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I've seen a lot of people get negative trusts for buying an account, I do not think this is a crime, but people getting caught buying accounts get negative trust, can you give a reason why purchased accounts earn negative trust?

Note: I just wanted to ask, and I never bought an account ;)

What reason would you have to buy an account apart from buying reputation (essentially this is what you are doing), joining signature campaigns on multiple accounts - usually ends up with both posting bullshit, or scamming?

Account dealing on bitcointalk promotes scamming, because you can buy an account with green trust and the victim would have no idea that the current owner of the account wasn't the one who earned the trust.

Account sales also encourage spam, because  knuckleheads who can't write English buy accounts to get into sig campaigns. 

And so on.  So there are a number of us who feel strongly that it's untrustworthy behavior and leave feedback accordingly.

It's self explanatory on the rating:

There is practically nothing good that can come out of this behavior as we've seen with scammers such as Quickseller. The forum policy is flawed for whatever reason.

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Those doubting the validity of the assertion should look into bounty campaign abusers (most often sold/bought accounts that were farmed). ::)

Although your points are correct in relation to a lot of bought accounts on this forum, they don't relate to every bought account. Some have great English skills and provide a good service. I think that we can all agree a newbie account with 1 post wouldn't be getting hired over a legendary member. Also, many people don't have the time to build up an account.

To add, the buying and selling of accounts is allowed on this forum. Even if it is looked down upon.

If you don't have time to invest in this community, then go somewhere else. Stop being self-entitled and spoiled brats. A simple rule change would solve most of this forum's problems, without killing its ad revenue.

Which is a fundamental flaw that is pushing genuine members away.

Thanks for all of your answers, I have understood them well.
Do not get me wrong, I've said I never bought an account, I asked with the desire to add experience in this forum

Nothing is ever 100%. Sure, there could be some outstanding posters who bought accounts, but I don't know who they are.  That's rare. Most common is the use of a bought account by some lazy third world scunt who only wants to shitpost or scam. Can't tell who's who ahead of time, so I neg 'em all.  I have removed negs in the past when someone turned out to be OK--my ratings don't mean much anyway as I'm not on DT.

Tl;dr: If you're honest, there is absolutely no reason to buy a second account, let alone more.

The amount of outstanding posters that are actually bought accounts is so low that it shouldn't even be considered if a rule change (which is badly needed) regarding account sales were to be considered.

Negative trust isn't the be all end all. It just means that a certain user doesn't trust you. I don't know why people are using trust as a basis as reputation. They are totally different things and can be abused all the same.

Buying accounts isn't against the rules, but some people believe that it's morally wrong and it leads to scamming. Therefore they can do whatever they want to say that they don't trust bought accounts. I think we can all agree that if your account is bought and you start using your rank or reputation as leverage, these things aren't representative of your real experience with bitcoin and the bitcointalk community.

I mark them when found but since buying/selling of accounts is allowed, I give a Neutral. Others give what they feel is appropriate. 

Thank you for your answers and suggestions

i like youre mind  neutral are ok but not negative like lauda give me
i hope him understand me not scammers and removed to neutral

You are in no position to determine what is *ok* and what is not.

Ditch the account, register a new one and start building it from scratch. That's the only honest way of moving forward. Your rating will likely never be voided, as I've seen with a recent case where I had previously changed it to neutral only for the situation to end up with an attempted bribe and harassment from said user. Moving forth, I'm taking an even stricter stance on all of this and anyone who supports it.¹

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[1] - I'm expectancy of high retaliation from Quickseller's shills & co, as this hurts their scams et. al. the most.

Bought accounts are a precursor for scams. It's as simple as that. There is always a motive for and behind buying an account. You don't simply buy an account to admire it's user name or for your "account collection". There is no collector item here.

The accounts are either used to scam and steal coins or to defraud signature campaigns. Scammers know the value of a well-aged and post-rich account. It misleads the slow-thinking and naive ones into feeling an artificial sense of trust and to conclude trades in favor of the scammer.

It is unquestionably correct to award negative trust to these bought accounts. Negative or red trust has a deterrent effect since it renders the purchased account useless and kills the very motive behind purchasing it.

DTs should please continue this practice of red-branding these shady accounts.

I was in favor to put negative trust on all accounts that are caught and proven bought because there are hidden agendas behind it on why they are buying those accounts. Mostly they will use it to scam or to cheat someone specially the newbies. This should be stop in fairness of those righteous members in this forum.

Because it can lead to scams. This might not be the reason for every person that wants to buy an account, but whatever the reason, it is also not fair to those members who have actually contributed for years to earn their ranking.

I am still new to Bitcointalk (joined less than a month ago), and I was not familiar with how rank was achieved. I thought that being a "full member" with no negative trust gave someone credibility, and because of my lack of research I was scammed. I wouldn't call myself slow-thinking, but naive ... yes.

So I agree that it is correct to give negative trust to bought accounts, and I also think people should take the time to file scam reports and give negative trust if an issue occurs. Yes, this might not deter others from doing transactions with that member, but, the warning was there.

I do not condone anybody buying or selling accounts, but can understand some people would like a better place in signature campaigns. However, far too many scammers have taken advantage of bought accounts and disappeared with vast amounts of money so it is viewed as very untrustworthy here. "Crimes" are defined by laws, bitcointalk does not define laws - they just set rules that you must abide by to use this service and you are free to go elsewhere if you do not agree with them.

Biggest drawback for allowing buying/selling account is it encourage other people to farm accounts in order to earn decent btc amount. When we're saying farming , it's already equal to spamming since they handle a lot of accounts and they tend to post low quality contents just to gain activity points. Thanks to few DT's that managed to put red tags on account farmers, they have at least helped the forum from avoiding total spam chaos.

I would put scamming as a second reason (why buying/selling can't be supported) considering it can be avoided if you just roam/transact on the forum intelligently.

True.However,I feel it's also upto the campaign managers to an certain extent to accept only great quality posters so those farmed accounts wouldn't stand a chance to get accepted in any campaigns.Once they realised bought accounts have no chance,the account sell business will reduce drastically.

Yes account sellers often sell accounts to negative trusted members.

A nice example of that is Quickseller selling a DT2 account to a known scammer a few months ago. >:(

Dont worry, Lauda will be arrested soon by the police

Lauda i hope you will get a cancer, you deserve it fucking granny bitch

You are old and very ugl
Your Man dont fuck you enough, right ? .... No...  nobody want a granny bitch for wife

https://pics.me.me/how-about-no-14234605.png

Well, if you were smart enough to properly fight for a removal of your negative rating you might have gotten somewhere. However, considering that you're apparently an immature adult or a kid going full ragemode (which is obviously *very smart*) you will not be getting any sympathy from other members. Considering your recent statements, I'd be surprised if more people don't neg. you.

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My private life, is *just fine* to say the least, thanks for your curiosity. :-*

All bought and hacked  accounts are used only for scamming and spamming on bitcointalk and your account, together with your schizophrenic statements is  the clear example of that !

buying = making deals based of a trust rating not earned by you

just my opinion

It doesn't take much time to build an account and you also don't need to stay 24 hours a day in the forum. This lack of time is bullshit. Trust can't be bought, it is and will always be conquered.

While not sounding a moralist here (Although it shouldn't be a bad idea), I believe this issue of buying an account is being treated with kids gloves. Its sole purpose is deceit either for the aim of getting into Sig campaigns or earning trust. Noobs seem to believe that comments from high ranking members are informed contributions. I believed that as a noob. And this is also why campaigns pay different rates for ranks as comment values differ. Now, just imagine a noob buying a Legendary account. This deceit should be weeded out at once.

I agree with everything here.  It boggles my mind that account sales aren't banned here.
I've heard the argument that 'they would just be sold elsewhere' and I don't really buy that. That's
a cop out in my opinion.  I can't read Theymos's mind, so I just have to assume the lack of a ban
has to do with not wanting to stifle traffic or something like that, which is kind of sad.

I think a big part of the problem bitcointalk has with spam is that these account farmers see the
profit to be made, both in account sales and participating in sig campaigns.  That draws poor, 3rd
world spammers out of the woodwork, because the pay isn't bad even if you live in a 1st world
country.  I get that part, but I don't think this forum should be in the business of facilitating
any sort of scammy behavior, and that's precisely what account sales do.

They say that most of those bought accounts was hacked then it will sell it to the newbie so that they could apply for ICO in instant. I think this is not fair specially for those members who worked hard here so that they will rank up someday so therefore equality and honesty should be observed all the times because we dont know if those purchased account will be use in scamming or fraud.

Since they are not hard earned by the ones who bought it. Considering the fact that their post was not made by them which is why they became that rank also. It is like these, for example, your playing a League of Legend accounts and you buy one of the higher ranks account in which if you play in that tier of account and get to play with the pros but you are not really a pro but a provisionary then you might cause break down to the team causing the fall down of your team. Same logic as buying an account in Bitcoin maybe that's what they're getting on.

Yes, I right said. Basically, people sell the hacked account and which account do a lot of spam. And some people buy those account for spamming and scamming. That's why purchased accounts getting negative trust. I support this action against spamming and scamming.

I think they trying to scam someone. Dont sell yours account.People will find you after being scammed