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Title: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: miguelvuc on May 30, 2013, 03:53:10 PM
Today they issued a press release saying everybody registered there needed to give real personal information to withdraw money.
It's the only way to go mainstream, IMO.

Price is stable, since the release.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: RodeoX on May 30, 2013, 03:59:05 PM
I agree with you. Exchanging with fiat money means playing by fiat rules. If you want to maintain some privacy then buy with bitcoin. If you want to use your bitcoins to buy fiat, then you will be audited and taxes will be levied. Their is nothing unfair about this, you are choosing to use fiat that you do not own.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: escrow.ms on May 30, 2013, 04:03:46 PM

That's a good news.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: ultrix on May 30, 2013, 05:03:05 PM
I think it would be closer to legit if they could arrange some form of credit card processing.  The wire transfer deposits are a pain.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: UniversalTrek on May 30, 2013, 05:07:10 PM
Good news, but at the same time, I fear they will require more verification until more fees will have to be paid, thus turning it into a "bank" of sorts and finally being regulated and taken over by the government -


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: Fiyasko on May 30, 2013, 05:13:43 PM
Good! Im glad to see MT.Gox go "oh shit, we didnt realise that at the time. Here you go US gov. We will play by the rules, dont shut us down, it was just a misunderstanding"
It would have really sucked to see MT.Gox just get "shutdown" for something so minor yet critical


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: astrobooey on May 30, 2013, 05:16:34 PM
Indeed, one more step in the right direction for popularity and safety


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: rAz1eL on May 30, 2013, 05:18:08 PM
Good news


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: rpg on May 30, 2013, 05:21:49 PM
Good! Im glad to see MT.Gox go "oh shit, we didnt realise that at the time. Here you go US gov. We will play by the rules, dont shut us down, it was just a misunderstanding"
It would have really sucked to see MT.Gox just get "shutdown" for something so minor yet critical

governments really don't give a shit about BTC, as far as they are concerned is just another revenue stream. What they do care about is money laundering from criminal activities and tax evasion. I'm afraid BTC has been used mostly for that purpose. When the community cleans itself up from mafias hackers and zilionaires hiding money for tax purposes, BTC can go mainstream


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: PurpleTentacle on May 30, 2013, 05:29:54 PM
It also seems that the gap between prices on different exchanges has disappeared, people may be trusting mtgox a little bit more again.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: AzureEngineer on May 30, 2013, 05:49:39 PM
It is just a matter of time before an experienced business starts up an exchange and gobbles up the majority of business. MtGox and other exchanges may be okay for now, but mainstream customers won't tolerate these "sorta kinda works" businesses. MtGox is going to end up the Avalon of exchanges (delivers, but still can't get itself together quite right). It won't be long until we see an exchange version of ASICminer. A company that takes advantage of a market filled with amateurs.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: JSMill on May 30, 2013, 05:56:23 PM
It is just a matter of time before an experienced business starts up an exchange and gobbles up the majority of business. MtGox and other exchanges may be okay for now, but mainstream customers won't tolerate these "sorta kinda works" businesses. MtGox is going to end up the Avalon of exchanges (delivers, but still can't get itself together quite right). It won't be long until we see an exchange version of ASICminer. A company that takes advantage of a market filled with amateurs.

Absolutely.  Although I would prefer a more even distribution of the market share.  Ideally no exchange would have more than a 30% of the market share.  Exchanges would have a greater incentive to compete on fees, technology platforms, and other features.  Perhaps exchanges would be more regionally based as it can be very onerous to comply with all the regulations throughout the world.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: btcdocs on May 30, 2013, 06:19:23 PM
"I agree with you. Exchanging with fiat money means playing by fiat rules. If you want to maintain some privacy then buy with bitcoin. If you want to use your bitcoins to buy fiat, then you will be audited and taxes will be levied. Their is nothing unfair about this, you are choosing to use fiat that you do not own."

Unless, of course, one finds an individual with a briefcase full of money and trades them bitcoins for it.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: RodeoX on May 30, 2013, 07:14:45 PM
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"I agree with you. Exchanging with fiat money means playing by fiat rules. If you want to maintain some privacy then buy with bitcoin. If you want to use your bitcoins to buy fiat, then you will be audited and taxes will be levied. Their is nothing unfair about this, you are choosing to use fiat that you do not own."

Unless, of course, one finds an individual with a briefcase full of money and trades them bitcoins for it.
That is an interesting case. If the amount is less than 10k$USD and done in person, it might be legal?? Of course the person selling must pay capitol gains on any increase in price since they bought the coins.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: keil74 on May 30, 2013, 07:42:21 PM
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I think it would be closer to legit if they could arrange some form of credit card processing.  The wire transfer deposits are a pain.
absolutely agree!


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: JSMill on May 30, 2013, 07:44:41 PM
Credit cards would be awesome, but its really tough to use a payment system that can be reversed (credit cards) to purchase bitcoins.  Obviously the bitcoin transactions cannot be reversed without the recipient's consent.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: joeventura on May 30, 2013, 08:26:25 PM
Mt Gox needs to get an attorney who is well versed in this and ask them to start looking for holes or gaps that major governments can use for shutting them down and make sure they are on the up and up


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: Radamus on May 30, 2013, 10:03:55 PM
Credit cards would be awesome, but its really tough to use a payment system that can be reversed (credit cards) to purchase bitcoins.  Obviously the bitcoin transactions cannot be reversed without the recipient's consent.

I know a lot of people here like this about bitcoins, but I think it's probably the single biggest obstacle to getting the general population to adopt them. At the very least, people would need a system that can handle the tougher parts of spending bitcoins for them. It doesn't matter how much better the system is if another one is much much easier.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: samueljezny on May 30, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
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I think it would be closer to legit if they could arrange some form of credit card processing.  The wire transfer deposits are a pain.

Totally agree.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: stealtheh on May 30, 2013, 10:19:11 PM
Is more of a banking system now. Although kind of intrusive for an anonymous currency, it's a good move.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: Lohoris on May 31, 2013, 08:30:09 AM
It doesn't matter how much better the system is if another one is much much easier.
Then being able to accept credit cards to buy Bitcoins would be totally pointless, since using directly credit cards to pay is more straightforward.


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: passo on May 31, 2013, 09:27:07 AM
I understand its good for them but its bad for me. I dont have any bills at all and i live in squat so its not possible for me to get verified. Now i have to re buy btc and move it all to another exchange. I loose on it :(


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: jlsminingcorp on May 31, 2013, 11:53:08 AM
Why does what happens at Gox dominate people's thinking so much? I've used a few other exchanges and all works rather well. It doesn't seem healthy for one exchange to have so much power does it?


Title: Re: MT.Gox one step closer to being "legit"
Post by: WikiLeaksLover on May 31, 2013, 11:54:10 AM
without anonymity bitcoin loses most of its value. the value in bitcoin is that it protects you from getting your identity stolen.