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Bitcoin => Bitcoin Discussion => Topic started by: andes on June 25, 2011, 04:56:06 PM



Title: Bitcoin Monitor 45K recurring transaction
Post by: andes on June 25, 2011, 04:56:06 PM
Does someone have a decent hypothesis for a 45k transaction reccurently showing up in BTC monitor in the last 2 hours? Seems the same transaction slowly going down in price :o)

Any ideas / guesses?

https://i.imgur.com/55qoT.png (http://imgur.com/55qoT)


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: DamienBlack on June 25, 2011, 04:58:23 PM
Could the 45k be the money mt gox has for withdrawls, and what you see on the monitor is the "change" being returned.

I don't really know how the whole "change" system works. Seems odd to me. If my hypothesis is right, that is how much btc mt gox has on their online server to pay people. They have more offline and secure.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: andes on June 25, 2011, 04:59:28 PM
Could the 45k be the money mt gox has for withdrawls, and what you see on the monitor is the "change" being returned.

I don't really know how the whole "change" system works. Seems odd to me. If my hypothesis is right, that is how much btc mt gox has on their online server to pay people. They have more offline and secure.
Could be that, because the amount has been going down in time, but with some ups in the middle.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: fitty on June 25, 2011, 05:00:37 PM
Could the 45k be the money mt gox has for withdrawls, and what you see on the monitor is the "change" being returned.

I don't really know how the whole "change" system works. Seems odd to me. If my hypothesis is right, that is how much btc mt gox has on their online server to pay people. They have more offline and secure.

If you were paying out that's probably the way to do it. It appeared when MtGox went live and people started cashing out so it makes sense.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: fitty on June 25, 2011, 05:01:10 PM
Could the 45k be the money mt gox has for withdrawls, and what you see on the monitor is the "change" being returned.

I don't really know how the whole "change" system works. Seems odd to me. If my hypothesis is right, that is how much btc mt gox has on their online server to pay people. They have more offline and secure.
Could be that, because the amount has been going down in time, but with some ups in the middle.

Isn't that just more people cashing out and MtGox sending it?


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: andes on June 25, 2011, 05:02:36 PM
Anyway I find it strange to see many 100+ btc transaccion fees!


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: relative on June 25, 2011, 05:03:22 PM
yesn  it's probably MtGox sending 100 to a customer and (40k - 100) to themselves.
it's not transaction fees.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: DamienBlack on June 25, 2011, 05:04:00 PM
200 btc transaction fees? Are you sure you are reading it right?


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: andes on June 25, 2011, 05:05:02 PM
200 btc transaction fees? Are you sure you are reading it right?
Not sure, its the number in parenthesis (). I thought it were transaction fees, i think I am wrong.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: zef on June 25, 2011, 05:05:34 PM
I dont think those are fees.  It looks like about 5k coins have been withdrawn so far.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions (MtGox 45K Wallet?)
Post by: andes on June 25, 2011, 05:11:43 PM
Bitcoin Monitor shows every transacion in this format:

Transfer of 2200 BTC (1900 BTC + 300 BTC)

I now think it means Total transaction (Change + Payment). Can anyone confirm?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions (MtGox 45K Wallet?)
Post by: relative on June 25, 2011, 05:16:09 PM
payment and change are interchangeable, they are both outputs of the transaction. no one knows which one is which.
but in this case you are most likely right.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions (MtGox 45K Wallet?)
Post by: andes on June 25, 2011, 05:20:56 PM
payment and change are interchangeable, they are both outputs of the transaction. no one knows which one is which.
but in this case you are most likely right.
Thanks, you are right. I cheked up the bitcoin wiki, and it is exactly what you say. Every output must come from a complete input, so if your output is smaller than the past input, you have to make two outputs, one to the recipient, and one to yourself, called change.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: spruce on June 25, 2011, 05:21:48 PM
Could the 45k be the money mt gox has for withdrawls, and what you see on the monitor is the "change" being returned.

I don't really know how the whole "change" system works. Seems odd to me. If my hypothesis is right, that is how much btc mt gox has on their online server to pay people. They have more offline and secure.
Could be that, because the amount has been going down in time, but with some ups in the middle.

Isn't that just more people cashing out and MtGox sending it?

It looks like it. But my MtGox withdrawal a couple of blocks ago came from three smaller accounts, and not this 45k one.



Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: andes on June 25, 2011, 05:23:31 PM
Could the 45k be the money mt gox has for withdrawls, and what you see on the monitor is the "change" being returned.

I don't really know how the whole "change" system works. Seems odd to me. If my hypothesis is right, that is how much btc mt gox has on their online server to pay people. They have more offline and secure.
Could be that, because the amount has been going down in time, but with some ups in the middle.

Isn't that just more people cashing out and MtGox sending it?

It looks like it. But my MtGox withdrawal a couple of blocks ago came from three smaller accounts, and not this 45k one.
Coud it be Tradehills wallet then?


Title: Re: Bitcoin Monitor strange transactions
Post by: andes on June 25, 2011, 05:29:30 PM
Could the 45k be the money mt gox has for withdrawls, and what you see on the monitor is the "change" being returned.

I don't really know how the whole "change" system works. Seems odd to me. If my hypothesis is right, that is how much btc mt gox has on their online server to pay people. They have more offline and secure.
Could be that, because the amount has been going down in time, but with some ups in the middle.

Isn't that just more people cashing out and MtGox sending it?

It looks like it. But my MtGox withdrawal a couple of blocks ago came from three smaller accounts, and not this 45k one.
I think I got it. This has nothing to do with accounts / wallets, but just with transactions (inputs and outputs). So that 45K is simply a big transaction going back and forth probably in MTGox wallet. Of course MTGox addresses have other (smaller) inputs too, which it can use to pay to you or anyone else. What we see in BTC monitor are not wallets or addresses but simply transactions (inputs and outputs).