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Title: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Roccker on September 15, 2017, 03:42:46 PM
From 3000 to 3600 btc/usd

Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?







Bulltrap:
China closes exchanges and price rises?!

Bull run restored:
Bounced on weekly MA20


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: richardsNY on September 15, 2017, 04:35:13 PM
Impossible to say. I personally find it a bad initial sign to see the $3000 level get broken, even when it is just a brief moment. On the other hand, we've seen the market decrease significantly already -- a decrease of $2000 because of China is pretty insane if you ask me. I simply can't justify seeing the market fall back that much because of this, and for that reason believe it's a partial trap. Imagine how people must feel having sold around $3000, or slightly below that level, while a few hours later the market shot up to +$3700 -- classic whale play if you ask me. Let's give it some time to find out.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: vit05 on September 15, 2017, 04:45:38 PM
I know that will go down because I have bought some. :)


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: socks435 on September 15, 2017, 04:48:40 PM
Ouch i just sold my few bitcoin because i thought that the price will going back to $2,500 i just sold my bitcoin i think around $3200..
What the hell looks like there are other investors that can manipulate the price remember china has a largest bitcoin farm that i think they can sell their holding anytime and let other people in china to buy a cheap price of bitcoin..
And i think this will the sign of burst increasing soon ..


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Jamitadson on September 15, 2017, 05:10:43 PM
Ouch i just sold my few bitcoin because i thought that the price will going back to $2,500 i just sold my bitcoin i think around $3200..
What the hell looks like there are other investors that can manipulate the price remember china has a largest bitcoin farm that i think they can sell their holding anytime and let other people in china to buy a cheap price of bitcoin..
And i think this will the sign of burst increasing soon ..

I think it is better to hold now. After the Chinese exchanges are closed, they cannot manipulate the market any more. So the price will rise again.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: vit05 on September 15, 2017, 05:23:11 PM
Ouch i just sold my few bitcoin because i thought that the price will going back to $2,500 i just sold my bitcoin i think around $3200..
What the hell looks like there are other investors that can manipulate the price remember china has a largest bitcoin farm that i think they can sell their holding anytime and let other people in china to buy a cheap price of bitcoin..
And i think this will the sign of burst increasing soon ..

I think it is better to hold now. After the Chinese exchanges are closed, they cannot manipulate the market any more. So the price will rise again.

Why do you think they are manipulating the prices to go down? They need to sell so if they manipulated would be to go up fo now


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: illyiller on September 15, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
From 3000 to 3600 btc/usd

Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?

Looks like a V-bottom to me. Beautiful test of the $3,000 previous top and the 20-week moving average. This daily candle should print a nice reversal doji. Some retrace from here should provide a nice, lower risk/lower volatility entry for those who weren't knife catching last night.

Still waiting on official word of closure from Huobi and Okcoin, but that seems unlikely to rock the markets at this point. Capitulation already happened on huge volume, so the bottom should be in for a while.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: DaMut on September 15, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
Bull trap or bull run it does not matter,
The only thing that you need to know is,no matter what will happen to the price and others,Bitcoin price will always recovering back from the bottom.
It has not implemented yet,why would it crash this soon right ? Just keep holding it and you will get profit in the future.
It's very risky for you to do a pingpong in here,because the markets is unpredictable,and the weak hands already triggered by them.so it would be best for us to keep holding it and wait our profit come to us.

It is bull trap ? No,it's a sign for another bull run.
But we will see another leg down(probably)


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: JimboToronto on September 15, 2017, 05:38:39 PM
It looks more like the beartrap is closing.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: warr1979 on September 15, 2017, 05:42:24 PM
Ouch i just sold my few bitcoin because i thought that the price will going back to $2,500 i just sold my bitcoin i think around $3200..
What the hell looks like there are other investors that can manipulate the price remember china has a largest bitcoin farm that i think they can sell their holding anytime and let other people in china to buy a cheap price of bitcoin..
And i think this will the sign of burst increasing soon ..

I think it is better to hold now. After the Chinese exchanges are closed, they cannot manipulate the market any more. So the price will rise again.

Why do you think they are manipulating the prices to go down? They need to sell so if they manipulated would be to go up fo now
If they did not sell a huge amount of Bitcoin first, how to make the price of Bitcoin drop much like now?
You have to know whales are people create trend on the market, if they do not create that trend, we could not earn profit from this field.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Oceat on September 15, 2017, 06:11:06 PM
I know that will go down because I have bought some. :)
Don't worry mate it will back in the track, just trust your investments HODL as they say because this is the only way to get your profit back. Less hassle if you know how to handle it without of having such emotional panic because you've seen the price is getting drag down. It's such a quick dip if you watch it from far away.  :D


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: socks435 on September 15, 2017, 06:52:33 PM
Ouch i just sold my few bitcoin because i thought that the price will going back to $2,500 i just sold my bitcoin i think around $3200..
What the hell looks like there are other investors that can manipulate the price remember china has a largest bitcoin farm that i think they can sell their holding anytime and let other people in china to buy a cheap price of bitcoin..
And i think this will the sign of burst increasing soon ..

I think it is better to hold now. After the Chinese exchanges are closed, they cannot manipulate the market any more. So the price will rise again.
Honestly already been sold my bitcoin but looks like the price will continue to increase back again and again.. taht is why there is are chinese said in the past few days that just hold bitcoin tightly because bitcoin will be back soon.. but people are just panic selling because they are seeing the price is continues increased but anyway i saw a good news here.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2179492.new#new

I know that will go down because I have bought some. :)
Don't worry mate it will back in the track, just trust your investments HODL as they say because this is the only way to get your profit back. Less hassle if you know how to handle it without of having such emotional panic because you've seen the price is getting drag down. It's such a quick dip if you watch it from far away.  :D
I didn't hold bitcoin tightly and i'm one of the weakest holder that is why i sold mine in the past few hours and now as i can seen the price are keep increase and i saw a good news in bitcoin discusion it means that we are just heard a fake news because the good news that they are just changing the regulation and sooner or later exchanges in china will be alive again with licensed.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Kemarit on September 15, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
From 3000 to 3600 btc/usd

Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?

Looks like a V-bottom to me. Beautiful test of the $3,000 previous top and the 20-week moving average. This daily candle should print a nice reversal doji. Some retrace from here should provide a nice, lower risk/lower volatility entry for those who weren't knife catching last night.

Still waiting on official word of closure from Huobi and Okcoin, but that seems unlikely to rock the markets at this point. Capitulation already happened on huge volume, so the bottom should be in for a while.

I'm actually waiting from Huobi and Okcoin official announcement, being the top 2 trading exchanges in China, closure means that the massive nose dive will continue and I'm speculating that it can go as low as $2000. However, we see a dramatic rise today. I'm still trying to understand what brought this price to go to very quickly. I don't know if this is a trap or dead cat bounce. However we can all sleep and relax again after a weeks carnage. I haven't sold and bought bitcoins though, was out of funds but can bought it about few days. But the buying point is no longer there. But at least really nice to see bitcoin rebound once again.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: snowdropfore on September 15, 2017, 10:44:24 PM
i think  Bull run restored ,on one can stop bitcoin train ,even china .ok and huobi is done now ,the worse news is over ,that is good news ,so the price will be recover soon.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: BitMaxz on September 15, 2017, 11:27:55 PM
Looks like not a bull run restored the price was decrease again slowly and i think there are just someone are investing in bitcoin because bitcoin right now is really cheap.. Or we are seeing price drop because there are traders are bought bitcoin when the price of bitcoin is around below $3k and selling right now when the price was it $3700 well i think its normal but hoping that those who bought bitcoin in cheap price will holding it tightly because sooner will boost increase the price of bitcoin or people will regret once the price hit 4k value back soon..


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: CyberKuro on September 15, 2017, 11:56:08 PM
Too early to say bull run or bull trap since people always looking for profits by sell at higher peak and buy back at the dips.
$3600 isn't a bad price and it seems as median price, a sign of recover to $4000.
It's sad to see many people involved in massive sell off only because China government push exchanges to close their operations, it's has been done before in the early of this year, but maybe they will ban bitcoin this time indirectly by shut down exchanges.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: hello_good_sir on September 16, 2017, 01:41:06 AM
From 3000 to 3600 btc/usd

Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?







Bulltrap:
China closes exchanges and price rises?!

Bull run restored:
Bounced on weekly MA20

I'm not sure. Could really be either option but i'm leaning towards bull trap here. It may be just a short term upward adjustment in price before further corrections come into effect and potentially push bitcoin down under $3000 for a long time.

Anyways, there seems to be a lot of sideways movement in price right now.

If it were a start of antoher bull run then it should be breaking $4k by now, that's my logic behind thinking that it's a bull trap.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: player514 on September 16, 2017, 02:09:19 AM
From 3000 to 3600 btc/usd

Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?







Bulltrap:
China closes exchanges and price rises?!

Bull run restored:
Bounced on weekly MA20

There definitely is a bit of a rebound going on right now. I think a lot of it is coming from the fact that China gave some exchanges another month to run. I'm not sure what that means in the long run, but perhaps China was trying to test their power in the BTC markets? It's absolutely possible that they just want to shut down certain exchanges for whatever reasons. Who knows, maybe they're trying to tax BTC. We'll have to really wait and see what goes on. For now, what we know is that BTC is rebounding.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: yrtrnc on September 16, 2017, 02:27:31 AM
If the Chinese decide to cash out we will see a new bottom imho


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: vit05 on September 16, 2017, 03:45:51 AM
If the Chinese decide to cash out we will see a new bottom imho

The thing is, can Chinese cash-out? Will exchanges have the CNY for all? I know if the opposite happens and people would decide cashed out fiat from the bank in just one month, the safes would end before everybody gets their money.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: talkbitcoin on September 16, 2017, 04:02:40 AM
If the Chinese decide to cash out we will see a new bottom imho

with Chinese exchanges closed they have no market to cash out and affect the price. all they can do is to sell off the market like selling on localbitcoins or some Chinese forum thing. and that has never affected the market price.

besides you seem to have forgotten that last time Chinese closed their exchanges for 3 months price went even higher! and the volume coming from China's localbitcoin was through the roof as they were buying more.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: btcney on September 16, 2017, 04:28:12 AM
Most likely a bull trap imo. Now that the news seems to be confirmed and all major Chinese exchanges are shutting down, the price seems to be responding somewhat too optimistically at this stage.

I'd expcet price to continue dropping after today.

Perhaps it'll break the $3000 barrier, i'm not sure. If it does then it could go back down to $2500 or less.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: fabiorem on September 16, 2017, 04:54:41 AM
Beartrap. It's now around $3700.

But there will be no bull run.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Rahar02 on September 16, 2017, 04:55:23 AM
So far it's a bull restore after significant decline, but who knows what will happen tomorrow.
Most Chinese exchanges halt their services, and will be official in the end of this month.
Bitcoiners in China have dragged people to follow them to sell off, weak hands already panic sell and may regret their decision due to the whales and traders buy back more cheaper coins. We don't know for sure, whether there will be next wave of massive sell off or it's already over, back to normal trading day.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: jubalix on September 16, 2017, 08:52:04 AM
I have to say this is a ridiculous dead cat bounce.

the dump  feels more like a slow flash crash more than a trend.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Searing on September 16, 2017, 08:53:44 AM

I've no idea. Right now I'm completely befuddled. Bitcoin will likely do one of ony 2 things imho.

1) go back to 5k FAST.

2) go back to 2.5k FASTER.

The 'ways' of bitcoin are mysterious to me. :(



Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Kyraishi on September 16, 2017, 09:53:27 AM
From 3000 to 3600 btc/usd

Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?







Bulltrap:
China closes exchanges and price rises?!

Bull run restored:
Bounced on weekly MA20

It doesn't really make sense to me why the markets are responding positively to confirmations that Chinese exchanges are going to be closed down. I mean the price actually rose after the news came out, or maybe i got that part wrong? I don't know, i definitely could be wrong and the news came out before the dump but all the news articles came only like 15 hours ago.

So it's really quite a positive response, and i don't think it's justified.

Could well be a bull trap.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: thecodebear on September 16, 2017, 10:15:52 AM
Well it has already recovered $1000 in a day from $3k to $4k a few minutes ago, now a bit lower back in the $3800s. I'm thinking, and hoping, that its a bit of a trap and it at least heads back down under $3500 (because I just got a paycheck and want to buy more under $3500 haha!).

$3000 was the peak of the springtime bull run and so the base of the summer bull run. So it is no surprise that when it got down to just under $3000 the buyers destroyed the sellers and the price shot way back up. I think we'll probably hang in the 3000s for most of the rest of the month though. Not sure if it'll take another shot at <$3000 again, the big crushing news has been received and processed now, there's not gonna be any worse news than China shutting down all exchanges.

So a little bit of a bulltrap I'd say, with prices sinking back to mid-3000s next week. Then october 4000s again, probably november another crash leading to 2x hard fork, december bull run initiates once fork is passed and we go to $6000 or higher by end of year.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: alyssa85 on September 16, 2017, 10:17:21 AM


I'm actually waiting from Huobi and Okcoin official announcement, being the top 2 trading exchanges in China, closure means that the massive nose dive will continue and I'm speculating that it can go as low as $2000. However, we see a dramatic rise today. I'm still trying to understand what brought this price to go to very quickly. I don't know if this is a trap or dead cat bounce. However we can all sleep and relax again after a weeks carnage. I haven't sold and bought bitcoins though, was out of funds but can bought it about few days. But the buying point is no longer there. But at least really nice to see bitcoin rebound once again.

The thing is, those two exchanges never traded any ICOs, unlike BTCC and the others. So I wonder if they'll be treated differently? If it looks like they are staying open, then there will be a relief surge up.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: el kaka22 on September 16, 2017, 10:47:01 AM

I've no idea. Right now I'm completely befuddled. Bitcoin will likely do one of ony 2 things imho.

1) go back to 5k FAST.

2) go back to 2.5k FASTER.

The 'ways' of bitcoin are mysterious to me. :(
Yes many times did notice always downfall do happen quicker than upward surging. But I am not finding any possibilities for the prices to go below $3000 levels as restoration of bull run has already initiated and we may see $6000 levels in this rally so $5000 levels may happen within next week and by end of this month we may see prices nearing $6000 levels.

As long prices are not breaking $2800 we never need to worry about drastic downfall and I am sure that breaking the big physiological resistance $3000 also will not be possible with current trends after China's regulations on various crypto initiatives.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: MFahad on September 16, 2017, 11:21:50 AM
I've been holding since 2013. I don't why people disheart when the price goes down.They should hold. China just did a awful job with us by banned bitcoin which decrease the bitcoin value and we can buy more bitcoin. Whatever might be the trend Bull or bull-traped, now we have to Hold it more till the end of the 2017.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Carlsen on September 16, 2017, 02:44:35 PM
I do not think it is a bulltrap because everything is depending on the outcome of the chinese regulation attempts.
If everything goes the way it looks like at the moment we are back on track.
Should the government in China change there point of view and push through harder regulations, we will see a reaction on the market accordingly.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: virasog on October 28, 2017, 04:10:04 AM
Did you actually look at the history of the price before you ask this question? You have to look at the long-term before making statements like this you're asking questions like this. The fact is that there have been price drops before and this is just a minor little bump in the road and is already practically recovered from it. You have to look at the long-term and stop looking at these little tiny isolated windows.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Ararbermas on October 28, 2017, 09:00:28 AM
I know that will go down because I have bought some. :)
we are not sure mate maybe it will continue surge And never fall i think justt hold it cause bitcoin now adays has a possibility to achieve our prediction. I suggest to buy more mate. 


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: cellard on October 29, 2017, 04:42:40 PM
From 3000 to 3600 btc/usd

Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?







Bulltrap:
China closes exchanges and price rises?!

Bull run restored:
Bounced on weekly MA20

I've been monitoring all day. My eyes are dry, red, and sore, but it was worth it. My prediction for the ascending triangle breakout came true, and we crossed $6000. The Bitcoin Gold nonsense is already over. Now we are going to try to break the last all time high, and we are going to do this before November 19th which is where the damn segwit2x nonsense will end into a hardfork, then is anywhere's guess what will follow.

A lot of people will lose their money, except the smart people that are holding their own coins and not doing anything stupid, like sending BTC into an B2X address. What I think it's clear is, long term, B2X is pretty dead, what's important is how the situation will unfold during Nov-Dec. By January 2018 we should have a clear winner which hopefully is BTC going into 5 figures with dead big blockers.


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: Krikke on October 29, 2017, 04:59:37 PM
From 3000 to 3600 btc/usd

Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?







Bulltrap:
China closes exchanges and price rises?!

Bull run restored:
Bounced on weekly MA20

I've been monitoring all day. My eyes are dry , red, and sore, but it was worth it. My prediction fo the ascending triangle breakout came true, and we crossed $6000. The Bitcoin Gold nonsense is already over. Now we are going to try to break the last all time high, and we are going to do this before November 19th which is where the damn segwit2x nonsense will end into a hardfork, then is anywhere's guess what will follow.

A lot of people will lose their money, except the smart people that are holding their own coins and not doing anything stupid, like sending BTC into an B2X address. What I think it's clear is, long term, B2X is pretty dead, what's important is how the situation will infold during Nov-Dec. By January 2018 we should have a clear winner which hopefully is BTC going into 5 figures with dead big blockers.

I agree, there will only be one Bitcoin and that is the original BTC! Some volatility and a pull-back might come by the end of the year, but for me BTC is on route to the moon - user adaption growth in 2018 will be the key and by 2019 the big boys will finally join in.

Hold on to your coin, just sell for your daily expenses or when you buy some online goods... don't forget to buy back the BTC which you use and make sure you know your private key!


Title: Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored?
Post by: pitham1 on October 29, 2017, 06:26:32 PM
I've been monitoring all day. My eyes are dry, red, and sore, but it was worth it. My prediction for the ascending triangle breakout came true, and we crossed $6000. The Bitcoin Gold nonsense is already over. Now we are going to try to break the last all time high, and we are going to do this before November 19th which is where the damn segwit2x nonsense will end into a hardfork, then is anywhere's guess what will follow.

A lot of people will lose their money, except the smart people that are holding their own coins and not doing anything stupid, like sending BTC into an B2X address. What I think it's clear is, long term, B2X is pretty dead, what's important is how the situation will unfold during Nov-Dec. By January 2018 we should have a clear winner which hopefully is BTC going into 5 figures with dead big blockers.

Nobody paid any importance to the BitGold nonsense. After Bitcoin Cash, this was a copy cat fork. The fear is you will have more and more forks, trying to cash in on the "Bitcoin" name. The Segwit2x is the important one and once that is out of the way, Bitcoin will definitely zoom ahead.