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This looks like a pretty good investment. It's been in development since 2014 and they seem to know exactly what they are doing. It's not one of these hastily put together ICO's that lack pre-investment development. It has quite a bit of development completed already and they seem to be moving forward with deliberation and thought.


Here's their introductory video: https://youtu.be/DaEaAqJQGJY

Here's their website: www.blackmooncrypto.com

This is their whitepaper: https://blackmooncrypto.com/bmc_whitepaper_170819_v1.14.pdf

This is their announcement thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2075919.0

This is their twitter: https://twitter.com/crypto_wallets/status/904454882958098433

This is their github repository: https://github.com/blackmoonfg  (large amount of smart contract code)

This is an opinion by DataDash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttlDwUNAwko

This is an ICO rating website(beta): http://icorating.com/project/238/Blackmoon



It's not very often that we have the opportunity to participate in such an extremely ambitious venture and I do not want to miss an opportunity which may never come around again. There have been way too many other successful projects, which I have missed out on, for me to take this stuff lightly; however, the recent trend toward the ICO markets, spurned on by Ethereum's full turing capabilities featuring smart contracting, has me a fair bit cautious of the complexity of the scams possible, the lengths they might go to appear legitimate, and the investments they may be willing to spend towards trying to pull off their ploys. So, sometimes the most legitimate appearing project which passes all the in depth investigative research may still turn out to be a farce. Being aware of all the great motivation for the scammers to scam, I still have this overwhelming fear of missing out on another, once in a lifetime, opportunity.  I believe that Blackmoon Crypto just might be that opportunity.

Blackmoon Crypto appears to be reading the direction that the markets are heading and they are taking steps that will place them into a position to take advantage of their insight. Like Blackmoon, I also believe that future markets are going to need platforms to bridge the gap between the fiat exchanges and the crypto-economic markets. As more and more people become exposed to the emerging crypto-economic system that's quickly developing, more and more people will need a platform like the platform Blackmoon Crypto is developing. In my mind, it is a no brainer. They will be in position to corner the market when that day comes, and it's coming quickly.

Somebody help me if I am wrong. I am excited about this one! Is this as ambitious as it seems to be, or is it too good to be true? I've been tricked before by these highly convincing projects but I've scored big on a few too. Help me out here; is this a good investment? All real research and feedback will be highly appreciated. Should I go all in now or wait a little longer. I've already joined the bounty program but should I throw a grip of fiat at it also? If this is real, I can see it generating very large returns and I think it may be worth the risk.



EDIT:

ICO Closed within 24 hrs.

BMC is currently listed on:

Liqui: https://liqui.io/#/exchange/BMC_BTC
Tidex: https://tidex.com/exchange/bmc/btc
EtherDelta: https://etherdelta.com/#BMC-ETH


You can check trading volume, current price, and more at:
https://coinmarketcap.com/assets/blackmoon-crypto/#markets

ICO without any product (just and idea, only whitepaper done) doesn't deserve to raise good money. Does Blackmoon crypto has any product to show so far?

I've heard about this project, but I still need to review it, thanks a lot  :)

Haha that DataDash video, that is how I was introduced to the Blackmoon ICO.

Apparently there's a whole bunch of development already completed. Have you watched the videos yet? Their pre-order offer has collected over 9 million dollars and public distribution doesn't even start for another week. I don't know, this looks like the real deal here. I only have about week to figure what I'm going to do; it will probably sellout fast. Let's dig up the dirt or find the jewels-we have a week! Help me out.

It just keeps getting better and better: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2075919.msg21494320#msg21494320

And: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZiveCqs3B8

Help me out here. Does anybody have anything bad to say about this project? Can you find anything that would prevent me from pulling the trigger on this one?

2014 and still nothing and you say it looks like a good investment? Did you fall on your head???

This is a very good project. I think it is the new Waves and they'll do ×5 after the listing. In any case, I support them on Twitter and intends to invest up to 2,000$ !

Have you looked at it? They don't have "nothing;" they have too much too ignore! They are only recently including the blockchain technologies in their existing business model. See: https://blackmoonfg.com && https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/blackmoon-financial-group#/entity && https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=372310644 && https://www.linkedin.com/company/blackmoon-financial-group && ...etc

That's way more than "nothing."  Can you find a reason not to invest? That's the question I'm trying to have answered here. I'm looking for a real reason not to invest.

These guys are on track. Due to the recent crypto-currency crack downs in China, Blackmoon Crypto is already refunding Chinese investors. These people are serious about keeping their project above board. How can we not take advantage of this opportunity?


Secondary Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2075919.msg21502739#msg21502739

Updates:

So there may be a problem here. I don't know what it means exactly but their ANN thread was locked: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2075919.msg21631772#msg21631772  And their bounty thread was deleted. I have not seen this type of action taken against a project since I been here but it seems there may be something happening behind the scenes with this project. I do not know whether it's a bad thing or a routine admonishment. Any thoughts?

Behind the scenes is darkness of blackmoon or sec regulation

It's weird because it was locked by a moderator so I am not sure if US Securities and Exchange Commission had much to do with it. Maybe this: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2017-158  ?  I don't know how to interpret it and I am not sure about the significance of the extraordinary actions taken against the thread by the moderators.

blackmoon ico is a finance-based project, and this blackmoon project also includes silver project, ico will be launched in 3 days. I think it's a pretty good project.

I had joined their Twitter campaign a few days back. The rewards are good and the white paper looks promising. A number of well known names are involved in this project. I just hope that it will become a grand success, just like DeepOnion and Byteball.

But they not airdropping their tokens as Deep and Byteball. BMC need to pay. Also idea, project realization, goal and the target group is full different. So and DeepOpinion quite contentious cryptocurrency about that now we can says "grand" success.

Not a very proper comparison...

i heard about blackmoon crypto but i don't know more about it.i need details about it.

A couple of things that appear to be unique to me about Blackmooncrypto are:

1. They repeatedly claim that their platform will be legally compliant, as mentioned in their whitepaper, they have designed their fund framework in a way that existing funds will be able to map onto their platform. They claim that they have checked with some major financial institutions and major funds and they have confirmed that the blackmooncrypto platform that they have designed is compatible with internal processes of these investment funds. This is great because then they dont have to convince anyone to make any changes to their business processes in order to use their platform. This framework also allows the team to work with other regulators to make sure that the funds on the platform are all compliant. This takes a lot of work off the hands of individual fund managers and also gives investors confidence that what they are putting money into is legal and legit.

2. The second thing that stands out to me is that they ahve this mechanism that protects the BMC tokens from dropping in value. They have this floor at 80 cents. The 30% of the money that goes into the company is put aside as part of money that will gurantee a buy back of the BMC tokens at 80% of their distribution value. So 80% of 1USD is 80cents, that will be the floor.

For more information I suggest that those of you who are interested should visit their website https://blackmooncrypto.com/ or check out BMC telegram chat if you have any quuestions- https://t.me/blackmooncrypto . The team is pretty fast in responding to any queries from the users.

Looked legit from my pov so I bought in during presale

I also bought some (not a whole bunch) during the pre-offer but my research was not complete at the time so I held back for the public offering. These big ones close fast so I am glad I got in on some during the pre-offer. There is something that is bothering me though; their ANN thread is locked and there does not seem to be an alternative; that's a little sketchy. What do you think?

How much was it when you bought it in as Pre offer?

On pre-sale the price of tokens was $ 1 per BMC, the same price will be at ICO within 48 hours, then the price will rise to $ 1.1 and to $ 1.2 per BMC

UPDATE:

It seems that the thread closure was a routine admonishment because several threads were closed on the same day by the same moderator for the same reason ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51173;sa=showPosts ). It still seems weird to me because it appears there may have been extra effort to single Blackmoon Crypto out specifically and more harshly.

The bounty campaign seems to be back on track-twitter campaign recorded.  It seems that the reddit campaign may be blocked still.


I'm still looking for a reason not to invest in this project, so if you have any negative information to expose, please contribute it here.

1 day 20 hours left until this ICO opens publicly,but there's time to pre-register.

You either , I thought I was the only one got locked to the thread, what ever it is we will see.

Yeah, it is weird. I'm still confused about how to take it and I don't understand why another ANN thread hasn't been opened after the moderators locked their thread. I have been noticing a large number of Blackmoon Crypto advertisements on Youtube and that's a good sign. Maybe Blackmoon Crypto thinks that bitcointalk doesn't meet their standards so maybe they're looking for a more professional demographic. It's weird because one of their subreddit threads was locked too like it's a conspiracy between the two sites.

Before the ICO one day remained, despite the fact that ANN thread blocked the project has become very popular, I think ICO should be successful.

There's only 17 hours left before the ICO opens and I still haven't found a reason not to go all the way in on this venture. Help me out people. I think it will sell out fast like some of the other big ICO's so it's all in on the first block or nothing for me. I wasted gas and missed the cut-off too many times before.

Is this a bet the farm investment opportunity or not?

The ICO is open! I'm not sure how much they've raised but there's already over 10K transactions and growing. The hard cap is 30M USD so we must be getting close:

yes, lately I am so diligent in collecting information about blackmoon crypto, I am sure they have their own ideas about this project and that is good, they are very ambitious in this project, and sure enough, the crowdsale that opened today has more than 1000 transactions only in the first 3 hours! its great!

It looks like they are going to reach the hardcap soon. They are saying in slack that they are at between 25M and 30M USD right now so I don't think there will be a stage two. It looks like it is right now or never. I guess they partnered with Bancor too so they're will be immediate liquidity to hold the price on the markets so we probably won't find cheap BMC on the exchanges after this stage either.

Addendum: Forcasted to be soldout

https://www.wings.ai/#!/home/project/0xAc6727DBea4Ac6bA18Cfd25d823189C1e345DF35/forecast

Correction:

There's still time!

$ 25 028 753 / 30 M  hardcap (83%)
824 BTC
62 903 ETH
27 149 LT

ADD:

Sold Out

They reached their hardcap of 30M USD within 24 hours. I went in big so wish me luck. This thread will be the record, for posterity's sake, of either my biggest mistake or my best decision.  GO-GO Blackmoon Crypto!

              PUBLIC DISTRIBUTION HAS ENDED UPON REACHING THE HARD CAP FUNDS RAISED TOTAL
                                       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaEaAqJQGJY
                                
                             $ 30 000 202   *   1 147 BTC    *   73 093 ETH    *    32 914 LTC


https://i.imgur.com/bSktPJX.png

The public sale close after couple of hour.

Let see now how they will perform.

I am crossing my fingers and hoping for the rocket to the moon with this one. Best of luck to all who have invested.

Yes, I am with you. I'm super excited and I believe I've made a good decision here. Blackmoon Crypto is in a position to corner the markets in this niche. They are already one step ahead of the regulatory problems that many other platforms are ignoring, blatantly disobeying, or avoiding by sliding through the loopholes which will soon be closed. Blackmoon Crypto is ahead of the game here.

Do you guys have info directly from Blackmoon team, regarding the ANN thread here on Bitcointalk? I can understand that they don't feel the need to have official ANN thread, but I would still expect them to clerify things on their website or Facebook

I don't trust it its likely someone from them didn't actually bought the supply then they will slowly sell it off in the market thus they make free money. $30m+ in just hrs..

Join their slack channel or telegraph channel. The bitcointalk moderators locked the ANN page on the forum for some reason. Slack is always live and you can get real time answers to your questions in slack. The CEO steps in and moderates the slack channel from time to time so it's a good source for uncensored information.

I agree with you all. I was convinced they have a high potential. They closed at after 24 hours, after the cap is met. They raised something like 32Mil.
Hope you were able to catch it 

I saw this company from wings.ai. So I can predict that it is quite good project.


Anyway we all can also do great money if it is true. I mean just trade or just sell this coins.

I think there are too many alternative coin do investment find like this.
I hope all of them survive.

If their strategy are similar, they will manipulate market in the same way

I think blackmoon is a very good project and interesting, my friends follow bounty ico blackmoon, and got quite a lot of results. and I regret it too late to follow the bounty

They're not joking.
They're not going to put their heads up for auction.
It would be a challenge for you to speak on your faces that this is a joke or they will rob you...


https://icobazaar.com/blackmoon

There's quite a bit of work that's already been done on the Blackmoon Crypto smart contracts and they keep their project progressing forward. This is going to be big! They are active on their github repository: https://github.com/blackmoonfg  They added more code today! I'm watching, believe me, I went all in.

This thing is ambitious and there's several ways to profit with the platform they're building if you have a some knowledge about the markets.

So, the Blackmoon Crypto ICO successfully reached its hardcap of 30M USD and they are working out the figures in preparation for distribution. We should be receiving our BMC Tokens within 7 days of the closing date. There are no exchanges yet, accept a futures market on hitBTC (not recommended in the slightest), but there are talks in the works with several of the higher volume exchanges. I am in it for the longer term so I am not concerned about having an exchange just yet. I have a hunch that the exchanges will be highly interested in Blackmoon Crypto later. 

5 more days BMC will be released. Great project especially there are so many people who want to get into the crypto space and have limited knowledge they should rely on BMC. Hold your BMC and see your money growing exponentially.

Update:

Received an email requesting that I should log into my account and double check my ethereum address to make sure it's correct. That makes me believe they are preparing to distribute the token soon. I've also noticed quite a few scam attempts claiming that the Blackmoon Crypto ICO has been extended. THE ICO IS CLOSED. It hasn't been extended and any notification which claims that it has been extended is a scam attempt. Be careful.

Those who participated in the bounty program: the bounties are being tallied. During the process, the landing page has been deactivated while the tally count is sorted so as to not create further conflicts as the cells in the spreadsheets change while the numbers are tabulated. They have been inundated with support tickets regarding the bounty shares because people are noticing the counts changing in the cells and staff has been having to tend to grievances which has slowed down their progress.

Slack channel and telegram channel both have crickets chirping in the background. There's nobody in those rooms right now accept scambot so there aren't any new updates. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I'm sure they need some sleep, but I'm also confident they wont sleep until our tokens are secured. I was thinking about somehow getting the ANN thread re-opened for those of us who have significant investments sunk into the project. It was messed up that the moderators had us shut out but I guess rules are rules; however, the rest of the community shouldn't have to pay for it. We need a place to get our updates. I've been doing my best here, but I really don't have any say in it and this thread doesn't reach the rest of the invested community who may have their own questions and contributions.

Post here if you have anything to ask, or add, and I will do my best to find the answers.

Update Edit: Telegram Message from Dmitry|Blackmoon Crypto to bounty hunters: "All stakes will be counted till Monday 13:00 UTC.  Don’t worry please! All stakes will be awarded honestly and in full."

Update Edit:

Just Got this from Telegram;

"Dmitry | Blackmoon Crypto

Dear BMC Bounty Members,

Tokens for your bounty activity will be transferred to your ETH-addresses specified by registering at ICOreward.com within 2-7 days after the main token distribution. We need time to finalize all the Bounty results and to check out your ETH-addresses.

Thank you very much for your patience.

Best regards,
BMC Team"

(https://t.me/icoreward/739  (References Telegram Desktop Application))

&& Collected this from Slack;

"@everyone FAQ: For BMC Token Holders

Q1) How to add BMC using MEW
Q2) How to add BMC using Jaxx or Exodus
Q3) How to add BMC if I use Nano Ledger / Trezor

A1,2,3) We will send instructions once tokes are minted

Q4) I can’t log in my account because I lost my password (or code is not accepted)
A4) Check that the account was activated - find an email from info@blackmooncrypto.com with an activation link and ensure it was clicked. To restore the password use: https://account.blackmooncrypto.com/forgotpassword

Q5) Where will we send BMCs ?
A5) BMC will be sent to the ETH address specified by you during registration and displayed in https://account.blackmooncrypto.com/"

(https://blackmooncrypto.slack.com  (Slack Channel))

when will they calculate the steaks for bounty campaigns ???

Waiting for updates on the back channels. There should be something developing today. They're almost done dealing with the bounty hunter calculations so there should be an update on that soon. No exchanges yet, tokens should be released soon, beware of scams because there are several targeting Blackmoon right now. The ICO has been closed for almost a week so don't fall victim to the thieves.


They are calculating the twitter campaign stakes now and all other campaigns have been calculated so they should be done soon.  And, it's okay to remove signatures because the ICO has been closed.

Update:

The Blackmoon Crypto Token are being distributed and they have hit your wallets, they are on the chain, or they will be on the chain shortly. The chain is slow but you can check your transaction against the contract address if your token distribution has not yet confirmed: https://etherscan.io/token/0xdf6ef343350780bf8c3410bf062e0c015b1dd671

Bounties will distributed within the next week because the ICOReward team is still confirming the bounty balances and addresses.

You can start trading on Liqui if you want to gain quick bucks. IMHO you should wait, BMC will worth alot more in the future. The Blackmoon team is professional and I'm confident they can run the company well.

Can we get a proper announcement post started again? I want to attract for eyes to this project.

Has the Blackmoon Team address the issue brought up in this PDF?   Here is the link --> https://www.docdroid.net/Ci35KBG/blackmoon-crypto-due-diligence.pdf

This project actually looks somewhat legit. Are there any similar competitors to Blackmoon?

For those concerned, this is Blackmoon respond to the BuySide.   Here is the link --> https://medium.com/blackmoon-crypto/unreasonable-attempt-of-blackmail-715a4e98abf6

Actually, it looks pretty interesting! I did not invest but I am waiting to buy once it enters an exchange.

It has already hit exchanges, it is available on Tidex, Liqui, and I think one more...

I honestly can't think of a good reason. They have a marketing manager from Coca-Cola, HD quality video, reassurance they'll do their best for the coin to be legal. I guess the only reason not to invest might be the ideological one. I mean, their aim is to introduce cryptocurrencies to the world, deal with banks and other centralized institutions. This is against the decentralization and anonymity which started with bitcoin and was then supported by most of other coins.

I also like Blackmoon and I think it will be a great coin. I was too late to participate unfortunately, but I will be continuing to follow and maybe if the price drops on exchanges like it often does with new coins, then that will be where I can buy in.

I think the price is already hovering around ICO level, i wouldnt wait for it to drop for too long, it has downside protection set at $0.80. I personally cant see it sitting around that level for too long

Wait??? Did you say it has been in development since 2014?? And still doesn't have a product?? That all sounds like a scam to me. Will we wait another 3 years for a product??

The company has been operating since 2014. The crypto side of their business was in development this year. There is a roadmap on their site which highlights all these details

https://www.blackmooncrypto.com/?_ga=2.44178852.1237796184.1505917619-1079237417.1504786500

Got in on this one. Let's wait and see if this will take us to the moon or to mars

On what exchanges are they going to be listed and when?

I am not in an ICO but maybe I can buy some tokens just on the first days of crypto trading with a discount.

I would invest in a coin that would have a (working) product, the only thing I like about blackmoon is the logo but thats the only thing, nowadays there are too many coins which convinces you to be positive on the ban on ICOs since there are so many of them, they only have whitepaper and thats it, I dont think it is a good coin if you ask me, you could better invest in coins like OMG<QTUM<PAY, that tip I can give you.

A white paper and that's it? You do much research before you talk? If you understand how to use google, a simple search will take you here: https://blackmoonfg.com/ and a more in depth search will take you here: https://github.com/blackmoonfg/bmc-contract However, an easier method would be to just click the links you find in the thread. There's more than a white paper; in fact, there's quite a bit more than those projects you mentioned if you are trying to invest. That tip I share with you.

They are now listed on liqui and are hoping for some of the larger exchanges soon. The team is very active in their telegram chat. The prices were going slightly below ICO price this morning but i don't expect them to stay there long.

BMC is on a few "minor" exchanges but the volume isn't significant. The real value of this venture is in the product itself. They are going to be rolling out some major stuff in the first quarter of 2018, or sooner. I'm ignoring the action on those "minor" exchanges because the only thing they are good for, at this time, is catching the dumper's coin at bargain rates. There are quite a few people who are only looking for the quick flip who haven't noticed that that trend had fallen off once the ICO markets became diluted, and the high volume exchanges are only interested in tokens which have real development. HINT: Blackmoon is working on some major developments.

It kind of came out of nowhere, if you think that it was started in 2014, but actually it has collected an amazing quantity of money. It liiks like investors are rewarding projects which plan to find better way to pu their money at work.

Blackmoon is the worst investment ever, it is below ico

No shit, really, everybody wants instant profits these days  ::)

I know it's hilarious. People are investing to develop these things and then they don't even wait for their investments to mature. What are they thinking? Would they also plant their seed today expecting to be harvesting fruit in the morning? The token was just distributed a few days ago and it went very well. There is a ton of code on GitHub already and they are just getting started. (https://github.com/blackmoonfg/bmc-contract) This is going to be big in my opinion and I went all in for the long term returns. I hope I'm right! Again.

They definitely had great marketing - greatly produced videos, names behind the project.

Aventus is worst.

It's too early to say it's the worst. This is just the beginning. Tenx drop to .5 after ico. Look where it is now. Be patient fella.

Blackmoon is a great long term project. Their whitepaper states that during the year 2017. The Blackmoon Lending Marketplace platform processed its first US-based loans as a proof of concept in the US-based market, entered the Spanish market, and reached $13M in monthly volumes. The team looks experienced and motivated. They are very active and quick to provide new information to the community. Have patience guys this is a HODL. I have a small position and I am hopeful of it in the future.

Watch when BMC reach $10 dollars and these FUDs wish they should hold their tokens. If you're not a savvy investor, I would bet BMC will out perform you in the long term. Plus, they will able to get better deal with upcoming ICOs and investments.

Yup--->I can see 10 bucks too, easy.  And, if they get their license in the United States ---> it could mewn!  I think the wise ones are collecting them cheap on the small exchanges and they're doing it slowly so they don't inflate the prices --->smile<----slow and easy until the time is right to bust out --->watch!

As you can check on their website (https://blackmooncrypto.com/) they already got listed on EtherDelta, Liqui and Tidex. Also they should be listed on other exchanges soon :)

Blackmoon Crypto is 120 on coinmarketcap still while their down nearly 25% in relation to the US dollar due to the overall market dip. BMC token it trading at bargain rates and I am wishing I would have held back a little so I'd have more purchasing power now. Somebody is going to make a killing off of this. 

Update:

If you are a bounty hunter, the bounty hunters still haven't been paid. Blackmoon announced that they are expecting to pay bounties no sooner than Monday, but they may pay sometime next week; please be patient while they fix the books.

Meanwhile:

BMC is currently trading under ICO and it is listed on:

Liqui: https://liqui.io/#/exchange/BMC_BTC
Tidex: https://tidex.com/exchange/bmc/btc
EtherDelta: https://etherdelta.com/#BMC-ETH


You can check trading volume, current price, and more at:
https://coinmarketcap.com/assets/blackmoon-crypto/#markets

Rating: http://icorating.com/project/238/Blackmoon

I like the work that you are doing OneUnderBridge, but can we bring back the official thread. I feel more people will notice Blackmoon on an official announcement thread

I've been talking to them about bringing back the ANN thread but it was locked by the administration of Bitcointalk. From the information I gathered, Bitcointalk wants Blackmoon Crypto to "pay a fine" to get the thread back and the Blackmoon team think the price is unreasonable. I'm not sure, but I assume Blackmoon is in a "timeout" period on the forum for breaking the "no give away rules" and may be back once that term is up.

This is what an ICO is, people with an idea on a whitepaper. This is the new concept of new economic system, after a year will know which ICOs made a good product or bad.

Yes, I also invested in this coin and I think they have a great future. I think in a year they may cost $10 more.

The price of BMC is being traded under 80 cents. I thought price can't go lower than 80. It's already 25% under ico price. Damn!!!

You do realize that they gave themselves close to 50% of the coins right?  Never invest in ICOs where they come up with clever terms "Foundation" "Team"  "Strategic advisors" to distribute coins to themselves.  Because guess what's going to happen when the coin hits the exchange?

I agree. So glad I skipped this.

Can you wait till one year to prove your choice is wrong and right?
No, I never can do that, I do not want to invest without calculation, therefore, I need check Team + the community of the project I want to invest first.

I agree that the price has dropped to more than 80% as was promised the by team. But the reason for this is that the ICO has just completed and the smart contract mechanism that stops the price to dip lower than 80% is not is place yet. People are just panic dumping the coin. Realise that these peopel are also dumping all other alts also. The whole market is down as of now. Pls note that BMC team has a proven track record and are into business since 2014. If you have invested in the ICO, i suggest to research about the project and the team before panic dumping the coin.

Actually, if you read the white paper it describes a totally different reality. We only get these opportunities once in awhile and it pays off to dive deep into these projects to understand their potential. Most of the ICO's rolling out today are pure fantasy and very few are backed by successful real world multi-million dollar companies with a true vision.

If you read the white paper than you would realize that 30% of the token are locked up in the company reserve for no less than three years and only 20% are allocated to the founding team, not 50%, and that 20% is locked up in a smart contract for a two year vesting period.(https://blackmooncrypto.com/bmc_whitepaper_170911_v1.18.pdf  page 31) So, those tokens cannot dump on the market as suggested. And, those clever terms you are complaining about are defined and have contractually binding applications.

Now, you can invest in a simply written ICO, like Jesuscoin, because it is simple to understand, uses short words, and promises free tickets to heaven, or you can do your homework and discover a project that has an established team, a successful business model, and a great vision. It's all up to you, but do your research and don't let yourself miss out on an opportunity. Real opportunities don't come around as often as we'd like.

Why was the main ICO thread closed Bitcointalk admins?

The coins are locked for a period of 24 months.

why is the price is lower than ico... so unlucky we are..

I am baffled why people sell Blackmoon below ICO price. Then they are complaining about losing money. I am confident Blackmoon will do well long term.

They are mostly those who are seeking a quick flip. They invest to make a fast buck and then they get out to put their money to work in the next project. They operate with high volumes and quick turn around. They don't like their money sitting in one spot for too long because they are making money on the quick flips. They are not in it for the long run and the loss they take here will be made up on their next flips. They make their money on the hyped projects and they are not long term investors in solid projects.

Let them back let the fine what are they because they know better so what can we do more because if we do more things and trying to change things then it will not work because they are fine their own place and we are fine with our thoughts.

Does anyone know if they have a lock up period for the team funds?

The team token share is locked up for three years, and the company token share is locked up for two years, with an exception for the buyback tokens. You can see all the details here: (https://blackmooncrypto.com/bmc_whitepaper_170911_v1.18.pdf  page 31)

Oh cmon, if You entered in ICO just don’t panic sell now, Blackmoon Crypto is a project with a good future, and therefore should be long investment, and not just fast money flipping on exchange... People that invest in ICO just to earn some quick cash are actually ruining project, for me a slow and stable raise is a good thing because I’m in it long term, and this early price drop is actually normal and healthy for project... just HODL.

I invested in the ICO for a long term hold. While it is disconcerting to see it selling for much less on EtherDelta, I understand that lots of traders are skittish and have no patience, so I'll continue to hold and may buy more at discount.

Okay so I think now I get it that why the price has dropped below the ICO. ALl the people who invested to make a quick buck are exiting it to put their money elsewhere. They do not want to keep their money locked while they can flip it with other projects. Because since BMC is coming with the floor mechanism next week, it makes no sense that the price should drop below 80cents.

I do believe that Blackmoon Crypto has the future. I have also attended their bounty. Despite it became a bit mess in the bounty now but it doesn't change my idea about the project.

They are ambitious and they have vision for sure; did you see this: https://www.youtube.com/embed/DaEaAqJQGJY

You'll have a chance to get the money back pretty soon, I wouldn't worry. They're only coins so if it fails then it fails, it isn't the end of the world. It's a nice project that can stay active during Bitcoins price movements.

I do not know. What to say here The coin seems to promise, but I somehow changed my mind to invest in it.

This is what the Blackmoon people said on the slack;
"Concerning Buy back Program.
1. We'll provide a smart contract based interface for the Downside Protection program next week.
2. According to the terms of sale, this program is accessible to all token holders.
3. This interface will be open for all and everyone will have equal opportunity to use it.
4. Launch of this interface will be announced to public via all official channels.
5. The tokens acquired from this buyback will become company property and will be reserved for the future. The buyback tokens will be counted as a part of the circulating supply.
6. The Buy back price is $0.8 in ETH at market rate at the time of execution."

Regarding #5, I think this is really good, since it looks like any tokens bought using the smart contract get locked up for a period of time, lowering the coin cap and increasing the value for the remaining coins.

Are you gonna give to them. Not right! he invested and lost money and get the profit without investment by joining the signature campaign and get the weekly from it. Even bounties also good now they will give tokens without investing to them. Just they give for the posts you are making.

Okay, for posterity's sake and to allow me to preserve some of my reputation, there may be a problem here but I am looking into it. If you have any serious concerns, please direct message me so that we can get to the bottom of it.

Meanwhile, we have this to remain positive about: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/blockchain-platform-for-tokenized-investment-funds_us_59a57f60e4b0d6cf7f405058

Oleg (CEO) will give a speech at this conference in London: https://london.keynote.ae/speakers/

You can easily track those tokens man on the following link, the team was very transparent regarding everything, stop talking if you are not informed.

https://etherscan.io/token/tokenholderchart/0xdf6ef343350780bf8c3410bf062e0c015b1dd671?range=500

Im definitely watching this one, but staying on the sidelines for now. I want to see how the SEC/CFTC handles regulations in the future with this type of model. I believe there will be some rocky roads ahead, thanks to the US Gov, but once the regulations become more clear it will be smooth sailing for companies like BMC.

Warning --->There seems to be some serious problems with the accounting methods of this ICO ---> it appears they are conjuring their numbers.  It's either the Blackmoon Crypto team or it's the ICOrewards team ---> but the figures are being manipulated and it can be verified.  I will give them some time to resolve the issue before I publish the proofs, but it doesn't seem they will be responsive at this time<---- Warning

What do you mean exactly?

Hi, does anyone have any news about the bounty distribution? I see they have calculated everything today but they don't mention any dates on the telegram thread. Thanks!

They are still reviewing the bounty campaign totals. I talked to one of the members in slack earlier about the math and they have referred the issue to higher management. There is no need to be alarmed at this time because this is a complicated issue and they are working it out. I am sure they will resolve the issues because this is a small matter to them on the scale of the entire project. I was assured that bounties would be distributed honestly and fairly. Give it time; this is a long term project. I am hoping the bounty hunters have the presence of mind to hold onto their stakes once they are distributed. This will surely be big.

Thanks for the info, mate! I'm sure planning to keep these coins, because the project seems great - that's why I wanted to participate in the bounty, in the first place. What is the issue, anyway? I saw that my stakes have been calculated a bit wrong (I did lost around 150 tokens, because they have given me only 25 stakes for the ann translation instead of 50), but I thought wth, I shouldn't bother them or myself with that. Should I send a PM to someone about that mistake?

I saw my bounty reward change a few times but that was during calculation. Going to have to see this damning proof you have or else its just FUD. Patiently waiting...

Well I don't believe BMC team is doing that on purpose - they seem like good fellows, and I don't see how few swindled tokens could benefit them after the very successful campaign. I think it's the incompetence of the junior social management team and that "innovative" bs bounty platform rather than any malicious intention from their side.

Either icoreward or blackmoon crypto team (or both) unfortunately couldn't manage the calculation well. they have published results first and then they said it was mistaken and then published another result 5 times less or for some people 10 times less. whomever did the mistake should pay the result I think.

I think that if they make public the stakes and everything, all doubts will be gone. I genuinely like the team. I was in the facebook bounty.

They are still working on the bounty. I haven't asked anymore questions about the bounty because they're super sensitive about it right now.
ICOrewards kicked me out of their telegram group when I was trying to get information for the thread. I had to promise to watch my P's Q's to get back in the group. So, I'm just watching and waiting now.

There is more good news though; BMC got picked up on another higher volume exchange:  https://hitbtc.com

Exchanges:

Liqui: https://liqui.io/#/exchange/BMC_BTC
Tidex: https://tidex.com/exchange/bmc/btc
EtherDelta: https://etherdelta.com/#BMC-ETH                              
HitBTC: https://hitbtc.com/BMC-to-BTC

Other important links:

Website: BlackmoonCrypto.com
Medium Blog: https://medium.com/blackmoon-crypto/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/blackmoonfg/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/BlackmoonFG
Slack: https://blackmooncrypto.herokuapp.com/
Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackMoonCrypto/
Mail: info@blackmooncrypto.com

Here's a great new article!
https://medium.com/blackmoon-crypto/hedge-funds-101-1ded201c94df

Also these guys are working their butts off promoting it, I'm glad they have a great understanding of marketing. Their alpha is available to check out and they are beating their promises so far. Sure the price is down a little from the ICO, but it's not like it did a Stox dump or anything.  Moon time happens in October for sure, as they are opening up Continuous Contributer registration in November.

Good strong site, but i dont get the idea yet :(

Check out Youtube theres tons of videos on Blackmoon

The team of Blackmoon Crypto looks extremely promising. So many hedge funds which are in funding phases right now will jump into the market. I think everybody knows what to expect from Blackmoon then. It's a pitty that I have missed the token sale.

Blackmoon Crypto appears to be reading the direction that the markets are heading and they are taking steps that will place them into a position to take advantage of their insight.more and more people will need a platform like the platform Blackmoon Crypto is developing. In my mind,

Yeah, a lot of very good stuff going on with Blackmoon. They have it all. Professional look. Great marketing. Continuous flow of information. But I guess like everyone else, exposed to public crypto space so you get a lot of morons whining and flooding support with questions that can be answered from the whitepaper.

I might get in, but after a few weeks of listing!

It's not to late for you. BMC is trading on Liqui for under the ICO price.

I'm tempted to buy because of the low price (in theory they should start buying back the tokens), but something just smell fishy about this project... Probably gonna stay clear.

Bounty hunters! It looks like they are done fixing the books and bounty distribution is scheduled for tomorrow. I recommend that bounty hunters heed my advice and hold your stakes. If you dump on the markets, then you are giving your stakes away and somebody else will enjoy the profits that could have been yours. There are a lot of negotiations going on through the back channels so just wait for that giant green candle to make your moves.

If you are an investor, there's still time to get in on this opportunity, price is cheap, but it probably wont be for long. I have a feeling that a major move is in the works.


Always trust your gut feelings. If it don't feel right to you, then you should stay away. Do your own research and make informed decisions because there are a lot of scams out there. There are also a lot of opportunities, so research diligently. You are doing well.

This is certainly not a quick flip, so I expect to see quite a few people take the buyback option, as not many are willing to wait 3 to 6 months to see a profit.

You know what I have noticed over the years? I have noticed that somehow the crypto markets always seem to pull in the opposite direction of the general consensus. When everybody is thinking sell, sell, sell, the markets suddenly swing in the opposite direction. Game theory is in play upon these markets on a whole different level. Things happens fast and hard when they happen. So if you're thinking it's coming from the left, take some extra time to evaluate what's coming from the right because that's what the game theory engineers are doing.

I think Blackmoon easily outperformer the competitors.
I expect 1 BMC to be worth around $4 by end of this year.
I hope they are also planning to build on EOS rather than Ethereum.
We will see what happens in coming days but It sure sounds like an interesting project.

If the idea is good, why sell it? I do not understand why they conduct these ICOs? This is a crazy roundabout for pumping money from naive people!

I am sure that they cooked the books. The ICOREWARD people, not BMC in particular.  They have been kicking people out of their telegram chat who raise questions about the fairness and transparency of bounty distribution. The stakes were inflated on purpose in the last weak so that not many tokens have to be given to bounty hunters. I suspect and my calculations and also the calculations made by other bounty members and also posted by one of them in the icoreward telegram chat shows that they have decreased the tokens for bounty members by 1/3rd, and inflated the stakes 3x to do so. When you ask them about it, they say that the entire mechanism which was built earlier was made for 3 categories and they had to redo it for 6 categories(those who are in the bounty will understand what i am talking about). However, if you ask them to make the database of posts public, so that it can be audited by one of the community members, they avoid the question and do not reply to it. A few people who were persistent in asking the fairness of distribution were even kicked out of the chat. Even worse is the attitude of ICOREWARD team, one of their team members called the bounty members as, "Blood sucking wives who are getting greedy". The BMC community manager had to intervene and then the above comment was deleted from the chat. To summaries, BMC guys are genuine, but the ICOREWARD team has diverted the tokens to other accounts those do not belong to any of the bounty members who actually participated in the campaign.
BEWARE OF JOINING ANY OF THE CAMPAIGNS BY ICOREWARDS. THEY ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY

Nice ICO even though I did not hear about it before the ICO. I think that I will buy some extra tokens when it hit a new exchange. Hope that my decision is right and blackmoon will give me a lot of money ;)

Heard good things about this ICO. Will definitely wait for the bounty and ICO itself.

Today the price is $0.785. How much was it during ICO?

$1.0 with ETH @ $260

It seems an interesting project. I head the CEO pitching some days ago during a conference in London and, after a brief q&a, I'm pretty confident in buy some token;D

Yep, I got a similar impression about the ICOReward team. At first I thought they were plain clumsy and inexperienced (or hopefully stoned :-)) because they had made some totally absurd mistakes with my stake balance (which they've corrected after I had pointed out to them). Afterwards, they mixed together 3 categories on one hand and 2 categories on the other, but they somehow corrected that, too. Their platform is not transparent and they make lots of mistakes - these are the irrefutable facts. I don't know about these "ghost accounts" but hopefully some manager from BMC will take a peek at their calculations (I mean - into how many languages has BMC WP been translated? The value of the stakes for the translation bounty campaign is ridiculously low comparing to the other ICOs). Maybe the're simply stoned all the time :-)

You have to ask yourself if making a few simple calculations is too much for them, what is to become of this coin.

From slack:

/*
davgonz90 [11:30 AM]
For anyone just stepping in, welcome to the Blackmoon Crypto group! We appreciate everyone who is a part of this community!

BMC is currently listed on:
Liqui: https://liqui.io/#/exchange/BMC_BTC
Tidex: https://tidex.com/exchange/bmc/btc
EtherDelta: https://etherdelta.com/#BMC-ETH                             
HitBTC: https://hitbtc.com/BMC-to-BTC

Other important links:
Website: BlackmoonCrypto.com
Medium Blog: https://medium.com/blackmoon-crypto/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/blackmoonfg/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/BlackmoonFG
Slack: https://blackmooncrypto.herokuapp.com/
Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackMoonCrypto/
Mail: info@blackmooncrypto.com

Once again, thank you for being part of the Blackmoon community! If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask!
*/

Great news; Bounty hunters are now receiving there bounties. I urge all bounty recipients to hold onto your bounty because this project may have great potential. Also, I know there will be those who will dump their bounties onto the markets so this may be an opportunity for investors to pick up some cheap BMC. I remind you all  that the buy back hasn't been initiated yet, so do the math!

ADDENDUM; Beware of FUDSTERS trying to spread the FUD in order to induce price drops so that they can trick you out of your coin. This is when they will come out of their cracks to try and take advantage of the weak hands.

Any news about when the payback function will be launched? Could this be this week?

I believe so.
Wondering how many they'll buy back. Price is currently lower than buyback price (74 ct vs 80 ct): https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/blackmoon-crypto/
It should probably stabilize the price to around 80 ct...
Crazy to think how much money they reserved for the buyback (30%).

Well, nothing was great about the boutny that was paid. Firstly they behaved as if they were giving bounties to beggers and that we did not deserve any of it. Secondly, looks to like they diverted the tokens, look at how the number of tokens given yo bounty members are mostly in 4 digits towards the end of the bounty distribution- https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0xf0f8c14a1a6202e89e61f514bb958433fc227f53&p=1
I personally talked with most of the members in the bounty program, and only 1 member has participated in the custom big posts for bitcointalk that were valued at 10 stakes per post. Thieves stole from us for all the hardwork that we did. Facebook and twitter is also manipulated. They kicked out 1 person who was asking ques and could not give a convincing answer to anyone who raised the issue(everyone did). At some instances, bounty was decreased to 1/3rd or even 1/5th. Looks like they got greedy and diverted 60-70% of bounty tokens to their own accounts. If they did not cook their books, they can easily prove by making the database public, which they are not gonna do coz they are guilty of FRAUD.

They did loads of advertising that's why ppl saw it a lot. But their Whitepaper doesn't convince me.

When I saw this project, I didn't take it serious at first but it seems to me there is more to this project if the team can stay commited to their developmental plan, because I have seen some team get carried awway by the success of their ICO and forget to realise that the job just begins

Actually, I thought they are committed. However, I am starting to change my mind. First, they did not honor their whit ages and invoke the buy back option at 80C.

Second, the bounty issue. Even though I did not participate in the bounty campaign, I hear there are a lot of issue in the distribution.

At this point, we can only wait and see

We need to see if it is real ICO madness thinking it will go to moon or conceptually if it is a good project.

It is trading in few outlets already like(  liqui etherdelta). Let us see if it gets any traction. Currently it has market cap of 22 Mil.

Blackmoon launched the payback function, the development team fulfills all the promises :)

haven't been a lot of ICOs I've loved lately, but this one covered all the bases for my to take a punt on.

I do not like this one  >:(

Hmmm?  We'll see where this goes. Things are going down behind the scenes that people aren't aware is developing. The question is whether it will affect the price or not.

 

What kind of things? Legal and compliance issue? technical issue? Would you be able to elaborate more and give more information?

Yes, actually if you can elaborate bit more I'd be happy because I have also invested some money on blackmoon crypto and I hope nothing bad will happen.

For me it is very strange complete ignorance of answering serious question:
"1.) Under which jurisdiction does Blackmoon Financial Group and Blackmoon Crypto belong ?"
asked here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2075919.msg20829775#msg20829775
here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2075919.msg20836346#msg20836346
and here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2075919.msg20843580#msg20843580
And all was received "Crypto was incorporated in Ireland"
So, it seems like PR-manager can not or want not to answer. Why?
UPDATE
Because the company can be found here https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanySearch.aspx

Name   Number   Address   Type
BLACKMOON FINANCE LIMITED   583698   THIRD FLOOR ST JAMES' HOUSE, ADELAIDE ROAD DUBLIN 2   C

Something is not right with these people. Price still under 80c and this buyback option will never be invoked!

BlackMoon tokens were sold for crypto, that's why, i think, it is wrong to measure token price in fiat. Due BTC rised significantly BlackMoon can buy out all of tokens on the market and still get profit.
And even considering this, auto-buy does not happen. Strange  :(

i see this coin already hit on liqui and hitBTC and other exchanges, is it a new coin, i rarely heard this coin before

Indeed it smells fishy! I should have used the buy back for .80$ with 20% loss. Now im stuck with bmc tokens at almost 50% loss... Learned something with this experience.

Concur! buyback is a BIG FAT lie

The buyback program already happened. It closed about 2 days ago after using 100% of the allocated funds.

Anyone how was paying attention to their telegram group knew about it.

Now without the buyback safety net, the price is dropping to where it should have been in the first place.

yes but bmc ico is very success. its end in 1 day and gain 30 million usd. i wonder if its posible for the value rise again

Everybody know about crypto currency Trading site but in this online market there are so many crypto currency Trading Site but all site are not a real site. many site will be a scam so you should must check those site review. Now a Days Blackmoon Crypto came online Market and we can say it is a nice program, everybody can use this program.

Blackmoon did really great in their ICO, and I believe that's justified. To start with, funds in general are a great implementation for the Blockchain industry, it will become very intuitive to simply buy an asset without going through so many intermediaries, it will become flawless. What I like about Blackmoon is the various products they offer, they categorize them depending on the level of risk the investor wants to take, and they cover whatever any investor would be insterested in (Stocks, Gold, Crypto's etc.). So there is something there for everyone. It of course complicates things, if you compare it with e.g. TaaS - even though TaaS doesn't offer so many products, it keep things simple and has already proven that their divident distribution works like a charm. It's nice to see Blackmoon getting on board at the fund sector because we'll be witnessing some insane growth from institutional investors, going from traditional investments to crypto investments.

I am holding on to Blackmoon tokens too since the ICO. Although the price of the tokens do not does the team justice, I still believe that the dev team will come out with working project on schedule and the ecosystem of the blackmoon will work as what was promise.

Actually, they cooked the books for their bounty program and they kept a much larger percentage of the tokens then they claimed ---> if they are going to cook the books, lie, and cheat there, then they will cook the books, lie, and cheat everywhere else too.  That's why the valuation is decreasing ---> people aren't stupid enough to invest into a business that openly demonstrates that it is willing to manipulate the books in their own favor, especially a business whose business model is centered around keeping books.

All ICO's lately seel to have the same path of development of the prices, so I would not worry particularly for this specific case.

Blackmoon Crypto? Never heard of it. It hits my curiosity and I wanna know more about it.

Price is around 0.0001 BTC, below ICO still.

Anyone has news about this? How development is looking and what milestoes we expecting?

They raised lot of money in the ICO so hopefully will do good once current
weakness in altcoins is over.

The actual problem is that they are too slow to develop the platform.
Investors (I follow their telegram) didn't undestand the buyback.... and are the moment nervous.

Anyway, they have a lot o money after ICO... I think that will launch their platform soon or later...

Didn't BMC set aside 30% or so of the raised ICO capital for buybacks? Those of you claiming the buy back is a scam (I think they have only done 1 so far) what happened?

LIES, LIES, LIES and nothing but LIES

You mean 50% under ICO price.

It is a Russian project, like many projects nowadays. They have collected a lot of money during the ICO, but they were not very active on Bitcointalk.

Rather than freaking out about the current price & spreading FUD, I'm using this time to accumulate more BMC as despite the recent price performance i'm actually quite bullish on this project, especially with the platform going live & first funds being implemented in a few months.

They have a good product,so it means this is a good ico.Lets hope that this ICO will give us free money after we bought the pre-ico sale.

looks good, but currently not a good timing to invest on alt-coins, BTC draw out the liquidity

Did you see this article: Billionaire’s rushing to Buy Cryptocurrency as Bankers Speak Out (https://coinblip.com/blog/billionaires-russian-buy-cryptocurrency-bankers-speak/)



I think this is huuuge for Blackmoon if it's true! I wonder why they didn't share this news on twitter.
Blackmoon Crypto (BMC) is slowly recovering but it's still very undervalued and I would expect such news to push it up much more. If Abramovich really invested in Blackmoon, let's say a million USD which is a small amount for him, the price should go over 1 USD easily.
What do you think?

definitly a good try

Just finished buying 1.2% of entire amount. Took me 2 days to buy that. Let's see how it will make $1 billion :)

They seem to have a solid long term plan and have been very transparent in conveying a message that this project will take time to grow. I invested in the ICO and I am happy with there progress because they were honest to this point.

exactly. That moment bought me too.

Guys, any updates since we had meeting in Miami? Waiting to see more news.

Ilya Remizov, CTO of BlackMoon Crypto (BMC), answers questions about being one of the latest tokens to join the rapidly growing Bancor Network: https://steemit.com/bancor/@bancor-network/bmc-blackmoon-crypto-bancor-partner-testimonial

Blackmoon platform launched: https://news.blackmooncrypto.com/blackmoon-platform-launched-f1b3fe4ee43e

how about getting BMC onto Abra in the future?

Blackmoon shows two-level architecture of their smart contracts


Here is the post of Ilya Remizov (CTO) with explanations about Achilles’ heel of smart contracts in general and specifically about two-level architecture of BMC contracts - https://news.blackmooncrypto.com/blackmoon-smart-contracts-51a935fc9311

the blockmoon crypto is one of the bridges where you can invest even in the world to earn money and bieng successful to the future

Blockmoon. Also fine.

 :D

Actually, I lost all faith in cryptocurrency markets predominately controlled by the Russians. At first, I believed that the Russian developed projects were something special but I have come to realize that the culture in Russia is based highly on a Kleptocratic philosophy. They are thieves first and businessman second. I have not found an honest Russian project to date.

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Anyone got any rewards as continuous contributor yet?

Honestly, I feel so confused with this project, I've heard about this , but I still need to read  more information

Indeed, I likewise put resources into this coin and I think they have an awesome future. I think in multi year they may cost $10 more.

Blackmoon is a promising platform that will bring the advantages of fiat money and cryptocurrency to maximize the profits of investors. Basically, the goal of Blackmoon Crypto is to fund investment funds. You can buy and sell investment funds as easily as you would to buy and sell cryptocurrency. The cryptocurrency is still connected to the stock, but you avoid the high transfer costs of traditional exchange markets.

if I think I see at the moment I begin to understand why prices are declining to the point where they are below ICO prices, because everyone who invests to make money quickly goes out to save their money elsewhere.