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Title: buying or mining
Post by: sdminer on May 25, 2013, 04:53:56 AM
that is the question....


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: nor9866 on May 25, 2013, 04:56:06 AM
Buying and mining that is my answer.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: animan on May 25, 2013, 05:39:43 AM
Why not both?


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Lycanthroat on May 25, 2013, 05:47:45 AM
Less investment with buying. 


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: threatgreater on May 25, 2013, 05:59:07 AM
Nothing wrong with mining on your own hardware for a bit... until you realize it's not going to get you much :)


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Lycanthroat on May 25, 2013, 06:01:00 AM
It's really too late to start mining, from what I read.  You can do the investment for the hardware, but really, the only thing that tells you that you will make your money back is butterfly's own calculator.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Coldfats on May 25, 2013, 10:43:09 AM
Try mining litecoins? Slightly more lucrative I think.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: MorXpe on May 25, 2013, 11:03:48 AM
Definitely buying.

When you wanna get into mining you need an ASIC hardware, which is expensive.
It is very unlikely that you will ever break even, because ordering it now (from Avalon, Butterfly labs) you have to wait for months. And the network Hash Rate is drastically increasing making your investment less and less profitable every month. ASICMiner is the only company that delivers ASICs quickly, but again, their hardware is for professionals and you'll need some skill to set it up.

In my opinion the best solution (if you really want to get into mining) is to buy ASICMiner shares. You're getting profits from everything friedcat (company owner) mines with his 22 TH/s machines and you get your cut from every penny he makes on ASIC hardware sales, so you're not all dependent on his mining network percentage. Profits are divided equally on every share (there are 400,000 total shares, ~230,000 still belong to friedcat).

Why shares, not hardware?:
1. You don't need any professional skills.
2. You don't have to spend your time taking care of it.
3. Your money is liquid, you can sell your shares with a single click (and you can't do this with hardware).

Even though buying shares is a risky business, I believe it is fairly safe compared to investing into mining hardware not knowing how to deal with it.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: DoctorCentauri on May 25, 2013, 12:57:22 PM
And where you can buy shares?



Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: DRKMSTR on May 25, 2013, 01:38:25 PM
If you had to ask, you cant afford it.

:P


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Gabi on May 25, 2013, 01:57:45 PM
Easy: what is cheaper!


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: xmlHTTP on May 25, 2013, 02:04:31 PM
Absolutely buying


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Birdy on May 25, 2013, 02:07:09 PM
Buying


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: zpm on May 25, 2013, 02:11:40 PM
both


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Lohoris on May 25, 2013, 02:14:38 PM
And where you can buy shares?
here (https://btct.co/security/ASICMINER-PT) (or here (https://btct.co/security/TAT.ASICMINER) if you have a small budget).


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: princesshannah on May 25, 2013, 02:15:22 PM
I think buying some and mining the rest is best for you.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: hiddenoreo on May 25, 2013, 02:15:31 PM
ITs easier and cheaper just to buy it -_-


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: princesshannah on May 25, 2013, 02:23:28 PM
ITs easier and cheaper just to buy it -_-

But mining is more profitable sometimes....  :-\


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Gabi on May 25, 2013, 02:41:46 PM
Just choose what is moar profitable.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: cyph on May 25, 2013, 02:44:40 PM
buy


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: zpm on May 25, 2013, 02:45:01 PM
trading shares seems confusing although it might be a more profitable investment than buying or getting into mining


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: DoctorCentauri on May 25, 2013, 03:13:01 PM
And where you can buy shares?
here (https://btct.co/security/ASICMINER-PT) (or here (https://btct.co/security/TAT.ASICMINER) if you have a small budget).

Thank you!



Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Lohoris on May 25, 2013, 03:14:21 PM
And where you can buy shares?
here (https://btct.co/security/ASICMINER-PT) (or here (https://btct.co/security/TAT.ASICMINER) if you have a small budget).

Thank you!


np!


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: nviere on May 25, 2013, 03:28:23 PM
Buy


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: bobboooiie on May 25, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
for your question buying At the moment. But for a love of god dont try to day trade shares unless you know what you are doing


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: conf on May 25, 2013, 03:52:40 PM
both :)


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: ParalysedBeaver on May 25, 2013, 04:12:41 PM
Why not both?


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: xmlHTTP on May 25, 2013, 04:20:12 PM
Beacuse if you buy a 1300 dollars miner you make 10 dollars in 1 day. If you buy 1300 dollars of bitcoin you make 13 dollars in 1 day...13 > 10 so........

BUY


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: sdminer on May 26, 2013, 01:41:32 AM
interesting topic. thanks for your replies.

I started checking out mining and it is fun. Kinda reminds me of when I was learning basic computer programming.

It is so tempting to want to by a new miner, but I will check out the share program first. Thanks


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: DoctorCentauri on May 26, 2013, 08:52:15 AM
Beacuse if you buy a 1300 dollars miner you make 10 dollars in 1 day. If you buy 1300 dollars of bitcoin you make 13 dollars in 1 day...13 > 10 so........

BUY

Why you make 13$ a day if you buy bitcoins for 1300$?

MfG


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: smoothie on May 26, 2013, 08:53:30 AM
Past has shown that Buying/holding bitcoin is a much more profitable investment than mining bitcoins.

I've mined bitcoins in Spring of 2011 and what I was able to mine versus what I was able to buy (in terms of BTC) was more when I just bought it outright.



Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: xmlHTTP on May 26, 2013, 09:14:53 AM
Beacuse if you buy a 1300 dollars miner you make 10 dollars in 1 day. If you buy 1300 dollars of bitcoin you make 13 dollars in 1 day...13 > 10 so........

BUY

Why you make 13$ a day if you buy bitcoins for 1300$?

MfG

It depends, 2 days ago I made 60 dollars just because the BTC price raised.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Zaih on May 26, 2013, 09:17:59 AM
Buying seems more practical at the moment in my opinion.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: cescan on May 26, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
 mining


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: awgilyas on May 26, 2013, 11:33:54 AM
Why not both? Also. Must. Get. ASICs  ;D.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Nefios on May 26, 2013, 12:11:17 PM
Lately I think buying makes more sense.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Hullabaloo on May 26, 2013, 12:31:09 PM
Buying.

If you want to make as much profit mining as from buying, you have to devote a lot of time setting up your machines, tracking what coins to mine, calculating profitability vs. electricity costs, trying to be first to market with your new pump n dump coins, etc. To make decent volumes you also have to make a large investment in machines outright.  In other words, it's not unlike having a 2nd job that pays as well as flipping burgers. :)

If you do it just for fun that's fine though, you can quit any time.

Buying, well all you have to do is buy some BTC on an exchange, wait for it to go up, 'save' it back to USD. Wait till it drops and do it again. If you're unfamiliar with day trading, don't do anything else, and I imagine you can get a 2% return every day for 10 minutes worth of work. Might not sound like a lot, but do it every day and you've doubled your money in 5 weeks. (Did I mention I'm not good at this stuff yet? :) )

That's just my humble opinion and I love to learn new stuff :)


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: yoloswag on May 26, 2013, 12:35:10 PM
buy ldo


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: gibbinss1 on May 26, 2013, 12:56:48 PM
Mining on conventional graphics cards is pretty useless now with the new miners coming out.
Graphics cards used to have the benefit of resale value - miners can ONLY be used for Bitcoins.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: QueenB on May 26, 2013, 01:17:36 PM
I think both....but mining without ASICs is crazy...hardly worth the time and effort


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Foaz on May 26, 2013, 02:10:17 PM
You can't really tell ... If you can get your hands on some ASIC miner, you should mine. Now.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: thomassie12 on May 26, 2013, 02:36:20 PM
i reckon buying


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: umair122 on May 26, 2013, 03:50:52 PM
buying only, still learning to mine.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: nor9846 on May 26, 2013, 04:32:12 PM
buying and selling ripples and alts.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Kurcoin on May 26, 2013, 05:18:18 PM
buying of course!


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: flyingmonkeycrap on May 26, 2013, 06:03:22 PM
Both is the best!


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: control-z on May 26, 2013, 06:35:51 PM
Both - but not much either way  :)


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: robert5 on May 26, 2013, 07:22:02 PM
that is the question....

Both


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: CryptoMinter on May 26, 2013, 07:45:48 PM
It depends on your intentions. Mining helps the network become stronger, makes attacks more difficult, etc. Investing cash helps the market liquidity, makes the currency more useful.

Investing cash has the most risk since the market value could go to zero overnight, but it has the most potential for deflationary gains. Investing in hardware retains some residual value even if the coin goes to zero.


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: tescomatty on May 26, 2013, 07:55:40 PM
Buying bitcoin is better than mining it with GPU unlesss you have very cheap electricity


Title: Re: buying or mining
Post by: Number 7 on May 26, 2013, 07:59:10 PM
Buying unless you have an ASIC.