Bitcoin Forum

Who is or was the founder of Moneypot.com the bitcoin gambling wallet? I dont mean the moneypot.com game from espringe actually the today called bustabit game

this question might look simple but it is not! I would have bet that I know who it is but now I am confused and not sure anymore and therefore I did this Poll

this result will be very interesting but I still bet on what I know :)

please take this Poll serious because it could show who is the real founder and who is false claimer

good luck

I'm not sure why this is a poll, you could've PM'd and just asked. Anyway, the answer is it was me. I created the original version, and then ~6 (?) months later sold it to the current owners.

I really appreciate your posting and your confirmation. I would have won the bet that it was you

could you think of any reason why someone else would publish that he is the moneypot founder even it is very clear and obvious for people who know moneypot that you are the founder

thx

LOL what a posting is this? are you afraid of something coming up? did you say you are the Moenypot founder? is there a possibility that someone like you called yourself Moneypot founder? why would you do this? and unintentional? LOOL thx for the laugh

a buyer is an owner! easy as that

you are not only a bunch of clowns but also a bunch of cheaters and especially Blacksheep ( I love this nick)

I would cry with you if I would take you serious

everything connected to moneypot good or bad is to blame on you guys and especially on Blacksheep!

I never said that you called yourself the founder of MP! why are you saying this? to put all the blame of your faults on me?

why did you jump in this thread with a stupid posting? bad conscious?

I just asked a very easy question and all who are familiar with moneypot know the answer and Ryan Havar confirmed it

you guys bought moenypot and are the buyers and cant be the founders. can we agree on this?

no one will unintentional call himself the founder! can we agree on this?

I did not accuse you! can we agree on this?

what lies did I spread? no lies! facts which you dont like to hear.

I know exactly the risk of investing in Bank Rolls but I dont like to get cheated.

why did you offer compensation for the loss that your Investors had in the given time? did I complain before to give me back the 4 BTC?

you promised it to calm down the Investors and you need to full fill your promises. same with RBIES to buy back for 1000 satoshi for a lifetime

did I force you to do this promises? many were surprised that you gave promises like this!

I could go on and on! get real Dogedigital and pay your debts and not "SOON" as always. keep your word and start new with trust and respect

thx again for the laugh. why would you post here without any reason but only because maybe I have something to tell? just wait and see and then tell me it is a lie. easy as that

why dont you tell me which lies I have spread about Blacksheep? if there is one lie I will apologize. easy as that

I dont spread lies but you guys are doing this because you think you are smart and if you will discredit me it will help to hide your faults. WRONG! get real and the earlier the better. Investors and players like Transparency! just deliver it because it is easy if you dont want to cheat

why didnt you answer all my questions in my last posting?

why didnt you answer my questions in your ICO thread? I will repeat it here. is it a secret?

the Moneypot Team

am I right to assume that

Keeth Beharrell is Dogedigital aka Moneypot support?

Matthew Neumeier is Rango aka MattN aka Blacksheep aka AcoinL?

Bryan Burgett is Ranlo aka Laremar?

thx

Why Satoshi Nakamoto in the listing too? :)

hmm another extraordinary valuable posting from you :)

good that you posted here and gave me a chance to tell you that you should delete the last posting of you in ICO thread before I give my answer and you and MP will not like it but it will be again real truth. your posting was not helpful at all I would even say vice versa if someone knows Moneypot

lets see now if you are smart enough to accept a good advise

edit
LOL you are not fast enough and not smart at all. but maybe you understood that your posting was not of real value :)

edit 2
I hope you will be fast and delete the posting in ICO thread as I asked you to do it before I give my answer  there

Please in meantime mind removing your signature which you have placed just for fun.

useless post for a useless thread


i was testing to see how many screenshots you make per min.



you really have some sort of mental issues. i'm not saying this to put you down. i hope one day you will notice it and get some proper help.


stalker like too.

please explain

Your signature link takes me to a blank page :)

oh thx will have to change it tomorrow but in the meantime try this
https://jackpotracer.com/# (https://jackpotracer.com/#)

but please dont be disappointed

I won't open this link but anyways just wanted to make sure you know that the link is not working.

it looks you are an alt of Dogedigital

as I said before very interesting that you jumped in with your message. it is like a thief is caught and he tries to get out with all tricks

if it is written anywhere then it was unintentionally?
how can this be that 3 MP owners are all claiming to be the founder of MP? just a reminder you guys bought MP and you know best that you are not the founders!

you are saying that it is a known fact the RHavar is founder of this excellent business idea and same time you guys are unintentionally claiming that you are the founders! who are the Liars? I dont believe you that it was unintentionally and you know why because all 3 of you are claiming it and was it done by magic huh?

you should be ashamed but you will not. if I were you I would send a big apology in direction of RHavar the founder of this great business idea. I just hope that this business idea will not die and if you wouldnt be the owners we would add some new games we have and much more attractive than all games out there right now

get real and Transparent and stop lying

Why not? I voted for him.
Here is my theory:
Satoshi Nakamoto= Moneypot founder = RHavar.
Do you have proof he is not?  :P

What is the point of this topic anyway?

I have a weird feeling that this topic would be deleted real soon due to the purpose of the OP. Its like this is made only to have discussion with Dogedigital and argue about moneypot issues.

#Update regarding OP's reply below..
Okay then, good luck on this poll  ;)

I see you know who is the founder of Moneypot! very nice
would you claim that you are the founder of MP?


I dont need any discussions with Dogedigital or with you :)

but as you 2 and many more know that RHavar is the founder of Moneypot I was surprised and shocked that the Moneypot owners are claiming they are the founders!

why would one do this? would you claim that you are the founder of Moneypot? or Betking or McDonalds?  I am sure that not

Technically speaking you are right but then they own something and might be a slip of tongue that founder thing.

oh a slip of tounge or lets say an unintentionally slip of tongue LOL
and all 3 owners with same slip on tongue LOL

thx for the laugh CasioK
are you sure you are not an alt of Dogedigital?

Wait, isn't RHavar real founder? Is there any doubt? And as I know you were part of moneypot's project or something like this.
Really, why do you have that question? You say that you would have bet that you know real owner and now you are confused.. Why? Please give us some details P.S satoshi nakamato was waste of time in this poll, people will vote that for fun.
Also keep calm man, why are you so angry? (nothing personal).

what about espringe op?
I think he is moneypot's wallet founder..

don't see the purpose of this thread...
what are you trying to prove,mate? other than promoting your site,no offense
is there a personal grudge that I'm unfamiliar with?
Rhavar has replied that he was the original founder,if the said wallet changed hands,now
the owner is the one who owns the rights to it :) simple

hi

I dont think I was angry with you ever

yes I knew that RHavar is the founder. I was confused because I did not understand to see 3 new Moneypot owners claiming to be the founders.
lets say you buy Moneypot or any other business why would you post on the internet that you are the founder? to impress your girlfriend? or maybe to impress some business men? IMO you shouldnt do it and also for sure not those 3 Moneypot owners. why would you or someone or the MP owners take credit for others' achievements?
I hope we can agree on this

espringe invented bustabit game owned by RHavar right now one of the best games right now and already for a long time. good example is that RHavar never did take credit that he is founder and inventor of bustabit game.


please read above my answer to @shiel132

promoting my site? if you click on the sig you get to a blank page and will be asked for login details.
much better to show his own business sig then some other sig. you earned now with this posting you did a few satoshis :)
yes MP owners have a personal grudge with me :) thats their problem not mine because the difference is that I tell the truth and they attack me with lies.
yes RHavar chimed in and confirmed that he is the founder. he sold it to the new owners and now I am asking you who is the owner and who is the founder? everyone in the gambling scene here knows that RHavar is the MP founder. how do you explain that all 2 MP owners claiming to be the founder? can or should this happen? NO
as you are saying :) the owner is the one who owns the rights to it :) simple and I would add because he bought it.

RHavar was before he sold MP the owner and founder easy as that

to be frank when I found this out I wanted I thought I will publish it because MP owners should start to get real and transparent. anyway I am wondering they didnt chime in yet and tell me to stop the FUD and lies :)

have a nice day :)

Congratulations, it looks like you won the war with moneypot.

Assuming that their ICO fails, there is a good possibility that they will close leaving their investors with nothing. I'm not sure if its a good thing because now no-one will get paid. Everyone loses. Investors will lose investment, players will lose balance, and game operators will lose their time and future. At least they tried to make things right.

why didnt you post with your real nick. waste of time to do a new account :)

why should they close sorry I dont see any reason

Because your points show that they are insolvent and ICO failed so they will most likely close.

I would appreciate to talk to the real one and not to a shill. I have a good feeling who you are (trust me)

RHavar had the suspicion that they are insolvent because they didnt get BCC

Quote from: RHavar on September 10, 2017, 03:51:42 PM
Hm? I don't mean to sounds like an ass, but I don't understand this. Didn't you guys have like have 500+ bitcoin or something? At current prices that's like $300k USD worth of BCC.  I don't understand how you could possibly justify not collecting so much free money, especially when you're still holding all that unpaid debt to investors. I might be a bit off base here, but the only logical reason I can think of is that it might exacerbate solvency issues?

I was always a big fan of the Moneypot business idea. do you really think that RHavar or Dooglus would do such mistakes as MP owners did? Rhavar warned them many times and they didnt listen there is no better one who knows how to handle Moneypot than RHavar

do you know how many ICOs are failing? did you see the postings from 2 Investors?

they said much more than me and I am sure they need to get more than me. I was a small investor and didnt know about the ICO

if you didnt see the postings here are the postings

posting from @MartinL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737934.msg21737505#msg21737505
When you acquired MoneyPot nearly two years ago, investors were in profit. Now investors are at a loss while MoneyPot itself continues to profit at their expense. In no small part this is because at some point you decided to expose investors to a dangerous amount of risk despite being warned of the consequences multiple times. Understandably, there is some mistrust towards you.

Distributing the BCH that rightfully belongs to investors–you say as much yourself–would go a long way towards regaining some of the goodwill you've lost. Multi-currency support is already one of your main features and Bitcoin Cash's API is virtually identical to Bitcoin's, making it fairly trivial for you to make that money available.

So I don't understand why you would take this position and leave what is essentially free money for your investors on the table. The only rational explanation that comes to mind is that MoneyPot is insolvent and does not hold enough BTC and BCH to meet its liabilities towards investors.

As a former MoneyPot investor myself, I'd love for you to prove me wrong by demonstrating your solvency–like MoneyPot regularly used to before you stopped doing it.

At the very least you should publish a list of MoneyPot's addresses at the time of the fork so that we may verify that the majority of BCH has in fact not been claimed as you say. You would not need to provide your current addresses, so there should not be any serious privacy concerns, but providing this proof to a universally trusted third party like dooglus would also be acceptable.

but luckily @MartinL did not give up and came over to the Dogedigitals ICO announcement thread with the following posting
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2169606.msg21746786#msg21746786

Unfortunately the discussion moved away from the previous thread before you were able to reply to concerns regarding MoneyPot's solvency. I'll quote them here so you have a chance to respond:

Quote from: MartinL on September 11, 2017, 08:59:49 PM
When you acquired MoneyPot nearly two years ago, investors were in profit. Now investors are at a loss while MoneyPot itself continues to profit at their expense. In no small part this is because at some point you decided to expose investors to a dangerous amount of risk despite being warned of the consequences multiple times. Understandably, there is some mistrust towards you.

Distributing the BCH that rightfully belongs to investors–you say as much yourself–would go a long way towards regaining some of the goodwill you've lost. Multi-currency support is already one of your main features and Bitcoin Cash's API is virtually identical to Bitcoin's, making it fairly trivial for you to make that money available.

So I don't understand why you would take this position and leave what is essentially free money for your investors on the table. The only rational explanation that comes to mind is that MoneyPot is insolvent and does not hold enough BTC and BCH to meet its liabilities towards investors.

As a former MoneyPot investor myself, I'd love for you to prove me wrong by demonstrating your solvency–like MoneyPot regularly used to before you stopped doing it.

At the very least you should publish a list of MoneyPot's addresses at the time of the fork so that we may verify that the majority of BCH has in fact not been claimed as you say. You would not need to provide your current addresses, so there should not be any serious privacy concerns, but providing this proof to a universally trusted third party like dooglus would also be acceptable.


Also, could you please clarify how the advertised net profit of 500 BTC was determined? According to the information here, that must include the 449 BTC in commission that app owners have received. I assume app owners would continue to receive their commission in the future, so it's not really reasonable to consider that part of MoneyPot's profit. The actual net profit of MoneyPot and its investors that is relevant to ICO investors is a little under 70 BTC instead.

the next Investor @AwayThrow jumped in (his text is bold)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2169606.msg21757981#msg21757981


Keeth, your behavior here is disgusting and I believe a crime under Canadian security laws. I have made a formal complaint to the Ontario Security Commission.

I am one of your previous investors, and besides losing considerable money to what was either theft or at best criminal negligence. Furthermore last year you promised me compensation, a promise you have done absolutely nothing towards. Not a single satoshi. Raising money from new investors to pay back old ones is almost the definition of a ponzi.

Quote
Had the investors under the last setup performed above equity, it would be otherwise confusing to lead them to believe that they'd earn the same rate.  Likewise when it is under equity. 
If you lost money then your financial statements must reflect the fact. As you know, what you "should have" made is known as "expected value". What you actually made is known as revenue.

And revenue is very different from "net-profit". I would hope you already know what net-profit is, but let me help make sure we are on the same page: net-profit is how much money you've made after all expenses are consider.

I am sure you and your team have not been working the last 2 years for free with no expenses. So I'll ask you plainly, please answer: Over the last 2 years, what is Money Pot's actual net profit?

Quote from: Dogedigital on September 12, 2017, 07:52:41 AM
We had closed the thread to focus on this next phase, the ICO.  We made our policies and statements known, as we did here in all the information provided.
but as you did in well in your last post you avoided the central question about solvency. I will repeat MartinL's statement as it reflects my own position rather well:

As a former MoneyPot investor myself, I'd love for you to prove me wrong by demonstrating your solvency–like MoneyPot regularly used to before you stopped doing it.

I am well aware of all the drama that has surrounded them for the past two years. You do not need to post everything ever discussed.


I don't know why you are attacking me. I am not affiliated with moneypot. I just play there frequently and run the risk of losing my bitcoin too if they are insolvent.

I know you are working hard to publicly draw attention to their practices and rightfully so. But the thing is, if moneypot fails, there are no repayments. Everyone looses. If I were you I would be fighting for them to stay alive then publicly accosting them. It doesn't look good for them right now and I would sure hate for everyone to lose out.

thx for confirming who you are  ;D ;D ;D

OK. Who am I?

Of course you were never angry with me, as I said nothing personal. I thought your post seems a little bit rude in this topic.. Well, forget that.
Maybe yes, they will claim that they are owners and usually people act like that when they buy business. But of course it's not correct action and it's lie. And "serious" business with lies.. You may know what I mean..
I thought espringe invented wallet also because the thread where he sold it, there was said moneypot wallet. It was maybe in 2014 year.

The original "moneypot" was actually a game, and had nothing to do with "the gambling wallet". I purchased "moneypot the game" which came with the moneypot.com domain, and was working on a "gambling wallet" service (which at the time, I called "vault"). But I found the name "moneypot" was more suitable for the gambling wallet than the game, so what I did was rebrand "moneypot the game" as "bustabit". And launched "vault" as "moneypot the gambling wallet".  And then later sold moneypot.com (which at this time was the gambling wallet project).

So yeah, it's a bit of a confusing history  ;D

hi

the question was regarding founder. that they are owners is no question but they are definitely not founders. why would they post on a website that they are the founders? unintentionally like Dogedigital posted? they know exactly who is founder and who is owner!

I never saw that RHavar claimed that he is bustabit game inventor or founder. he bought it and he should be called owner


why would new MP owners call themselves "Founder" on an angel website? what is your take? all 3 had a slip of tongue or/and unintentionally?

how about a fair and straight forward answer? sure thing we can call it a gentlemen lapse. my bet is it was intentionally

Ryan Havar was the founder. As far as I remember.

absolutely correct and in the scene well known. the new MP owners didnt  know this huh?

hey brown nosed

explain how it can be unintentional or slip of tounge? 3 owners same time declaring themselves as the founder?

give us a understandable explanation if there exists any

you cant cause no one can explain that it was unintentionally. to obvious even for you :) but your nose is to deep already

This is why nobody wants to talk to you

incorrect you are one of the stupid liars who will always tell me that it is raining when I say the sun is shining and there is no rain :)

if you would not be brown nosed you would post:

yes I agree this cant be unintentionally that 3 owners are posting that they are the founders even they know 100% who the founder is

easy as that

or you would write

this happened the following way:  when those 3 MP owners filled out their profile a magic hand appeared and wrote "Founder" instead of "Co Owner" that means they are really not to blame.

but I can tell you that on linkedin surprisingly the magic hand did not appear and there it is written "Co Owner"

please explain

fair play! do you know what fair play means? even you hate me you should admit that I am right if I am right :)

easy as that

They've already made clear that they aren't the founders right? What more is there to talk about.


"fair play! do you know what fair play means? even you hate me you should admit that I am right if I am right :)"
You do realise that fair play also involves not insulting others because they disagree with you?

sorry I didnt see it please link me to it

Ok so Inside the giant quote list above
There you go

"fair play! do you know what fair play means? even you hate me you should admit that I am right if I am right Smiley"
You do realise that fair play also involves not insulting others because they disagree with you?
Nice of you to cut this part out

I am missing the explanation how comes that all 3 owners are unintentionally founders?

Dogedigital didnt explain it and also not you. it is sure thing that they know who is the founder lol but it doesnt explain that on a website all 3 wrote founder in their profile. THAT STINKS easy as that

Dogedigital gave here a very stupid answer

Actually, I found this thread to be very interesting. I forgot all about my moneypot account until now ---> it wouldn't let me login though so I have no idea where I stand there. I checked out the ICO page thinking maybe I could contribute a little something/something to help it along because it's like a historical monument or something but ---> a security? ---> really? ---> wouldn't pass a Howey test so I guess I'm not allowed---> good luck!

hi

thx for the posting

moneypot is a great business idea and it would be a big success with different owners. sadly

interestingly RHavar does not care that new MP owners are posing as "Founders" of Moneypot hmm

I am sure if I Jackpotracer would have posed as "Founder" of Moneypot he and some more would give me red trust and would be upset

why would they pose and represent them as "Founders" on an Angels site? to impress their girlfriends or Investors? my take is "Investors"

someone asked for proof. I am not a liar 

Dogedigital called it unintentionally and someone else a slip of tongue hmm all 3 owners dont know that they are owners only?

here it is

https://i.imgur.com/6WL60WL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AtW3cgL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/j41Zy8j.jpg

I no longer have anything to do with MP. It's their project now, I try not get involved. I suspect what they mean in those profiles is they are the founders of the "MoneyPot Ltd." company, as opposed to the MP product. If I were them, I'd be using the phrase "co-owner" instead of "co-founder", but I honestly don't really care either way.




On a bit of a side note, I'll be fully winding that down soon (primarily to avoid any confusion) in the coming weeks. All the assets have already been transferred to  "Ryan Holdings" and that will the company I use  ;D

you guys really think that we all are stupid and will eat your shit? you are stupid to think that and shows your cheater character. we are talking about "FOUNDER" and not "OWNER". as you know the difference it shows more and more that you all did it by purpose to impress Investors/Angels

we (at Jackptracer) gave always the credit to RHavar for the great MP business idea even till today! you are "CO-OWNER" and even not "CO-FOUNDER"

another proof that you know the difference is that you are using the correct wording on Linkedin and this you should have used on all sites!
Shame on You. you guys are giving me red trust for nothing to blame me and hide your cheats! you should give yourself red trust!

https://i.imgur.com/GlOV6RQ.jpg


now you are behaving like a clown? to be frank it does not fit to you

you dont care? I see you chiming in many threads ( the last one was Fairlay) and trying to help users to get cheated. very nice I thought!

and here where your business idea is involved you dont care? sorry I dont believe you. your promise was to sell MP only to the right people who know to handle it. you didnt do the DD as it looks like.

MP new owners should never use MP  "FOUNDER" I really hope we can agree on this because only cheaters would do this! and you dont care?

you should have given them red trust immediately! even you switch now to  "Ryan Holdings" the new MP owners are not MP "FOUNDERS"
they never were and the never are! they are CO-OWNERS as you mentioned it

yea go on attacking me. I just said what I see and I see on linkedin that you are Co Owner and whats wrong with this? it is even the truth.
but on Angel you are the Founder! sure thing you will try to twist it as you like it to be :) but it doesnt work with me. even RHavar said Co Owner would be the right word.

the moment you are claiming to be the Founder of Moneypot you are the Founder and not RHavar easy as that

a smart guy would apologize to RHavar and correct the Founder to Co Owner but you prefer to lie and to attack me with lies. that doesnt work. start to get real and transparent

you wrote

C'mon man.  This is the shit that I am talking about.

I call this an attack

you are attacking me and I am defending myself easy as that. just try once to be nice and keep your promises and I dont need to defend myself. try to get it that I am not a Liar and if you can do this you are already on the right way. all polls and scam accusations would not have been

and instead to fight me here in all threads just send the BTC for my RBIES.  I saw this morning in your night time  that I received a RBIES addy and sent hours ago some RBIES to you guys. wouldnt it be nicer to send the BTC and try to be nice?

all your questions are answered by me

ask Rango aka aka aka why is he using so many aka?

RHavar called you a clown and I agreed with him

read your postings and then you should see that it is always an attack on my person!

as I wrote before I have sent you some RBIES so why dont you send the BTC for that deal? instead of arguing with me about already answered questions

get real and transparent

now everyone can see why RHavar called you a clown!

this is not my thread. this is a poll and it is every ones thread

yea go on and show all that you are the serious guy to be trusted. enjoy the next Poll

you are a thief!!!! I am glad you learned to quote

you really think you can dilute the thread? you should be bombarded with red trust! you are a THIEF

I have send you RBIES and you did not send back the BTC you are a THIEF

you are very busy posting BS in all threads but you dont have time to send me the BTC you owe me? you are a THIEF

Dogedigital is a THIEF!

you are very stupid not to pay me the RBIES I have sent. you are showing the real Dogedigital and MP owner. why should someone trust you?

pay your debts you THIEF! and start keeping your promises

btw you are heartily invited to vote in my new Poll

what is done? right now you did not send me the BTC for my RBIES and I call you therefore THIEF

you could send it like a gentleman but you prefer to provoke me. the fun is on my side

Hah, JPR calling someone "not a gentleman"
Loving the irony! Keep it up JPR

the LIAR is you

the THIEF is you

just go on and  show all who you are

every trusted member should paint you guys red!


hey brown nosed kid. I really dont understand how Dogedigital can let you keep your nose in there?

yea I am a gentleman and Dogedigital should try the good feeling not to be a clown and a thief

it looks like you are really eager to get to know another lie of yours! I have a lot more of your lies. You are a LIAR

Btw, didn't your question of this thread already get answered? If yes then why not close/lock the thread, it's served it's purpose right?
Or do you just create these threads because you're afraid to call one "watch me and dogedigital fight"?

a poll does not answer a question. a poll shows us how many people give the correct answer to see what %age is aware of the right answer. sadly many maybe even you gave stupid votes like Jackpotracer was founder of Moneypot.

I dont fight Dogedigital. it is time for you and everyone to understand this. he and his partners are fighting me and I am in the defense

the attacker needs to stop only then is a chance that the fight will stop. it is to easy to call me a Liar if he is just covering his lies with the fake calls

you did vote in the other poll and also commented there
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2212359.msg22288892#msg22288892 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2212359.msg22288892#msg22288892)

you could also tell me there to lock the poll. there is no reason to lock it because there will be more votes and users can learn. why didnt Dogedigital comment there? he could also learn there a lesson

in a democracy Polls are very useful and important but Dogedigital is against my polls. isnt that strange