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The pre-ICO has just launched, check it out!

https://bfreecoin.io/

With your support, we want to set new standards in the bodyflying market. Visit the homepage of our project and convince yourself.

The windtunnel market is a fast growing market turning in high profits worldwide. Be a part of our pre-ICO and profit from the high discount.

Why you should participate? Cause of....

-  The project is NOT in baby shoes anymore. We have been working on it since 2013, spent in those 4 years 1.5M EUR and passed the most risky start-up phase.
-   High discount of 40% during the pre ICO
-   High increase in value
-   High risk phase of the project is already passed and completion is imminent
-   As a physically existing project, the success of Fly Vision is tangible for all participants

Use this link to view our presentat0ion and participate in this safe but spectacular ICO

https://bfreecoin.io/
https://vimeo.com/home/myvideos

- You have numerous spelling and grammar errors on your website and whitepaper, but also mention in the disclaimer in the footer of the whitepaper that English is the primary language of the whitepaper.
- Why the hell do you need a token for this, you don't even mention what the token is for
- Your "click to call us" link isn't even a link, just like the instagram and twitter links
- You thank "15 partner companies" and conveniently don't mention the names of any of them

Get your cash grab bullshit out of this forum.

Hello RGBKey, our english is quite understandable and  even more than that. Also the whitepaper was doublechecked by an American. Well, we still don't have any anglish native speakers in our regulary team, so  the one or other spelling mistake can happen, it still does not reduce the quality of the project. By the way is'nt speaking a foreign language on such a level not even a good performance?

Unfortunately it seems like You have not read our whitepaper and also have not checked the landingpage. Would you have done this, you would have seen our Imagemovie, which explaines as good as the whitepaper, what we are doing on this project. This Imagemovie is'nt long, but the shooting demanded every flying model and the whole team a great deal of strength. By the way the team: check the whitepaper again. Everyone of the 15 companies is named inkluding the discription of the funktion it has.

The only one thing you are right with are the Buttons for instagram, Twitter and phonecall. Now it is just the phonecall button. But why did'nt you mention the functioning button to the facebook-page? This page exists already longer and includes some press reviews about our project, which were  the result of a big presse conference organized by the city council to make our project well known in the region.

We do not reject critik, it helps us to get better. But please be the next time constructive and well informed.

I love wind tunnels as much as the next guy but I see no reason whatsoever for you to ICO. In fact, it seems to me like you see an ICO as just an easier way to raise funds than having to use traditional seed funding. What problem are you solving, and more importantly, how is this not a security... Not confident in this project whatsoever. Might invest if you were crowdfunding or running a series A but definitely not going to invest in your token. Your legal is shotty at best.

Looks interesting, do you have ANN thread on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0 ??
People need to see the road map, developers team and how this project will be going in the future, what's the benefits for investors and so on. Then, if you want this ICO success, hire a manager to start a signature campaign, bounty campaign and social media campaign.
As the site mentioned 15 partners of the company but only revealed 2 people as the founder. I guess, you should mention all of them in the announcement thread.

It is good, but why are you trying to make an ICO of it? You already have a bussiness, why do you want more money by creating an ico? i dont understand the real purpose of that.. you are trying to rise more money for what? what features are you going to develop with that money? what are the profits for your investors?

As much as I love sky diving, and as much as wind tunnels are the next best thing for people who want to try what it feels like gliding in the air, I would personally never invest in this ICO. This project mainly has got nothing to provide for investors. Since you have successful businesses and also very good business partners, why not try taking out a low risk business loan from a bank? I bet some banks would go for it just because you already have business credentials and a working demo for a project.

just because some business is successful doesnt mean you should have ico for it

Many thansk for your feedback and advices. In Fact we have all the partners named in whitepaper and not just them, also further detailed information. But we just found that only very few people read the whitepaper and we need to put more key information to the website.  

Nice project, but i dont understand why are you making an ico of it, i understand that your bussiness is making it well, but why the necessity of creating an ico for it? i dont understand the real purpose of that, or what are the investors going to get in return of investing in your company, but yes, this is a good idea because it has a physical revenue, but it makes it sounds like if the founders only want to get more money by this way.

For us there are 3 good raisons not to resort to the ""traditional seed funding"

-  We love the idea of crypto currencies and want to bring them forward as good as we can cause they are just the perfect alternative to the traditional currencies. We wanna more than just an ICO, we want to accept payments for all our services in crypto and have already spoken to the city council, where we are building the windtunnel, about a joint advertising campaign for payments in crypto

- having a "traditional investors" is not the best way for any start up. It was the only one way before the ICO era but not the best. Por example in Germany, where we are located, the CEO of a company has a very strict legal responsibility for everything what happens with his company. On the other hand, he is 100% bound by instructions of the Investors. So you are legal responsible for something what you did'nt decide. This is a very unhealthy situation

-  We would like to have the freedom, to make our own decisions. With a conservative investor who just wants to earn money as much and as soon as possible, you can not make experiments like payments in crypto just because you want to support a great idea. Unfortunetely we did'nt find any investor who had enough money and wanted to support crypto currencies with us.

We don't want to get more money. Not at all :) We just try to get as much as we need to get started. Our project is not built yet. The movie you have seen on our page is made in an other already existing facility.

We spend the last 3 years for market research, searching for the property which was maybe the most difficult part because of a very special facility building and application for the building permit, which we finally  received.

Now we need the money for the construction.

We don't have a running business yet. We prepared evereything to be able to start the construction of the windtunnel. We did a market research, found a property suitable for a special project like that, get the building permit, did even some pre marketing already, but now we need money for th cinstruction.

The movie you've maybe seen on our website was'nt filmed in our facility, cause that is not built yet.

The profits for the supporters of our ICO are described in the whitepape on pages 21-25 :)

Well our business partners are our architects, planners, city hall, lawyers etc. Investments are not their field of activity.

For banks it is not enough at all to have had demonstrated you can managed this business and to show a good plan. They need you especially to have already equity in the amount of 30 % of the whole Investment at least. Because of this and a few raisons more no one windtunnel in Europe is funded by a bank.


When you think this project has nothing to offer to Invvestors, how can you bet, a bank would go for it?

By the way, I definitely do not share your opinion in this point. Otherwise I would'nt have invested 3 years of my time and 1.5 million Euro to bring this project to the current level. Come and fly with us, when we were succefull with this ICO :)


Blue skies :)

 

I remember that kind of thing years ago. I'm not sure I'm wrong about what I see, but it was something like that.I think it is a system that is currently in progress. If the project collects money from there, how much do you need it for this project. I saw only 1 token sold on ico page. I hope there is no trouble. why there is not much participation.

I did a little bit more research regarding this. You said you guys own Fly Vision right? The one under construction in Frankfurt? If it is the same place, then this company is legitimate as they are actually already recognized by International Bodyflight Association. IBA is one of the first of its kind to provide training, directory services and also holds events that pertains to body flying.

It got my interest now due to the association with IBA.

Not, they are'nt any trouble :)

We did'nt hire any bounty managers, and are doing the whole advertising by ourselves, that needs time and is a pretty hard work. Well every beginning is not easy. I mean as long as there is just 1 token sold everybody thinks, there should be something wrong. But as long as everybody think so, no one is buying the tokens. A vicious circle... If you have any advices how we can break through it, tell it! We honestly would be thankful for any of them.  

When you check our whitepaper you will see that everything is definitely right and absolutly honest (!) about this project. We are working already for almost 4 years on that. We brought it to a good level, got the building permit for our facility and were already preesented in a lot of media in Germany.

As the CEO of this project, who knows absolutely every detail about it, I am ready to help anybody to understand what the project is about and offering to call me at my office number: +49 69 348753688.

I'll be glad to speak with you :)
Kind regards
Alexandra Komogorov

Yes, I am the owner of Fly Vison. The information about being under construction is'nt exactly right. We did already soil testings. The IBA schould have interpreted that as the actual construction. In fact it was the preparation work for the construction to checlk the bearing capacity of the soil and the level of the groundwater. Further we wanna prepare everything now so we can start construction as soon as the funds are raised.   

From my point of view I think it is not very attractive and the web site looks like an scam one.
I would work a little more in the front office section.
This kind of cheap look makes your project have a mischievous looking, i am not saying its a scam.

good luck

Well, hard to hear but still many thanks for your feedback, that helps us to get different points of view and to get better!

And thanks for your wishes

Looks like super scam

I agree with some users in here, your website looks a little bit weird, i think that if you invest more in marketing and seo your ico would be succesfull, and try to hire a good designer that knows how to attract people to invest in icos, anyway, maybe your project looks good, but i dont feel attracted, and if i have the opportunity, i would not invest in your project, so this is in what you have to work.

Hi there,
English is quite understandable but you should realize what people pay attention to. And good language is one of the tips which may tell about any company. Still, it's not the point. What benefits will you bring to your investors? You are going to buy back the tokens but when and what price approximately? You offer 40% benefit. Is it a bonus?
And regarding the business. Unfortunately I couldn't find milestones at your website. So what are you planning to do with the investments??

It is understandable, we've tryed to put as many detailed information in our whitepaper, as possible. You will find the table with all important milestones in our whitepaper on the 25-th site.

with kind regards
CTO of Fly Vision

Honestly, I do not understand the benefits of the project, the road map .. Do not rely on the fact that all potential investors will read your White Paper, so it would be more convenient to all the necessary information directly on the site.

This is the king of the scum

Well, we should consider everything with an adequate scepticism, this project is not an exception. Though I don't feel like it is really profitable business. Are there any outside reports on your company?

I don't really understand why you need tokens and how you're going to increase its value. The fact that you've invested 3 years in the project without result doesn't sound convincing.

Just really an obvious thing and now when I do open up the link the site is already dead. Theres already a meesage saying its -CLOSED- and we can say dev or owner did realize that hes being bust up on here which I can somehow say that this is indeed an another scam attempt on making an ICO which theres no sense at all.Site construction do have really  many flaws which signifies it is really a shady stuff after all.

Another needless ICO aimed at making a quick profit and then completely disregarding investors. It's no wonder why countries are moving to place bans or increase regulation on ICOs when they're just being used to manipulate private investors.
All these projects just keep giving Crytpo a bad public image/name and do more harm than good.

Well, i went to the site and its just a "Hello World" presence from wordpress and non of the links work...I would have wanted to read your whitepaper to see what your were offering and what your road map looks like but nothing there

It says "Closed"