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Title: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: muenze on September 26, 2017, 06:44:26 PM
Anyone read this article?
Its pretty negative towards bitcoin, calling it "bitcon" but still pretty interesting i thought.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/25/bitcoin-market-may-be-financing-north-korea-after-sanctions/

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But I’m told the nations that put those sanctions in place are worried North Korea is getting around them by using the bitcoin market to get secret financing.

And I’m wondering if that’s the reason China, which seems to be on board in pressuring North Korea, recently shut down bitcoin markets.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: stompix on September 26, 2017, 09:04:02 PM
Article?
Since when are 5 lines of text an article?
That's one garbage website with 99% clickbait titles.

Besides, how would NK use bitcoin?
They would have first to get them (how?) then buy the stuff which is already a subject of UN resolution) and acquire more btc.
It would be easier for them to get things done with suitcases full of $ than with bitcoin.

Those are just speculation and conspiracy theories.



Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: mrcash02 on September 26, 2017, 09:17:18 PM
It's not impossible to happen, but I think if China were banning or regulating Bitcoin even more because of North Korea possible secret financing they would say it...

And if North Korea is really using Bitcoin to finance their shady activities I think USA is aware about it and investigating secretly.
The only chance for North Korea is to resign and stop threatening others, if they don't want to be destroyed.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: ivrynx on September 26, 2017, 11:17:55 PM
I think this news still needs confirmation, china is a super power already, why would they be threatened of north korea, they are so much advanced in all aspects. There is another reason why china would ban bitcoin and it is not because of north korea. I think there arr people who are just making this up,  it is true that china is protecting its people from scam ICOs, and from terrorist cyber attack, that is why china would want to regulate bitcoin first, and also want to take control of exchanges, sooner or later, we might see china legalizing bitcoin again, and this might be due to the influence of russia, since they have a lot of transactions and agreement with them. I think we should validate this news first. Also i agree with the previous post, north korea have limited access to the internet, its citizens might not know what bitcoin is, and how to do investments, i think all that north korea have is their natural resources. We should do more validation for this news, since china would not just give in to north korea.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: LeGaulois on September 26, 2017, 11:47:10 PM
Don't take this article seriously.  I am surprised such a looooong and deep article has been published by the NYP
John Crudele is anti Bitcoin and says it's bullshit. If you read random articles from him you will see he usually write a decent length article but when it's about Bitcoin, he writes 3-4 sentences only and brings nothing journalistic, only seeking attention on him.
Here is another example with an article from him related to Bitcoin
http://nypost.com/2017/09/16/bitcoin-fan-isnt-happy-i-said-the-currency-was-a-joke/


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: illinest on September 26, 2017, 11:56:19 PM
Anyone read this article?
Its pretty negative towards bitcoin, calling it "bitcon" but still pretty interesting i thought.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/25/bitcoin-market-may-be-financing-north-korea-after-sanctions/

I've been expecting this FUD storm around North Korea for a while now. The media has been giving us tastes for weeks. First, state-sponsored cyber attacks on Bitcoin exchanges. Then, assertions that North Korea is mining Bitcoin. These types of stories help to create a narrative that associates Bitcoin with criminals and terrorists.

It's no surprise; governments have been pushing this narrative for years now. Fortunately, cryptocurrency is increasingly seen to have legitimate uses by the mainstream and by regulators. It takes time and vigilance to combat the FUD, though.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: yugyug on September 27, 2017, 12:33:53 AM
That was a baseless statement, China already banning bitcoin long time ago before the time that North Korea participate into bitcoin mining recently this year. This news is not new anymore every year we could read a news about Chinese government banning bitcoin, but still Chinese people do insist, bitcoin is unstoppable and bitcoin is immortal, Hail Bitcoin !


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: groko271 on September 27, 2017, 01:05:29 AM
barely a paragraph  which states "maybe" something without explaining anything. What a joke of an article, not one single reference.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: Jose Mourinho on September 27, 2017, 02:42:18 AM
I do not believe in this issue, I think china banned bitcoin because the worries of bitcoin users are increasing and can threaten the Chinese economy because the government can not control bitcoin.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: sandy rivers on September 27, 2017, 03:00:23 AM
I do not believe in this issue, I think china banned bitcoin because the worries of bitcoin users are increasing and can threaten the Chinese economy because the government can not control bitcoin.
I even thought the same but the reason china banning bitcoin is because they are in process of creating a crypto currency that is centrally organised by the government.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: pekingcoepo on September 27, 2017, 03:15:36 AM
Don't take this article seriously.  I am surprised such a looooong and deep article has been published by the NYP
John Crudele is anti Bitcoin and says it's bullshit. If you read random articles from him you will see he usually write a decent length article but when it's about Bitcoin, he writes 3-4 sentences only and brings nothing journalistic, only seeking attention on him.
Here is another example with an article from him related to Bitcoin
http://nypost.com/2017/09/16/bitcoin-fan-isnt-happy-i-said-the-currency-was-a-joke/

really what you say John Crudele is just looking for attention, everything he writes about Bitcoin is mere nonsense. Maybe do not make a new panic by raising such articles, because we still have to be careful in finding valid information about Bitcoin.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: captainhera on September 27, 2017, 03:18:27 AM
It is hard to understand, can someone explain to me is not
Why is bitcoin banned in China but related and why from North Korea


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: Baofeng on September 27, 2017, 03:24:47 AM
It is hard to understand, can someone explain to me is not
Why is bitcoin banned in China but related and why from North Korea

What has North Korea do in connection with pressuring China? I don't get it. North Korea is isolated already because of its threat to the world. They are even mining bitcoin so that they will survived from all the embargo the West has put up. But North Korea telling China to ban bitcoin? Unlikely. There are reasons that China has turn its backs to bitcoin, but I doubt that it has something to do with North Korea. The article doesn't explain it and I agree that John Crudele is anti-bitcoin so its not surprising he is attacking it. All mainstream media are riding into bitcoin's popularity so no wonder John Crudele is doing it as well.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: Kingofbitcoin12345 on September 27, 2017, 03:26:10 AM
Are we not yet done about china here.. I don't take a wasted time reading some articles that full of nonsense.. We have to be on the positive end now,, enough of negativity,, FUD,, and bad news.. Things going normal as I posted right now and let China do what they want to do and let they're people decide either they like it or not.. Let they're feet fall when they slipped at once a quote for them..


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: Immakillya on September 27, 2017, 03:46:03 AM
Totally base less statement. It's just a clickbait. The writer tryna be genius posting this kind of news which don't have a strong evidences. This makes no sense at all. If China secretly financing North Korea by bitcoin. Then why China is doing crackdowns against bitcoin? The news is bullshit. Pure speculation because the report didn't even bother to look and attach some evidences to prove his claims. The reporter is just one of individuals who are paid for spreading this kind of news. What a shame.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: ragavancoin on September 27, 2017, 03:59:22 AM
It's not happening first time in china, so don't take that article too seriously I think finally all going favor of Bitcoin, so Bitcoin will back again at china with strongly.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: pooya87 on September 27, 2017, 04:07:37 AM
just another bullshit from someone who failed to do some research before writing something and call it "article".

And I’m wondering if that’s the reason China, which seems to be on board in pressuring North Korea, recently shut down bitcoin markets.

if the author did some research he wouldn't have been wondering about this. he could have seen that their reason is to close an unlicensed business that has been acting shady. and also he could have seen that this is not the first time they did something like this.

additionally they did NOT shut down "bitcoin markets" they closed a number of exchanges and the rest are acting still.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: Persiville on September 27, 2017, 04:09:07 AM
Don't take this article seriously.  I am surprised such a looooong and deep article has been published by the NYP
John Crudele is anti Bitcoin and says it's bullshit. If you read random articles from him you will see he usually write a decent length article but when it's about Bitcoin, he writes 3-4 sentences only and brings nothing journalistic, only seeking attention on him.
Here is another example with an article from him related to Bitcoin
http://nypost.com/2017/09/16/bitcoin-fan-isnt-happy-i-said-the-currency-was-a-joke/

really what you say John Crudele is just looking for attention, everything he writes about Bitcoin is mere nonsense. Maybe do not make a new panic by raising such articles, because we still have to be careful in finding valid information about Bitcoin.

No its not like that. You can read it and either choose to believe it or not, whether its true or not, maybe it has a point and it does really affect our economy. We cannot avoid that some people will get panic because of this article, true or not, its still depends on how the readers understand it, this is just maybe and that is what he see in our economic state as of right now.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: LouVandetta on September 27, 2017, 04:13:21 AM
That 'areticle' is really short. It's not even explained anything.
Only speculation, FUD and blah blah. I think that china banning bitcoin has nothing to with North Korea.
Yes, I know that North Korea is a bit in the heat with other countries, especially US.
So something like those FUD will never end.



Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: josephpogi on September 27, 2017, 04:43:05 AM
I think this news still needs confirmation, china is a super power already, why would they be threatened of north korea, they are so much advanced in all aspects. There is another reason why china would ban bitcoin and it is not because of north korea. I think there arr people who are just making this up,  it is true that china is protecting its people from scam ICOs, and from terrorist cyber attack, that is why china would want to regulate bitcoin first, and also want to take control of exchanges, sooner or later, we might see china legalizing bitcoin again, and this might be due to the influence of russia, since they have a lot of transactions and agreement with them. I think we should validate this news first. Also i agree with the previous post, north korea have limited access to the internet, its citizens might not know what bitcoin is, and how to do investments, i think all that north korea have is their natural resources. We should do more validation for this news, since china would not just give in to north korea.
I agree with you china is so strong and have power. but i think china ban the bitcoin becuase bitcoin is  not control by any goverment so china banned the bitcoin becuase they want a tax to get from bitcoin. So i think not becuase of northkorea.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: deadsilent on September 27, 2017, 04:56:51 AM
NYPOST.COM, this is a legit news site? If it is, then they should fire this reporter who is just making an accusations which don't have any solid proofs to support his accusations. Of course theres a freedom of speech and he is just saying what he feels, but in his statements seems he surpass the limits. That's very unprofessional. He is accusing China is secretly funding North Korea with bitcoins. That's a serious accusation right there. Anyway, no one will believe this since there's still no confirmations. But serious, fire this reporter.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: BurstIncomeAsset on September 27, 2017, 05:21:07 AM
NYPOST.COM, this is a legit news site? If it is, then they should fire this reporter who is just making an accusations which don't have any solid proofs to support his accusations. Of course theres a freedom of speech and he is just saying what he feels, but in his statements seems he surpass the limits. That's very unprofessional. He is accusing China is secretly funding North Korea with bitcoins. That's a serious accusation right there. Anyway, no one will believe this since there's still no confirmations. But serious, fire this reporter.

It is rare to find a legit news site and all the big ones are liars. They launched the fake news stuff because people already started to show their lies and discredit them. It is like in X-file: deny everything, admit nothing, make counter accusations.

Of course all the news linking Bitcoin and North Korea are insubstantial at best.

 


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: Yuuto on September 27, 2017, 05:24:10 AM
Anyone read this article?
Its pretty negative towards bitcoin, calling it "bitcon" but still pretty interesting i thought.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/25/bitcoin-market-may-be-financing-north-korea-after-sanctions/

Quote
But I’m told the nations that put those sanctions in place are worried North Korea is getting around them by using the bitcoin market to get secret financing.

And I’m wondering if that’s the reason China, which seems to be on board in pressuring North Korea, recently shut down bitcoin markets.


There could definitely be some sort of connection between the shut down of Chinese exchanges ordered by the Chinese government and the fact that there are rumors saying North Korea is now turning to bitcoin to make a living.

Though i think that the major reason is still because of the fact that the Chinese government does not want bitcoin to take over the Chinese economy, if it gets big.

They don't want to take that risk and let it grow, they'd rather exercise their intervention right now and warn bitcoin companies they are not welcome in China.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: DoublerHunter on September 27, 2017, 08:28:28 AM
There is no connection for china and north korea for banning bitcoin. They ban bitcoin because it is not that controllable for them and it is not possible for china to take over bitcoin and dictate it so they just tried their best to regulate it but they failed and the only way to stop the possible change that bitcoin can give to china is they banned the ico up to exchanges and bitcoin.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: 50ouncebrew on September 29, 2017, 03:15:11 AM
If that is the case then that is probably because China has most of the Bitcoin sellers in the world, but that didn't matter as a lot of volume went to localbitcoins.com right after bans.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: Zenithar on September 29, 2017, 03:58:45 AM
There is no connection for china and north korea for banning bitcoin. They ban bitcoin because it is not that controllable for them and it is not possible for china to take over bitcoin and dictate it so they just tried their best to regulate it but they failed and the only way to stop the possible change that bitcoin can give to china is they banned the ico up to exchanges and bitcoin.
Not  a single county either China, Koria or Japan or any other country can dictate bitcoin, because bitcoin is a universal and decentralize currency. If a single country will banned bitcoin who will even regret for their decision in near future, i do not think that it will effect the image of bitcoin. I am sure that in near future we will see so many other country who will accept bitcoin as legal currency just like Japan.


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: Scorpion on September 29, 2017, 04:28:22 AM

I have seen any real substance of research or verified truth in that assertion because Bitcoin is legitimate in most countries in the world it's not going to make huge decision on online digital currency for one country versus all of the other ones (more powerful and relevant countries).


Title: Re: So the China Bitcoin ban is because NORTH KOREA
Post by: muenze on September 29, 2017, 11:50:30 AM
NYPOST.COM, this is a legit news site? If it is, then they should fire this reporter who is just making an accusations which don't have any solid proofs to support his accusations. Of course theres a freedom of speech and he is just saying what he feels, but in his statements seems he surpass the limits. That's very unprofessional. He is accusing China is secretly funding North Korea with bitcoins. That's a serious accusation right there. Anyway, no one will believe this since there's still no confirmations. But serious, fire this reporter.

The article isnt that bad. because he doesnt state a fake news as fact as all the other media does constantly. This reporter actually does say its a rumour/something he heard. Maybe you missed that part? If something is stated as a rumour, I appreciate that even when its "negative news" on bitcoin because in life you grow more if you hear ALL sides, and know BOTH sides, you cant conquer the world if you ignore/ridicule news/information you dont like. That makes you part of the problem actually.