alongside the introduction of btcc's new offerings, will reignite the Casascius market.

http://store.btcc.com/

Anyone have suggestions on best way to sell a loaded, Series I (Mintage: 17) 100 BTC bar? Speculation on what it would likely fetch in today's market?
My gut is telling me it's better to wait until the rally is more in the mania mode, it would reach a larger audience. 
I am also curious whether better, safer trading mechanisms have evolved in the past few years.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: StarenseN on July 06, 2016, 11:02:01 PM
I have few

https://www.goldxcash.net/images/cas_variety_6_obverse_300.png

2011 - 1BTC serie 2
Mint state - Never Manipulated - still in their original roll (!) with proof of buy to Mike Cadwell.

PM if interested.

This one of the most scarce edition (434 still actives).

http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius/variety/1-btc-brass-series-2-2011



Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: elianite on July 06, 2016, 11:54:43 PM
In honor of the upcoming halving,
I have released an updated 2016 free Casascius eBook, that also contains many additional pages from the Encyclopedia of Physical Bitcoins and Crypto-Currencies.
That's over 90 pages of free Content!

The eBook is available at www.coinfirm.org

 


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: coin@coin on July 07, 2016, 12:01:30 AM
In honor of the upcoming halving,
I have released an updated 2016 free Casascius eBook, that also contains many additional pages from the Encyclopedia of Physical Bitcoins and Crypto-Currencies.
That's over 90 pages of free Content!

The eBook is available at www.coinfirm.org

 

Thank you so much! Going to download right away!  ;D


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: elianite on July 07, 2016, 12:13:39 AM
In honor of the upcoming halving,
I have released an updated 2016 free Casascius eBook, that also contains many additional pages from the Encyclopedia of Physical Bitcoins and Crypto-Currencies.
That's over 90 pages of free Content!

The eBook is available at www.coinfirm.org

Thank you so much! Going to download right away!  ;D

Feels like I just dropped a hot mixtape!


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: StarenseN on July 07, 2016, 09:36:01 AM
I have few

https://www.goldxcash.net/images/cas_variety_6_obverse_300.png

2011 - 1BTC serie 2
Mint state - Never Manipulated - still in their original roll (!) with proof of buy to Mike Cadwell.

PM if interested.

This one of the most scarce edition (434 still actives).

http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius/variety/1-btc-brass-series-2-2011



Hello, I already got several requests in the span of hours.

I'll open an auction thread with photos and everybody who contacted me will be notified about it.

I'll do it in several days. Cheers!


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: owlcatz on July 07, 2016, 11:12:51 PM
Thank you!  :D


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: woodson on July 09, 2016, 12:55:55 AM
What is the market value of this coin?  Im definitely interested but havent seen one sold here prior.

Best,

B

I have few

https://www.goldxcash.net/images/cas_variety_6_obverse_300.png

2011 - 1BTC serie 2
Mint state - Never Manipulated - still in their original roll (!) with proof of buy to Mike Cadwell.

PM if interested.

This one of the most scarce edition (434 still actives).

http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius/variety/1-btc-brass-series-2-2011



Hello, I already got several requests in the span of hours.

I'll open an auction thread with photos and everybody who contacted me will be notified about it.

I'll do it in several days. Cheers!


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on July 10, 2016, 12:48:37 PM
To my recollection, they never fetched above 2-3 BTC.

Anyone who has a 2011 S1 brass should also have a 2011 S2 brass, IMO.

I *almost* regret selling mine.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: StarenseN on July 10, 2016, 12:57:05 PM
What is the market value of this coin?  Im definitely interested but havent seen one sold here prior.

Best,

B

I have few

https://www.goldxcash.net/images/cas_variety_6_obverse_300.png

2011 - 1BTC serie 2
Mint state - Never Manipulated - still in their original roll (!) with proof of buy to Mike Cadwell.

PM if interested.

This one of the most scarce edition (434 still actives).

http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius/variety/1-btc-brass-series-2-2011



Hello, I already got several requests in the span of hours.

I'll open an auction thread with photos and everybody who contacted me will be notified about it.

I'll do it in several days. Cheers!

I did a bulk sell at 2.5 BTC in 2013.

I think these ones, still in roll/mint, should gonna interest people at higher than 3+ BTC.

I cannot reach the bank vault where they are stored before the 16th july, so be patient and I'll open a new thread with pictures for an auction.


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Anduck on July 10, 2016, 03:06:02 PM
I have Cas's for sale: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1460749.0


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on June 13, 2017, 11:47:14 PM
FYI there's a first-funded Casascius silver for sale: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1965241.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1965241.0)


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: bit94 on August 13, 2017, 02:39:10 AM
How has the multiplier value of the recently sold changed now that they include BCH?


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on August 13, 2017, 06:50:47 PM
How has the multiplier value of the recently sold changed now that they include BCH?

What in the world is a multiplier value?


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: bitspill on August 13, 2017, 10:56:10 PM
How has the multiplier value of the recently sold changed now that they include BCH?

What in the world is a multiplier value?

I think he's referring to the premium, as in coins selling for 1.2x their face value or what not


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: nubbins on August 14, 2017, 06:41:39 PM
How has the multiplier value of the recently sold changed now that they include BCH?

What in the world is a multiplier value?

I think he's referring to the premium, as in coins selling for 1.2x their face value or what not

But that doesn't make sense and that's not how coins are valued


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: Lesbian Cow on August 14, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
Here's something I learned from nubbins years ago (paraphrased as I do not remember his exact wording):

Coin Price = (Spot BTC Loaded on coin + Precious Metals Value of coin) + Numismatic Premium (collectable value due to scarcity and demand) + Seller's Premium (well respected/trusted sellers command a premium)





Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: digicoinuser on August 14, 2017, 10:51:54 PM
Here's something I learned from nubbins years ago (paraphrased as I do not remember his exact wording):

Coin Price = (Spot BTC Loaded on coin + Precious Metals Value of coin) + Numismatic Premium (collectable value due to scarcity and demand) + Seller's Premium (well respected/trusted sellers command a premium)

Agreed with this price calculation, obviously some of the values are left to interpretation although it's a way better method than using a "multiplier".


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: bit94 on August 16, 2017, 05:17:50 AM
Thanks for the information on valuation.  

Also, please reference the word "BTC multiplier" and valuation method in the header from the first post in this thread by user "Chainsaw".  I did not create it.

Quote
Mintage and Historical Sales Data

Denomination   Total Mintage   # Still Active   Highest Known Sale   BTC Premium   BTC Multiplier
1 Brass S1 NG   3615   3615   5   4.0   5.0
1 Brass S1 MS-64   -   -   8   7.0   8.0
1 Brass S1 MS-65   -   -   8   7.0   8.0
1 Brass S1 MS-66   -   -   15   14.0   15.0
1 Brass S1 MS-67   -   -   50   49.0   50.0
1 Brass S2 MS-63   -   -   2.33   1.33   2.33
<...>


Title: Re: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
Post by: lordgreggreg on August 16, 2017, 11:22:44 AM
If you are near Texas,
2012 1 BTC Brass Coin S2 MS-65 $9500
is for sale.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2094158.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2094158.0)