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Hi there fellow worshipers of Bitcoin and the world of crypto generally,

SkullCard here to announce we are opening a new crypto based casino shortly and are just in final negotiations now with major distributors of online gaming software such as Playtech Microgaming and setting up the necessary servers to handle any traffic or DDoS/hack attempts anyone may attempt on our site once it's launched.

Our aim is to bring you the best possible experience we can offer and would just like to announce our existence to you and we will provide you with something to enjoy that will not scam you like such websites as bitZino.com and other nefarious practitioners of online gaming using real world currencies also. At present there is a site under construction called bitzinoscamDOTcom to help route out these dishonest scam artists.

We will be offering everything from Roulette including zero green tables, Baccarat, Live Tables, Poker Tournament, Texas HoldEm, Craps, Pokies, Slots, various Blackjack and many many more to choose from.

We won't even consider bitZino to be a competitor since their whole operation is not only illegal since the United States banned online gaming in 2006, but highly fraudulent also for high rollers who commonly are scammed out of their money through their unscrupulous gaming practices despite their claims of being as they like to say "Provably Fair" offering no proof except their word, and those of us involved in the administration of casino software are more than aware of theirs and other abilities to dupe their players through manipulating outcomes and careful monitoring of games and modifying outcomes to suit their nefarious ends and steal your hard earned money.

Based on their obviously primitive design, lack of instant online support and proper live tables, leaves anyone who has gambled online much to be desired in every aspect from legality to safety, despite the lack of oversight of their systems etc, we recommend others beware of this rogue website operating under the noses of the legal authorities of the United States and they will be brought offline very soon and are attempting to rake in as much as possible prior to this outcome and you only need to look at Strike Sapphire to see the difference in a company who cares about it's legality and good standing making it impossible for US players (relatively speaking) to use their site obeying the laws of the Unites States compared to other such casino sites as bitZino who break the law by accepting players from the US where they are based also. Although Bit777 do accept US players, there is a stark contrast between themselves at Bitzino for all to see and since their servers are not based out of the US they are not obliged to follow US laws.

We will also be trying to work with Bit777 and Strike Sapphire along with BetWithBTC.com eventually to establish a Bitcoin gaming regulatory body that we will all contribute funding to to voluntarily oversee our systems to ensure you that what we offer is not only truly "provably fair" but is also overseen by someone you can trust with honest statistics and gaming probabilities based on proper analytic software and gaming histories.

Although these bitZino people claim to offer you a hash to allegedly "prove" their games are fair, this is far from the case and extremely deceptive and what you can consider that as is your receipt for your game history on their system and anything but a fair RNG system as the picture accompanying this message shows.

We implore you until we are up and running that you only bet, should you wish to, at either Strike Sapphire or Bit777, as you will never see results such as this image at our casino that give you more chance of going to the moon in a Volkswagen than happening in a proper casino, or indeed any casino's online even blacklisted ones one casinomeister.com's website etc that this casino belongs in and would if they operated with real world currencies.

We will be launching some time in the next few months and will accommodate the ability to use Litecoin also at this stage, and possibly other currencies eventually as well once we have ironed out some kinks and done continuous rigorous testing of our systems as we wish to ensure everything is safe and secure for you to gamble with confidence on our site.

At present we are currently debating whether to operate a system similar to Bit777 that offers you 100 "chips" for each currency you choose to play with OR, we can convert your deposits to USD upon depositing at the then market value and when you cashout in your chosen crypto again you get the market value of said currency at time with a live feed on our site showing and we would like some feedback on what people would prefer before we launch. At present we are leaning toward BTC/LTC only but if we go the other direction we will be able to accept virtually an endless amount of crypto's as payment opening the site to many others involved in the crypto mining world.

We look forward to offering you a completely safe, legitimate and fair platform to play and should you win with us you can rest assured you will get what you win without being defrauded of your winnings or have them taken from you with impossible occurrences like the young man on Reddit who was taken by bitZino's operators for $500K worth of BTC's in a matter of minutes and you will know we are legitimate also because we would never allow someone to gamble this sum without providing extra evidence they aren't either attempting to use our site to launder money or that they can afford to lose that sum by providing proof of who they are. It is only under exceptional circumstances we will require ID from anyone however and if we suspect you of malpractice we will reverse any transactions and certainly not keep something that is not rightfully ours.

We want you to have fun on our site not lose your entire life savings however what occurred to him will not occurred on our site as he managed to get twenty or more of the same color opposing his color on roulette that is clearly evidence of malpractice on the sites owners since like this picture attached to this message is virtually impossible with a proper RNG being that it's probability of occurring is 1,813,778 to 1 and if you favor odds such as these we recommend you gamble on the Lottery instead of our casino because we believe you will have more to gain than a few rounds of Craps.

We will update this post periodically letting you know our progress as we get closer to launch date and unlike bitZino we will have a plethora of games for you to chose from as we said using legitimate software from the biggest players in the industry and not something someone cooked up in their bedroom involving "twists" and above all "secrets" that you can never, and will never prove to be true.

Will be in touch and wish you all the best. Stay safe and remember to be a Leet you have to pay to be Leet in this industry, because nothing in this world is free except for WOW money and only then that's assuming you've "hacked the Gibson" and generated free items or money. If we find anyone trying to penetrate our systems or networks we'll "echo 23 and see what's up" and then "insist the FBI take more strenuous action" lol.

Look forward to being a part of your lives if you gamble and offering customers a service that's second to none!

Peace and Love - SkullCard

http://postimg.org/image/j45rtb8ud/81699ff3/

https://i.imgur.com/gI7aaKy.jpg

Your screenshot shows 10 reds in a row on the provably fair site, bitZino.

https://i.imgur.com/x1VmW7k.png

My screenshot shows 9 blacks in a row on the not probably fair site, Strike Sapphire.  Not shown are the two previous spins, which were also black (see the chat) making 11 in a row.

These things happen, and aren't even particularly rare.  11 the same colour in a row happens about once every 1350 spins on average (assuming a single zero).

You also seem to have some basic misunderstandings of how provable fairness works.  bitZino proves mathematically that they do not and can not cheat the player.  It takes a little effort to understand how that works, but it's worth doing rather than spending that time posting obvious falsehoods here.


Losing 20 red/black bets in a row happens once every 615124 spins on average and so it would be surprising if it hadn't happened already given how popular the site is:

https://assets.bitzino.com/assets/numbers/2012/hands_played-9ce0c7a877ef4c98911fe61e31d384fd.png

And if you read his thread more carefully, you'll see that he didn't really get 20 losses in a row:


Sounds like he wasn't really counting and doesn't remember.  He was clearly out of control.  And the $500k that he lost wasn't his life savings, it was previous gambling winnings.  You don't turn $100 into $500k gambling without taking a bunch of crazy risks.  He got lucky, then he got unlucky.  It certainly doesn't prove that bitZino are cheating.  And their provable fairness system can be used to satisfy yourself that they're not.

I'm not affiliated with bitZino in any way.  I don't even have a referral link for them.  They're just the best Bitcoin casino I've found so far.

Good one!  :)

That Strike Sapphire one has a distinct difference, the repetition of three numbers occurring consecutively which for all intents and purposes is impossible combined with the fact that this one also happened to be fifteen deep of reds.

10 of the same color in a row has a  1,346 to 1 chance and therefore is relatively rare but not on bitZino and 15 deep as this screenshot was a 49,423 to 1 chance of occurring and combined with just a single number repeating itself are 1,368 to 1 and the chances of it happening consecutively three times in a row combined with the odds of a 15 deep string of any particular color are for all intents and purposes impossible and as previously stated you have a better chance of winning the lottery!  ::)

The chances of a twenty deep string of a red/black, odd\/even, High or low is actually 1,813,778 to 1 or a percentage chance of 0.000055% and I suggest you check your claims prior to making statements you clearly are not capable of adequately deducing as can be shown here, and the fact you are forever telling this person how to fix his code shows more holes in your beliefs than a block of Swiss cheese. Perhaps like these figures you ought to reconsider your mistaken claims of knowing something you can not prove and unless the hash tag were sent to a third party and overseen by an independent governing body then "provably fair" has about as much truth as the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus.

Furthermore if you wish to discuss this Strike Sapphire is quite active on the casinomeister.com forums and I am sure he would be happy to address any issues you have as you sound a little butt-hurt that they banned you from playing there for, as you claim having multiple accounts, but was more likely the fact you were either a US citizen and they are obeying the law of a country which by the way unlike bitZino is not registered in the US and therefore not liable to any repercussions but choose to do so anyway showing quite clearly they are doing the right thing by the US Government as well as their patrons, or you are running your account through a proxy and were detected doing so.

If you wish to gamble your money with dishonest websites then I can not help you Strike Sapphire uses a genuine RNG and I will repeat myself one more time that bitZino are NOT provably fair and the fact you believe this is comical!  :-\

Good luck playing against a loaded dice my friend and I can assure you the gentleman in question lost what he claims. I find your sycophantic behavior to be somewhat disturbing and one need only look at the quality of Strike Sapphire using software that although doesn't compare with ours is clearly a superior site, and doesn't require input from someone such as yourself on every glitch under the sun and was not coded by some someone in their basement at home.

However sadly, the world is full of people willing to give their money to dishonest people as clearly illustrated by your incessant brownosing of the Devil that steals your belongings and we can not help you if you wish to do so as I said, good luck.

SkullCard    :)


*Edit: Also, it was his life savings as he used his $50K student loan to get that far ahead not $100 as yet you claim again something of which you have no understanding and now can not finish his degree at MIT he was half way through completing (3yrs remaining) because he was taken for a long ride, like yourself allows to happen and as will happen to libertaad AKA Larry Taad when the US authorities finish their investigations and get around to arresting him and his accomplices.

Looks nice, i'll look into it for sure

That's pretty cool :)

All combinations of outcomes of equal length are equally likely.  The 10 numbers in your screenshot are just as likely as 10 zeroes in a row, for instance.


I quoted the odds of losing 20 such bets in a row.  That includes getting zeroes.  It doesn't matter because this "20 reds in a row" never happened, according to the original reddit post itself.


I've never told him how to fix his code.  I've never seen his code.  I've seen his site, made suggestions about how it could be better, and he's listened.  Sometimes he does what I suggest, sometimes he doesn't, but either way he's quick and efficient about it.  Except for adding keyboard shortcuts.  He sucks at that...


You ought to do some reading before you do more writing on the subject.  You're making yourself look silly.  "hash tag" is something to do with twitter.  In short, here's how it works: the site picks a random text string, and publishes its hash in advance.  Then I pick any text string I like, and send it to the site.  The site then sticks those two strings together and uses the result to select the outcome of the spin.  Then they reveal their text string.  I can verify that the hash they published in advance is correct, and that our two strings together give the result we saw.  That way they can't possibly pick the outcome of any spin, since my text string affects the outcome.

https://bitzino.com/about/fair goes into more detail if you want to understand.  But if you want to just keep ranting about hash tags, third parties, etc. then that's OK too.


I think Josh has heard quite enough from me on the topic.  He never thought I was in the US, or using a proxy.  He thought that I was about 6 different people who I referred to the casino.  One of them was called "Doug", and that was close enough to make him think it was me.  I was actively encouraging friends to sign up, selling them Bitcoins so they could deposit, telling them about the promotional bonuses, etc.  All the things that I thought he wanted, but it didn't work out.  He also told me my girlfriend doesn't exist, which is a little offensive (even though he spoke to her on Skype).  But none of that matters - just saying that Sapphire isn't an option for me any more.


It's really not about belief.  It's about mathematics.  You can verify for yourself, spin by spin, that it is fair.


I'm not claiming he didn't.  He was obviously betting huge amounts to from $100 up to $500k and back again.  Long losing streaks happen.  Martingale is a crappy strategy that doesn't work, long term.


The Sapphire software was written by Josh (I don't know if he wrote it in his bedroom or basement, or why you care what room people write their code in), and had some really ugly bugs in it.  I probably reported more bugs about Sapphire than any other site I've played at.  Josh rewarded me in loyalty points for each bug I reported, promising that they're be worth something some day, and then took them all away when he banned me.  Also I personally prefer the speed and clean look of the bitZino HTML5 interface to the proprietary mess that is Abode Flash used in the Sapphire interface, but realise that's just a personal preference.

All I know is what I read in the reddit thread (http://www.reddit.com/tb/1cjclg):


and


Both of these quotes make it pretty clear that he didn't play with any of his $50k USD student loan until after he had lost his initial Bitcoin "investment".

I am not going to argue with you buddy, you have been warned out of sheer generosity of our not wishing to see you lose your money unfairly, and disproven that your mathematical skills aren't up to par and anyone would think you work for bitZino the way you go on.  ::)

However more than likely it is because they are the only website with no moral scruples and will take your money I am inclined to believe Josh before yourself I'm afraid just like my genuine statistics and odds over your... I don't how you came up with those odds, but they are incorrect as is your misplaced faith in someone who takes your belongings without any moral scruples and breaks US Federal Law in order to do so which should speak volumes in itself.  :-[

Good day dooglus!  :)

SkullCard  8)


*Edit: I will say that if you think 3800BTC's is $380,000 you should go back to sophomore math class and start again!     :D

Keep them coming. Does it have sports betting?

Not at this stage but we are considering it somewhere down the line once we have been up and running for a while.

I would like to add that to have SportsBet means incorporating a whole lot more systems and staff into our site and we are not yet finished ironing out the kinks for what we have at present, but it's fair to say that in time we will be able to.

You need to realize to have this option is basically building an entirely new casino platform and a sh!t tonne of hard work and expenditure, pardon my French, and we are doing our best to bring you everything from Live Tables (with extremely pretty girls) to the best software money can buy and everything from VISA and PayPal for verified patrons to crypto's for those who don't want those features, live assistance and a VIP program, and what we are doing is a huge undertaking spanning the entire globe.

Once we are fully functional we will see what happens, but for now I can not make promises I can not keep and so I will just leave it at that since we would need bookies from everywhere from EU to AU, let alone incorporating them into our systems in real time BUT, we may have a form of casino gambling on randomized horse racing games that imitate at least this sport and we will also have poker tournaments etc too.

Unfortunately, SportsBet also requires a whole new set of licenses to acquire and perhaps we could have a discussion and see if we can't launch it as a sister site to our main casino and if you register at one then you have the option to register at our other, but we aren't Caesar's Palace but Rome wasn't built in a day so leave it with us.

We will do our best in the future to accommodate this request if there is enough demand that I can give you my word on.  ;)

Best wishes and thank for your inquiry it was a good question and one that had arisen during our round table discussions in the boardroom.  :)

Kind regard - SkullCard

You've proven nothing.  I don't think you would even recognise a proof.  I support any site that offers provably fair gaming.  It's a great innovation and more sites should embrace the idea.


These odds?


I can try to explain it to you if you like.  If you bet on a colour, you lose with probability 19/37 (since there are 18 of the other colour and one zero that make you lose, making 19 losing numbers, out of 37 total numbers.  To get the probability of that happening 20 times in a row, you raise 19/37 to the 20'th power.  And to get the average number of spins for that to happen, you take the reciprocal of the probability:


... or about 615124.


I didn't say anything like that.  I quoted the reddit post where he said:


That implies a price of $211.11 per Bitcoin, which happened during the recent price correction.  I expect you misread what I quoted, reading 1800 BTC as 3800 BTC.

I'm sorry if you still don't understand how provable fairness works.  I've tried my best to explain it to you but you seem blinded by your mistrust of bitZino.  I guess we can just leave it at that.

I misread that dude because I was thinking in the back of my mind what they were worth at the time he gambled them and I have more on my plate than arguing with a sycophant who clearly likes to brownose criminals and I have to reiterate that was the price he played at because he couldn't sell them due to the MTGOX lag on the feed, and has since lost another 50K's worth bought at $60 odd dollars which at current value is over $100K.

I don't need your apologies and although I understand the concept perfectly well, your misguided beliefs in a system set out to defraud you and the general public by breaking the law is kind of sad and I no longer care if you are exploited by it since you have been warned and your maths is incorrect and you can verify that here. http://www.roulettestar.com/probability.php

As I said, unless that hash is sent to a third party regulator independent of any outside influence then you can consider it nothing more than a barcode for your gaming session and furthermore, using specific programs this can be decrypted which would lead them open to huge exploitation were one so inclined as can be seen here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1t2EbrY6iw

And how easily one can abuse admin privileges for casino software here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORI5fC7EzZc

All that aside, one only need to take a look at their web site to see they are in no way comparable to Bit777 or soon to be ourselves, or indeed even the worst of casinomeister.com's worst blacklisted sites, should be more than enough evidence in and of itself.

So beat it dooglus, I think you are in the wrong thread and you are starting to get on my nerves note the opening line in this YouTube 60 Minutes story that it's illegal and unregulated and trusting a complete stranger running a site designed to take your money to be honest when they break US Federal Law to do so is a joke of the worst kind.

It doesn't matter if you use $, BTC or oranges to gamble with as currency online outside Nevada licensed bookies, and the reason we know this is we have been in discussion with certain US authorities to help decide whether or not to accommodate US patrons and at this stage we will be following Strike Sapphire's lead in this decision to exclude them, and therefore I would say you too, in the best interests of themselves and us, however Bit777 will accommodate them for now which they are allowed to due being based out of the Netherlands and not the US unlike bitzino.com.

You can see here that even the biggest players in the business cheat their customers and were a crucial reason behind us not going with Playtech's platform... for the record!
http://online_casino_news.hundredpercentgambling.com/2009/05/william-hill-joyland-casino-and.htm

Cheers - SkullCard

Please include a TL;DR section for people who don't want to read large blocks/pages of text.

Also I could not find your link to your site...is there one?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161236.0

You honestly think that's legit?

That's what I call a LOL!

Enjoy believing a lie my friend because that means absolutely nothing when a site's gone rogue.

Honestly, I wonder why I even bothered announcing our arrival in the coming weeks when people enjoy the fantasy they are a legitimate casino`but here I am attempting to tell you that hash is nothing more than a receipt for their systems and short of it being sent to and independent 3rd party with no stake in the outcome prior to wagering bets it's irrelevant!

If you understood how casino software works mate you would not bother with the delusion they are even remotely fair, however I understand the concept of it as previously stated and if you had read what I wrote you would know this!

Tell you what, invest several million $ in setting one up and licensing software from the best in the business and get back to me until then I'm not going to answer anymore questions regarding their legitimacy since they are illegal, and yet you believe they care about fairness?

I appreciate the gesture but I am completely aware of how it's supposed to work, it doesn't make it so and is why even if you looked at what I had written or the image displayed shows the difference between them and a legitimate RNG that has to be reset every spin.

Forgive me if I seem terse however I haven't had a good afternoon and the last thing I need is someone trying to tell me something I am aware of already.

The ONLY way any casino can be fair is to be independently audited by an organization such as eCOGRA or TST etc but we want to work with Bit777 and Strike Sapphire and others who obey the law upon launching our site, to setup an independent body to oversee BTC gaming and ONLY then will they be able to be deemed provably anything by which time it's safe to assume the owners will be arrested as they are committing numerous felonies ever second of the day as previously stated.

I suggest you read what has been written and you will see this has been covered already!

I would like to add that madmax on the link you gave me understands completely and echo's what I've been saying all along.

Only when there's a third party involved can anything be considered legitimate because otherwise there's no consequences to the scamming involved and bitZino have scammed so many people someone's gone and built a website, or is at least in the process, called www.bitzinoscam.com dedicated to outing them and so are we!

Regards - SkullCard

It goes something like this:

* we are opening a casino "soon".  it will be grate.  we certainly won't ever spin ten reds in a row on roulette.  ever.  won't be allowed.

* the biggest existing competition is, oddly enough, a scam.  not because we want to take their business, we have real evidence, as follows:

* provably fair is a scam because 'hashtags' can be 'decrypted' (even though if that was possible, bitcoin mining would be trivial, since it's much easier to find the partial collision needed to mine a block than it is to reverse a hash).

* bitzino is a scam because somebody gambled and lost their student loan on it.

* bitzino is a scam because - well, just look at the design!  it doesn't even have 'pretty girls'.  and the person who programmed it was in either his bedroom or a basement.  everyone knows non-scam code is developed in offices!

* i'm not going to argue with anyone who has compelling evidence to the contrary.  because i would lose.

dooglus I have told you before, there are always the chances of ten reds in a row on a proper legitimate RNG, not likely 15 that this was taken from and certainly not three consecutive repetitions of numbers involved in that as it's a common occurrence on bitZino however I suspect you are too dim to realize this while you waste you hard earned money on your "satellite from outer space" computer because I will agree on that, you are a space cadet.

I was over discussing anything with you a while ago and you are beginning to be a nuisance.

Waste your money at your friend's casino whom you've snuggled up to like a good little obedient lap dog because he'll give you little treats to gamble with that he knows you will put straight back through his site anyway.

I will not address you further and as previously stated, you're math skills in addition along with everything else are only surpassed by your ability to brownose libertaad and troll this thread. So scoot off back to his waiting arms and do as you're told and keep losing your money there and we will not not allow you to bet with us just as those other two casinos banned you we have also before we've even launched, not for having multiple accounts as you claim but most likely because you are a nuisance, and I look forward to Strike Sapphire's comments about you once he get's back to me I'm sure they will be entertaining to say the least about why you were really banned and he wouldn't call BS on your "girlfriend" if he didn't have good reason too and if your pictures anything to go by it's little wonder you don't.

You have lost multiple arguments from statistics and quality control to legal issues and you seem content to address certain things you know nothing about with the confidence of Mike Tyson in his prime and totally ignore others because you're butt-hurt your best mate's casino is on a timer waiting to explode with everything from breaching the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 or the sheer inept ability to maintain a website that looks like some mid 90s Geocities nightmare without someone such as yourself pointing out so many holes in it it's like a block of Swiss cheese.

When you've lost all your money and been banned from every other BTC casino except the one you've lost it to assuming it's still around by that stage, consider it your fault and I would rather look at pretty girls with legitimate live tables than your ugly mug shot any day of the week!

Good day!

SkullCard

Sorry I didn't address your question mate I've had a busy night and oversaw it.

We will be launching it soon and we were just advising people and asking what sort of payment system they would like to use to gamble with whether converted to USD upon depositing their crypto's and then getting the same amount in market rate after cashing out or instead a system like Bit777 that operates a specific number of chips based on their chosen crypto to gamble with since we will also be taking VISA and it's something we have to work into our systems prior to launching that nobody has yet addressed most likely due to dooglus' incessant trolling.

If we have no feedback on this issue which people prefer we will just go with what we think is best.

Thanks

I agree.  I was referring to this thing what you said:


talking about this image showing ten reds in a row:

https://i.imgur.com/gI7aaKy.jpg

Maybe it's the pairs of repeated numbers that you will outlaw at your casino.  You could have a list of forbidden combinations of spins maybe.  You know how some sequences would never appear in real life, like 1, 1, 21, 21, 9, 9.  That is a particularly low-probability combination, and should be banned from any respectable casino.

So will we or won't we ever see results such as that at your casino?

I guess I won't, since you've banned me already.  :)

If there's anything you think I've ignored, I'm happy to address it.  I don't respond to the straight out insults, and sometimes it's hard to find actual content in your posts because the signal to noise ratio is a little low.

See previous message dooglus!   ::)

We will not respond to you again... period!  :-X

However just this once yes the penny finally dropped but then you're not the brightest spark I've come across in my time and I suggest you don't gamble at all because discerning patterns and mathematics clearly aren't your strong points!    :-\


- SkullCard  ;)

So I get the last word?  ;)


Unfortunately, those are my strong points.  You should see how much I suck at the other stuff!

I'm pretty good at math.  You seem to be confusing the odds of 20 reds in a row (1 in 1813779) with the odds of losing 20 bets on red in a row (1 in 615124).  You don't need 20 reds in a row to lose 20 bets on black in a row, because you lose on zero too.  It's surprising that the zero makes such a difference, but it does:


You realise of course that the sequence 1, 1, 21, 21, 9, 9 is exactly as likely as every other sequence of 6 numbers, right?  And that I was being facetious?  Maybe not.  I wouldn't really suggest banning certainly 'bad patterns' from your casino.  That could be considered cheating, and people might make bad threads about you.

Good luck in your new venture.

Thank you very much it's nice to hear positive compliments and dooglus go and troll somewhere else you've been asked three times now here's your statistics and you are wrong as usual! http://www.roulettestar.com/probability.php


SkullCard

I've tried many times to help you see where you're wrong.

Your unique combination of rudeness, sloppiness, and lack of reading comprehension makes you one of the least qualified people to be doing PR for a new casino IMHO.

Good luck with it though.

dooglus it's fair to say and anyone here will agree that you are an extremely annoying individual and I am not doing "PR" for anything, we are not into being trolled and require no advice from you, unlike bitZino and people here can see you for what you are.

We are business people who will provide a pleasant, safe and most of all legal environment for people to play games using crypto currencies however on a personal level I don't tolerate trolls and dismiss them which it is clear that is what you are hence you will be ignored by us as of now just as you are by Bit777 and Strike Sapphire so good luck with your "provably fair" casino we have no more time for your continuous trolling we are busy.

You will be ignored from now on go and find something better to do with your time, perhaps gambling at bitZino might be something you could do instead of bother me for a change with useless "information" and criticism which is neither asked for nor welcome.

Thank you!

SkullCard

I wish you good fortune in your new venture! ;D

SkullCard... I'm going to offer you some friendly professional advice. Dooglus is one of the most well-respected community members here, especially when it comes to gambling.  He's been a tireless and extremely helpful contributor. You might want to be more humble, polite, and respectful to him.

Coming in here with big claims and grand plans may get you noticed by some noobs, but you won't make friends with the people who matter.


Actually, those are exactly his strong points.

This is a load of rubbish. As a winning player on Bitzino, I can verify that their provably system is completely flawless and transparent.

Your unfairly accusing them with no real evidence. This thread should be locked.

I have a feeling you have stepped into the Bitcoin community in the complete wrong manner. This won't get you anywhere other than pissing people off. No one around here likes a sook, especially a sook with no evidence.

I recommend starting off on a new note. Even if you have the greatest site technology and design wise, your going to get no where with that attitude.

Best of luck none the less.

You've had luck congratulations I suggest you quit while you're ahead however the transparency of their operation is clear for those to see and speaking like that you sound as though you're a shill for bitZino and furthermore nowhere is one word.

Thanks for the advice however we don't require any from yourself thanks all the same and remember Vegas wasn't built on winners and actually was founded by criminals much like bitZino.

Cheers but we have gotten plenty far without needing to suck up to anybody and we will operate VISA, Skrill, ClickPay, Neteller, MasterCard, Moneybooker, WebMoney and many others, BTC's will simply be another manner with which to fund your account and thus we won't be solely relying on the BTC community for our income and furthermore will be TST and eCOGRA accredited meaning our games are genuinely provably fair and overseen by a third party.

Your comment shows no comprehension for the insidious nature of web gambling and the industry as a whole and one only need look on casinomeister.com to understand their are far more rogues than there are honest practitioners in this business and many with sites far superior to bitZino so at the risk of repeating myself we don't need the BTC community we are providing it with a service it sorely needs and if you build it they will come so the saying goes and this thread has had much more positive people than one and now two negative individuals.

Good luck I would quit while you're ahead but if by luck you mean you've won a few BTC's I would not call that luck in the true sense of the word and they are well known among the gambling community that has used them to be rigged. If you have won several hundred BTC's or more then I would consider that good luck.

We will not be restricted to 25BTC Blacjack hands and 100BTC table limits though either on top of having the best tech and platforms in the business. We will be able to accommodate the highest of high rollers and furthermore will bring more light to Bitcoin with the mainstream gambling world and therefore increasing the value of BTC's all round that in my personal opinion are somewhat overpriced considering there's better, faster and more crypto's appearing everyday that the only thing giving Bitcoin it's current market value is it was first the first of it's kind to exist and are artificially kept high through their exclusivity of MTGOX.

As with all things to be first of their kind we expect there may come a time it is superseded by something else at which point we may or may not keep it as a viable payment option and will adapt our site's payment methods as necessary, because in much the same way that people are gambling on our site we too are taking the gamble that they won't be worth something one day and worth half or less the next as has been known to happen. Considering our patrons who are verified will have the option to cashout in USD, Pound Sterling, Euro's and many others we hope people appreciate this is why no other major sites such as 32RED or Bet365 have taken them on so we hope the BTC community appreciates the fact we are gambling somewhat here too since we don't have the option to convert back to fiat currency instantly the quantity of BTC's and LTC's we are required to keep on hand for immediate payouts and could potentially lose tens of millions if the market crashes.

Personally I wish I had chosen the self moderate option on this thread so I could clean it up myself but we appreciate the tersely spoken words of good faith however the sincerity behind them are a different matter altogether.

Cheers anyway - SkullCard

Do you even have any sort of provably fair system planned? I have a feeling your going to make all these accusations then simply expect people to go off your word that you're provably fair.

Your still missing the concept of this idea as well. It's impossible to manipulate without risking being caught. Bitzino wouldn't do that, and even if they did, they would have been caught by now. But nop, they haven't.

Your one of the most arrogant people I have ever come across in this forum. Your going to FAIL when it comes to business in this sector. You better hope your Mastercard/Visa/Other dirty fiat payment methods are successful.

I don't generally like to get in-between arguments. I haven't ever found myself in a position where I felt strongly enough to circle a specific person out on this forum, however you've crossed the line.

It's good that you have an ambitious project and are sharing it with us, however you have immediately lost my respect. Dooglus is one of if not THE most respected member of the gambling community on here and as Erik mentioned, anyone who matters will take offense to what you've said. Instead of working with the advice Dooglus provided, you instead chose to rudely and unprofessionally argue against it. You don't have the proper attitude to run a successful casino in my opinion. I suggest you return with a more open mind, I wish you good luck with your endeavor assuming you do so.

I'm not even going to respond to your attempt to intercede however thank you for the kind words and as for the issue of proof of fairness I suggest you Google eCOGRA and TST certification and what it takes to get them.

Our business will speak for itself and you're welcome to not sign up that's fine, but if you want superior service and quality then by all means do.

If you take a business in violation of the law's word of fairness then please continue to use them if you're happy, but there are many who are not and they will be our customers and we will keep them happy.

I will not be dragged into another debate one in this thread with is than enough and I tried to end that well before being goaded into an argument I never asked for but was forced into and attempted to end on the first page.

I don't need advice from someone who has admitted they no nothing about setting up or running a casino and another who's never heard of eCOGRA.


Cheers - SkullCard

While I don't know very much about the fairness stuff, I do know that the negative attitude expressed by CasinoSupportTeam toward another poster makes me not want to give the site my business. Seriously, you're trying to sell something, handle your critics with a little more class if you want to increase your customer base. Hint: Good support teams don't accuse critics of being butt-hurt.

What if I have a legitimate complaint? Will I be blown off and insulted, as well? Better I don't put my money on so I never have to find out.

Considering this is your first post it means little but you are welcome not to join that is your decision but as previously stated we are obligated under law and our systems are TST and eCOGRA certified.

Your questions or complaints will be handled by our support team should you need anything done with due diligence and efficiency and you will not be "blown off" as we will not be able to legally operate for long and be left open to losing our license and eCOGRA rating also.

There's a difference between my personally addressing an individual and our entire company and support staff.

I would like to re-iterate you will not be dealing with myself personally I just came on here to announce our imminent arrival and wanted to know an opinion on conversion methods for payment that people would prefer us to implement into our systems which nobody has given me an answer for yet and I am at the point of asking admin to close this thread.

I was dragged into a debate about numerous things I did not wish to continue discussing and was trolled and when you have had no sleep because of work related stress and other issues that will not be named here, the last thing you need is an uppity know it all trying to denigrate your claims after themselves being continually proven to be inaccurate and false and eventually my patience wears thin when someone is being incredibly irritating.

As I said, you have made one post, this one, I am tempted to dismiss it as another attempt at trolling us but for now I will reply that I have said all that needs to be said and furthermore "butt-hurt" is a figure of speech that clearly you understood what was meant by it and contained no profanity so myself I see no problem with it's use in common vernacular.

Thanks!

SkullCard

Okay, first of all referring to some people as n00bs and others as "people who matter" is a form of elitism I don't even wish to partake in as a persons length of time here does not matter one way or another to myself except if they're a shill account. Anyone's welcome at our casino provided they're non-US customers because we don't want to break US Federal law unlike the casino he has debated me about and furthermore I am at the point of not giving two hoots what someone who thinks they know what they are talking about tries to give advice on things of which they have admitted to having no idea about since we will have tried and tested everything and will not require someone such as dooglus who admits to losing there frequently to point the shortcommings of our platform out for all to see.

2nd, those are NOT his strong points as one need only to see by his factually inaccurate statements.

I appreciate you may feel this way but I personally don't care what he has contributed as you claim because he hasn't contributed anything to myself but a headache.

Cheers for the friendly advice though and the cordial manner of your tone though.

Regards - SkullCard

Number of posts matter:


but...




All are welcome:


except wait:





Lies.  I don't lose there.  Never said I do.




I doubt you have a 'platform'.  How can I point out 'shortcommings' (you correct Zaih's one typo when your posts are almost illegible?) in something I've no knowledge of?




Name ONE!




Open your eyes.  I'm trying to help you.

It may be my first post, but I guarantee you my money spends just as well as someone with 1000.


I know exactly what it means, and it's not overly offensive, I'll give you that. You could have said way worse. That being said, I might call my friends butt-hurt from time to time to mess with them, but I will never use that term with a client. It's unprofessional and a bit childish, hence I only reserve the term for friends and other extremely casual conversations.

Perhaps you are just the owners buddy trying to drum up some business, perhaps you are an affiliate, perhaps you are employed by them. I don't know, but in none of those circumstances will being unprofessional help you achieve your goals to any great degree.

By the way, I am not trolling, I am just giving you some objective feedback. I'm not mad, or butt-hurt, whatever, nothing like that. I just think that as someone who is essentially asking people to pay money (casino gambling is always -EV assuming the casino doesn't hate money) to play with them, you could approach criticism and feedback with a little more grace.

Sounds great - I will be use it 8)

dooglus was never a client, he's a troll and still trying to troll as you can see.

I am part owner, I never said you were butt-hurt but you should be able to see clearly, he is.

I don't have a problem with constructive criticism at all, we are open to feedback and if you read what I had said we wanted feedback on a specific issue to which nobody has responded.

I dislike trolls as you can see he has been told to take a hike and continues with his endeavor and nothing he says or does is constructive with regards to our business as we are not some amateurish company in need of continual correction on the issues to do with our site but we are open to suggestions such as the previous comment regarding SportsBet.

There's a difference between my own personal opinion and should not be taken out of context as the rest of our company doesn't know dooglus exists I just find him, again this is my personal opinion, to be a grovelling little weasel that continues to annoy me as best he can but is since being ignored as previously stated numerous messages ago.

You are welcome to sign up and we will have a free play feature that applies to all our games except for live tables for the obvious reasons to allow you to get acquired with our site and games so you can know them well before you ever play them for real monies.

Any other questions you have please feel free to address me regarding them and I will do my best to answer them but I would like to stress I am neither our customer support despite the account name it will be used by our team when we are fully operational and any views I express are solely my own and furthermore I am not our tech team either so anything regarding that beyond my ability to answer will be forwarded to them and they can come on here and address them for you when they get time.

Every VIP will have their own personal gaming manager and you will be attended to well you can be assured of that with free gifts and special prizes for people who qualify for this category after depositing $4,000 with us you are a VIP for life whether you win or lose.

As previously expressed I am not trying to drum up business I don't care if you join up or not that will have to be a decision made by yourself we will not pressure you or sell you false dreams just facts.

Thanks for your feedback - SkullCard

dooglus: "I doubt you have a 'platform'. (*ed: again not knowing there's such companies as Microgaming or Playtech to name two and these are what's meant by a casino's platform) "How can I point out 'shortcommings' (you correct Zaih's one typo when your posts are almost illegible?) in something I've no knowledge of?" (*ed: just because a word wasn't spaced doesn't mean it wasn't meant to be pressed... wow you are a bizarre little troll of a man)


The word you're looking for is unintelligible, either way you were annoying a while ago now you're beginning to look disturbed... begone!

I will not ask you again you are on block now dooglus just as you are from Strike Sapphire and Bit777 and just like your BS Strike called you out on about your alleged GF, you must have annoyed him significantly as well for him to dislike you as he's a good guy that you have also attempted to besmirch who follows the law unlike your pal Larry Taad and is an active casinomeister.com contributor.


Beat it buddy!


- SkullCard

 

No, I wasn't looking for a word.  I meant illegible, as in not legible (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legible) (capable of being discovered or understood).


I'm banned from bit777 now?  Is that true or are you making things up again?


As long as you continue to spread misinformation and false accusations I'll be here to point out your errors.  It's not fair to allow your lies to stand uncontested.  If you can find anything I've said that isn't true please clearly point it out so I can correct it.  Perhaps use the 'quote' mechanism provided by the forum to make it clear what you're referring to.

I understand you wish now that you had set the thread to self-moderate so you could delete any viewpoints which oppose your own.  I guess that's your only recourse when you're unable to put up valid arguments to back up your statements.

Oh man. I have to say that I enjoyed reading this entire thread way too much. I rate it a 4/5.

If CasinoSupportTeam actually believes the stuff he is posting, which I think is probably less likely than him being an alt account and doing a damn fine trolling job (can you run the odds on this dooglus?), then this thread is a solid 5. I so want this guy to be real.

CasinoSupportTeam, if I may make a suggestion; In the interest of all your soon to be new loyal customers, I think it would be valuable for you to personally break down the reasons why "provably fair" systems using hashed information are in fact, not provably fair (we need to know!). Then, I think that revelation would be the perfect backdrop for you to educate us on how 3rd party certification and compliance with government regulation do in fact garuantee a fair gambling environment.

I think once we surpass this small hurdle, the floodgates will have essentially been opened to what will assuredly be the biggest and best online casino experience. I know you have the answers to these questions that are on everyone's mind, because you speak on the topic with such conviction. You can dismiss the naysayer's and their "facts" simply because you know the truth, but please don't forget that we, your flock, we don't know. We need you to lead us, to teach us to have the faith that you have, so we can all enjoy the casino together, and the knowing that a more fair casino somewhere else is not possible, thus anyone claiming to be one is false.

I'm pretty sure he believes what he says.  He seems to be one of those rare folk who are both utterly convinced that they're right, unwilling to listen to any dissenting opinion, and utterly wrong.  That's an interesting idea though, that he's just trolling us all.  The first I heard from him was a private message in my inbox on here telling me to stop sucking up to the evil bitZino.  I found this thread by examining his post history, which I think consisted of a single post at the time.


This doesn't concern his future loyal customers, because his casino won't be provably fair.  Hash tags are no better than receipts after all.  What more proof do you need?  He said it 3 times already isn't that enough?

Moderator edit :
Let's just link to the original source: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Regards,
-psy

What a well written, well reasoned post!  It's almost as if you're a different person than the one who wrote your previous posts.

Or did you just copy and paste someone else's work (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/)?

You forgot to include attribution, and also forgot to include Larry's rebuttals, which you can find in the same thread:


As for this:


I'm not a shill.  I just don't want to let your inaccurate statements stand unchallenged.  I don't care whether you read my corrections or respond to them.  They're not for your benefit; you seem incapable of understanding.  They're for the benefit of others who might otherwise swallow your bullshit.

Which of the alt-currencies do you plan on supporting, if any?

Who do you think "TrevorXavier" works for... clown, or should I say sock puppet? As for shill nobody accused you of being such but you have proven this by your blatant trolling and self admitted shill posting... you're a poor excuse for a human being allowing others to be robbed by these people. Larry's rebuttal is the same as he has on every post made about his bunk casino and it's as if he, and you, wake up daily typing in the search term "bitZino scam" or some such thing scouring the internet searching for other people's posts that tell the world the truth in order to troll them and make them believe your lies. Seriously dooglus go away or you will be reported to the mods for harassment since I have asked you repeatedly to stay out of my thread and using profanity just further exposes you for the type of person you are. I will not allow lies to be included in this thread lest people believe his ability to baffle them with technical jargon. A request was made and an answer given... nuff said!

As for your question by coinontran we will be supporting Litecoin and Bitcoin at this stage. Thank you for your inquiry!

- SkullCard

I've no idea who he is.  Are you implying he works for you?


Really?  Do you have short-term memory issues.  It was earlier today:


You also said you can't see my posts, then replied to my post.  Is anything you say based in reality?


No, I just subscribe to /r/bitcoin and a few bitcointalk threads.  I found the post you quoted (without attriibution) linked from the bitZino thread, here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87656.msg2388442#msg2388442

No scouring required.


I'm not harrassing you.  I didn't even think you were reading my posts any more.  I am providing a service by offering a counterpoint to your accusations of cheating, which you throw around without evidence to back them up.  I called you on your bullshit.  If that word damages your fragile sensibilities then I apologise.  What would you call it?


If you can point to any lies I've posted, please do so and I'll retract them.  I've asked you this multiple times, but you fail every time to respond.  The only lies I see are from you.

Example: "dooglus who is a shill for bitZino" followed by "As for shill nobody accused you of being such".

I don't know why it took you off ignore but you're back on it. Get a life you troll, everything you say is to sell your friends bunk thieving business.

You have been reported for harassment and we are considering abandoning taking crypto's anyway and your incessant trolling has contributed to that along with the constant market swings that can't ensure our stability, so well done.

You are a shill for bitZino and a troll with as Strike said no girlfriend or probably any friends at all IRL that explains why Strike banned you for using multiple accounts that you said were your friends but were just multiple personalities in your mind and why you have nothing better to do than involve yourself in other peoples business and cause annoyance, get a life!

- SkullCard

When are you guys expecting to launch?