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If you see a thread that offers bonuses to it's members for posting in their thread, effectively bumping it then you can report it to the mods. They'll have their thread removed, and likely their accounts banned. If you want to you can always leave negative trust with archive evidence.

But, they'll likely be banned anyway.

From the user's side: Neg. rate the provider and everyone involved.
From the forum's side: Ban all accounts involved.

Hi Guys,

surly, this is not a good situation and i agree that this far from being perfect, for known reasons.

Anyway, i would like to put something else on the table:

Is requiring people to post in a thread the progress of their "sharing" not the same, if it is a requirement to get their bounty "reward" aka get the payment?
If so you would need to ban nearly all threads regarding to bounties.

just a thought ...

totally agree and would welcome any further discussion on this :)

As far as I'm aware it's only when they are offering a bonus to post on their thread. Also, if posting an address isn't required then that's also a reportable offense. Stricter rules or more restrictions need to be brought in though. I'm not sure what the solution would be to prevent this, but it would be nice if the community could discuss and come up with some solutions.

There's also this:

It seems like you get twice the payment if you spam the forum. I think it is time to start tagging the participants too. What do you think Welsh?

How does that differ from the requirement to post your stats? Require posting your stats to get a payment does exactly the same, its attention is to get as most as possible attention. Same for ANN threads as a lot bounty programs require people to post in their ANN thread (again to get their payment). We do not require this we just encourage people and of course we are interested in discussion and not in spam!

We at copytrack developed a more advanced system that does not require people to post their stats and fill it up with spam. However our intention to change the "tradition", did not work out as we just stand no chance against the "old traditional" threads.

If you take a look at nearly any of the bounty threads they are full practical unneeded stats posts. We think any company that holds and ico should have the resource and knowledge to provide a system that would not require the need of posting the stats here.
However they simply dont want to as they do want the same attention as the "old traditional" bounties.

I think disallowing stats post would already reduce a lot of spam.

Also if i compare the "quality" ANN thread of copytrack with other ones i do not see much difference. They are all far away from real discussions.


I would love to see the spam reduced in this forum, if we come up with a solution here we will be the first to adapted to what ever conclusion we come here

Completely wrong. Posting your submissions in the thread to apply for a bounty =/= posting your stats in the thread to receive a bonus.

You, at Copytrack, need to terminate the spam incentive. Pending further discussion[1] and evaluation, I will likely tag every single account that did this.

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Still waiting for some reasonable input. @shitposters and bounty farmers: Go away.

So if we remove the "bonus" than it would be again ok? Sorry i dont get it. We could also require people to post their "submissions" even if this is not necessary, but this would again result in unneeded spam which we try to avoid.  Also like i said their are a lot of bounty programs that require you to post in theire ann thread to get the "bonus/bounty".

I just added a hint to our program that we dont will not tolerate spam. It will take a moment to also implement this into our system but we will do our best to improve the quality of the posts.

Optimally, you'd remove both the bonus and keep submissions out of Bitcointalk (e.g. Google forms or a dedicated platform). However, keep in mind that shitposters will still probably make occasional submissions via the thread (based on my experience). You can ignore those. If your thread isn't as active, then you can bump it once per 24 hours.

Then they need to be tackled as well. If you know any, feel free to report them in this section.

We shall see.

Well then we will consider to remove the bonus (would love to hear to opinion of more people before we take action). Regarding the submissions, why should we remove also the post of "submissions", as this seems not to violating the rules right or is at least "best practice"?

Saw a few right now on the first page in the bounty board.


Summing this up till here:

• giving a bonus to encourage posting in your own thread is not allowed
• require your participants spamming the threads with submissions is totally valid
• require people to post in certain threads is not allowed but widely ignored

did i missed something?

I'd think offering an additional bonus to post in the ANN thread would fall into the category of an ICO bumping scheme, which is close enough to an ICO bumping service and is equally as shady and untrustworthy when you are at a forum where bumping more than once every 24 hours is not allowed. Incentivizing or paying someone to bump your thread is not something that has been allowed in the past and I doubt will be allowed in the future.

right, so we disabled/removed to bonus from our signature campaign.

We tried a new different way for the signature campaign and we should have read the rules more closely. My apologies for this.


Anyway i like to further discus the remaining open questions.

I used the word optimally exactly because it isn't against the rules. It helps avoid unnecessary spam and it's actually easier to track of (Google forms and sheets).

I don't spend my day watching a trashcan.

Correct.

Correct, unfortunately.

Correct.

Great find. Someone really needs to make a summary of his posts in a single thread for easy referencing.

Which are?

How to face the spam with all these progress posts for example?
Form my point as a dev they are totally useless and unneeded they only have one purpose, drawing attention so why not try get rid of the them?

On what scale? Your project or forum wide? For the project you can: a) Do external submissions as I've pointed out. b) Run self-moderated threads. For the latter, I don't have anything to say. It's been an on-going battle for years, with less and less proper action from the forum administration.

of course forum wide anything else would be nonsense. Like i pointed out i would expect from any ico team that they do have the resource to provide an external system where you can report your stats or like we make it simply unnecessary.

So it would make the life of admins easier if progress posts would be banned completely right?

Then this discussion isn't properly located. There have been countless threads discussing this and they were somewhat easy to find until this recent spam about the merit system (hundreds of threads; most of them are useless). You should do some research and find the old threads if those discussions really interest you. This section is what you're looking for: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0.

Correct. So would explicitly banning account sales, account farming et. al.

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We should really avoid discussing this here as we are moving away from the main topic.

I think the progress posts fall exactly under this topic as they do "Making Fake Noise"

Anyway we admitted making a mistake here and removed the double bonus. Whats left here to discus if not all kinds of "ICO Bumping"?

I'm sorry. I registered the Signature campaign unintentionally, though I'm just a Newbie.

you did nothing wrong, till now its still a more or less general discussion nothing user specific

i not apply and why i got this msg???
We removed the double stake bonus (see [ICO Bumping] ☮ Making Fake Noise ☮
Also we will not count spam posts! Doing so will get you excluded from the bounty program

this is just a general notice/warning everyone sees it, no worries ;)

Until theymos introduces restrictions upon the altcoin section specifically and any other bumping services, all you can do is report the posts. I know this takes several hours a day and means you'll be reporting hundreds if not thousands of posts, but even if you can report 1 post and leave a message in the report field that there's many other replies like it.

this is good solution for preventing Bumping and spamming post, since many of copytrack participants were only chasing the post without consent to the quality. I'll be happy to follow the rule

that is why you need to be reading thread rules and regulation before making any decision. you are newbie you need to understand how things work on this forum before start participating in any campaign you see here on bitcointalk

Guys please what's up with this copy track but ico what happened to the original thread?

it seems the ANN thread + bounty thread has been deleted because of this thread?

is it really deleted because of this thread and why it can be so

Handled.

Reserve

Matic Network: Creating a fake thread and profile.

Sentivate: https://i.imgur.com/hxtTunV.gif

AMEPAY: Topics is active

With the help of third parties, "ico bumping services" are used for their flows, which in itself is fraud. As a consequence, forced publications in ANN flows and the false, meaningless feedback. This means that the participants publish 70 - 80% of the messages in the streams of this project in order to get a larger stack. Thus, AMEPAY encourages "paid shill bumping" and creates for itself a fake noise. Below you can clearly see how it looks in reality.

ANN Bumping using false noise is likely to be unsuccessful or fraudulent. Such projects are aimed at people who do not understand or do not want to take crypto too seriously.

BAEXdApp: Topics is active

• When creating this post I was also guided by the informal list (official) of the Bitcointalk.org rules  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2103690.0)

• In my opinion, a "paid shill bumping" when someone, in particular members of a bounty campaign or bounty managers acting on behalf of ICO, participate or offer to participate in the artificial advancement of the ANN thread. To achieve the goal of increasing the attractiveness of the project at the forum bitcointalk.org. In addition, this leads to a better ranking in the "Announcements (Altcoins)" section, as well as support at the top of the list. From the point of view of advertisers, all this is traffic. They do not care about the quality of publications, the main thing is that their advertising is shown as often as possible.

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SNTX: Topics is active
Sentivate: Topics is active
Matic Network: Creating a fake thread and profile.
Afincoin: Topics is active
Cures Token:  1/2 Threads deleted.
Unification: Topic deleted
Copytrack: Topics deleted

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AMEPAY: Topics is active, Updated

With the help of third parties, "ico bumping services" are used for their flows, which in itself is fraud. As a consequence, forced publications in ANN flows and the false, meaningless feedback that the monetary stimulus provides. This means that the participants publish 70 - 80% of the messages in the streams of this project in order to get a larger stack. Thus, AMEPAY encourages "paid shill bumping" and creates for itself a fake noise. Below you can clearly see how it looks in reality. Also presented are the average statistical data on flows with identical traffic.