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Title: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: cycloid on May 29, 2013, 05:50:29 AM
I am just curios to see what you guys think.

I personally love ppc and dont see it going anywhere and vote 0.002 (possibly 0.0025)

Cheers


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: calian on May 29, 2013, 06:11:03 AM
Yes but are you a buyer or a miner?


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: fendlestick on May 29, 2013, 06:26:19 AM
I like PPC and will be taking it on in a retail website in the next few weeks, you heard it here first.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: aikklond on May 29, 2013, 06:27:21 AM
once the other-alt-every-day smoke clears it will go to 0.003 and become stable.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: cycloid on May 29, 2013, 07:16:47 AM
once the other-alt-every-day smoke clears it will go to 0.003 and become stable.

Yep my thoughts exactly, I think PPC has been the biggest victim of all these clone crap coins.
I cant wait to be done with this chapter lol

 


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: cycloid on May 29, 2013, 07:20:52 AM
Yes but are you a buyer or a miner?

I hold a few hundred K of this currency bought in at about 0.0008 and mined before the boom when it was like 5000ppc a day with 9Ghash :) I did sell off 70k at 0.0032 for a quick buck and rest I am going to hang on to for another year or so.

 


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: Yurizhai on May 29, 2013, 07:25:34 AM
Yes but are you a buyer or a miner?

I hold a few hundred K of this currency bought in at about 0.0008 and mined before the boom when it was like 5000ppc a day with 9Ghash :) I did sell off 70k at 0.0032 for a quick buck and rest I am going to hang on to for another year or so.

 

Wow. I have like, none in comparison.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: hl5460 on May 29, 2013, 10:23:58 AM
The longer an alt coin survives, the higher value it can achieve.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: cycloid on May 29, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
The longer an alt coin survives, the higher value it can achieve.

I personally see PPC sticking around but who knows.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: anderl on May 29, 2013, 10:47:53 PM
it will go down.  it is fighting the inflation.  future inflation is guaranteed.  future demand is speculative.  if you cna find reasons that demand will increase faster than the rate of future inflation then price will go up.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: seleme on May 29, 2013, 11:23:35 PM
PPC definitely suffered from new coins release though more that it wasn't pumped since then. It was never stable at 0.003 even without new coins and though it might get there, who knows, it's definitely not something anyone could claim so easily.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: bitdwarf on May 29, 2013, 11:45:53 PM
PPC is the first crypto i mined and I really liked it, but I think it has a decent price for a coin with that total supply, and if no new uses are created for it there could be some ugly dumping.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: ohhaithere on May 30, 2013, 01:07:26 AM
Well technically the poll is useless, because everyone should just say greater than or equal to 0.0001 which is inclusive of all the higher prices. Should be greater than or equal to, but less than the next unselected price


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: calian on May 30, 2013, 03:39:07 AM
Yes but are you a buyer or a miner?

I hold a few hundred K of this currency bought in at about 0.0008 and mined before the boom when it was like 5000ppc a day with 9Ghash :) I did sell off 70k at 0.0032 for a quick buck and rest I am going to hang on to for another year or so.

 

Thanks for the data point. I do have to compare your willingness to hold for a year or so to a guy in the equivalent of your position in BTC though:

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I have no plans to sell anytime soon, I'm fairly certain this is only the beginning. Sure there will be ups and downs but in the end I would be very surprised if the price didn't reach several thousand USD per coin or more.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bhhjg/any_bitcoin_millionaires_here_on_reddit_if_so/c96rn3p


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: calian on May 30, 2013, 04:12:02 AM
Also wanted to invite anyone interested to come join the conversation on the ppcointalk wall observer: http://www.ppcointalk.org/index.php?topic=202.0


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: jubalix on May 30, 2013, 04:18:03 AM
PPC is probably the most undervalued coin out there

It has a real known and good DEV for ages.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: Luckybit on May 30, 2013, 04:35:04 AM
PPC is the first crypto i mined and I really liked it, but I think it has a decent price for a coin with that total supply, and if no new uses are created for it there could be some ugly dumping.
Right now its still over priced but it will eventually reach $1 probably sometime this year.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: calian on May 30, 2013, 04:54:07 AM
I think this coin will be replaced by others in the future that come this way. There are many frustrations with this coin that prevent people from fully grasping and investing in it. I was really interested in this coin and was willing to stock up on it, but I read every single post about PPCoin in this section and I didn't like what I see. This might explain why the community here does not fully support the coin either.

Could you expound on the problems you encountered? Complaints about the central checkpointing? Security concerns about the not completely explored PoS security system? If anything I appreciate that PPC is heavier on development than marketing though there are still plenty of unanswered questions going forward.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: matauc12 on May 30, 2013, 05:00:08 AM
PPC is the first crypto i mined and I really liked it, but I think it has a decent price for a coin with that total supply, and if no new uses are created for it there could be some ugly dumping.
Right now its still over priced but it will eventually reach $1 probably sometime this year.
If you speculate a future higher value, you cannot say its currently overpriced. Things aren't valued at what their current status is, but what it is believed to be worth in the future. Its the reason why when a good news hit about a company, its value rises. And vice versa.

The only plausible reason to say what you just said besides stupidity is "I want to buy low and resell high". But then, its stupid to think the market will follow your claim.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: cycloid on May 30, 2013, 06:52:29 AM
PPC is probably the most undervalued coin out there

It has a real known and good DEV for ages.

Could not agree more. I feel like LTC is a right where it should be + / - 20%
BTC is under and still recovering, i personally think its worth $140-150
NVC is hard to say I think its around where it should be and it makes it the only coin atm at true value.
TRC I hate so I just dont care ;p
PPC is waaayy under as I think it should be around 0.0025

ftc/cnc is total crap and I would not touch them with 10ft pole.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: jubalix on May 30, 2013, 07:03:20 AM
PPC is probably the most undervalued coin out there

It has a real known and good DEV for ages.

Could not agree more. I feel like LTC is a right where it should be + / - 20%
BTC is under and still recovering, i personally think its worth $140-150
NVC is hard to say I think its around where it should be and it makes it the only coin atm at true value.
TRC I hate so I just dont care ;p
PPC is waaayy under as I think it should be around 0.0025

ftc/cnc is total crap and I would not touch them with 10ft pole.

Exactly, TRC was the same price as PPC about a month back, and TRC is heading below TRC

PPC i think will go to 0.004+ maybe even 0.01+


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: trinsic on May 30, 2013, 07:07:28 AM
I hate to say it but I think it still has some way to go before we see it recover.

0.002 would be nice.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: laris2 on May 30, 2013, 09:46:22 AM
I guess, if more cryptocoins are made, the PPCcoin wont change much in it's value +-15% max


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: matauc12 on May 30, 2013, 02:55:32 PM
Yeah, it really all depends on how soon the "alt coin rush" ends though.

In the meantime, I am mining BTC and buying PPC with every btc made


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: Sunny King on May 30, 2013, 03:10:59 PM
it will go down.  it is fighting the inflation.  future inflation is guaranteed.  future demand is speculative.  if you cna find reasons that demand will increase faster than the rate of future inflation then price will go up.

ppcoin currently has the lowest inflation rate (20~30% annual) among all altcoins, only second to bitcoin (~10% annual).


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: lazydna on May 30, 2013, 03:18:58 PM
it will go down.  it is fighting the inflation.  future inflation is guaranteed.  future demand is speculative.  if you cna find reasons that demand will increase faster than the rate of future inflation then price will go up.

ppcoin currently has the lowest inflation rate (20~30% annual) among all altcoins, only second to bitcoin (~10% annual).

Side question for sunny, what is the reason for the large confirmation times for PPC and will this ever be shortened?

Can't seem to post on ppcointalk.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: Sunny King on May 30, 2013, 04:24:06 PM
Side question for sunny, what is the reason for the large confirmation times for PPC and will this ever be shortened?

Can't seem to post on ppcointalk.

Acceptable confirmation time for user transactions are determined by market/exchanges. For bitcoin the market considers 6 confirmations to be extremely safe.

The 520 confirmations required for spending newly-mint (and stake) coins corresponds to bitcoin's 120 confirmations. The purpose of this restriction is to reduce invalidated user transactions during a network fork/split event.

Typically a user transaction can be automatically resent to the network if a block chain reorganization causes it to lose confirmation. However if the transaction is dependent upon newly-mint coins, it could become invalid during a block chain reorganization. In this situation users have to send another transaction in its place. The spending restriction on newly-mint coins is to reduce the occurrence of this scenario.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: cycloid on May 30, 2013, 07:34:45 PM
Side question for sunny, what is the reason for the large confirmation times for PPC and will this ever be shortened?

Can't seem to post on ppcointalk.

Acceptable confirmation time for user transactions are determined by market/exchanges. For bitcoin the market considers 6 confirmations to be extremely safe.

The 520 confirmations required for spending newly-mint (and stake) coins corresponds to bitcoin's 120 confirmations. The purpose of this restriction is to reduce invalidated user transactions during a network fork/split event.

Typically a user transaction can be automatically resent to the network if a block chain reorganization causes it to lose confirmation. However if the transaction is dependent upon newly-mint coins, it could become invalid during a block chain reorganization. In this situation users have to send another transaction in its place. The spending restriction on newly-mint coins is to reduce the occurrence of this scenario.

Sunny King , thank you for your great work! Are you by any chance thinking about updating http://www.ppcoin.org ?
Let me know if you need any help. I set up new novacoin.org and if needed would love to help.

Cheers


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: jubalix on May 31, 2013, 08:55:45 AM
it will go down.  it is fighting the inflation.  future inflation is guaranteed.  future demand is speculative.  if you cna find reasons that demand will increase faster than the rate of future inflation then price will go up.

ppcoin currently has the lowest inflation rate (20~30% annual) among all altcoins, only second to bitcoin (~10% annual).

Look at that real DEV who is on the case,

do you seen why this coin is going places


also I really like  http://www.ppcoin.org/

love the map at the back etc


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: Luckybit on May 31, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
it will go down.  it is fighting the inflation.  future inflation is guaranteed.  future demand is speculative.  if you cna find reasons that demand will increase faster than the rate of future inflation then price will go up.

ppcoin currently has the lowest inflation rate (20~30% annual) among all altcoins, only second to bitcoin (~10% annual).

Look at that real DEV who is on the case,

do you seen why this coin is going places


also I really like  http://www.ppcoin.org/

love the map at the back etc

PPC does not have the lowest inflation rate. Where do you get that number?

Here are the facts I have. PPC has out inflated LTC and hasn't been around nearly as long. It produces around 411 coins per block. Bitcoin is at 25 coins per block. Litecoin is at 50 coins per block. Mincoin is at 2 coins  per block. As a result of epic growth PPcoin has 19 million coins in circulation to LTC's 18 million.

At this point in time it's not really a big deal because 19 million is low, but it's not the lowest inflation rate of all alt-coins based on the numbers I'm working with. I don't know where you get the values of 20% - 30% inflation, and how do you figure it's the lowest?

I know it's your coin so you're going to promote it but what we are seeing in the market are signals of a period of high inflation, and market cap shrinkage, which isn't a bad thing but don't convince people to invest heavy fiat into this coin when it's rise is truly uncertain. I await the figures backing up your claims.
http://coinmarketcap.com/


PPC is probably the most undervalued coin out there

It has a real known and good DEV for ages.

Could not agree more. I feel like LTC is a right where it should be + / - 20%
BTC is under and still recovering, i personally think its worth $140-150
NVC is hard to say I think its around where it should be and it makes it the only coin atm at true value.
TRC I hate so I just dont care ;p
PPC is waaayy under as I think it should be around 0.0025

ftc/cnc is total crap and I would not touch them with 10ft pole.

I don't think it's undervalued if we look at the market cap. The market cap is the indicator for what the price should be and the market cap is shrinking. I'm a fan of the PPcoin technology, but I think the only way for the price to go up is for businesses to start up and accept or use PPcoins. Start a business and somehow find a reason for people to buy and use PPcoins and the market cap will rise. The other thing that needs to happen is hashing power has to be directed at PPcoin because according to my understanding the inflation rate is determined by the hashing power directed at it. More miners should raise the difficulty which should slow the inflation rate and that could happen as soon as ASICS ship.

I'm mining PPC. I predict someday each PPC will be worth $1 and when I mine I think of each PPC as $1. I also think the price of PPC will eventually go up, but the price of PPC will be correlated with the market cap just like it is with all coins and only when the market cap is brought up to a level above the total amount of PPC in circulation will we see PPC price at $1 and up.

This would mean PPC needs a market cap of $19 million or more. LTC has a market cap if $50 million but is selling at $2-3, Bitcoin has a market cap of over a billion and is selling at $100-130, let's see if PPC gets to a dollar when it's market cap is over $20 million, I predict that is what it will take and that is possible but probably not going to happen anytime soon. The only way it will happen is for you and others to set up sites where people can buy PPC directly with USD, not buy it with BTC or LTC. Then there has to be many sites set up for people to spend PPC. Finally there has to be some job sites for people to earn PPC.

Current PPC market cap is $ 3,137,639 and it just lost -7.97%. Unless the trend changes I expect the price to keep going down until a development in PPC changes the trend.

PPC is the first crypto i mined and I really liked it, but I think it has a decent price for a coin with that total supply, and if no new uses are created for it there could be some ugly dumping.
Right now its still over priced but it will eventually reach $1 probably sometime this year.
If you speculate a future higher value, you cannot say its currently overpriced. Things aren't valued at what their current status is, but what it is believed to be worth in the future. Its the reason why when a good news hit about a company, its value rises. And vice versa.

The only plausible reason to say what you just said besides stupidity is "I want to buy low and resell high". But then, its stupid to think the market will follow your claim.

Supply and demand. Supply is high and demand is low. I think this can change over a period of 6 months but the longer supply increases the bigger the market cap will have to be for each coin to be worth $1. So while I know PPC is worth something, and worth more than 0.003 in the long term and definitely worth more than it's going for right now, I don't know that it will ever reach $1.Since the poll is asking where I think it will be in the next 45 days I think right now there are signals that the price has to go down further before the slow climb back up so I think for another few weeks to a month we will see it dip down to 0.0010 and then 0.0007 and from there it will go back up. Because of this, if you're thinking about PPC as a short term investment it's a very bad time to buy PPC. Wait another couple of weeks when supply is increased even further and then buy as much as you can while it's at around 0.0007, if you buy right now you wont get the maximum amount of profits as a speculator.


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: LiteBit on May 31, 2013, 10:06:55 AM
it will go down.  it is fighting the inflation.  future inflation is guaranteed.  future demand is speculative.  if you cna find reasons that demand will increase faster than the rate of future inflation then price will go up.

ppcoin currently has the lowest inflation rate (20~30% annual) among all altcoins, only second to bitcoin (~10% annual).

Look at that real DEV who is on the case,

do you seen why this coin is going places


also I really like  http://www.ppcoin.org/

love the map at the back etc
Isn't that a map of the 3 islands in GTA 3? Lol


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: jaakkop on May 31, 2013, 11:47:32 AM
it will go down.  it is fighting the inflation.  future inflation is guaranteed.  future demand is speculative.  if you cna find reasons that demand will increase faster than the rate of future inflation then price will go up.

ppcoin currently has the lowest inflation rate (20~30% annual) among all altcoins, only second to bitcoin (~10% annual).

Look at that real DEV who is on the case,

do you seen why this coin is going places


also I really like  http://www.ppcoin.org/

love the map at the back etc
Isn't that a map of the 3 islands in GTA 3? Lol

Actually, GTA IV. I always thought there was something familiar with the background... :D


Title: Re: PPC Price in 45Day Poll
Post by: calian on June 01, 2013, 03:31:41 AM
OK, I've replied to Luckybit over at http://www.ppcointalk.org/index.php?topic=202.msg935#msg935